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Title: Thoughts on the Doctor?
Post by: SQUIRT199 on April 25, 2008, 11:43:37 AM
Any and all theories about 2 doctors in the same timeline??

One has a slit throat and the other is fine on the ship??

Title: Re: Thoughts on the Doctor?
Post by: opgelost on April 25, 2008, 12:06:09 PM
The one on the ship has a healed cut on his face, the dead one has stitches.
Title: Re: Thoughts on the Doctor?
Post by: lostfan777 on April 25, 2008, 12:13:50 PM
My take was this:

Someone slits the Doc's throat and throws him overboard.  He washes up on shore, but since his body didn't follow the right heading it arrives in the past.  In other words, the Doc is alive on board, but someone is going to kill him in the future.  Does this make sense?

As for the cuts, the timeline seems to be reverse, so I can't explain that.  He should have cuts and stitches while alive on the ship that are healed by the time he is killed and washes ashore.  I didn't notice them, but if they are the other way around, I don't have the answer (or even a theory) for that one.
Title: Re: Thoughts on the Doctor?
Post by: jugdish on April 25, 2008, 12:16:15 PM
He is dead and the boat people lied to Daniel
Title: Re: Thoughts on the Doctor?
Post by: Joseph_Kerr on April 25, 2008, 12:46:33 PM
My take was this:

Someone slits the Doc's throat and throws him overboard.  He washes up on shore, but since his body didn't follow the right heading it arrives in the past.  In other words, the Doc is alive on board, but someone is going to kill him in the future.  Does this make sense?


Makes sense to me.
Title: Re: Thoughts on the Doctor?
Post by: Ladybug on April 25, 2008, 12:52:55 PM
He is dead and the boat people lied to Daniel
amen.
Title: Re: Thoughts on the Doctor?
Post by: Shakey on April 25, 2008, 01:03:03 PM
He is dead and the boat people lied to Daniel
This is what I'm thinking, too.  But, I'm curious as to why Daniel then lied to the Losties.  Do you think Daniel believed the lie and decided that the Doctor was from the future (whether it's an hour or a month)?
Title: Re: Thoughts on the Doctor?
Post by: LostinLock on April 25, 2008, 01:43:03 PM
Actually there are three doctors one on the ship, one in the ocean and one with a belly ache ...

Okay here we go again....;)  There is mutiny on the bounty and the wonderful Doc who attended Desmond is now dead.  Though I do find it odd that his body made it to the island from the freighter which is 80 to 90 miles away.

I would have thought we would see the body of patchy sooner than this doc. 

So my thought is again Mutiny on the bounty something has gone wrong on the ship, there aren't two docs running/floating whatever around here. 

Gault is the captain and by my takes another mercenary.  And as aptly put before he is dead, RIP, gone to the big island in the sky.

Let's not drag this dead body around for long....  ;D
Title: Re: Thoughts on the Doctor?
Post by: Suzanne4au2 on April 25, 2008, 01:44:10 PM
He is dead and the boat people lied to Daniel
I have to agree with Juggy
Title: Re: Thoughts on the Doctor?
Post by: JMart on April 25, 2008, 02:00:09 PM
screen shot of the dude on boat compared to the washed up one?






thankssssssssss
Title: Re: Thoughts on the Doctor?
Post by: T Mack on April 25, 2008, 02:10:44 PM
My take was this:

Someone slits the Doc's throat and throws him overboard.  He washes up on shore, but since his body didn't follow the right heading it arrives in the past.  In other words, the Doc is alive on board, but someone is going to kill him in the future.  Does this make sense?
Yes, totally.  I agree.


Title: Re: Thoughts on the Doctor?
Post by: T Mack on April 25, 2008, 02:12:41 PM
He is dead and the boat people lied to Daniel
Easy explanations for eveyrthing on Lost.  Load 'em up in your gun and shoot away.

1.  Everybody is lying. Everything you see on the show that you don't agree with is a character telling a lie.
2.  "The island" did it. The island is responsible for everything you see on the show that you don't understand (or don't want to).
Title: Re: Thoughts on the Doctor?
Post by: Medusa on April 25, 2008, 02:21:44 PM
I think that if Daniel lied about what the morse code message said, why wouldn't he lie about who the body was?  Just because he said it was the doctor doesn't mean he was telling the truth.  Maybe it was one of the mercs and he didn't want the Losties to know there were mercs on the ship.
Title: Re: Thoughts on the Doctor?
Post by: Shakey on April 25, 2008, 02:43:06 PM
I think that if Daniel lied about what the morse code message said, why wouldn't he lie about who the body was?  Just because he said it was the doctor doesn't mean he was telling the truth.  Maybe it was one of the mercs and he didn't want the Losties to know there were mercs on the ship.
We know he was telling the truth because we know what the doctor (Ray) looks like... it's him.
Title: Re: Thoughts on the Doctor?
Post by: RM on April 25, 2008, 03:15:55 PM
Help me sort through this.  In my mind there are now three different time-distortion scenarios between the island and the boat:

1-The probe disappeared from Regina's screen in seconds (while Regina and Daniel's conversation took place in sync).  It's internal timer showed a 2:45 but Daniel's clock showed 3:15 elapsed time.

2-Sayid/Desmond's helicopter trip took 20 minutes on board, but was a day and half to the Islanders (and the people on the boat as well -- they had an in sync conversation asking whether the boat had landed right?)

3-If the morse code response was a lie, that's one thing.  If the response was the truth, then the doctor died in the future and his dead body travelled back in time to arrive at the island ahead of the return morse code message.

In (2), the traveller (helicopter) perceived a normal travel time but was apparently stuck in a slowed-down limbo where time moved faster (in sync) on the island and on the boat.

In (1), the traveller (probe) perceived a travel time that was way longer than what should have taken less than a minute, but the island perceived an extra 30 minutes elapsed time on top of that.

In (3), the perceived elapsed time of the traveller (Doc) is unknown but is apparently a trip backwards in time from when he died (in the future) until he shows up dead on the island (before the morse code messaging).

