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Title: So Aaron IS one of the Oceanic Six
Post by: jumbotron on March 13, 2008, 11:28:38 PM
If Jin's gravestone says that he died on Sept. 22, 2004 then that must mean he's still on the Island and that Aaron is one of the six afterall.
Title: Re: So Aaron IS one of the Oceanic Six
Post by: Fenster on March 13, 2008, 11:29:37 PM
Sun
Hurley
Kate
Jack
Sayid
Aaron?   I still don't like this.
Title: Re: So Aaron IS one of the Oceanic Six
Post by: Maxor127 on March 13, 2008, 11:35:21 PM
No.  Jin is one of the Oceanic 6.  Producers said Aaron isn't one of them, and that we'd find out the final two this episode.  Obviously Jin survived the crash but died some other way.  His body is still off the island.
Title: Re: So Aaron IS one of the Oceanic Six
Post by: MegLostFan on March 13, 2008, 11:35:52 PM
I dont know, but for some reason i still feel like Jin is one of the oceanic six, like he died after they were rescued....or he is pretending his death for his wife, baby, and/or his safety.
Title: Re: So Aaron IS one of the Oceanic Six
Post by: Fenster on March 13, 2008, 11:36:59 PM
No.  Jin is one of the Oceanic 6.  Producers said Aaron isn't one of them, and that we'd find out the final two this episode.  Obviously Jin survived the crash but died some other way.  His body is still off the island.
The date on the tombstone is Sept., which means he cannot be one of the 6.
Title: Re: So Aaron IS one of the Oceanic Six
Post by: Maxor127 on March 13, 2008, 11:38:56 PM
That's the day they say he died to cover up the fact that their entire story about getting off the island is a lie.
Title: Re: So Aaron IS one of the Oceanic Six
Post by: Juniper Jade on March 13, 2008, 11:39:11 PM
Maybe Michael is the last Oceanic 6?
Title: Re: So Aaron IS one of the Oceanic Six
Post by: Sawyers_Gotta_Gun on March 13, 2008, 11:43:10 PM
the producers say that the death in ji yeon dosnt mean we will not see that character again
Title: Re: So Aaron IS one of the Oceanic Six
Post by: Optimus J on March 13, 2008, 11:43:56 PM
The date on the tombstone is Sept., which means he cannot be one of the 6.
Not even one of EIGHT. Because they say there were eight survivor, and 2 casualties on the island.
Maybe Michael is the last Oceanic 6?
I think Michael is hidden on a fake identity, so the could be the secret Oceanic Seventh.
Title: Re: So Aaron IS one of the Oceanic Six
Post by: Maxor127 on March 13, 2008, 11:44:00 PM
The final two Oceanic 6 were supposed to be revealed today.  Obviously Sun, and technically Jin even though he's dead.  They were the only two unrevealed island people involved in the flashforward besides Hurley.  Unless there's a Where's Waldo scene with someone else, then it's Jin and Sun.
Title: Re: So Aaron IS one of the Oceanic Six
Post by: red255 on March 13, 2008, 11:44:02 PM
when Jack was on the stand at Kate's trial he said something about 8 of them surviving the crash, but then 2 died. Maybe something happened when they were getting off the Island and one of the 2 is Jin, the other one could be Claire.
Title: Re: So Aaron IS one of the Oceanic Six
Post by: louisianagirl76l on March 13, 2008, 11:44:43 PM
Well with flashbacks no one is EVER totally out of the show. That doesnt mean that he will be in the future.
Title: Re: So Aaron IS one of the Oceanic Six
Post by: Point Place WI on March 13, 2008, 11:45:25 PM
That's the day they say he died to cover up the fact that their entire story about getting off the island is a lie.

Exactly.....The whole reason there is an Oceanic 6 is a made up story.  Jack at Kate's trial.....and after

It doesn't matter what they put on the tombstone. 
Title: Re: So Aaron IS one of the Oceanic Six
Post by: Hurley rocks dudes on March 13, 2008, 11:48:04 PM
maybe they will count micheal as one of the Oceanic 6!!! they didn't know that he's already been off the island, and he did appear in this episode... :o
Title: Re: So Aaron IS one of the Oceanic Six
Post by: TvFantic on March 13, 2008, 11:50:34 PM
I think Aaron has to be counted as one of the Oceanic 6 or we still don't know who this 6 are.  At least Sun's delievery gives us a little bit of timeline since she has the baby back home.  That's gives us less than 8 months into 2005.  

I'm still not one hundred percent about Aaron though because if Kate is passing this as her child, that means she would have to have been 8 months pregnant when the plane crashed (meaning 8 months when she was arrested) in order to justify his age when they are rescued.

I think the producers are playing with us.
Title: Re: So Aaron IS one of the Oceanic Six
Post by: cindypooh on March 13, 2008, 11:51:56 PM
Who was it that Jack went to see at the funeral home??? Could that be someone who got off the Island?? Who was in that newspaper Jack had???
Title: Re: So Aaron IS one of the Oceanic Six
Post by: Fenster on March 13, 2008, 11:53:04 PM
Who was it that Jack went to see at the funeral home??? Could that be someone who got off the Island?? Who was in that newspaper Jack had???
Good thought, but if one of the "Oceanic 6" had died the funeral would have been a much bigger deal.
Title: Re: So Aaron IS one of the Oceanic Six
Post by: cindypooh on March 14, 2008, 12:01:12 AM
That is true about the funeral being much bigger. Another thought is that I don't think that Arron is one of the six. Yes he was in the crash but he wasn't born yet. Do you count the baby as a passenger on the plane that is not born??? Are they only looking at people on the flight list as survivors?
Title: Re: So Aaron IS one of the Oceanic Six
Post by: SQUIRT199 on March 14, 2008, 12:16:03 AM
I never thought arron was one of the six,  unborn fetuses simply dont count as crash survivors, I never heard a report of a plane crash with 230 dead and 1 unborn child, they may comment on one being pregnant but that doesnt make the body count 231,  now the fact that he is in the future (are we sure of this?) then we know he gets off the island but I dont think anyone would count him as one of the survivors since he was born post crash.
Title: Re: So Aaron IS one of the Oceanic Six
Post by: TheGoodPeople on March 14, 2008, 12:20:39 AM
arron dosent count. jin was one then died on the mainland. if they could only bring back 6 why would one of them be a dead body
Title: Re: So Aaron IS one of the Oceanic Six
Post by: Hurley rocks dudes on March 14, 2008, 12:21:37 AM
i bet that micheal is the last of the 6 and that it is micheal's funeral that Jack goes too.
Title: Re: So Aaron IS one of the Oceanic Six
Post by: jugdish on March 14, 2008, 12:22:37 AM
Cuse and lindelof said we would know who the oceanic 6 was after this episode

They are
Jack
Kate
Hurley
Sayid
Aaron
and Sun

No doubt about it. THey were very clear in saying we would know all six after ep 7
Title: Re: So Aaron IS one of the Oceanic Six
Post by: Hurley rocks dudes on March 14, 2008, 12:25:42 AM
micheal is in this episode... im tellin ya its him
Title: Re: So Aaron IS one of the Oceanic Six
Post by: Maxor127 on March 14, 2008, 12:26:47 AM
They also said Aaron isn't one of the Oceanic 6, and more specifically the final TWO would be revealed tonight.  Which leaves Sun and Jin.
Title: Re: So Aaron IS one of the Oceanic Six
Post by: TheGoodPeople on March 14, 2008, 12:27:33 AM
Cuse and lindelof said we would know who the oceanic 6 was after this episode

They are
Jack
Kate
Hurley
Sayid
Aaron
and Sun

No doubt about it. THey were very clear in saying we would know all six after ep 7


they also said there wouldn't be flash forewards and flashbacks in the same episode.

and how did jin get off of the island
Title: Re: So Aaron IS one of the Oceanic Six
Post by: Point Place WI on March 14, 2008, 12:37:52 AM
Cuse and lindelof said we would know who the oceanic 6 was after this episode

They are
Jack
Kate
Hurley
Sayid
Aaron
and Sun

No doubt about it. THey were very clear in saying we would know all six after ep 7


they also said there wouldn't be flash forewards and flashbacks in the same episode.

and how did jin get off of the island

You know Jug he has a very good point.  I too remember them saying this.  So, where do we draw the line.  They say up until this point no time travel then they flirt with it a little.  They say no flash forwards and backwards in the same episode and now they eat there own words again.  It wouldn't surprise me if they did the same here.  Blasphemy....They must have writers block.
Title: Re: So Aaron IS one of the Oceanic Six
Post by: Fenster on March 14, 2008, 12:38:31 AM
Jin isn't one of the 6 people.  His tombstone date confirms that.
Title: Re: So Aaron IS one of the Oceanic Six
Post by: jugdish on March 14, 2008, 12:41:05 AM
They never once said aaron was not an Oceanic 6
They never once said we would find out 2 of the oceanic 6 tonight.
It was advertise that we would find out the last of the oceanic 6 and it was stated as singular
The FF and FB in the same episode stretches the truth telling, but I believe they were saying that Sun only FF and Jin only FB, so they were telling the truth.
Title: Re: So Aaron IS one of the Oceanic Six
Post by: TheGoodPeople on March 14, 2008, 12:44:35 AM
Im not buying Aaron as one of the 6
Title: Re: So Aaron IS one of the Oceanic Six
Post by: jugdish on March 14, 2008, 01:02:04 AM
Why do people not believe what you see?? the six have been shown. It is not a mystery. It is a question answered!! YES!!!
Title: Re: So Aaron IS one of the Oceanic Six
Post by: Lion of Atreides on March 14, 2008, 01:02:57 AM
Cuse and lindelof said we would know who the oceanic 6 was after this episode

They are
Jack
Kate
Hurley
Sayid
Aaron
and Sun

No doubt about it. THey were very clear in saying we would know all six after ep 7

I side with Aaron as one of the 6.  Jin is one of the two who survived the crash but died afterwards. The other? Not Michael, as he's currently incognito, and if makes it off the island, will pull a Ben and go undercover.  It's not like he has a life to go back to without Walt.  With all his apparitions appearing to the Losties, is Walt dead?
Title: Re: So Aaron IS one of the Oceanic Six
Post by: jugdish on March 14, 2008, 01:03:43 AM
Cuse and lindelof said we would know who the oceanic 6 was after this episode

They are
Jack
Kate
Hurley
Sayid
Aaron
and Sun

No doubt about it. THey were very clear in saying we would know all six after ep 7

I side with Aaron as one of the 6.  Jin is one of the two who survived the crash but died afterwards. The other? Not Michael, as he's currently incognito, and if makes it off the island, will pull a Ben and go undercover.  It's not like he has a life to go back to without Walt.  With all his apparitions appearing to the Losties, is Walt dead?

Agreed, could be him in the coffin
Title: Re: So Aaron IS one of the Oceanic Six
Post by: Hurley rocks dudes on March 14, 2008, 01:05:24 AM
Cuse and lindelof said we would know who the oceanic 6 was after this episode

They are
Jack
Kate
Hurley
Sayid
Aaron
and Sun

No doubt about it. THey were very clear in saying we would know all six after ep 7

I side with Aaron as one of the 6.  Jin is one of the two who survived the crash but died afterwards. The other? Not Michael, as he's currently incognito, and if makes it off the island, will pull a Ben and go undercover.  It's not like he has a life to go back to without Walt.  With all his apparitions appearing to the Losties, is Walt dead?

