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Episode Discussion (Spoiler Free) => Season 4 => Episode 4x06 => Topic started by: Asmodean on March 07, 2008, 02:12:20 PM

Title: Widmore on video
Post by: Asmodean on March 07, 2008, 02:12:20 PM
So Ben breaks out a video tape, that somehow wasn't erased during the EMP of the Swan, of Chuck Widmore and henchmen undoubtedly killing one of his men.
Coincidently, he has another one of his men hidden away filming the entire scene.  Annie, Richard, who knows?

So, I think he probably set up man #1 as a sacrifice so that man #2 could tape it.  Blackmail would be the motive.  Send Chuck a copy with a short note saying back off or I'll turn this in to Interpol (or whoever).

That's if the person filming escaped.  Ole Chuck looked RIGHT AT THE CAMERA.  I doubt he'd want a witness.

Thoughts?
Title: Re: Widmore on video
Post by: tonysee200x on March 07, 2008, 02:19:16 PM
So Ben breaks out a video tape, that somehow wasn't erased during the EMP of the Swan, of Chuck Widmore and henchmen undoubtedly killing one of his men.
Coincidently, he has another one of his men hidden away filming the entire scene.  Annie, Richard, who knows?

So, I think he probably set up man #1 as a sacrifice so that man #2 could tape it.  Blackmail would be the motive.  Send Chuck a copy with a short note saying back off or I'll turn this in to Interpol (or whoever).

That's if the person filming escaped.  Ole Chuck looked RIGHT AT THE CAMERA.  I doubt he'd want a witness.

Thoughts?

Well if it was taped over the Red Sox tape he showed Jack when he was trying to convince him to do the back surgery, it would have been made after Swan implosion.

Regarding the other point, the tape did seem a bit convenient, even the way it and possible a setup (or just a plot device)
Title: Re: Widmore on video
Post by: Asmodean on March 07, 2008, 02:22:12 PM
Well if it was taped over the Red Sox tape he showed Jack when he was trying to convince him to do the back surgery, it would have been made after Swan implosion.

Regarding the other point, the tape did seem a bit convenient, even the way it and possible a setup (or just a plot device)

Yeah but after the EMP they lost all outside communication.  He would have had to leave the island to tape it, which is also possible.
Title: Re: Widmore on video
Post by: jugdish on March 07, 2008, 02:27:09 PM
It was in a metal safe, not affected by the emp.

Who knows, could just be bad writing.
Title: Re: Widmore on video
Post by: Asmodean on March 07, 2008, 02:29:33 PM
Could be.  I figured it to be the same tape he took and showed Jack at the Hydra.  If so it might have been on that island already.  Dunno?
Title: Re: Widmore on video
Post by: jumbotron on March 07, 2008, 02:32:59 PM
I'm thinking Ben shot that video himself.  Got a call from one of his henchmen, went to check it out.

 As for the erasing...   Juggy's right, either the metal safe saved it, it's bad writing or New Otherton is far away that it wasn't affected.

As for the lack of communication... I don't buy it, Cooper magically showed up after the swan blew up.   Bens got a way off and on and he can use it whenever he wants.
Title: Re: Widmore on video
Post by: Asmodean on March 07, 2008, 02:36:02 PM
I'm thinking that's gonna be the Orchid.
Title: Re: Widmore on video
Post by: WhatThe on March 07, 2008, 02:44:49 PM
Who was riding the bicycle upside down, that's what I wanna know!
Title: Re: Widmore on video
Post by: Asmodean on March 07, 2008, 02:46:45 PM
Background Extra.
Title: Re: Widmore on video
Post by: WhatThe on March 07, 2008, 02:57:01 PM
Background Extra.

You mean a gravity-defying background extra!!
Title: Re: Widmore on video
Post by: Asmodean on March 07, 2008, 02:58:06 PM
It's the island's casimir effect.  :D
Title: Re: Widmore on video
Post by: blueeyed2200 on March 07, 2008, 03:20:28 PM
I could be wrong, but didn't Juliet record over the Red Sox game to begin with during the episode where Jack was locked up?  From what I recall, Juliet filmed herself holding signs saying not to trust Ben and stuff like that (it's been a while, I can't really remember what all of the signs said), and then played it for Jack so that he would be aware of the situation he was in.  So if Ben ended up with the tape, I am thinking the surveillance of Widmore had to have been after that. 