So now, in transit, you can get caught in a tide that pushes you forward in time but also now a tide that can push you back in time?
Title: Re: Thoughts on the Doctor?
Post by: Shoeless on April 25, 2008, 03:22:46 PM
Could the mercs have dropped the doc's body en route to the island? (not sure where the doc was when they left?)  :-\
Title: Re: Thoughts on the Doctor?
Post by: WhatThe on April 25, 2008, 03:54:42 PM
He is dead and the boat people lied to Daniel

Why would the boat people lie about the doctor being ok if Daniel is telling them that he found the doctor's dead, throat-slit body? (or did Daniel not tell them that he found the body?)
Title: Re: Thoughts on the Doctor?
Post by: JBRam on April 25, 2008, 04:07:35 PM
He is dead and the boat people lied to Daniel
I have to agree with Juggy
I want to agree with Juggy on this. And for now, I do.
Title: Re: Thoughts on the Doctor?
Post by: Shakey on April 25, 2008, 04:09:52 PM
He is dead and the boat people lied to Daniel

Why would the boat people lie about the doctor being ok if Daniel is telling them that he found the doctor's dead, throat-slit body? (or did Daniel not tell them that he found the body?)
I believe he just asked what happened to the doctor.  I don't think he said anything about the body washing up on shore.
Title: Re: Thoughts on the Doctor?
Post by: WhatThe on April 25, 2008, 04:13:49 PM
He is dead and the boat people lied to Daniel

Why would the boat people lie about the doctor being ok if Daniel is telling them that he found the doctor's dead, throat-slit body? (or did Daniel not tell them that he found the body?)
I believe he just asked what happened to the doctor.  I don't think he said anything about the body washing up on shore.

Ah, ok...
Title: Re: Thoughts on the Doctor?
Post by: BobBX542 on April 25, 2008, 04:17:44 PM
Have to agree with Juggy. Plus keep in mind that Bernard knows Morse code, so if Daniel lied about what he said to them, Bernard would have called him out on it. I'm glad that this topic actually came up, because now the losties have an opportunity to start asking questions about everything (in Morse Code) and get some real answers without anyone knowing who is asking.
Title: Re: Thoughts on the Doctor?
Post by: SQUIRT199 on April 25, 2008, 05:00:11 PM
Have to agree with Juggy. Plus keep in mind that Bernard knows Morse code, so if Daniel lied about what he said to them, Bernard would have called him out on it. I'm glad that this topic actually came up, because now the losties have an opportunity to start asking questions about everything (in Morse Code) and get some real answers without anyone knowing who is asking.

I agree,

Bernard was quick to call out daniel on the lie of the return message, as I remember Daniel was saying what he was (morsing?) as he dotted and dashed so if any of those dots or dashes didnt match what he was saying out loud Bernard would have been right on that also.
Title: Re: Thoughts on the Doctor?
Post by: LostAndSeek on April 25, 2008, 08:42:07 PM
Coming late to this. Yeah, it's the real Doc and yeah he's dead. I don't think there's backwards time travel at work here. Interesting thought by Shoeless: if the Doc was with the mercs and they ticked him off....

I don't think we can assume the ship is still 80-90 miles away, so the body drifting ashore might not be as unlikely as it sounds even if he were killed on the boat. But we definitely need to get back to the freighter and find out more.
Title: Re: Thoughts on the Doctor?
Post by: PrincessLeia on April 26, 2008, 04:56:35 PM
The one on the ship has a healed cut on his face, the dead one has stitches.
I'm still looking for a reliable screencap on this, but it reminds me of Candle/ Wickmund/ Hallowax's sometimes prosthetic arm.


Someone slits the Doc's throat and throws him overboard.  He washes up on shore, but since his body didn't follow the right heading it arrives in the past.  In other words, the Doc is alive on board, but someone is going to kill him in the future.  Does this make sense?
It makes sense except that there should have been a delay instead.  They have already shown us that when Regina launched the rocket, it arrived AFTER Daniel thought it should have.


He is dead and the boat people lied to Daniel
& then there's always this idea. ;)
Title: Re: Thoughts on the Doctor?
Post by: Lion of Atreides on April 26, 2008, 07:24:11 PM
Coming late to this. Yeah, it's the real Doc and yeah he's dead. I don't think there's backwards time travel at work here. Interesting thought by Shoeless: if the Doc was with the mercs and they ticked him off....

I don't think we can assume the ship is still 80-90 miles away, so the body drifting ashore might not be as unlikely as it sounds even if he were killed on the boat. But we definitely need to get back to the freighter and find out more.

It's become clear, yes, with the rocket and the apparent 'delay' from the perspective of Jack/Kate on the island of the time it took for the helicopter to reach the freighter, that somehow either the rate of the flow of time lags on the island, or flows at the same rate but is permanently behind that of the world beyond the island's bubble.  This may come into play with how/when the freighter's doc gets killed.  Or, yeah, perhaps the freighter drifted in closer to the island after Michael sabotaged the engines.  Or maybe the wind & currents brought the body in - it would take overly long to go even up to 80miles.

Conclusion: inconclusive, without more data.
Title: Re: Thoughts on the Doctor?
Post by: LostAndSeek on April 26, 2008, 08:27:09 PM
It is very likely, if not confirmed yet, that time is the same on and off the Island with distortion/dilation going to and fro. It can't be that the Island is a fixed time behind the outside world 'cause what would that differece be? The rocket was just a couple of hours late in arriving, but the heli was more than a day late.....
Title: Re: Thoughts on the Doctor?
Post by: Lion of Atreides on April 26, 2008, 08:48:40 PM
Ultimately, I do prefer a time dilation explanation.  Explains why the heli trip might take longer than the much faster rocket.  But we have the added variable of the swan hatch implosion.  Perhaps that has recently changed the island's time situation, either the rate of flow of time island vis-a-vis the real world, or the island's position in time.
Title: Re: Thoughts on the Doctor?
Post by: this is some crazy stuff on April 26, 2008, 09:50:04 PM
Im thinking he went on the chopper and got killed by them.  He is dead and there is only one body of him not two or three.
Title: Re: Thoughts on the Doctor?
Post by: Lion of Atreides on April 26, 2008, 10:03:55 PM
Didn't we see the doctor on the freighter after it was explained to Des/Sayid that Frank was just off on an errand?  It would seem an odd addition to a chopper filled with merc's to include the doctor, who would have no need to be on such a mission.  I think it points to further violence on the boat, where everyone seems to either have gone nuts, or are close to it.
Title: Re: Thoughts on the Doctor?
Post by: this is some crazy stuff on April 26, 2008, 10:05:28 PM
I dont remember when we last saw the doctor, before or after the chopper left.  But if it was before then maybe they need the doctor just in case something happens to Ben.  Remember  they want him alive.
Title: Re: Thoughts on the Doctor?
Post by: Lion of Atreides on April 27, 2008, 12:03:01 AM
If that's the case, then the mercs would've demanded he wear the same camouflage gear, and not the visible civvies he had on when he washed ashore.
Title: Re: Thoughts on the Doctor?
Post by: LouE68 on April 27, 2008, 12:06:32 AM
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o116/LouE247/JiYeon-422doc.jpg)
Ok I found the pic. This is from Ji Yeon.
Clearly you can see a healing wound.