Agreed, could be him in the coffin
but why would no one go to the funeral. at least hurley would want to go. this is why i still think it is micheal.
Title: Re: So Aaron IS one of the Oceanic Six
Post by: TheGoodPeople on March 14, 2008, 01:06:56 AM
Why do people not believe what you see?? the six have been shown. It is not a mystery. It is a question answered!! YES!!!

There are still people who think that the coffin at the end of last season is for a  fullsized man
Title: Re: So Aaron IS one of the Oceanic Six
Post by: jugdish on March 14, 2008, 01:09:42 AM
Cuse and lindelof said we would know who the oceanic 6 was after this episode

They are
Jack
Kate
Hurley
Sayid
Aaron
and Sun

No doubt about it. THey were very clear in saying we would know all six after ep 7

I side with Aaron as one of the 6.  Jin is one of the two who survived the crash but died afterwards. The other? Not Michael, as he's currently incognito, and if makes it off the island, will pull a Ben and go undercover.  It's not like he has a life to go back to without Walt.  With all his apparitions appearing to the Losties, is Walt dead?

Agreed, could be him in the coffin
but why would no one go to the funeral. at least hurley would want to go. this is why i still think it is micheal.

I am confused, you think michael is what one of the 6 or in the coffin?
Title: Re: So Aaron IS one of the Oceanic Six
Post by: Maxor127 on March 14, 2008, 01:19:09 AM
They did say Aaron wasn't one of the Oceanic 6 and that the final two would be revealed.  They said this in the last couple podcasts.
Title: Re: So Aaron IS one of the Oceanic Six
Post by: madmax22e on March 14, 2008, 01:25:08 AM
aaron was born before they got rescued. doesnt matter that he wasnt when they crashed. he is a survivor from the rescue.

that being said, i still think that kates "aaron" is her and sawyers baby and she named it as a homage to the island aaron.
Title: Re: So Aaron IS one of the Oceanic Six
Post by: jumbotron on March 14, 2008, 01:29:02 AM
They also said in the March 10th podcast that you can't believe anything they say.

Jin died in the crash along with everybody else on the plane EXCEPT

Jack
Kate
Sayid
Hurley
Sun and Aaron

the remaining two that survived and then died  later are... Jin who had to survive in order to get Sun pregnant, and Claire who died during child birth.
Title: Re: So Aaron IS one of the Oceanic Six
Post by: Maxor127 on March 14, 2008, 01:32:41 AM
Yeah how are they explaining Sun's pregnancy if Jin died the date of the crash.
Title: Re: So Aaron IS one of the Oceanic Six
Post by: Fenster on March 14, 2008, 01:34:27 AM
Yeah how are they explaining Sun's pregnancy if Jin died the date of the crash.
They could have conceived in the days prior to the flight.
Title: Re: So Aaron IS one of the Oceanic Six
Post by: Maxor127 on March 14, 2008, 01:39:01 AM
The entire point of her being pregnant and in danger is that she got pregnant on the island.  And I think it was most likely one of those late 1st season episodes when they make up and fall in love again, specifically that episode where Hurley sees Jin and Sun come out of the tent smiling and hugging and Hurley gives Jin the thumbs up.
Title: Re: So Aaron IS one of the Oceanic Six
Post by: PrincessLeia on March 14, 2008, 04:33:05 AM
They never once said aaron was not an Oceanic 6
They never once said we would find out 2 of the oceanic 6 tonight.
It was advertise that we would find out the last of the oceanic 6 and it was stated as singular
The FF and FB in the same episode stretches the truth telling, but I believe they were saying that Sun only FF and Jin only FB, so they were telling the truth.
I agree with Juggy here, but jumbotron brings up a great point.  How will they explain the DOC if Jin died in the crash?
Title: Re: So Aaron IS one of the Oceanic Six
Post by: Sunflower on March 14, 2008, 04:59:26 AM
They never once said Aaron was not an Oceanic 6 Why do so many ppl say the he wasn't and accept it as canon??
They never once said we would find out 2 of the oceanic 6 tonight.Why do so many ppl say we would?
It was advertise that we would find out the last of the oceanic 6 and it was stated as singular Meaning??  What point are you trying to make? Proving your Aaron theory?  Please refer to above.
The FF and FB in the same episode stretches the truth telling, but I believe they were saying that Sun only FF and Jin only FB, so they were telling the truth. I feel entirely stupid not realizing that we would have a dual ff and fb.  I thought Mr. Paik just had pulled some serious strings.  I mean Jin would do whatever necessary to protect Sun and the baby; even living a life without her and her.  Not saying that Sun doesn't believe he is LOST/Dead.
I don't read spoilers, listen to podcast or anything to ruin my viewing experience...just honest questions.  I want proof that your above statements are truths.  You and Jess say so, I'm likely to follow if you provide me with some evidence...Please :-*

I'm super confused by this epi if you haven't noticed.
Title: Re: So Aaron IS one of the Oceanic Six
Post by: LostinLock on March 14, 2008, 07:23:48 AM
Okay - that is the question of the day....
Put your right brain in and take your left brain out and perhaps you can flash forward and backwards.

I guess maybe we have to think different with this whole O6 routine. 
While most of us agree Aaron makes little sense to be the 6th ... it appears that he just may be.
Then the person who dies is not one of the O6, could he be Michael the traitor?
Title: Re: So Aaron IS one of the Oceanic Six
Post by: NDHESQ on March 14, 2008, 09:21:48 AM
I'm with Jumbotron

According to the Cover Story The Oceanic 8 who survived the Crash:
Jack
Kate
Hurley
Sayid
Sun
Jin
Claire
Aaron

Jin and Claire are the 2 who died after the crash.  It was necessary to say they survived the crash to explain Aaron's existence when they are rescued and Jin's pregnancy.  Leaving the famous Oceanic 6:

Jack
Kate
Hurley
Sayid
Sun
Aaron

I don't believe Kate's Aaron could possibly be her baby.  That Aaron appeared to be about 18 mos to 2 years old at the time of the FF.  That would mean the FF takes place approximately  2 1/2 to 3 years after rescue to allow time for pregnancy and birth.  However, Kate is just now coming to trial for her crimes pre crash.  No way a Federal Murder case takes 3 years to come to trial.

Jin is still alive on the island, my guess is only a few were able to get off and Jin (and probably Juliet) made sure Sun was one of them.  The old cell, the Year of the Dragon, working for Paik and married 2 months were dead give aways that this was a FB.

 
Title: Re: So Aaron IS one of the Oceanic Six
Post by: Walkabout on March 14, 2008, 09:58:38 AM
The entire point of her being pregnant and in danger is that she got pregnant on the island.  And I think it was most likely one of those late 1st season episodes when they make up and fall in love again, specifically that episode where Hurley sees Jin and Sun come out of the tent smiling and hugging and Hurley gives Jin the thumbs up.
Outside of the Others and maybe Widmore who would know about the "pregnancy deaths" on the island. So conceiving on island would only be consequential to her not anyone else off island.
Title: Re: So Aaron IS one of the Oceanic Six
Post by: casino on March 14, 2008, 10:08:51 AM
That's the day they say he died to cover up the fact that their entire story about getting off the island is a lie.

It seems to me that it is important to note the the general public on the show is using the term Oceanic Six.  If there is a cover up and Jin is not actually dead and is off the Island, and the tombstone is a fake, and the general public has been told that Jin died in the crash, then the general public DOES NOT KNOW that Jin is still alive and therefore would not include him as one of the Oceanic Six, so there must be a sixth member that the public KNOWS ABOUT AND ASSUMES TO BE ALIVE, which could very well be Aaron.
Title: Re: So Aaron IS one of the Oceanic Six
Post by: Maxor127 on March 14, 2008, 10:10:01 AM
There's still a date of conception.  If she's 8 months pregnant and the crash happened 10 months ago, then that's something doctors would notice.
Title: Re: So Aaron IS one of the Oceanic Six
Post by: casino on March 14, 2008, 10:11:49 AM
Cuse and lindelof said we would know who the oceanic 6 was after this episode

They are
Jack
Kate
Hurley
Sayid
Aaron
and Sun

No doubt about it. THey were very clear in saying we would know all six after ep 7


they also said there wouldn't be flash forewards and flashbacks in the same episode.

and how did jin get off of the island

You know Jug he has a very good point.  I too remember them saying this.  So, where do we draw the line.  They say up until this point no time travel then they flirt with it a little.  They say no flash forwards and backwards in the same episode and now they eat there own words again.  It wouldn't surprise me if they did the same here.  Blasphemy....They must have writers block.

I said this in another thread, but in a recent interview TPTB said that they would lie about something to keep viewers from uncovering a significant story line in advance.  That's why they fibbed about time travel.  
Title: Re: So Aaron IS one of the Oceanic Six
Post by: SQUIRT199 on March 14, 2008, 10:20:53 AM
Cuse and lindelof said we would know who the oceanic 6 was after this episode

They are
Jack
Kate
Hurley
Sayid
Aaron
and Sun

No doubt about it. THey were very clear in saying we would know all six after ep 7



they also said there wouldn't be flash forewards and flashbacks in the same episode.

and how did jin get off of the island

You know Jug he has a very good point.  I too remember them saying this.  So, where do we draw the line.  They say up until this point no time travel then they flirt with it a little.  They say no flash forwards and backwards in the same episode and now they eat there own words again.  It wouldn't surprise me if they did the same here.  Blasphemy....They must have writers block.

I said this in another thread, but in a recent interview TPTB said that they would lie about something to keep viewers from uncovering a significant story line in advance.  That's why they fibbed about time travel.  


Michael is the sixth,  he is the only other one it could be,  they would not count arron among the survivors,
Title: Re: So Aaron IS one of the Oceanic Six
Post by: casino on March 14, 2008, 10:21:18 AM
I'm with Jumbotron

According to the Cover Story The Oceanic 8 who survived the Crash:
Jack
Kate
Hurley
Sayid
Sun
Jin
Claire
Aaron

Jin and Claire are the 2 who died after the crash.  It was necessary to say they survived the crash to explain Aaron's existence when they are rescued and Jin's pregnancy.  Leaving the famous Oceanic 6:

Jack
Kate
Hurley
Sayid
Sun
Aaron

I don't believe Kate's Aaron could possibly be her baby.  That Aaron appeared to be about 18 mos to 2 years old at the time of the FF.  That would mean the FF takes place approximately  2 1/2 to 3 years after rescue to allow time for pregnancy and birth.  However, Kate is just now coming to trial for her crimes pre crash.  No way a Federal Murder case takes 3 years to come to trial.

Jin is still alive on the island, my guess is only a few were able to get off and Jin (and probably Juliet) made sure Sun was one of them.  The old cell, the Year of the Dragon, working for Paik and married 2 months were dead give aways that this was a FB.

 

Okay, you put up your first post and you give us this?

Just a little tip for you, newbie:  Logical thought like this is not allowed here!  It ruins the whole vibe! :)

Seriously, this is a good explanation.  It incorporates Jack's story of the Oceanic 8, and at least partially explains why they chose to complicate the story instead of just saying that there were only six survivors.  For one thing, it's obvious Aaron was born on the Island and that he wasn't Kate's baby.  So, Claire could not have died in the crash else there would be no Aaron.