On another note, that poses another problem.  If Ben does have the same tape that Juliet recorded those messages on, that could be a problem.  The whole episode "The Other Woman" centered around Juliet's affair with Goodwin and Ben's obsession with her.  He obviously purposely sent Goodwin out in the field cause he knew he would get caught and probably murdered.  At the end, Juliet made the statement about Ben coming after Jack if he finds out how she feels about Jack.  But if Ben has the same tape that she recorded those messages, then he probably already knows.   I know Ben is not in any position to do anything to Jack at this point, but maybe in the future??   
Title: Re: Widmore on video
Post by: louisianagirl76l on March 07, 2008, 03:28:57 PM
great posts....good ideas flowing here :). I thought that the video she showed Jack she said was "It's a wonderful Life" ...did I totally make that up in my head or did she actually say that? I don't know where to find that information out or if it even matters. She could have said any movie title and still used that Sox tape with her message recorded on it....I was thinking the same thing about "Uh oh now Ben saw that message" She wanted Jack to kill him...not a very sweet gesture. As fo who filmed the video I DOUBT that it was Ben..Ben never does anything for himself..he has too many sheep to do all the dirty work for him. Do we know when this tape was filmed. Could it be his "spy" on the boat ...could it be Michael? And like someone else said did that person even survie since Widmore looked at the camera right as it went off. The thing that really gets me is that Ben said he always has a plan. Which means that every single thing he does is for another reason. He has back ups upon back ups for getting himself out of trouble.
Title: Re: Widmore on video
Post by: Writers_Strike on March 07, 2008, 03:34:48 PM
I was really hoping Widmore wasn't the main guy behind the scenes. I like to be blown away by plot twist, I have to stop comming here so I will be surprised again. You people are too smart, or you put out so many theories that 1 has to be right.
Title: Re: Widmore on video
Post by: louisianagirl76l on March 07, 2008, 03:42:24 PM
I think that if I didnt do extra research on this show it would totally suck. I wouldn't know half of the things that are going on. I would indeed be LOST.
Title: Re: Widmore on video
Post by: louisianagirl76l on March 07, 2008, 03:49:48 PM
What upside down bike?? I missed that.
Title: Re: Widmore on video
Post by: Asmodean on March 07, 2008, 05:19:40 PM
What upside down bike?? I missed that.

It was spliced into the Orchid video.  Also had Hanso's building & Jacob luvs you spliced too.

I detoxed form the spoilers.  I used to read everything I could find.  It's a better ride when you're flying blind.  ;)
Title: Re: Widmore on video
Post by: Shakey on March 07, 2008, 05:29:42 PM
I'm wondering what it was that the guy did that upset Widmore so much that he personally beat the crap out of the guy.  Is it possible that Widmore discovered that information regarding the freighter was leaked to Ben?  And, how is it that the person videotaping the beat-down knew to be there at that precise time and location?  And, how is it that the video got back to Ben?  Did Charles actually let the person get away?  Would Charles have really been there alone which would give the person recording this a greater chance of getting away?

One event, many questions... welcome to the wonder that is Lost.
Title: Re: Widmore on video
Post by: Asmodean on March 07, 2008, 05:41:11 PM
That's exactly, though not in your words, what I asked.  See page 1, item 1
Title: Re: Widmore on video
Post by: Shakey on March 07, 2008, 05:46:30 PM
That's exactly, though not in your words, what I asked.  See page 1, item 1
Sorry, I did read your post.  I guess I started typing and then one thought led into another without making sure I wasn't repeating something that was already said/asked.
Title: Re: Widmore on video
Post by: Asmodean on March 07, 2008, 05:52:50 PM
I do it all the time...no probs.
Title: Re: Widmore on video
Post by: Point Place WI on March 07, 2008, 07:33:33 PM
That is an interesting take about the tape.  It has to be bad writing or Ben just put a b.s. label saying Red Sux on it. 
Title: Re: Widmore on video
Post by: laklost on March 08, 2008, 03:22:11 PM
I think the video was real, but Ben's take was a complete fabrication.  Widmore beat up Ben's man, yes.  But Widmore is not after the money the island could bring him.  We have seen Widmore interested in great men and courage.  This is not a money grubber.  Ben's a liar.
Title: Re: Widmore on video
Post by: PrincessLeia on March 08, 2008, 03:40:23 PM
The video that Juliet made asking Jack to kill Ben, she called To Kill a Mockingbird.    We never saw any scenes from the movie, however.

I'm thinking they threw in the Red Sox reference to indicate that Ben had acquired the info AFTER he showed Jack that tape.  Remember when Ben took Juliet to the Flame to show her Rachel & Julian?  Richard seemed to be recording her without her knowledge, & the feed was sent to Patchy.  While it may have not been by Richard, I'm thinking this was captured the same way.

btw- what's up with Widmore laying the smackdown anyhow?  At least have some class & send a "message" like Daddy Paik does!  sheesh.
Title: Re: Widmore on video
Post by: LostinLock on March 08, 2008, 03:54:08 PM
The fact that C dubya (W) looked right up and didn't send react;either by sending or pointing to the camera, makes me believe that he knew it and this was staged.  Not convinced that Ben and Widmore are partners in this charade.  Did Ben turn on C Dubya and that is why the deployed a team? 