Everyone's theory does make sense IF there was no wound. But clearly there is a wound healded more in the past, then he is found now dead with stitches.
Title: Re: Thoughts on the Doctor?
Post by: lostfan777 on April 27, 2008, 01:50:48 AM
Someone slits the Doc's throat and throws him overboard.  He washes up on shore, but since his body didn't follow the right heading it arrives in the past.  In other words, the Doc is alive on board, but someone is going to kill him in the future.  Does this make sense?
It makes sense except that there should have been a delay instead.  They have already shown us that when Regina launched the rocket, it arrived AFTER Daniel thought it should have.

I was thinking that, depending on your heading, the time distortion might change, regardless of whether you were coming or going.  In other words, you could be off by minutes, hours, or days, etc. as well as being behind or forward in time.

He is dead and the boat people lied to Daniel
& then there's always this idea. ;)

Yeah, there's always that!  They've given us evidence of the time distortion, and I'm sure they know some of us think that's what's going on, but they could just be playing with us.............not enough data yet.............
Title: Re: Thoughts on the Doctor?
Post by: LouE68 on April 27, 2008, 01:57:00 AM
Someone slits the Doc's throat and throws him overboard.  He washes up on shore, but since his body didn't follow the right heading it arrives in the past.  In other words, the Doc is alive on board, but someone is going to kill him in the future.  Does this make sense?
It makes sense except that there should have been a delay instead.  They have already shown us that when Regina launched the rocket, it arrived AFTER Daniel thought it should have.

I was thinking that, depending on your heading, the time distortion might change, regardless of whether you were coming or going.  In other words, you could be off by minutes, hours, or days, etc. as well as being behind or forward in time.
Again that makes sense, if not for the wound...if the time changed and he went back in time, the cheek would be more fresh, and the throat cut would not be there...
He is dead and the boat people lied to Daniel
& then there's always this idea. ;)

Yeah, there's always that!  They've given us evidence of the time distortion, and I'm sure they know some of us think that's what's going on, but they could just be playing with us.............not enough data yet.............
Title: Re: Thoughts on the Doctor?
Post by: this is some crazy stuff on April 27, 2008, 02:07:57 AM
anybody have a picture of what it looked like yesterday
Title: Re: Thoughts on the Doctor?
Post by: lostfan777 on April 27, 2008, 02:12:44 AM
?
anybody have a picture of what it looked like yesterday


I was just going to ask the same thing.  I've gotten confused (gee, how did THAT happen?), did the injury on the doc's face look older or more fresh when he washed up than it did when we last saw him on the boat
Title: Re: Thoughts on the Doctor?
Post by: this is some crazy stuff on April 27, 2008, 02:14:12 AM
I think people are saying more fresh but if you think about it then shouldnt it be more fresh looking after floating in the water and being dead.
Title: Re: Thoughts on the Doctor?
Post by: LouE68 on April 27, 2008, 02:18:39 AM
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o116/LouE247/JiYeon-422doc.jpg)
Ok I found the pic. This is from Ji Yeon.
Clearly you can see a healing wound.

Everyone's theory does make sense IF there was no wound. But clearly there is a wound healded more in the past, then he is found now dead with stitches.
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o116/LouE247/deadDoc.jpg)

Fresh as in The shape of thing to come, he has stitches...in Ji Yeon he does not...you dont have stitches put in later, they are first then removed...it's backwards...
Title: Re: Thoughts on the Doctor?
Post by: lostfan777 on April 27, 2008, 02:27:31 AM
Okay then, I'm officially going to climb up on the party fence, grab a beer, and watch how this one plays out!
Title: Re: Thoughts on the Doctor?
Post by: PrincessLeia on April 27, 2008, 02:28:06 AM
Being in water doesn't make you grow stitches, huh. :-\


Wow....this one's really throwing me for a loop.
Title: Re: Thoughts on the Doctor?
Post by: this is some crazy stuff on April 27, 2008, 02:36:29 AM
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm  this is becoming one of those that the writers have something fishy up there sleeve and it wont make sense to us for another 2 years or so.
Title: Re: Thoughts on the Doctor?
Post by: LouE68 on April 27, 2008, 02:38:55 AM
I'm sayin!!!! LOL
Title: Re: Thoughts on the Doctor?
Post by: jphimself on April 27, 2008, 03:59:08 AM
To complicate matters further, here is a screen cap of the Doctor from "The Constant", at the point of Des and Sayid's first arrival on the freighter.  He has no cut on his left cheek.  Clearly some violence involving him occurred between the time of "The Constant" and "Ji Yeon".

(http://gallery.lost-media.com/albums/ep-caps/season4/4x05/constant147.jpg)
Title: Re: Thoughts on the Doctor?
Post by: LostAndSeek on April 27, 2008, 02:03:19 PM
I agree we need to wait for more evidence. My $.02:

Yes, it could be some kind of time travel, but I'm betting the boaties are lyin' again. Could be the doc got in a scuffle with somebody who caught Reginitis and reopened the wound.....
Title: Re: Thoughts on the Doctor?
Post by: Optimus J on April 27, 2008, 03:42:36 PM
Could be the doc got in a scuffle with somebody who caught Reginitis and reopened the wound.....
Same thought about the stitches as mine.
And we don't know who is answering Dan, too... As far as we know can even be Sayid and Des lies, to protect the beach people.
Title: Re: Thoughts on the Doctor?
Post by: Lion of Atreides on April 27, 2008, 04:01:39 PM
My 2 cents:

The Constant: No wound
Ji Yeon: Inflamed, fresh wound, with several small stitches visible
The Shape of Things to Come: Older wound, with stitches very visible, yet fewer in number than in Ji Yeon

I don't think this is evidence of time travel.  More likely, since they filmed these episodes at different times, the makeup artists didn't replicate his earlier size/number of stitches exactly. I.e., a prop error.  Another possibility is that, being in the water for many hours, dead, and decomposing, the wound's appearance was affected.  Perhaps the stitches were stretched as the skin deformed around the wound differently than the uninjured skin on his face.  Maybe those little fishes that eat dead skin were nibbling like mad at the skin around the wound, prior to him washing ashore, making the stitches more visible again.  So many simpler explanations than time travel.

Title: Re: Thoughts on the Doctor?
Post by: KateReallyLovesJack on April 27, 2008, 04:45:21 PM
I want to think that it's just the boaties lying but there's a couple of sticky points that I can't get past...

Farraday wouldn't send a message to the boat, asking what happened to the doctor, unless he had a reason too.