As for Jin, if he is really dead I can only think that Sun refused to come back without his body, so they couldn't really say he was at the bottom of the trench where the plane SUPPOSEDLY crashed.
Title: Re: So Aaron IS one of the Oceanic Six
Post by: SQUIRT199 on March 14, 2008, 10:22:14 AM
Cuse and lindelof said we would know who the oceanic 6 was after this episode

They are
Jack
Kate
Hurley
Sayid
Aaron
and Sun

No doubt about it. THey were very clear in saying we would know all six after ep 7

Very clear,

obviously micheal if Jin is dead,

Jins dead!
Title: Re: So Aaron IS one of the Oceanic Six
Post by: Walkabout on March 14, 2008, 10:30:42 AM
There's still a date of conception.  If she's 8 months pregnant and the crash happened 10 months ago, then that's something doctors would notice.
Did she tell Dr. at hospital she is eight months? I don't recall a timeline in regards to DOB of Ji verse a pronounced conception date. Did TPTB give us a "due date" for baby Ji? Some come early and some come late. Your honor I object to this line of questioning on the grounds of speculation. ;D
Title: Re: So Aaron IS one of the Oceanic Six
Post by: Mr.Locke on March 14, 2008, 12:08:05 PM
Sun
Hurley
Kate
Jack
Sayid
Aaron?   I still don't like this.

what is this list? Only those 6? What about James Ford,bernard and the rest?
Title: Re: So Aaron IS one of the Oceanic Six
Post by: jugdish on March 14, 2008, 12:18:11 PM
Oceanic 6 does not have to be "on the plane". It would be a media name. They love to name everything. 6 people are rescused. Kate, Jack, Hurley, Sayid, Sun and aaron. Their are 6 of them so they are named Oceanic 6.

This is not the mystery. THe mystery is how did they get off the island. WHy them and are others still alive on the island.
Title: Re: So Aaron IS one of the Oceanic Six
Post by: Austruck on March 14, 2008, 12:39:26 PM
As for whether Aaron is one of the six: You guys are thinking about this from the wrong perspective.

Imagine these six people (including Aaron) being rescued, found alive. Amazing news story! Where did the term "Oceanic Six" come from? Most likely some news person coined the phrase. Now, logically, wouldn't they just smoothly dump Aaron into a group of six people who were *technically* on that plane as the Oceanic Six? There's no way a news person would dub the group the Oceanic Six and then have to tack on something like "Plus the Kid."

No, the logical way these things happen is that someone coined the phrase based on HOW MANY PEOPLE GOT OFF THE RESCUE VEHICLE. That would include six people and therefore would include Aaron. No one would bother to get picky about things like that while coining a phrase for the media. It would kinda ruin the whole "catchy phrase" thing to have to tack on a P.S. about Aaron.

.... Which, BTW, leads me to believe that Ben got off the island some other way ... sneakily and undetected. And I think it's him in the coffin, a fitting end that the producers KNOW we would all want by now.
Title: Re: So Aaron IS one of the Oceanic Six
Post by: jugdish on March 14, 2008, 12:40:27 PM
As for whether Aaron is one of the six: You guys are thinking about this from the wrong perspective.

Imagine these six people (including Aaron) being rescued, found alive. Amazing news story! Where did the term "Oceanic Six" come from? Most likely some news person coined the phrase. Now, logically, wouldn't they just smoothly dump Aaron into a group of six people who were *technically* on that plane as the Oceanic Six? There's no way a news person would dub the group the Oceanic Six and then have to tack on something like "Plus the Kid."

No, the logical way these things happen is that someone coined the phrase based on HOW MANY PEOPLE GOT OFF THE RESCUE VEHICLE. That would include six people and therefore would include Aaron. No one would bother to get picky about things like that while coining a phrase for the media. It would kinda ruin the whole "catchy phrase" thing to have to tack on a P.S. about Aaron.

.... Which, BTW, leads me to believe that Ben got off the island some other way ... sneakily and undetected. And I think it's him in the coffin, a fitting end that the producers KNOW we would all want by now.

100% agree, and it is how it will play out.
Title: Re: So Aaron IS one of the Oceanic Six
Post by: opgelost on March 14, 2008, 12:41:45 PM
I think.
The heli can take 3 people at the time.
It took Sayid, Desmond and Naomi's body.
It is going back now to take 3 others. Sun, who needs to leave the island, Jin, who will follow Sun whereever she goes and Juliet, who wants to get off the island more than anything else.
It will come back another time and take Jack, Kate with Aaron and Hurley.
So the story they will tell the world is, 8 survived the crash, 2 died.
Jin died and Juliet or Desmond will.
The oceanic six are : Jack, Kate, Hurley, Sayid, Sun, Desmond/Juliet.
Title: Re: So Aaron IS one of the Oceanic Six
Post by: Floyd25 on March 14, 2008, 12:48:27 PM
As for whether Aaron is one of the six: You guys are thinking about this from the wrong perspective.

Imagine these six people (including Aaron) being rescued, found alive. Amazing news story! Where did the term "Oceanic Six" come from? Most likely some news person coined the phrase. Now, logically, wouldn't they just smoothly dump Aaron into a group of six people who were *technically* on that plane as the Oceanic Six? There's no way a news person would dub the group the Oceanic Six and then have to tack on something like "Plus the Kid."

No, the logical way these things happen is that someone coined the phrase based on HOW MANY PEOPLE GOT OFF THE RESCUE VEHICLE. That would include six people and therefore would include Aaron. No one would bother to get picky about things like that while coining a phrase for the media. It would kinda ruin the whole "catchy phrase" thing to have to tack on a P.S. about Aaron.

.... Which, BTW, leads me to believe that Ben got off the island some other way ... sneakily and undetected. And I think it's him in the coffin, a fitting end that the producers KNOW we would all want by now.

100% agree, and it is how it will play out.
AYUH!
Title: Re: So Aaron IS one of the Oceanic Six
Post by: WhatThe on March 14, 2008, 01:43:43 PM
As for whether Aaron is one of the six: You guys are thinking about this from the wrong perspective.

Imagine these six people (including Aaron) being rescued, found alive. Amazing news story! Where did the term "Oceanic Six" come from? Most likely some news person coined the phrase. Now, logically, wouldn't they just smoothly dump Aaron into a group of six people who were *technically* on that plane as the Oceanic Six? There's no way a news person would dub the group the Oceanic Six and then have to tack on something like "Plus the Kid."

LoL! The Oceanic Six (featuring Aaron).
Title: Re: So Aaron IS one of the Oceanic Six
Post by: SQUIRT199 on March 14, 2008, 04:50:12 PM
If Arron was born/concieved after the crash,

How could he be one of the six?  wouldnt the six have to have been on the plane?

Realizing that the full story has not been revealed, the only way Kate can claim it is her baby (which seems evident that she does claim it's hers, from the trial episode) is that she had the baby on the island, concieved on the island aswell.

So just because arron is in the future, doesnt meant hat the world considers him one of the ocenaic 6,

I still think it is Michael, as he is now named kevin johnson but when he gets to the real world he will be known as Michael again.  and he is the sixth.

My take anyway

Title: Re: So Aaron IS one of the Oceanic Six
Post by: jugdish on March 14, 2008, 04:56:56 PM
As for whether Aaron is one of the six: You guys are thinking about this from the wrong perspective.

Imagine these six people (including Aaron) being rescued, found alive. Amazing news story! Where did the term "Oceanic Six" come from? Most likely some news person coined the phrase. Now, logically, wouldn't they just smoothly dump Aaron into a group of six people who were *technically* on that plane as the Oceanic Six? There's no way a news person would dub the group the Oceanic Six and then have to tack on something like "Plus the Kid."

No, the logical way these things happen is that someone coined the phrase based on HOW MANY PEOPLE GOT OFF THE RESCUE VEHICLE. That would include six people and therefore would include Aaron. No one would bother to get picky about things like that while coining a phrase for the media. It would kinda ruin the whole "catchy phrase" thing to have to tack on a P.S. about Aaron.

.... Which, BTW, leads me to believe that Ben got off the island some other way ... sneakily and undetected. And I think it's him in the coffin, a fitting end that the producers KNOW we would all want by now.

THis is how it will happen.
Title: Re: So Aaron IS one of the Oceanic Six
Post by: red255 on March 14, 2008, 05:08:00 PM
I think.
The heli can take 3 people at the time.
It took Sayid, Desmond and Naomi's body.
It is going back now to take 3 others. Sun, who needs to leave the island, Jin, who will follow Sun whereever she goes and Juliet, who wants to get off the island more than anything else.
It will come back another time and take Jack, Kate with Aaron and Hurley.
So the story they will tell the world is, 8 survived the crash, 2 died.
Jin died and Juliet or Desmond will.
The oceanic six are : Jack, Kate, Hurley, Sayid, Sun, Desmond/Juliet.


But Desmond and Juliet are not survivors of 815. At this point in time (presumable) the world believes all on board 815 died, so names would be released for families to grieve and make arrangements. So everyone would know that Desmond and Juliet were not on the plane, and this would only add questions and would not work in the lie they made up. Plus what happened to Jin in your scenario?
Title: Re: So Aaron IS one of the Oceanic Six
Post by: Lostatwork on March 14, 2008, 05:09:45 PM
the producers say that the death in ji yeon dosnt mean we will not see that character again

Who's to say that didn't mean Regina?  Maybe we'll see her again in explaining how Michael & Walt found "rescue?"
Title: Re: So Aaron IS one of the Oceanic Six
Post by: thebeann on March 14, 2008, 05:22:31 PM
I think it will be interesting how they explain Aaron belonging to Kate. I believe the producers (or someone!) said that we would know all of the six this episode. So Aaron is one of them.
Title: Re: So Aaron IS one of the Oceanic Six
Post by: opgelost on March 14, 2008, 05:57:47 PM
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But Desmond and Juliet are not survivors of 815. At this point in time (presumable) the world believes all on board 815 died, so names would be released for families to grieve and make arrangements. So everyone would know that Desmond and Juliet were not on the plane, and this would only add questions and would not work in the lie they made up. Plus what happened to Jin in your scenario?

I know Desmond wasn't on the plane. But if I follow the events on the island in islandtime I suppose the oceanic 6 will be saved by the helicopter that brings them to the freighter, because Sun has to get off the island in 3 weeks to survive. The helicopter just went back
to get 3 others.
We know for sure that Sayid and Desmond got off the island. Desmond could have died, but he didn't, because he found a constant. So I don't think he will die soon. I don't think he will get back to the island, because he wants to go to Penny.
 So he will be with Kate, Sayid, Aaron, Hurley, Sun and Jack when they are found or get on land.
They made up a story, 8 survived and 2 died. Jin died. Sayid, Hurley, Sun, Jack, Kate and Aaron and Desmond survived. Where will you put Desmond otherwise? Who is he? Or how do they hide him?
Title: Re: So Aaron IS one of the Oceanic Six
Post by: red255 on March 14, 2008, 08:43:11 PM
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But Desmond and Juliet are not survivors of 815. At this point in time (presumable) the world believes all on board 815 died, so names would be released for families to grieve and make arrangements. So everyone would know that Desmond and Juliet were not on the plane, and this would only add questions and would not work in the lie they made up. Plus what happened to Jin in your scenario?