Of course these are the answers we are awaiting for! 

When you look up the word duplicitous you will see Benjamin Linus in the Dharma/LOST dictionary!

We know Ben killed his own Father, the Dharma team members that were there and now after knowing all of this we are going to believe his video tape!   :'(
Title: Re: Widmore on video
Post by: laklost on March 08, 2008, 04:26:13 PM
The fact that C dubya (W) looked right up and didn't send react;either by sending or pointing to the camera, makes me believe that he knew it and this was staged.  Not convinced that Ben and Widmore are partners in this charade.  Did Ben turn on C Dubya and that is why the deployed a team? 

Of course these are the answers we are awaiting for! 

When you look up the word duplicitous you will see Benjamin Linus in the Dharma/LOST dictionary!

We know Ben killed his own Father, the Dharma team members that were there and now after knowing all of this we are going to believe his video tape!   :'(

Not me, nuh, uh, I don't believe him a bit.  :)

Welcome, Lost in Lock!
Title: Re: Widmore on video
Post by: jumbotron on March 10, 2008, 04:46:57 PM
That is an interesting take about the tape.  It has to be bad writing or Ben just put a b.s. label saying Red Sux on it. 

Red Sux... I LOVE IT
Title: Re: Widmore on video
Post by: jumbotron on March 10, 2008, 04:54:20 PM
I've been thinking about this video tape.

#1 Ben says "I taped over it"  Did he mean that literally?  He himself taped over it?

#2 The Red Sux tape was shown to Jack a day or two after The Swan blew up and the others lost communication with the outside world because of the EMP.

What I'm trying to get at is, if Ben taped over the '04 world series tape he had to left the island after the EMP or at least gotten the tape from somebody else after the EMP.  If this is correct Ben does have a communication and can leave the island when ever he leaves.

Somebody said it earlier... gotta be THE ORCHID STATION.
Title: Re: Widmore on video
Post by: dizzyb on March 10, 2008, 07:35:35 PM
i can't wait to find out who gets to see that orientation video and how it gets into the series... i mean it has to right? they can't leave that just for us addicted lostaholics and not share it with the 'normal tv viewing public'
Title: Re: Widmore on video
Post by: Asmodean on March 10, 2008, 07:37:48 PM
i can't wait to find out who gets to see that orientation video and how it gets into the series... i mean it has to right? they can't leave that just for us addicted lostaholics and not share it with the 'normal tv viewing public'

If they do, I will bring them much pain.
Title: Re: Widmore on video
Post by: LostAndSeek on March 10, 2008, 07:40:38 PM
I agree they'll probably work the Orchid video in somehow. Think the Boaties have a copy? Or should we take the announcement at Comic Con literally. If it was just found last summer, the Boaties wouldn't have it, but we could still see it this season in a flash forward.
Title: Re: Widmore on video
Post by: Asmodean on March 10, 2008, 07:43:43 PM
Found in Norway right?
Title: Re: Widmore on video
Post by: LostAndSeek on March 10, 2008, 07:45:43 PM
I believe that's right. Maybe Sayid will run across it while on a mission.
Title: Re: Widmore on video
Post by: Asmodean on March 10, 2008, 07:46:40 PM
It's gonna be a ride getting there.
Title: Re: Widmore on video
Post by: blueeyed2200 on March 12, 2008, 11:45:14 AM
Ok, so here's a thought, and if someone has already said this, I'm sorry for being redundant.  But in my opinion, I think the person holding the camera in the video had to have been someone that Widmore knew and felt comfortable with.  My other thought is that maybe the person filming had a hidden camera up there and Widmore really didn't know he was being taped.  I mean, if you are in a warehouse or something getting ready to do some dirty deeds and off one of your enemies, wouldn't you have guards or guys that are working for you in the rafters or all around protecting you??  Especially if you have the money to hire them . . . At least that's the way it works in all the movies ;-)  So my theory is that Widmore knew the person in the rafters or whatever and that the person had a hidden camera so that he didn't know he was being filmed, that would be the only way whoever was filming could have gotten away scott free and with the tape.  Thoughts??
Title: Re: Widmore on video
Post by: Writers_Strike on March 12, 2008, 01:16:15 PM
Maybe he can run really fast.