The people on the boat don't realize that the doctor's body has washed onto shore but they do have Farraday asking about him - they don't know the reason Farraday is asking about the doctor, but he IS asking...

So why would the people on the boat lie sooo blatantly? They get clued into the fact that something has happened on the island to worry people about the doctor, but that's all they know.

IF the doctor on board is dead, then they know that Farraday must have a reason to ask about him, so why make such a blatant lie as - what are you talking about, the doctor's ok?

Title: Re: Thoughts on the Doctor?
Post by: scotfan13 on April 27, 2008, 04:46:18 PM
The way Daniel answered the question: "When is the last time you saw him alive?" It makes me believe timing on/off the island will be key to the doctor.

He said something in the lines of when doesn't really matter. Daniel knows and just isn't telling us.

I'm on the side that he is killed in a later episode, and because of the time difference washes up ashore before.
Title: Re: Thoughts on the Doctor?
Post by: opgelost on April 27, 2008, 05:09:58 PM
Or he travelled in time like Desmond did, not to a time as far away as 1996 but to a week or two before december 2004.
December 2004, there is no cut in his face.
He flashes 2 weeks back, something causes his cut.
He flashes to december 2004, the cut is healing.
He flashes 2 weeks back, the wound is stitched.
He flashes to december 2004, Daniel asks how the doctor is, he is fine.
He flashes 2 weeks back, has no constant and dies and they throw him in the sea.
The losties find him, he is dead for two weeks, but on the freighter still alive.

Too complicated. That's why I don't like time travel.
I still cannot understand how Eloise learned the maze if she was dead by the time she had to learn it.
Title: Re: Thoughts on the Doctor?
Post by: Lion of Atreides on April 27, 2008, 06:15:07 PM
The way Daniel answered the question: "When is the last time you saw him alive?" It makes me believe timing on/off the island will be key to the doctor.

He said something in the lines of when doesn't really matter. Daniel knows and just isn't telling us.

I'm on the side that he is killed in a later episode, and because of the time difference washes up ashore before.

Welcome to the boards, Scot!

My overall view of the doctor and his role is that he's just a bit part that soon got killed.  Why would TPTB invest him with a convoluted time travel arc, which would only detract from dealing with the main characters & other important answers to be dealt with in the compressed remainder of this season?  There's gonna be a simple explanation having to do with the time dilation effect of him slowly floating through the bubble surrounding the island, like we've seen with the rocket and the helicopter, and/or the freighter people lying.  Remember, the people on the freighter've shown their distrust with Daniel before whenever he's using the sat phone, as he's prone to saying more than he should.  Why, he even admits to Jack that no, they're not going to get rescued; Charlotte would not have abandoned the cover story so readily if she'd been asked point blank like that.
Title: Re: Thoughts on the Doctor?
Post by: LouE68 on April 27, 2008, 08:10:36 PM
I still think it has to do with the Orchid experiments and the two bunnies....even though the Doc wasn't at the Orchid as far as we know...it is possible they are replicating experiments...but this is all speculation...but if it is true...you heard it here first!!! You can all thank me and bow down to me later...;D
Title: Re: Thoughts on the Doctor?
Post by: Lion of Atreides on April 27, 2008, 08:18:01 PM
I think there's more likelihood of the human race oneday having to bow down to our insect overlords!
Title: Re: Thoughts on the Doctor?
Post by: jugdish on April 27, 2008, 08:21:38 PM
After furthor investigation I am going to have to start joing the camp that the Doc may still me alive on the boat. Don't like it and don't understand it. Saw a film clip interview on ew.com and they were hinting at this. Told us to listen carfully to what Daniel said. To me it would be a paradox that they say they are avoiding. How can you be dead and alive at the same time??
Title: Re: Thoughts on the Doctor?
Post by: PrincessLeia on April 27, 2008, 08:23:23 PM
After furthor investigation I am going to have to start joing the camp that the Doc may still me alive on the boat. Don't like it and don't understand it. Saw a film clip interview on ew.com and they were hinting at this. Told us to listen carfully to what Daniel said. To me it would be a paradox that they say they are avoiding. How can you be dead and alive at the same time??
Like.....Charlie?  & Christian?   ???
Title: Re: Thoughts on the Doctor?
Post by: LouE68 on April 27, 2008, 08:30:35 PM
After furthor investigation I am going to have to start joing the camp that the Doc may still me alive on the boat. Don't like it and don't understand it. Saw a film clip interview on ew.com and they were hinting at this. Told us to listen carfully to what Daniel said. To me it would be a paradox that they say they are avoiding. How can you be dead and alive at the same time??
Like.....Charlie?  & Christian?   ???
No no no....LOL

But to make it the simplest more explainable would be that surgery happened again on the wound...but this is Lost...not General Hospital. Aaaaaaaaand, TPTB did say awhile back the Orchid video would play into things more now....or something to that affect....
Title: Re: Thoughts on the Doctor?
Post by: jugdish on April 27, 2008, 08:35:22 PM
After furthor investigation I am going to have to start joing the camp that the Doc may still me alive on the boat. Don't like it and don't understand it. Saw a film clip interview on ew.com and they were hinting at this. Told us to listen carfully to what Daniel said. To me it would be a paradox that they say they are avoiding. How can you be dead and alive at the same time??
Like.....Charlie?  & Christian?   ???

THey are different because they were dead already and have been seen in "vision". To me they are claiming that the doc has not been killed but we are seeing him already dead. It appears backwards to me.
Title: Re: Thoughts on the Doctor?
Post by: KateReallyLovesJack on April 27, 2008, 08:53:10 PM
I still think it has to do with the Orchid experiments and the two bunnies....even though the Doc wasn't at the Orchid as far as we know...it is possible they are replicating experiments...but this is all speculation...but if it is true...you heard it here first!!! You can all thank me and bow down to me later...;D

But where could they be replicating the experiments? Unless the doctor has been off the boat, to the island, replicated and then back to the freighter... I dunno, where else would they be doing it?
Title: Re: Thoughts on the Doctor?
Post by: LouE68 on April 27, 2008, 08:59:09 PM
I still think it has to do with the Orchid experiments and the two bunnies....even though the Doc wasn't at the Orchid as far as we know...it is possible they are replicating experiments...but this is all speculation...but if it is true...you heard it here first!!! You can all thank me and bow down to me later...;D

But where could they be replicating the experiments? Unless the doctor has been off the boat, to the island, replicated and then back to the freighter... I dunno, where else would they be doing it?
It's just speculation...I don't have ALL the answers...lol...I'm befogged...
Title: Re: Thoughts on the Doctor?
Post by: Lion of Atreides on April 27, 2008, 09:40:21 PM
After furthor investigation I am going to have to start joing the camp that the Doc may still me alive on the boat. Don't like it and don't understand it. Saw a film clip interview on ew.com and they were hinting at this. Told us to listen carfully to what Daniel said. To me it would be a paradox that they say they are avoiding. How can you be dead and alive at the same time??