I know Desmond wasn't on the plane. But if I follow the events on the island in islandtime I suppose the oceanic 6 will be saved by the helicopter that brings them to the freighter, because Sun has to get off the island in 3 weeks to survive. The helicopter just went back
to get 3 others.
We know for sure that Sayid and Desmond got off the island. Desmond could have died, but he didn't, because he found a constant. So I don't think he will die soon. I don't think he will get back to the island, because he wants to go to Penny.
 So he will be with Kate, Sayid, Aaron, Hurley, Sun and Jack when they are found or get on land.
They made up a story, 8 survived and 2 died. Jin died. Sayid, Hurley, Sun, Jack, Kate and Aaron and Desmond survived. Where will you put Desmond otherwise? Who is he? Or how do they hide him?
I agree with Jin being one of the two that died.
As far as we know only Penny is looking for Des, so now that we know daddy Widmore owns the boat I would say that Des's fate is up in the air. He could just go home to Penny without ever being mentioned, if daddy lets him, or stay on the Island, or die on the Island.
I just don't think he would be one of the 6 or 8 due to the fact that he was not on the passanger manifest. Same goes for Juliet, she was not on the manifest and her sister thinks she is off at a job, or missing by now.
Just because there is only a Oceanic 6 this does not mean they are the only ones to survive. Maybe Ben gets Des and Juliet off the island, on second thought after last week I don't think he would let her go.
Title: Re: So Aaron IS one of the Oceanic Six
Post by: LostAndSeek on March 14, 2008, 09:32:52 PM
In the coverup, Jin can't be one of the two that survived the crash but died later. The date on his tombstone was the crash date.
Title: Re: So Aaron IS one of the Oceanic Six
Post by: red255 on March 14, 2008, 09:51:39 PM
In the cover up, Jin can't be one of the two that survived the crash but died later. The date on his tombstone was the crash date.
in the investigation thread for the grave site, there is some talk of the dates, there are 3 dates Sun's birth, Jin's birth , and then the date of the crash. someone said that it could just be a memorial that was erected when the world thought everyone on the plane was was dead.
Title: Re: So Aaron IS one of the Oceanic Six
Post by: Rebel 3:16 on March 14, 2008, 10:42:18 PM
The on Island/ off Island debate will roll on, just to add my take - Desmond is now off the Island, wether he gets back 'home' is another matter, as is wether or not, and I believe not, he is one of the Oceanic 6.
Desmond got off the Island, almost died, found Pen (his constant) and is now, I believe, is more determined than ever to get 'home'. I cannot immagine him ever returning to the Island and going through the whole 'mind loss' scenario again.
Title: Re: So Aaron IS one of the Oceanic Six
Post by: Hurley rocks dudes on March 14, 2008, 11:26:27 PM
Oceanic 6- Jack
                Kate
                Hurley
                Sayid
                Sun
            Micheal
 
i don't think the world knows that micheal got back yet so they will put him in this category. and i think that it is micheal in the coffin and nobody goes to see him bcause of all the things he did and the things he will do to get wwaaaaaalllllttttt... im stickin by this until i am proved wrong.
Title: Re: So Aaron IS one of the Oceanic Six
Post by: Gar O Mac on March 14, 2008, 11:29:38 PM
Oceanic 6- Jack
                Kate
                Hurley
                Sayid
                Sun
            Micheal
 
i don't think the world knows that micheal got back yet so they will put him in this category. and i think that it is micheal in the coffin and nobody goes to see him bcause of all the things he did and the things he will do to get wwaaaaaalllllttttt... im stickin by this until i am proved wrong.

Makes since to me.
Title: Re: So Aaron IS one of the Oceanic Six
Post by: LostAndSeek on March 14, 2008, 11:54:46 PM

in the investigation thread for the grave site, there is some talk of the dates, there are 3 dates Sun's birth, Jin's birth , and then the date of the crash. someone said that it could just be a memorial that was erected when the world thought everyone on the plane was was dead.

If he were dead and the date was wrong, Sun would have replaced the stone.
Title: Re: So Aaron IS one of the Oceanic Six
Post by: LostAndSeek on March 14, 2008, 11:57:18 PM
Gar & Hurley,

Mikey is still my first choice for coffin man. I doubt he's O6 though. He's already living under an assumed name. I'm guessing that'll continue.
Title: Re: So Aaron IS one of the Oceanic Six
Post by: opgelost on March 15, 2008, 08:29:12 AM
If Michael is an oceanic 6, Walt died?
Title: Re: So Aaron IS one of the Oceanic Six
Post by: LostAndSeek on March 15, 2008, 10:14:48 AM
I suppose the people arguing that Mike is O6 would say that, yeah, either Walt dies or he stays on the Island.
Title: Re: So Aaron IS one of the Oceanic Six
Post by: opgelost on March 15, 2008, 12:09:35 PM
Jack told a story.
Only 8 of us survived the crash.
She took care of all of us.
She tried to save the other two.

So 2 died, 6 survived. Aaron wasn't born and can't be one of that six.
So he isn't oceanic 6.
Title: Re: So Aaron IS one of the Oceanic Six
Post by: Austruck on March 15, 2008, 12:23:27 PM
In the cover up, Jin can't be one of the two that survived the crash but died later. The date on his tombstone was the crash date.
in the investigation thread for the grave site, there is some talk of the dates, there are 3 dates Sun's birth, Jin's birth , and then the date of the crash. someone said that it could just be a memorial that was erected when the world thought everyone on the plane was was dead.

That can't be it. Otherwise, Sun's death date would be the same if they thought everyone had died and used that date.

Also, as for "hiding" Desmond ... they wouldn't have to do that. He was officially on that sailing race. The truth would work just fine for Des -- he crashed on the same island and has been there for a few years now.

But I don't think he's one of the six. I think we've seen them all -- the only thing left to find out is how we get to that point plotwise, and whether and how anyone ELSE gets off the island (since we already know Ben does).
Title: Re: So Aaron IS one of the Oceanic Six
Post by: LostAndSeek on March 15, 2008, 01:08:43 PM
Jack told a story.
Only 8 of us survived the crash.
She took care of all of us.
She tried to save the other two.

So 2 died, 6 survived. Aaron wasn't born and can't be one of that six.
So he isn't oceanic 6.

Sure he can. One of the two was Claire. She survived long enough to give birth to Aaron.
Title: Re: So Aaron IS one of the Oceanic Six
Post by: laklost on March 15, 2008, 02:38:44 PM
I'm with Jumbotron

According to the Cover Story The Oceanic 8 who survived the Crash:
Jack
Kate
Hurley
Sayid
Sun
Jin
Claire
Aaron
Jin and Claire are the 2 who died after the crash.  It was necessary to say they survived the crash to explain Aaron's existence when they are rescued and Jin's pregnancy.  Leaving the famous Oceanic 6:

Jack
Kate
Hurley
Sayid
Sun
Aaron

I don't believe Kate's Aaron could possibly be her baby.  That Aaron appeared to be about 18 mos to 2 years old at the time of the FF.  That would mean the FF takes place approximately  2 1/2 to 3 years after rescue to allow time for pregnancy and birth.  However, Kate is just now coming to trial for her crimes pre crash.  No way a Federal Murder case takes 3 years to come to trial.

Jin is still alive on the island, my guess is only a few were able to get off and Jin (and probably Juliet) made sure Sun was one of them.  The old cell, the Year of the Dragon, working for Paik and married 2 months were dead give aways that this was a FB.

 

Terrific first post.

Two good lists.  Are you Jacob?   ;)
Title: Re: So Aaron IS one of the Oceanic Six
Post by: opgelost on March 15, 2008, 03:20:33 PM
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Sure he can. One of the two was Claire. She survived long enough to give birth to Aaron.

Than it would be: 7 of us survived the crash.
Or do you count someone before he his born?
Title: Re: So Aaron IS one of the Oceanic Six
Post by: LostGirlDeb on March 15, 2008, 03:29:31 PM
Jack told a story.
Only 8 of us survived the crash.
She took care of all of us.
She tried to save the other two.

So 2 died, 6 survived. Aaron wasn't born and can't be one of that six.
So he isn't oceanic 6.

Sure he can. One of the two was Claire. She survived long enough to give birth to Aaron.

But isn't the whole point that Kate is passing off Aaron as her own?(so it wouldn't matter if claire was one of the 8 or not)
I still think the other 2 may not matter since it all a lie anyway

I guess the spoiler tags are not working but there is a confirmation at DarkUfo about who the 6 are
I don't know how he can confirm anything but it is there....
Title: Re: So Aaron IS one of the Oceanic Six
Post by: lostieloo on March 15, 2008, 03:52:48 PM
To paraphrase Jeff Jensen of www.ew.com, he said that O6 would be a media coined phrase, that reporters wouldn't care that Aaron wasn't technically on the flight manifest, but that the term sounds good.
Title: Re: So Aaron IS one of the Oceanic Six
Post by: LostAndSeek on March 15, 2008, 04:30:42 PM
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Sure he can. One of the two was Claire. She survived long enough to give birth to Aaron.

Than it would be: 7 of us survived the crash.
Or do you count someone before he his born?


Oh, I see. Sorry, you were clear and I misinterpreted. I have a very illuminating response to this.

I don't know.  ;)
Title: Re: So Aaron IS one of the Oceanic Six
Post by: Sunflower on March 15, 2008, 10:23:43 PM

in the investigation thread for the grave site, there is some talk of the dates, there are 3 dates Sun's birth, Jin's birth , and then the date of the crash. someone said that it could just be a memorial that was erected when the world thought everyone on the plane was was dead.

If he were dead and the date was wrong, Sun would have replaced the stone.
Either LAS is right (very nice point you made) and yes, she would have changed the date...she has plenty of money.  I haven't been here in days, but if reds statement is true then Jin could still be alive and they were ffwds of him?
Title: Re: So Aaron IS one of the Oceanic Six
Post by: WhatThe on March 15, 2008, 10:38:13 PM
In the cover up, Jin can't be one of the two that survived the crash but died later. The date on his tombstone was the crash date.
in the investigation thread for the grave site, there is some talk of the dates, there are 3 dates Sun's birth, Jin's birth , and then the date of the crash. someone said that it could just be a memorial that was erected when the world thought everyone on the plane was was dead.

I doubt Sun would visit a memorial to "talk" to Jin. They played that scene as if she were visiting his gravesite, complete with both Jin and Hurley dressed in black. Plus, I think they even showed Sun and Hurley walking in a cemetary lol (could be wrong, though).
Title: Re: So Aaron IS one of the Oceanic Six
Post by: LouE68 on March 15, 2008, 10:42:59 PM
In the cover up, Jin can't be one of the two that survived the crash but died later. The date on his tombstone was the crash date.
in the investigation thread for the grave site, there is some talk of the dates, there are 3 dates Sun's birth, Jin's birth , and then the date of the crash. someone said that it could just be a memorial that was erected when the world thought everyone on the plane was was dead.

I doubt Sun would visit a memorial to "talk" to Jin. They played that scene as if she were visiting his gravesite, complete with both Jin and Hurley dressed in black. Plus, I think they even showed Sun and Hurley walking in a cemetary lol (could be wrong, though).
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o116/LouE247/jinstombstone-1.jpg)
Title: Re: So Aaron IS one of the Oceanic Six
Post by: Asmodean on March 15, 2008, 11:40:05 PM
Nice work!
Title: Re: So Aaron IS one of the Oceanic Six
Post by: Maxor127 on March 16, 2008, 05:34:17 AM
I hope I get to say told you so when we learn who the #6 is without a doubt and it isn't Aaron.
Title: Re: So Aaron IS one of the Oceanic Six
Post by: LostAndSeek on March 16, 2008, 10:21:01 AM
Could any force on earth stop you?  ;)
Title: Re: So Aaron IS one of the Oceanic Six
Post by: Austruck on March 16, 2008, 11:48:09 AM
To paraphrase Jeff Jensen of www.ew.com, he said that O6 would be a media coined phrase, that reporters wouldn't care that Aaron wasn't technically on the flight manifest, but that the term sounds good.

Thank you! I have been saying this here in various posts since that episode first aired. It is the natural interpretation of the ending of that episode too -- a "reveal" of Aaron being alive and with Kate.

Sometimes folks read TOO much into every second of Lost footage.
Title: Re: So Aaron IS one of the Oceanic Six
Post by: opgelost on March 16, 2008, 03:40:27 PM
But still there is the story of Jack in court.
The plane crashes, 8 survive. Kate saves them. 2 die.
Aaron wasn't born when the plane crashed.

For sure Kate, Sayid, Sun, Jack and Hurley are oceanic six.
But number six is still a question for me. They said that Sun was the last.

Who did we see off island in the present or ff?
Aaron - can't be one of the 8 of Jack's story.
Charlie - is dead.
Ji Yeon - wasn't born.
Ben - wasn't on the plane.
Desmond - wasn't on the plane.
Michael - has taken another identity.

So who is number six?
Title: Re: So Aaron IS one of the Oceanic Six
Post by: lostieloo on March 17, 2008, 10:38:29 AM
To quote from DarkUFO:
"I've been getting a lot of emails and seeing a lot of debate in the comments section about exactly who the Oceanic 6 are.
They are Jack, Kate, Sayid, Hurley, Sun and Aaron.
Hopefully this will end some of the debate that's been going around."
http://darkufo.blogspot.com/2008/03/confirmation-of-oceanic-6.html
Title: Re: So Aaron IS one of the Oceanic Six
Post by: LostAndSeek on March 17, 2008, 01:26:47 PM
And we should believe DarkUFO, who already got this wrong once, because....?
Title: Re: So Aaron IS one of the Oceanic Six
Post by: LostAndSeek on March 17, 2008, 01:29:37 PM
Lemme be clearer. I think it's probably Aaron too, but Opge's got a good point. Maybe the Powers just outright lied to us, in which case lots of possibilities open up. Heck, maybe it's Sawyer. I'd like to think he has a future....
Title: Re: So Aaron IS one of the Oceanic Six
Post by: cbw420 on March 17, 2008, 05:13:09 PM
But still there is the story of Jack in court.
The plane crashes, 8 survive. Kate saves them. 2 die.
Aaron wasn't born when the plane crashed.



so claire survived and dies during/after birth?
Title: Re: So Aaron IS one of the Oceanic Six
Post by: opgelost on March 17, 2008, 07:01:34 PM
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so claire survived and dies during/after birth?

I don't know. Kate called Aaron her son.
I don't have to run, I have a son now.
Keep away from my son.
etc.
It seems like it is not Claire that gave birth, according to the coverstory.
Title: Re: So Aaron IS one of the Oceanic Six
Post by: LostAndSeek on March 17, 2008, 07:29:35 PM
Yeah, but what would she say?

I have an adopted son now?
I don't have to run, I stole Claire's baby?
Keep away from Jack's nephew?
Title: Re: So Aaron IS one of the Oceanic Six
Post by: E-Rich on March 17, 2008, 09:59:41 PM
Oceanic 6 does not have to be "on the plane". It would be a media name. They love to name everything. 6 people are rescused.

Until I read this, i was on the side that Aaron is NOT one.  But this makes a good case for Aaron. I don't have time for podcasts - so I don't really hear/see what TPTB say so whenever you guys say that I never believe it until I would see it for myself.  I would need either a link or a place to go see it for myself...



Title: Re: So Aaron IS one of the Oceanic Six
Post by: opgelost on March 18, 2008, 08:10:33 AM
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Yeah, but what would she say?

I have an adopted son now?
I don't have to run, I stole Claire's baby?
Keep away from Jack's nephew?

I reacted to:
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so claire survived and dies during/after birth?

I was trying to say, that Claire doesn't matter in the coverstory, because it is not obvious that she gave birth to Aaron. In eggtown they bring it like it is Kate's child.
Somewhere else I said that we saw Kate being married to a policeofficer, before running to Australia.
She did a pregnancytest. It was negative, but the timing could be right to say later that she was 8 months pregnant when she was arrested by Mars.
But he would have noticed. :-)

So I don't know, I just try to think logical based upon the information we have. But the information is incomplete, the gaps in between too big, important events left away and coming up later, the chronology all mixed up and uncertain and English is a foreign language for me.

I see a lot of people complaining that everything is speculation. But that is what Lost is about and what I like about it. Every new episode gives new information and makes you review all the episodes seen before, reput the events in the right order and resee your opinions and theories. It would be boring if we saw all the events in chronological order. Now we see Kate claiming to be Aaron's mother out of nothing and we have to speculate about how and why.
Title: Re: So Aaron IS one of the Oceanic Six
Post by: LostAndSeek on March 18, 2008, 01:25:48 PM
I know, I was just pointing out that Kate (like all adoptive parents) would think of Aaron as hers.

Heck yes, speculation is what it's all about. I don't think very many people complain about it exactly. Many of us do like to keep straight what's pure speculation, what's got a little bit of evidence behind it, and what seems to be pretty firmly grounded in the show.

If you wanted to see rampant speculation, you should have been here during the nine month wait between the end of S3 and the beginning of S4!  ;)

And your English is a whole lot better than my Dutch! Hang in there and keep 'em coming.
Title: Re: So Aaron IS one of the Oceanic Six
Post by: redcrow1973 on March 18, 2008, 03:34:47 PM
But still there is the story of Jack in court.
The plane crashes, 8 survive. Kate saves them. 2 die.
Aaron wasn't born when the plane crashed.

For sure Kate, Sayid, Sun, Jack and Hurley are oceanic six.
But number six is still a question for me. They said that Sun was the last.

Who did we see off island in the present or ff?
Aaron - can't be one of the 8 of Jack's story.
Charlie - is dead.
Ji Yeon - wasn't born.
Ben - wasn't on the plane.
Desmond - wasn't on the plane.
Michael - has taken another identity.

So who is number six?


I disagree.  Aaron totally COULD be one of the 8 included by Jack.  Just because he wasn't yet born doesn't change the fact he was on the flight and survived the crash.  It is 100% accurate to say Aaron survived the crash of Oceanic Flight 815.

IF you paid attention to the LOST promos ABC airs before each episode, you would recall they indicated we would learn another of the O6 when Eggtown aired.  They revealed Aaron.  He IS one of the 6. 

The promo for last week indicated we would learn who the last of the O6 was.  We learned it was Sun.

So - for those paying attention - we can all stop quibbling about who the Oceanic 6 are:
Jackass, Freckles, Staypuft, Mohammed, Turnip Head, and Tokyo Rose. 

Any questions?
Title: Re: So Aaron IS one of the Oceanic Six
Post by: LostAndSeek on March 18, 2008, 03:48:36 PM
I think it's Aaron too, but let me play devil's advocate.

If you pay attention to the show then

Jack and Hurley were revealed as O6 in Hurley's FF.
Sayid was revealed in The Economist.
Kate was revealed in Eggtown. Before that we knew she was off the Island, but we didn't know from the show that she was O6.
Sun was revealed in Ji Yeon.

So in terms of what has been clearly stated on the show, we only have 5.
Title: Re: So Aaron IS one of the Oceanic Six
Post by: jugdish on March 18, 2008, 03:49:56 PM
Correction.
Kate AND Aaron were shown in eggtown, so we have our 6.
Title: Re: So Aaron IS one of the Oceanic Six
Post by: PrincessLeia on March 18, 2008, 03:51:11 PM
I see what you're saying, but they said that we'd know who the 6 were by the end of this past epi, & since the only 6 Losties that we've seen OFF the Island in a FF includes Aaron, I see that as the simplest explanation.

I am really hoping they clearly state it on a podcast, so we can move on! lol
Title: Re: So Aaron IS one of the Oceanic Six
Post by: opgelost on March 18, 2008, 05:30:26 PM
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IF you paid attention to the LOST promos ABC airs before each episode

I don't have that information. I can download the episodes on fridaymorning and watch them the day after you do.
On tv here they started episode 1 with Hurley's ff yesterday.
I watch the episodes and read this forum. No ABCpromos.
Title: Re: So Aaron IS one of the Oceanic Six
Post by: opgelost on March 18, 2008, 05:36:57 PM
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Jackass, Freckles, Staypuft, Mohammed, Turnip Head, and Tokyo Rose. 

Any questions?

Who?
Title: Re: So Aaron IS one of the Oceanic Six
Post by: cbw420 on March 18, 2008, 06:01:54 PM
so we can move on! lol

so many topics need this
Title: Re: So Aaron IS one of the Oceanic Six
Post by: PrincessLeia on March 18, 2008, 06:10:06 PM
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Jackass, Freckles, Staypuft, Mohammed, Turnip Head, and Tokyo Rose. 

Any questions?

Who?
Jack, Kate, Hurley, Sayid, Aaron, & Sun....all according to Sawyer. :)
Title: Re: So Aaron IS one of the Oceanic Six
Post by: LostAndSeek on March 18, 2008, 06:30:39 PM
Correction.
Kate AND Aaron were shown in eggtown, so we have our 6.

Aaron was shown, but not revealed as an O6.

Again, I think it's Aaron too, but that's not been clearly stated on the show.
Title: Re: So Aaron IS one of the Oceanic Six
Post by: moyboy on March 18, 2008, 06:59:47 PM
Alrighty, here we go....

Has no one realized that the Oceanic 6 are the only people to have flash FORWARDS, since they have a future to be shown (or at least, a future that the producers are willing to show us right now)! So, the only people to have flash FORWARDS have been:

1) Jack
2) Hurley
3) Kate
4) Sayid
5) Sun
6) ... Aaron hasn't had a flash forward, because he is a WEE LITTLE BABY


Jin is NOT one of the Oceanic 6 as he had a flash BACK, although we were briefly fooled to think otherwise.
 
Michael is NOT one of the Oceanic 6 because in the upcoming episode I assume he will have a flash BACK to explain what happened to him all of this time and how he ended up on the freighter.

Jin and Claire are both counted / told as one of the 8th who survived the initial crash (so that they could explain the pregancy and birth of Aaron) but are not part of the Oceanic 6 that survived...

Noting who is missing from the 6, I can practically see some of the story lines already - Jin sacrifices his potential spot so Sun can have a future and give birth. Sawyer sacrifices his spot for Katie Freckles. Claire gives up her spot for baby Aaron, or she dies and they still want to get the only baby off the island. Or perhaps someone hides him on the helicopter, even if this is the case he would discovered upon re entry to civilization and would be counted as one of 6 PEOPLE FOUND AKA the Oceanic 6.
Title: Re: So Aaron IS one of the Oceanic Six
Post by: PrincessLeia on March 18, 2008, 07:03:37 PM
Great post. :)

That would be funny...an Aaron FF.  Hmmmm....
Title: Re: So Aaron IS one of the Oceanic Six
Post by: nomteticus on March 18, 2008, 07:27:30 PM
What about Desmond? I mean, he is already on the freighter.