How about this:
  Conveyance          Speed         Time to cross Island's Bubble
  -----------       -----------       ---------------------------
  Rocket            few 100s mph     30+ minutes (Daniel's experiment)
  Helicopter               60  mph      half a day (Sayid)
  Drifting body             10 mph     72 hrs

The logic, however, does not support a scenario in which the doctor washes up on shore while still living. Just the opposite, that he shouldn't wash up for at least three days after getting dumped overboard.
Title: Re: Thoughts on the Doctor?
Post by: jugdish on April 28, 2008, 10:43:40 AM
After furthor investigation I am going to have to start joing the camp that the Doc may still me alive on the boat. Don't like it and don't understand it. Saw a film clip interview on ew.com and they were hinting at this. Told us to listen carfully to what Daniel said. To me it would be a paradox that they say they are avoiding. How can you be dead and alive at the same time??

How about this:
  Conveyance          Speed         Time to cross Island's Bubble
  -----------       -----------       ---------------------------
  Rocket            few 100s mph     30+ minutes (Daniel's experiment)
  Helicopter               60  mph      half a day (Sayid)
  Drifting body             10 mph     72 hrs

The logic, however, does not support a scenario in which the doctor washes up on shore while still living. Just the opposite, that he shouldn't wash up for at least three days after getting dumped overboard.

Right, again someone said what I wanted to say in a better way!!

I lacks total logic even for a tv show like LOST.
Title: Re: Thoughts on the Doctor?
Post by: DIZZYBECKSTER on April 28, 2008, 10:57:14 AM
After furthor investigation I am going to have to start joing the camp that the Doc may still me alive on the boat. Don't like it and don't understand it. Saw a film clip interview on ew.com and they were hinting at this. Told us to listen carfully to what Daniel said. To me it would be a paradox that they say they are avoiding. How can you be dead and alive at the same time??

How about this:
  Conveyance          Speed         Time to cross Island's Bubble
  -----------       -----------       ---------------------------
  Rocket            few 100s mph     30+ minutes (Daniel's experiment)
  Helicopter               60  mph      half a day (Sayid)
  Drifting body             10 mph     72 hrs

The logic, however, does not support a scenario in which the doctor washes up on shore while still living. Just the opposite, that he shouldn't wash up for at least three days after getting dumped overboard.

Right, again someone said what I wanted to say in a better way!!

I lacks total logic even for a tv show like LOST.

OK then can you tell me what speed the morse code message takes to get from island the boat and back again coz it sure looked pretty instant to me... why didnt they think of that before?
Title: Re: Thoughts on the Doctor?
Post by: BobBX542 on April 28, 2008, 11:13:16 AM
It might be a much broader explanation than specific time intervals. Remember when Daniel said, "You can't change the future"?? Well, perhaps, because the island time is so distorted, the Doctor is suppossed to be dead at this point, but because Des and Sayid went to the boat, something changed in what was happening on the frieghter, and although the doctor is alive on the boat, once the two time lines converge, the Doctor will just be dead. Makes about as much sense as anything else I've read so far.
HA!!
Title: Re: Thoughts on the Doctor?
Post by: jphimself on April 28, 2008, 11:43:00 AM
It might be a much broader explanation than specific time intervals. Remember when Daniel said, "You can't change the future"?? Well, perhaps, because the island time is so distorted, the Doctor is suppossed to be dead at this point, but because Des and Sayid went to the boat, something changed in what was happening on the frieghter, and although the doctor is alive on the boat, once the two time lines converge, the Doctor will just be dead. Makes about as much sense as anything else I've read so far.
HA!!

Yes, yes, yes.  I think Bob has got it nailed.  It is the only answer based on the current speculations of physicists and the statements of Faraday and Mrs. Hawking (Hawking for God's sake) that can explain this apparent conundrum.  To try to explain it as errors of movie making continuity is to deny the whole history of this show, in which specifics matter.  It is especially unbelievable that such a mistake would occur on an actor's face.  Makeup is the central thing on the screen and routinely the thing most photographed at the end of each scene to assure matches with future scenes.
Title: Re: Thoughts on the Doctor?
Post by: tonysee200x on April 28, 2008, 12:36:07 PM
I wonder if there were get any clues on this in the Morse code? Has anyone seen a translation of the morse code anyplace?
Title: Re: Thoughts on the Doctor?
Post by: Mrs Hume on April 28, 2008, 01:18:10 PM
What bothers me more is how did the doc get through this "bubble" around the island, If Des couldn't get through it on his sail boat because he didn't have the correct coordinates ?

Also, I remember hearing Something about depending on how fast you go through it "the bubble"  effects you in different ways and changes the time frame.
Title: Re: Thoughts on the Doctor?
Post by: PrincessLeia on April 28, 2008, 01:38:12 PM
What bothers me more is how did the doc get through this "bubble" around the island, If Des couldn't get through it on his sail boat because he didn't have the correct coordinates ?

Also, I remember hearing Something about depending on how fast you go through it "the bubble"  effects you in different ways and changes the time frame.
People/ objects can be (involuntarily) drawn through the "bubble."  Think Elizabeth, the beechcraft, even 815.

I wonder if there were get any clues on this in the Morse code? Has anyone seen a translation of the morse code anyplace?

Bernard didn't call Daniel on what he sent, so I assume it would be the following:

Dan- "What happened to the doctor?"
reply- "What are you talking about? The doctor is fine."

   


Title: Re: Thoughts on the Doctor?
Post by: Lost-N-Detroit on April 28, 2008, 01:39:08 PM
The OTHERS buried their dead so that this wouldn't happen. The Doc's body is a replication from an experiment just as bunnies 15.
Patchy never dies because this happened to him also.  ;D  That's just weird man.......
Title: Re: Thoughts on the Doctor?
Post by: jugdish on April 28, 2008, 02:47:46 PM
BObx- good explanation, best I have heard so far. I even sort of understand the thinking in it.

Patchy is dead.
Title: Re: Thoughts on the Doctor?
Post by: Lion of Atreides on April 28, 2008, 10:13:23 PM
The reason Morse code/the sat. signal aren't noticeably delayed is because they travel at the speed of light, so the distortion of the bubble is negligible compared to the subsonic rocket and the even slower chopper.