I know, I don't beleive that myself, but just had to throw it out of my system.
Title: Re: So Aaron IS one of the Oceanic Six
Post by: LostAndSeek on March 18, 2008, 07:52:49 PM
Welcome, Moyboy!

Maybe eggtown was Aaron's flash forward. That would explain why so much of it didn't make sense!  ;)

Nomteticus, Des could be O6 if people are right that this is just a made-up-by-the-press name. Or he could get off without any such fanfare as he's not been widely publicized as dead. Or he could turn into the Flying Dutchman.
Title: Re: So Aaron IS one of the Oceanic Six
Post by: Hurley rocks dudes on March 18, 2008, 09:09:05 PM
What about Desmond? I mean, he is already on the freighter.

I know, I don't beleive that myself, but just had to throw it out of my system.
but he probably wouldn't count cause he wasn't on the plane
Title: Re: So Aaron IS one of the Oceanic Six
Post by: cbw420 on March 18, 2008, 09:26:45 PM
Sometimes folks read TOO much into every second of Lost footage.


haaaaa, you stole my line

but you will come to realize my young jedi, that its not sometimes, its most of the time ;)
Title: Re: So Aaron IS one of the Oceanic Six
Post by: Maxor127 on March 19, 2008, 04:33:07 AM
This link pretty much sums up the controversy with whether or not Aaron is one of the Oceanic 6.

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/658501/baby_aaron_lost_not_an_oceanic_6_member.html

That along with other points people have brought up, there's good reason for Aaron to not be considered Oceanic 6, and only one reason that he should be, and that's just because we're run out of people, or so we think, and he seems like our only option besides dead Jin.  All I can say is that it's still not a certainty that Aaron is Oceanic 6.  Unless they specifically mention it on the show or address it in a podcast or interview, then it will still be subject for debate.

All I know is it will be a letdown if he's one of the six.
Title: Re: So Aaron IS one of the Oceanic Six
Post by: LostAndSeek on March 19, 2008, 09:16:59 AM
I agree the sixth member is still in doubt. Nothing new in the link as we've discussed all those ideas and more in this forum.
Title: Re: So Aaron IS one of the Oceanic Six
Post by: jugdish on March 19, 2008, 09:34:43 AM
Do they have to have a character look at the camera and specifically tell you something for it to be believed. They do not have to specifically say "he is an Oceanic 6". We can think for ourtselves, draw conclusions. The show does not lie to us. It was stated that we would know who the oceanic 6 is after episode 7. WE KNOW WHO THEY ARE!!

Jack, Kate, Hurley, Sayid, Aaron and Sun. We saw them ALL in flashforwards. We saw Aaron in a flashforward.

We should be discussing, why they got off the island, how they get off the island and are people still alive on the island.
Title: Re: So Aaron IS one of the Oceanic Six
Post by: cbw420 on March 19, 2008, 09:42:44 AM
Do they have to have a character look at the camera and specifically tell you something for it to be believed. They do not have to specifically say "he is an Oceanic 6". We can think for ourtselves, draw conclusions. The show does not lie to us. It was stated that we would know who the oceanic 6 is after episode 7. WE KNOW WHO THEY ARE!!

Jack, Kate, Hurley, Sayid, Aaron and Sun. We saw them ALL in flashforwards. We saw Aaron in a flashforward.

We should be discussing, why they got off the island, how they get off the island and are people still alive on the island.

juggy, logic and commonsense should not be brought to Lost discussions!!! geez louise!!!

;)
Title: Re: So Aaron IS one of the Oceanic Six
Post by: LostAndSeek on March 19, 2008, 10:02:47 AM
Do they have to have a character look at the camera and specifically tell you something for it to be believed.

Yes. Well, ok with Aaron, Kate could say How's my little O6'er today?  ;)

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Jack, Kate, Hurley, Sayid, Aaron and Sun. We saw them ALL in flashforwards. We saw Aaron in a flashforward.

We saw Ben in a flash forward too....

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We should be discussing, why they got off the island, how they get off the island and are people still alive on the island.

We are discussing all those issues, but we can still discuss this too. I think it's Aaron too, but it's not a sure thing yet.

Title: Re: So Aaron IS one of the Oceanic Six
Post by: opgelost on March 19, 2008, 10:13:37 AM
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We can think for ourtselves, draw conclusions.

I draw a different conclusion than you do.
That's what this is about.
Title: Re: So Aaron IS one of the Oceanic Six
Post by: lostieloo on March 19, 2008, 02:42:12 PM
But Ben seems to have his own ways of getting off the island, plus tons of passports.  So he wasn't necessarily brought with the Oceanic 6 in order to be off island.
Title: Re: So Aaron IS one of the Oceanic Six
Post by: cbw420 on March 19, 2008, 02:58:17 PM
i have a question, although i was against Aaron being one of the 6, i am now on board/bored with him being one of the 6

WHO ELSE COULD IT POSSIBLY BE??

obviously Ben is out, no way in hell a man wanted by Widmore, and whatever other evil empire would be one of them, too much press coverage

so judging from what we've seen, the only logical one is aaron, hang me now for brining logic to the forum

jin is OUT as one of the 6, his gravesite summed this up

so again i ask, WHO COULD IT BE??

TBTP said we would know who the 6 were after last weeks epi, unless they are lying to us??


**it just cracks me up, people waste so much time over analyzing things, do you overanalyzers even enjoy the show anymore?????

























**denotes a generalization and not directed towards any specific individual
Title: Re: So Aaron IS one of the Oceanic Six
Post by: jugdish on March 19, 2008, 03:02:05 PM
Thanks for that clarification. :D

There is theorizing (using information FROM the show, to predict future events)

and overanalyzing(not accepting the show that is given to you)

I like theorizing.
Title: Re: So Aaron IS one of the Oceanic Six
Post by: laklost on March 19, 2008, 03:43:41 PM
Thanks for that clarification. :D

There is theorizing (using information FROM the show, to predict future events)

and overanalyzing(not accepting the show that is given to you)

I like theorizing.

Doh!

You forgot about pure unbridled and uncontrolled speculation.  ;D
Title: Re: So Aaron IS one of the Oceanic Six
Post by: jugdish on March 19, 2008, 03:50:52 PM
Thanks for that clarification. :D

There is theorizing (using information FROM the show, to predict future events)

and overanalyzing(not accepting the show that is given to you)

I like theorizing.

Doh!

You forgot about pure unbridled and uncontrolled speculation.  ;D

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!! Bridle and control that speculation.
Title: Re: So Aaron IS one of the Oceanic Six
Post by: laklost on March 19, 2008, 03:52:41 PM
Thanks for that clarification. :D

There is theorizing (using information FROM the show, to predict future events)

and overanalyzing(not accepting the show that is given to you)

I like theorizing.

Doh!

You forgot about pure unbridled and uncontrolled speculation.  ;D

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!! Bridle and control that speculation.

Put it in the trash and throw away the key.  :D

I agree with Jug.
Title: Re: So Aaron IS one of the Oceanic Six
Post by: nikarro on March 19, 2008, 06:27:07 PM
NOPE!  NOPE ON ALL OF YOU!!!  I FIGURED IT OUT!  Aaron is NOT one of the 6, you know who is????  CHRISTIAN???  Who's to say he had not booked that flight before he "died"!!!    :P
Title: Re: So Aaron IS one of the Oceanic Six
Post by: moyboy on March 19, 2008, 06:28:13 PM
kinda off topic, but related to the above discussion about who is in the coffin... wasn't there info somewhere about a name that appeared in the newspaper clip that Jack was holding when he was grieving and going to the funeral home? i dont remember the name but i dont think it was one that we had heard of yet.
Title: Re: So Aaron IS one of the Oceanic Six
Post by: Staggerlee on March 19, 2008, 06:38:08 PM
Jugdish and Laklost, the Buddha and Guru of the Forum...(you two can ketchup wrestle over whom is which ;D)

"There is theorizing (using information FROM the show, to predict future events)

and overanalyzing(not accepting the show that is given to you)

I like theorizing."

Theorizing the place for intellectuals i.e. Faraday, John Forbes Nash,

Overanalyzing...well, that word scares me, cause of the word hidden in the middle of it.....maybe that's why it's there in the middle...am I over----yzing it? ;D*



*of course that was not meant to offend, and i just LOVE addendums in forum posts...we all look so much smarter....


I'm in the Aaron's one of the 06 camp, though willing to switch sides, provided some incentive.....




Title: Re: So Aaron IS one of the Oceanic Six
Post by: moyboy on March 19, 2008, 06:42:15 PM
kinda off topic, but related to the above discussion about who is in the coffin... wasn't there info somewhere about a name that appeared in the newspaper clip that Jack was holding when he was grieving and going to the funeral home? i dont remember the name but i dont think it was one that we had heard of yet.

nevermind, found it:
http://lost.cubit.net/forum/index.php?topic=5455.0
Title: Re: So Aaron IS one of the Oceanic Six
Post by: LouE68 on March 19, 2008, 09:55:46 PM
If Aaron was one of them, shouldn't it be Oceanic 5.2?
Title: Re: So Aaron IS one of the Oceanic Six
Post by: laklost on March 19, 2008, 09:57:27 PM
Jugdish and Laklost, the Buddha and Guru of the Forum...(you two can ketchup wrestle over whom is which ;D)
"There is theorizing (using information FROM the show, to predict future events)

and overanalyzing(not accepting the show that is given to you)

I like theorizing."

Theorizing the place for intellectuals i.e. Faraday, John Forbes Nash,

Overanalyzing...well, that word scares me, cause of the word hidden in the middle of it.....maybe that's why it's there in the middle...am I over----yzing it? ;D*



*of course that was not meant to offend, and i just LOVE addendums in forum posts...we all look so much smarter....


I'm in the Aaron's one of the 06 camp, though willing to switch sides, provided some incentive.....






This. made. me. laugh...
Title: Re: So Aaron IS one of the Oceanic Six
Post by: Maxor127 on March 19, 2008, 10:05:37 PM
We don't know anything about Aaron's circumstances off the island.  We don't even know if he's being passed off as Kate's kid or if he's known to be adopted.  Everyone is doing a lot of assumption and trash talking people who disagree with them.  The podcast information obviously hasn't been entirely accurate, so I don't believe anything they say anymore.  Especially with the previews.  And they already said they want this to be a debate, so it's not a clear cut answer.
Title: Re: So Aaron IS one of the Oceanic Six
Post by: Staggerlee on March 19, 2008, 11:20:31 PM
True True Max, Mad Max if I may, If I  mayn't, I shan't again,

They blew it with the Mike surprise (on purpose?), so with all the debate about the lil' towhead, methinks they might just put that off for a bit, the resolving of it.


This following not directed at you Maxor, As for the the trash talking (done in the real, mean sort o' way) is done by idiots...serious dumba$$es...censor me, tell me that's mean, not to trash talk trash talkers, regardless, it's pretty lame, and at least people like Asmo and a few others are calling 'em on it, tis alright with me, fun's fun....

I like this place, a higher percentage of people here are cool (here at least ;D) and fun, and (yep two ands a word a comma and space apart) they help my near-sighted narcoleptic neurons understand this show that much better.
Title: Re: So Aaron IS one of the Oceanic Six
Post by: jugdish on March 20, 2008, 10:55:37 AM
This is from Jeff Jensen's column today. THis does not make it true, just another voice of reason for all you resisting the FACT that Aaron is an Oceanic 6.

WHY DO YOU PEOPLE HATE LITTLE CHILDREN* SO MUCH?
*No, not the Kate Winslet movie I mean Aaron!

Last week in my recap of ''Ji Yeon,'' I declared that the mystery of the Oceanic 6 lineup was over. Jack, Kate, Hurley, Sayid, Aaron, and now Sun these are the castaways that wind up making it off the Island and shocking the world with the fact of their miraculous existence. You didn't need to be a fake doctor to make this quasi-brilliant diagnosis: the producers have told us in interviews over the past few weeks that by the end of episode 7, the O6 IDs would all be revealed and episode 7 was last week. So, mystery solved. Right?

Wrong! Some of you are convinced that the matter isn't resolved that twists await, that there's one and maybe even two more members of the O6 still to be revealed. Many of you suspect that Sayid isn't really part of the O6 team, even though he said he was Oceanic 6 right before he shot that Italian guy on the golf course. But since I don't think that Sayid could get away with lying about something like that the O6 are super-celebs, after all I believe he was telling the truth. I think you Sayid doubters are over-thinking this and I admire that, as over-thinking things is my bread and butter. (I , juggy, took one sentence out of this paragraph, because it could be considered a spoiler)

Then, there is Aaron. It seems a whole mess of you are just like flash-forward Jack: You can't quite accept the fact of Kate's so-called child. The argument against Aaron rests on the following two assertions:

1. Aaron was not a ticket-buying Oceanic 815 passenger, as he was still gestating inside Claire's tummy (or Kate's, per the O6 cover story), so no one in the outside world would reasonably include him among the Oceanic 6. The knee-jerk reactionary part of me wants to flame this stinky piece of overly literal thinking into smoky little embers. Seriously?! That minuscule inconsistency fries your logic grid?! Think this through: In the off-Island world, every single passenger on Oceanic 815 has been declared dead. Remember, that salvage vessel found the wreckage and 324 corpses at the bottom of the Indian Ocean. Moreover, the video of this discovery was international news. EVERYONE saw those pictures. EVERYONE beheld the terrible reality of rotting airline passenger flesh. Now: Imagine the reaction when five of these passengers are subsequently discovered ALIVE and with a baby, no less! It's a killer story for the media, and speaking as a journalist, it just makes sense to me that the reporters who would tell that story would give this bunch of miracle people a punchy group name. And sorry, ''Oceanic 5 (Plus One)'' just doesn't have a good ring to it.

2. Aaron isn't Oceanic 6 because Kate's claim that Aaron is her baby wouldn't stand up to scrutiny. She wasn't pregnant before the flight, and if the Oceanic 6 leave the Island soon, that means she'll have only been missing for five months not enough time to bring a child into the world. Another common sense-challenged argument. The only person who could have possibly known that Kate wasn't pregnant prior to the crash was the now-dead marshal who nabbed her in Australia. But are wanted women immediately given pregnancy tests upon being captured? I doubt it. As for the rest of the argument, our sci-fi fixation of the moment, time travel, neatly nullifies it. Think about this: If the Oceanic 6 moves forward in time when they leave the Island like, say, one full year it gives Kate the extra months required to support her cover story.

There's a THIRD argument out there for why so many of you don't believe/don't want Aaron to be one of the Oceanic 6, but it's an argument that most of you are too ashamed to voice. I say most, because there is at least one reader who's got enough stones to give this shockingly unsentimental and possibly even hideously inhuman sentiment public voice. His name is Christopher Lastrapes, and this past week, he wrote to say:

''Part of me just doesn't want to accept it's Aaron mainly because I really don't care about Aaron. [Emphasis mine.] So I'm still trying to figure out who it might be. Maybe Ben is assuming the identity of someone on the plane. He certainly has the means, and might be able to find someone on the flight who had little or no connections in the world. Or now, maybe Michael. I just don't want to call this case closed just yet.''

Chris, I admire your frank baby-hating honesty. But it's time you and the rest of your Aaron-denying kind face facts: The kid is Oceanic 6. And the mystery is settled.

Title: Re: So Aaron IS one of the Oceanic Six
Post by: blueeyed2200 on March 20, 2008, 12:00:11 PM
As for whether Aaron is one of the six: You guys are thinking about this from the wrong perspective.

Imagine these six people (including Aaron) being rescued, found alive. Amazing news story! Where did the term "Oceanic Six" come from? Most likely some news person coined the phrase. Now, logically, wouldn't they just smoothly dump Aaron into a group of six people who were *technically* on that plane as the Oceanic Six? There's no way a news person would dub the group the Oceanic Six and then have to tack on something like "Plus the Kid."

No, the logical way these things happen is that someone coined the phrase based on HOW MANY PEOPLE GOT OFF THE RESCUE VEHICLE. That would include six people and therefore would include Aaron. No one would bother to get picky about things like that while coining a phrase for the media. It would kinda ruin the whole "catchy phrase" thing to have to tack on a P.S. about Aaron.

.... Which, BTW, leads me to believe that Ben got off the island some other way ... sneakily and undetected. And I think it's him in the coffin, a fitting end that the producers KNOW we would all want by now.

THis is how it will happen.

I agree with this . . . I wasn't buying the whole "Aaron is part of the Oceanic 6" theory, but at this point, I don't think we have any information that leads us to believe the sixth is anyone else other than Aaron.  I mean, how could it be Michael.  Michael got off of the island and changed identities, partly to help out the people on the island for one reason or another.  Now, the way I see it is that even though he was working for Ben or with Ben or whatever you want to call it,  he still took an alternate identity off of the island.  If he were to come back and confirm that he was on Oceanic 815,  red flags would raise.  Let's say theoretically all the freighter people end up dying somehow . . . I can't imagine that they would be the only people in the world who have encountered Michael as "Kevin Johnson".  I mean, if for whatever reason Michael made it to Mainland anywhere off the island, he would have had to come in contact with at least SOME people who knew him as Kevin Johnson.  Quite possibly even Widmore himself to get his little janitorial gig on the freighter.  So, he couldn't conceivably come off of as one of the Oceanic 6 with his real name at the chance that someone will recognize him and blow the whole story or whole cover of whatever everyone is hiding back at the island.  It would be a huge risk and could possibly blow the whole cover up story completely out of the water.  I don't think Michael is one of the 6.  I didn't really believe at first that Aaron would be, but I don't think we have any other viable candidates to fill that 6th spot other than Aaron at this point. 
Title: Re: So Aaron IS one of the Oceanic Six
Post by: Staggerlee on March 20, 2008, 12:17:20 PM
The fork has many tines, some are running off in the direction against his o6 status...passes time...though as was purported elsewhere, theorizing, overanlayzing :o, and speculation are running rampant...draw a card, follow a path, gather evi-d, and report back to your handlers....
Title: Re: So Aaron IS one of the Oceanic Six
Post by: Lost Ed on March 20, 2008, 12:25:43 PM
About podcasts, The Powerful Bees, Spoilers and all that....

Last season the Bee's got stung hard when their really supercool idea of flashforwards made it into the spoiler world with such impact that those of us, not even looking for spoilers, knew what was coming.

Therefore I would suggest that it is not beyond them to protect themselves from such future devestation as to intentionally leak false information...

As well...I rarely hear a podcast, I generally end up reading a transcript.  Nonetheless, and I only say nonetheless because I like typing it.  Nonetheless, what I have noticed in said transcripts is this.  The directness vs the avoidance.  Here be the examples. 

Sometimes a "bracelet is just a bracelet."  When everyone saw Elsa's bracelet in Sayid's FF, the theories began flying about the connection to Naomi.   Fact is, as explained extremely specifically by the Powerful Bees, is that there is absolutely no connection, they didn't realize that such theorizing would begin, and it is going nowhere.  Therefore, put a stop to it.  Period.

On the other hand, you have four fingers and a thumb, and this thought...when people get too close to a possibility, the Bees hee and haw and joke and maybe, could be, joke joke and guide themselves around it.  Such is the case with Aaron as the 6th.  Maybe, could be, lets see how people react, might want to take it further.  yada yada blah blah.

So do we have the point made?  Direct answers....somebody screwed up.  Avoidance...hmmm maybe could be you're probably right but we don't want to admit that you got there prematurely.

I'm, just saying....
Title: I believe tonight confirmed the oceanic 6
Post by: Mrs Hume on March 21, 2008, 02:04:57 AM
In the previews for April, They spelled it out for us!!!!  each one of the oceanic 6.( Unless they are playing with us.again.)
they actually gave us an answer in a preview?! Is that not weird?
Title: Re: I believe tonight confirmed the oceanic 6
Post by: Staggerlee on March 21, 2008, 02:14:19 AM
methinks they just wanted us (the collective lost-o-sphere) to just shut up and stop arguing about it....but I don't wanna!!!


Hey, There's a Burger King commercial on right now, KELVIN is in it!!!!!
He's disguised as a construction worker!!!! Somebody alert BlackRockBob!!!!
Title: O6 confirmed in episode preview
Post by: jumbotron on March 21, 2008, 02:28:26 AM
Thank you to TPTB for confirming the O6.  In case you didn't see it the preview showed all 6 member of the O6 and it was:

Jack
Kate
Hurley
Sayid
Aaron and
Sun

finally we can stop the stupid Aaron doesn't count discussions!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: I believe tonight confirmed the oceanic 6
Post by: Mrs Hume on March 21, 2008, 02:48:13 AM
methinks they just wanted us (the collective lost-o-sphere) to just shut up and stop arguing about it....but I don't wanna!!!




I agree. sometimes we all look to deep into things (But that is what happends when you (TPTB) play games with us. We don't trust what we see. and i could imagine TPTB getting frustrated with that / us . That might mean they would have to waste precious story time reiterating something that we should have already known. So they did it in a preview. Bravo to them!
Title: Re: O6 confirmed in episode preview
Post by: Mrs Hume on March 21, 2008, 03:40:18 AM
funny, i posted the same thing on the first page! Isn't it great?! I said in my thread, that I  figured they didn't want to have to waste precious film time/ story time, reiterating what they thought we already should have known.So they did it like that. I am so glade they did , and before the hiatus too.  I feel like we are getting so many answers this season.



(*this thread was merged, i didn't double post)
Title: Re: O6 confirmed in episode preview
Post by: TheGoodPeople on March 21, 2008, 04:41:28 AM
OK. i owe Juggy somthing. *bow* *bow* *bow*. Damn i wish i was right.
Title: Re: I believe tonight confirmed the oceanic 6
Post by: TheGoodPeople on March 21, 2008, 07:14:34 AM
methinks they just wanted us (the collective lost-o-sphere) to just shut up and stop arguing about it....but I don't wanna!!!


Hey, There's a Burger King commercial on right now, KELVIN is in it!!!!!
He's disguised as a construction worker!!!! Somebody alert BlackRockBob!!!!