However, I think we have been assuming that the bubble around the island is uniform, smooth & constant. That may be incorrect.  What if the bubble, except on that bearing of 325, shimmers back & forth like the aurora borealis/australis, creates little eddies, reverses polarity, or whatever metaphor strikes you as viable?  Perhaps the Doctor gets killed three days hence, but his floating corpse gets caught in a time distortion eddy, which, as Daniel keeps mumbling, has something to do with our/The Losties' (mis-)perception of time.  The fact that his corpse washes onto shore before it 'should' doesn't truly harm/change the timeline, for a bloated corpse can't create a Grandfather Paradox, for example. 

We're gonna need such illogical hoops if they claim that the doctor was truly alive when Daniel beeped in.  Ergo, I hope it's just a case of the Freighties lying!
Title: Re: Thoughts on the Doctor?
Post by: LostinLock on April 28, 2008, 10:26:30 PM
We will allow for the creative freedom
I am not sure I care for this direction, but it does pose a different look at the entire situation
Title: Re: Thoughts on the Doctor?
Post by: BobBX542 on April 29, 2008, 09:30:52 AM
I think the simplest explanation is still the best. I believe that Juggy said it first, but maybe the freighters are lying. The only thing that seems weird to me about it is that they instantly tried to cover it up and say he was fine instead of asking something along the lines of "How do you know something happened to the doctor?". I think this one is going to just have to play out. I hope they don't do what they did with the 4 toed statue though and don't mention it for a while.
Title: Re: Thoughts on the Doctor?
Post by: DIZZYBECKSTER on April 30, 2008, 07:08:17 AM
i insist everyone removes their socks now for a island wide toe count....!!
Title: Re: Thoughts on the Doctor?
Post by: T Mack on April 30, 2008, 03:28:22 PM
I think the simplest explanation is still the best. I believe that Juggy said it first, but maybe the freighters are lying.
  That would be a cheap cop-out by the writers and totally be counterintuitive to showing him dead and having the freighties say he's alive in the first place.  What would be the payoff here, that they lied?  How big of a revelation is that?

The reasons for showing us these things is to give us the hints that something weird is happening, and then pay that off in a big reveal later in another episdoe.
Title: Re: Thoughts on the Doctor?
Post by: PrincessLeia on April 30, 2008, 04:14:17 PM
I think the simplest explanation is still the best. I believe that Juggy said it first, but maybe the freighters are lying.
  That would be a cheap cop-out by the writers and totally be counterintuitive to showing him dead and having the freighties say he's alive in the first place.  What would be the payoff here, that they lied?  How big of a revelation is that?

The reasons for showing us these things is to give us the hints that something weird is happening, and then pay that off in a big reveal later in another episdoe.
I agree, especially with lines like Dan's "'When' is kind of a relative term."
Title: Re: Thoughts on the Doctor?
Post by: BobBX542 on April 30, 2008, 04:56:18 PM
I think the simplest explanation is still the best. I believe that Juggy said it first, but maybe the freighters are lying.
  That would be a cheap cop-out by the writers and totally be counterintuitive to showing him dead and having the freighties say he's alive in the first place.  What would be the payoff here, that they lied?  How big of a revelation is that?

The reasons for showing us these things is to give us the hints that something weird is happening, and then pay that off in a big reveal later in another episdoe.

I do agree with you on that, but another aspect of the show is the deceptive nature of people, so for them to lie about him being dead may actually have a much bigger pay off then we think. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that is actually what happened, but it is deffinitely a possibility.
Title: Re: Thoughts on the Doctor?
Post by: Lost-N-Detroit on April 30, 2008, 05:13:57 PM
Agree on the morse code being sent at "speed of light", compared to the choper or boat coming through the 'dome". I also see the dome as not being perfectly smooth, but to have a "wrinkle" of sorts or not uniformed.
Do we know exactly when the last time was when we saw the doc? This is a question to his body washing up on shore. If the beleif now is that you can leap forward or backward in time will someone be going back in time to save some of our 815ers. Maybe saving Charlie? I do see where the doc could be alive and dead at the same time, similar to seeing wabbit 15 twice.
Another thought, didn't they try to get the two wabbit 15s away from one another thinking something bad would happen?
Did doc1 meet doc2 and have a throat cutting party?
Title: Re: Thoughts on the Doctor?
Post by: Ladybug on April 30, 2008, 05:21:34 PM
The reason Morse code/the sat. signal aren't noticeably delayed is because they travel at the speed of light, so the distortion of the bubble is negligible compared to the subsonic rocket and the even slower chopper.

actually it's the speed of sound, which is much slower than the speed of light
Title: Re: Thoughts on the Doctor?
Post by: PrincessLeia on April 30, 2008, 07:06:56 PM
Thought du jour on the doctor- Jack makes it onto the freighter to have the appendectomy by the very doctor that had washed up on the shore the day before.
Title: Re: Thoughts on the Doctor?
Post by: LostinLock on April 30, 2008, 07:17:03 PM
Thought du jour on the doctor- Jack makes it onto the freighter to have the appendectomy by the very doctor that had washed up on the shore the day before.

That would be funny.... but I think the freighters are also lying.  Or maybe they don't know the doc is gone.  Or maybe they have been told to keep their mouths shut.    Remember if we can believe Miles, he was told that Keamy and his entourage were there as security.  So Keamy and his band of mercenaries wouldn't tell the truth if their lives depended on it.  Other than killing Alex. 

So, perhaps that is what is going on or....how about there is another boat in the area carrying Penny and she had a doctor on the boat and he is fine?  Okay I had to step out of the comfort zone.
Title: Re: Thoughts on the Doctor?
Post by: LouE68 on April 30, 2008, 08:15:13 PM
After furthor investigation I am going to have to start joing the camp that the Doc may still me alive on the boat. Don't like it and don't understand it. Saw a film clip interview on ew.com and they were hinting at this. Told us to listen carfully to what Daniel said. To me it would be a paradox that they say they are avoiding. How can you be dead and alive at the same time??

How about this:
  Conveyance          Speed         Time to cross Island's Bubble
  -----------       -----------       ---------------------------
  Rocket            few 100s mph     30+ minutes (Daniel's experiment)
  Helicopter               60  mph      half a day (Sayid)
  Drifting body             10 mph     72 hrs

The logic, however, does not support a scenario in which the doctor washes up on shore while still living. Just the opposite, that he shouldn't wash up for at least three days after getting dumped overboard.
When does logic have anything to do with anything on Lost....lol
Title: Re: Thoughts on the Doctor?
Post by: LostinLock on April 30, 2008, 08:34:02 PM
After furthor investigation I am going to have to start joing the camp that the Doc may still me alive on the boat. Don't like it and don't understand it. Saw a film clip interview on ew.com and they were hinting at this. Told us to listen carfully to what Daniel said. To me it would be a paradox that they say they are avoiding. How can you be dead and alive at the same time??

How about this:
  Conveyance          Speed         Time to cross Island's Bubble
  -----------       -----------       ---------------------------
  Rocket            few 100s mph     30+ minutes (Daniel's experiment)
  Helicopter               60  mph      half a day (Sayid)
  Drifting body             10 mph     72 hrs

The logic, however, does not support a scenario in which the doctor washes up on shore while still living. Just the opposite, that he shouldn't wash up for at least three days after getting dumped overboard.
When does logic have anything to do with anything on Lost....lol

I don't think the Doctor was suppose to wash up on that side of the island, according to my calculations, he was moving 11.4 mph and with the current and the winds on the day he was pushed over he should have hit fiji in a week.

Sorry not trying to be fresh, but ........CowboyUp I have to LOL too ;D
Title: Re: Thoughts on the Doctor?
Post by: Lion of Atreides on April 30, 2008, 08:46:55 PM
The reason Morse code/the sat. signal aren't noticeably delayed is because they travel at the speed of light, so the distortion of the bubble is negligible compared to the subsonic rocket and the even slower chopper.

actually it's the speed of sound, which is much slower than the speed of light

Actually, the sat phone uses electromagnetic signals, not sound, to communicate.  Ergo, the speed of light. Whether these phone are ship-to-shore, or are routed through a satellite in orbit, is a whole 'nother matter that would confuse the distance portion of any calculations.  And who knows if the island is protected by an unbroken dome of electromagnetism, or a curtain offshore that only reaches up to a certain point in the atmosphere, with perhaps gaps in this curtain (i.e. at 325 degrees).  FURTHER, how does the signal 'punch' its way through the bubble? If the freighter is outside the bubble, within its folds, or inside it, how does that affect communication?
Title: Re: Thoughts on the Doctor?
Post by: Lion of Atreides on April 30, 2008, 08:47:45 PM
Thought du jour on the doctor- Jack makes it onto the freighter to have the appendectomy by the very doctor that had washed up on the shore the day before.

I prefer having Juliet rip it out with her teeth, then Kate wrestles her for it.
Title: Re: Thoughts on the Doctor?
Post by: Lion of Atreides on April 30, 2008, 08:48:33 PM
When does logic have anything to do with anything on Lost....lol

I'm ever hopeful.
Title: Re: Thoughts on the Doctor?
Post by: LouE68 on April 30, 2008, 08:50:18 PM
After furthor investigation I am going to have to start joing the camp that the Doc may still me alive on the boat. Don't like it and don't understand it. Saw a film clip interview on ew.com and they were hinting at this. Told us to listen carfully to what Daniel said. To me it would be a paradox that they say they are avoiding. How can you be dead and alive at the same time??

How about this:
  Conveyance          Speed         Time to cross Island's Bubble
  -----------       -----------       ---------------------------
  Rocket            few 100s mph     30+ minutes (Daniel's experiment)
  Helicopter               60  mph      half a day (Sayid)
  Drifting body             10 mph     72 hrs

The logic, however, does not support a scenario in which the doctor washes up on shore while still living. Just the opposite, that he shouldn't wash up for at least three days after getting dumped overboard.
When does logic have anything to do with anything on Lost....lol

I don't think the Doctor was suppose to wash up on that side of the island, according to my calculations, he was moving 11.4 mph and with the current and the winds on the day he was pushed over he should have hit fiji in a week.

Sorry not trying to be fresh, but ........CowboyUp I have to LOL too ;D
You do calculations and dont have an accurate distance of the freighter, size of the island(map of the island for that matter) and current flow charts...sounds fresh to me ;D
Title: Re: Thoughts on the Doctor?
Post by: LouE68 on April 30, 2008, 08:52:29 PM
Thought du jour on the doctor- Jack makes it onto the freighter to have the appendectomy by the very doctor that had washed up on the shore the day before.

I prefer having Juliet rip it out with her teeth, then Kate wrestles her for it.
That scene would be priceless...showing Jack laying there in pain...just hearing Juliets voice...then pan up and her mouth is covered in blood, with his appendix in hand...oh, I scared myself...lol...
Title: Re: Thoughts on the Doctor?
Post by: Lion of Atreides on April 30, 2008, 08:55:57 PM
I don't think the Doctor was suppose to wash up on that side of the island, according to my calculations, he was moving 11.4 mph and with the current and the winds on the day he was pushed over he should have hit fiji in a week.

Sorry not trying to be fresh, but ........CowboyUp I have to LOL too ;D

Do we even know which side of the island the Losties' beach is on? I can't recall anything definitively verifying this.  As for the currents, from the following map...

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/cc/Ocean_surface_currents.jpg

...drawing a line from Sydney towards L.A., the island is someplace south of the South Equatorial current, where it peels off and heads south then east around the S. Pacific gyre.  Since we don't know exactly where in this patch of ocean Seth crashed the plane (the tool), the prevailing current could be from the east, the north, or the west.  Throw in season changes, which I'm no expert on, and we have another muddle.
Title: Re: Thoughts on the Doctor?
Post by: PrincessLeia on April 30, 2008, 09:01:07 PM
Thought du jour on the doctor- Jack makes it onto the freighter to have the appendectomy by the very doctor that had washed up on the shore the day before.

I prefer having Juliet rip it out with her teeth, then Kate wrestles her for it.
Killjoy. ;)  I was saving that one for tomorrow. :P
Title: Re: Thoughts on the Doctor?
Post by: LouE68 on April 30, 2008, 09:02:07 PM
Thought du jour on the doctor- Jack makes it onto the freighter to have the appendectomy by the very doctor that had washed up on the shore the day before.

I prefer having Juliet rip it out with her teeth, then Kate wrestles her for it.
Killjoy. ;)  I was saving that one for tomorrow. :P
for the other thread??? crackpot theories? LOL
Title: Re: Thoughts on the Doctor?
Post by: PrincessLeia on April 30, 2008, 09:05:07 PM
Thought du jour on the doctor- Jack makes it onto the freighter to have the appendectomy by the very doctor that had washed up on the shore the day before.