Klevin is schilling Whoppers? I'm suddenly starving.
Title: Re: O6 confirmed in episode preview
Post by: Optimus J on March 21, 2008, 09:16:30 AM
I don't think Aaron is an O6. Jack tells in the Kate Trial there were 8 survivors. And 2 died. So I'm guessing Claire is one of the fake dead ones. Leaving 6 people BESIDES Aaron out.
Title: Re: O6 confirmed in episode preview
Post by: lostfan777 on March 21, 2008, 10:09:43 AM
I don't think Aaron is an O6. Jack tells in the Kate Trial there were 8 survivors. And 2 died. So I'm guessing Claire is one of the fake dead ones. Leaving 6 people BESIDES Aaron out.

Aaaaaaagh!  Stop it already!  Yes, Claire could still be one of the two who die, but they said right on the preview that now we know who the Oceanic 6 are as they flashed the six faces, including Aaron, complete with the dramatic background sounds for effect.  The kid is one of them!  Enough!  If I hear one more argument against this, I'm going to drive myself into the nearest cargo container!   >:(                                ;D
Title: Re: I believe tonight confirmed the oceanic 6
Post by: LostAndSeek on March 21, 2008, 11:27:39 AM
I agree. Confirmed.
Title: Re: O6 confirmed in episode preview
Post by: LostAndSeek on March 21, 2008, 11:38:26 AM
Opty, maybe it goes like this. In the coverup, Claire has the baby the day of the crash. It actually almost happened that way except Jack calmed her down. Anyway, that way on the day of the crash there are 8 survivors, including Aaron. Claire and another die.
Title: Re: O6 confirmed in episode preview
Post by: danmoriarty on March 21, 2008, 11:41:28 AM
I was wrong too.. good job guys...  damn aaron, always messing me up..
Title: Re: So Aaron IS one of the Oceanic Six
Post by: TvFantic on March 21, 2008, 11:49:21 AM
And so with the conclusion of Meet Kevin Johnson, ABC began it's preview for the remaining episodes stating something like..."Now that we know the Oceanic 6".....pictures of Jack, Sayid, Hurley,Sun, Kate and you guessed it, Aaron appeared.  Cased closed.
Title: Re: I believe tonight confirmed the oceanic 6
Post by: lostfan777 on March 21, 2008, 12:23:22 PM
I thought from the beginning that in this overly politically correct world they would have to count a fetus days from being born as a survivor of a plane crash!  In fact the media would make him the center of the story.  How could we imagine it any other way.  "Wow!  There were six survivors of this tremendous ordeal!  Oh yeah, and by the way, one of the passengers had a baby after the crash and they lived too, but since his name wasn't on the manifest, we're not counting him....."
Title: Re: So Aaron IS one of the Oceanic Six
Post by: LostAndSeek on March 21, 2008, 12:36:33 PM
Welcome, fanatic!

I agree, confirmed.
Title: Re: So Aaron IS one of the Oceanic Six
Post by: Ladybug on March 23, 2008, 12:43:19 AM
okay, okay, i'll throw in the towel it's aaron.
Title: Re: So Aaron IS one of the Oceanic Six
Post by: Hurley rocks dudes on March 23, 2008, 12:46:18 AM
i concede...
Title: Re: I believe tonight confirmed the oceanic 6
Post by: jumbotron on March 23, 2008, 12:52:21 AM
I'm sticking with my theory that according to the world outside the island Aaron is Kate's son, Claire never had a baby and died in the crash.  I don't know how they're going to explain it but Kate's mother wanted to meet her grandson.  I don't think she would have been so persistent if it was her adopted grandson.
Title: Re: So Aaron IS one of the Oceanic Six
Post by: E-Rich on March 23, 2008, 09:41:02 PM
Oceanic 6 does not have to be "on the plane". It would be a media name. They love to name everything. 6 people are rescused.

Until I read this, i was on the side that Aaron is NOT one.  But this makes a good case for Aaron. I don't have time for podcasts - so I don't really hear/see what TPTB say so whenever you guys say that I never believe it until I would see it for myself.  I would need either a link or a place to go see it for myself...


Okay - I must eat my own words (wherever they are) that said I didn't believe Aaron was one of the 6.  He obviously is and I don't know why i was so blind and believed too deeply in spoilers.  I........was........wrong.      :'(

 
Title: Re: I believe tonight confirmed the oceanic 6
Post by: lostfan777 on March 24, 2008, 10:28:33 AM
I'm sticking with my theory that according to the world outside the island Aaron is Kate's son, Claire never had a baby and died in the crash.  I don't know how they're going to explain it but Kate's mother wanted to meet her grandson.  I don't think she would have been so persistent if it was her adopted grandson.

Right, Aaron being one of the six only solves the mystery of whether or not Aaron was one of the six.  We still don't know how he ended up with Kate and who the world thinks he is.
Title: Re: So Aaron IS one of the Oceanic Six
Post by: Hurley rocks dudes on March 25, 2008, 08:03:00 PM
i concede that aaron is one of the O6, but i still think that it is Micheal in the casket...
Title: Re: So Aaron IS one of the Oceanic Six
Post by: Staggerlee on March 26, 2008, 12:41:12 AM
as many a bad Ed McMahon impersonator has said, "You are correct, Sir!!!"
Title: Re: So Aaron IS one of the Oceanic Six
Post by: opgelost on March 28, 2008, 05:16:19 PM
I still don't believe Aaron is the 6th.
Title: Re: So Aaron IS one of the Oceanic Six
Post by: Asmodean on March 28, 2008, 05:27:45 PM
He's identified in the previews for next months shows as an O6.  Look for the promos.
Title: Re: So Aaron IS one of the Oceanic Six
Post by: Gar O Mac on March 28, 2008, 06:24:25 PM
I still don't believe Aaron is the 6th.

I believe your face is one of the 6.
Title: Re: So Aaron IS one of the Oceanic Six
Post by: Gizmogrl83 on March 28, 2008, 06:49:11 PM
So all of us who can't wait to actually WATCH the show got fooled.  It's okay guys, at least we know some stuff that the others don't know.  All I know is it made me mad.  I don't want Jin to die, he is honorable. :-\
Title: Re: So Aaron IS one of the Oceanic Six
Post by: Asmodean on March 28, 2008, 06:54:04 PM
He might not be.
He could have, for one reason or another, been left on the island.

Time will tell.
Title: Re: So Aaron IS one of the Oceanic Six
Post by: JBRam on March 28, 2008, 08:56:00 PM
Sun's tears were too real for him to be just left behind.
Title: Re: So Aaron IS one of the Oceanic Six
Post by: Asmodean on March 28, 2008, 09:31:45 PM
If she knew she'd never see him again, they'd be the same as if he were dead.
Title: Re: So Aaron IS one of the Oceanic Six
Post by: JBRam on March 28, 2008, 10:28:20 PM
Possibly.
Title: Re: So Aaron IS one of the Oceanic Six
Post by: laklost on March 29, 2008, 02:16:24 PM
If she knew she'd never see him again, they'd be the same as if he were dead.

I still stay no one would tolerate an empty grave for a living loved one.  No way.
Title: Re: So Aaron IS one of the Oceanic Six
Post by: PrincessLeia on March 29, 2008, 03:38:45 PM
I still don't believe Aaron is the 6th.
They confirmed it in the podcast.
Title: Re: So Aaron IS one of the Oceanic Six
Post by: Asmodean on March 29, 2008, 05:32:55 PM
If she knew she'd never see him again, they'd be the same as if he were dead.

I still stay no one would tolerate an empty grave for a living loved one.  No way.

If it's the 'secret' and it will save lives...
Title: Re: So Aaron IS one of the Oceanic Six
Post by: laklost on March 29, 2008, 05:42:59 PM
If she knew she'd never see him again, they'd be the same as if he were dead.

I still stay no one would tolerate an empty grave for a living loved one.  No way.

If it's the 'secret' and it will save lives...

Nope.  Not with a new baby.  No.  No.  No.

(IMHO :D)                                                                                                                             
Title: Re: So Aaron IS one of the Oceanic Six
Post by: Asmodean on March 29, 2008, 05:45:08 PM
I gots a feeling it was neither of their choices.

I'd sacrifice myself though for any member of my family.
Title: Re: So Aaron IS one of the Oceanic Six
Post by: laklost on March 29, 2008, 06:09:26 PM
I gots a feeling it was neither of their choices.

I'd sacrifice myself though for any member of my family.

Right - you are the noble type.  But, for me,  if I knew Jim were alive on this earth, I would not sit at his grave and weep.  Death is too powerful, but life is even more so.
Title: Re: So Aaron IS one of the Oceanic Six
Post by: Optimus J on April 18, 2008, 04:48:59 AM
If she knew she'd never see him again, they'd be the same as if he were dead.

I still stay no one would tolerate an empty grave for a living loved one.  No way.
Yup, To have the grave as a stage, OK. To talk to Jin through the grave, too much for me. If Sun and Hugo go talk to the empty grave, then Jin is gone for good.
Title: Re: So Aaron IS one of the Oceanic Six
Post by: JBRam on April 18, 2008, 04:02:30 PM
If she knew she'd never see him again, they'd be the same as if he were dead.

I still stay no one would tolerate an empty grave for a living loved one.  No way.
Yup, To have the grave as a stage, OK. To talk to Jin through the grave, too much for me. If Sun and Hugo go talk to the empty grave, then Jin is gone for good.
Completely agree. If she wanted to talk to Jin, she wouldn't go to a grave if he's alive. The grave is a marker. She'd probably talk to something that reminds her of him personally, rather than a cold stone.

See the show for what it is, not what we want it to be.
Title: Re: So Aaron IS one of the Oceanic Six
Post by: jugdish on April 18, 2008, 07:09:52 PM
You would if you were covering up the fact that he is still alive. Hurley said it so matter of factly, "time to go" that it appeared that is planned to make a public showing of the fact.

If she wanted to keep it  a secret that he is alive, she would have to make apparances at his grave. Taking the new baby there would throw people off the track.
Title: Re: So Aaron IS one of the Oceanic Six
Post by: LostAndSeek on April 18, 2008, 07:57:39 PM
I agree. I think Jin's well being is a 50-50 shot at this point.
Title: Re: So Aaron IS one of the Oceanic Six
Post by: JBRam on April 18, 2008, 11:34:59 PM
You would if you were covering up the fact that he is still alive. Hurley said it so matter of factly, "time to go" that it appeared that is planned to make a public showing of the fact.

If she wanted to keep it  a secret that he is alive, she would have to make apparances at his grave. Taking the new baby there would throw people off the track.
I disagree with Juggy. Makes no sense that he is still alive.
Title: Re: So Aaron IS one of the Oceanic Six
Post by: Staggerlee on April 19, 2008, 12:41:46 AM
You would if you were covering up the fact that he is still alive. Hurley said it so matter of factly, "time to go" that it appeared that is planned to make a public showing of the fact.

If she wanted to keep it  a secret that he is alive, she would have to make apparances at his grave. Taking the new baby there would throw people off the track.


I still want to believe, and this passes muster, makes the grade, I ran it up the flag pole and saluted, William of Ockham said upon reading, "Wow, we've a new standard with this here logic. Lets go grab a beer, I'm a bit thirsty with all this razorin' I've been doing."
Title: Re: So Aaron IS one of the Oceanic Six
Post by: LostinLock on April 30, 2008, 01:31:58 PM
I don't believe he is dead, Jin that is
Title: Re: So Aaron IS one of the Oceanic Six
Post by: Ladybug on April 30, 2008, 01:33:13 PM
I don't believe he is dead, Jin that is
me either.