I prefer having Juliet rip it out with her teeth, then Kate wrestles her for it.
Killjoy. ;)  I was saving that one for tomorrow. :P
for the other thread??? crackpot theories? LOL
I hate sitting on that uncomfortable fence.  You know....throw enough stuff @ the wall...something's bound to stick? ;D
Title: Re: Thoughts on the Doctor?
Post by: Lion of Atreides on April 30, 2008, 09:06:03 PM
You do calculations and dont have an accurate distance of the freighter, size of the island(map of the island for that matter) and current flow charts...sounds fresh to me ;D

I'll agree with you totally as far as a body floating on the wavy blue seas goes.  Likely more complicated than an oceanographer telling Lenny on L&O where the body was dumped on the East River and when.  The rocket, tho, isn't dependent upon currents, n-s-e-w headings, etc., but flies from pt A to pt B. Maybe. In a world without a protective electromagnetic bubble.  The Economist seemed to provide enough data (speed, time) to calculate distance, I think somewhere around 40 miles if I recall correctly, from where the rocket nearly hit the chopper.  But now the freighter is reportedly 85-90 miles offshore.  Then again, it's been a couple/few/several days, and the freighter is without engines, drifting.   So, who the frac knows where that damnable freighter is, or whether we might someday be able to purchase a LOST Physics 101 textbook.
Title: Re: Thoughts on the Doctor?
Post by: LouE68 on April 30, 2008, 09:15:36 PM
You do calculations and dont have an accurate distance of the freighter, size of the island(map of the island for that matter) and current flow charts...sounds fresh to me ;D

I'll agree with you totally as far as a body floating on the wavy blue seas goes.  Likely more complicated than an oceanographer telling Lenny on L&O where the body was dumped on the East River and when.  The rocket, tho, isn't dependent upon currents, n-s-e-w headings, etc., but flies from pt A to pt B. Maybe. In a world without a protective electromagnetic bubble.  The Economist seemed to provide enough data (speed, time) to calculate distance, I think somewhere around 40 miles if I recall correctly, from where the rocket nearly hit the chopper.  But now the freighter is reportedly 85-90 miles offshore.  Then again, it's been a couple/few/several days, and the freighter is without engines, drifting.   So, who the frac knows where that damnable freighter is, or whether we might someday be able to purchase a LOST Physics 101 textbook.
....and when you purchase that book, you just crossed over...into...the Twighlight Zone...dun dun daaaa dun dun dun da.....
Title: Re: Thoughts on the Doctor?
Post by: Lion of Atreides on April 30, 2008, 09:43:31 PM
More like, I get a nifty new pocket protector.
Title: Re: Thoughts on the Doctor?
Post by: LostinLock on April 30, 2008, 09:53:37 PM
Ummmm I didn't know that I had to show all my calculations on paper. I do it in my head.  My teacher asked me the same thing, but I always had the right answer. :-[
Title: Re: Thoughts on the Doctor?
Post by: LouE68 on April 30, 2008, 09:56:30 PM
Ummmm I didn't know that I had to show all my calculations on paper. I do it in my head.  My teacher asked me the same thing, but I always had the right answer. :-[
LOL, I don't doubt your calculations...its where you got your variables...lol
Title: Re: Thoughts on the Doctor?
Post by: T Mack on May 01, 2008, 02:11:58 PM
I think the simplest explanation is still the best. I believe that Juggy said it first, but maybe the freighters are lying.
  That would be a cheap cop-out by the writers and totally be counterintuitive to showing him dead and having the freighties say he's alive in the first place.  What would be the payoff here, that they lied?  How big of a revelation is that?

The reasons for showing us these things is to give us the hints that something weird is happening, and then pay that off in a big reveal later in another episdoe.

I do agree with you on that, but another aspect of the show is the deceptive nature of people, so for them to lie about him being dead may actually have a much bigger pay off then we think. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that is actually what happened, but it is deffinitely a possibility.
Certainly is a possibility, but I maintain that the reveal would have to be a big one, and then still it would have to be relative to the Doc "dying" in the first place.  There has to be a good reason that they would be lying, not just because they are dishonest or bad people, but because it has some relevance to the 'time being relative' aspect of what Daniel was hinting at that made the scene so mind blowing to begin with.
Title: Re: Thoughts on the Doctor?
Post by: BobBX542 on May 01, 2008, 04:09:58 PM
Thought du jour on the doctor- Jack makes it onto the freighter to have the appendectomy by the very doctor that had washed up on the shore the day before.

I prefer having Juliet rip it out with her teeth, then Kate wrestles her for it.

Christ!! where'd you go psycho??
Title: Re: Thoughts on the Doctor?
Post by: solost on May 01, 2008, 04:44:58 PM
I didn't read this entire post but it looks to me like old doc Ray has not been in the water much more then a day. His skin is still in good shape and the tissue in the wound is still pink. But what the hell do I know......I'm SOLOST!!!!
Title: Re: Thoughts on the Doctor?
Post by: PrincessLeia on May 02, 2008, 03:49:33 AM
Thought du jour on the doctor- Jack makes it onto the freighter to have the appendectomy by the very doctor that had washed up on the shore the day before.

I prefer having Juliet rip it out with her teeth, then Kate wrestles her for it.

Christ!! where'd you go psycho??
They're making fun of ME going all psycho.   ::) :P :D
Title: Re: Thoughts on the Doctor?
Post by: BobBX542 on May 02, 2008, 09:35:34 AM
Thought du jour on the doctor- Jack makes it onto the freighter to have the appendectomy by the very doctor that had washed up on the shore the day before.

I prefer having Juliet rip it out with her teeth, then Kate wrestles her for it.

Christ!! where'd you go psycho??
They're making fun of ME going all psycho.   ::) :P :D

At this point, not anymore.
Title: Re: Thoughts on the Doctor?
Post by: PrincessLeia on May 02, 2008, 10:33:42 PM
Thought du jour on the doctor- Jack makes it onto the freighter to have the appendectomy by the very doctor that had washed up on the shore the day before.

I prefer having Juliet rip it out with her teeth, then Kate wrestles her for it.

Christ!! where'd you go psycho??
They're making fun of ME going all psycho.   ::) :P :D

At this point, not anymore.
I usually start grasping @ straws on Wednesday afternoons, jonesing for a new show to discuss!
Title: Re: Thoughts on the Doctor?
Post by: newyorktower on May 05, 2008, 08:49:01 AM
I'm going with the theory that the freighter folk are lying because if they said he was dead, there's a whole new heap of questions needed to be asked.  How about the mercs just brought him with them on the whirlybird, he got on their nerves and they slit his throat and tossed him off, nearer the island.  80 miles and a body could have gone in any direction.  Time travel stuff hurts my brain.  Too many Back to the Future stuff is happening.
Title: Re: Thoughts on the Doctor?
Post by: LostAndSeek on May 05, 2008, 03:06:17 PM
Welcome, New York! I'm with you.