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Title: Whispers
Post by: cbw420 on March 07, 2008, 12:05:54 PM
not sure if this was brought up yet, as i have yet to look thru the threads

but i'm wondering if the whispers are some sort of transportation device

any thoughts on this after what we saw last night?
Title: Re: Whispers
Post by: Lost-N-Detroit on March 07, 2008, 12:23:44 PM
Seems that "things" do appear when the rain and whispers come. Walt comes to mind of course.
But I always kind of thought about the whispers being part of the unseen study theory. Which excuse me I would have to go way back to a posted thread on. but that back in the day there was an idea of setting up a study where the researchers of the study could not be seen. Or to some point there of....
Or then does that mean some of Ben's people can use some sort of transportation "GIZMO"? Would this lead into Walt being special?

I would like to get some audio played backwards to hear what the voices were saying.
Title: Re: Whispers
Post by: Asmodean on March 07, 2008, 12:57:17 PM
Just like when Richard appeared to lil Ben.
Title: Re: Whispers
Post by: Lost_viewer on March 07, 2008, 01:02:24 PM
not sure if this was brought up yet, as i have yet to look thru the threads

but i'm wondering if the whispers are some sort of transportation device

any thoughts on this after what we saw last night?

I totally agree with you on that.Maybe they are linked to the Temple?
Title: Re: Whispers
Post by: cbw420 on March 07, 2008, 01:09:07 PM
Just like when Richard appeared to lil Ben.

oooooo good point!!! forgot about that
Title: Re: Whispers
Post by: JMart on March 07, 2008, 02:29:58 PM
anyone have the audio backwards for this yet?
Title: Re: Whispers
Post by: Lost-N-Detroit on March 07, 2008, 03:59:14 PM
I think I know what the voices were finally saying to Juliet.

"You have 30 mins. *ding dong* Dominos!"       ;D
Title: Re: Whispers
Post by: thebeann on March 07, 2008, 04:37:45 PM
I think one of them played  backwards said, "I'm ****-ing Matt Damon."

I'm not good with these, though.
Title: Re: Whispers
Post by: Shakey on March 07, 2008, 04:57:52 PM
I was thinking that maybe the whispers were in each person's head and that they were a result of maybe Jacob reading their minds.  Jacob draws from someone's memory and presents an image known to that person in order to convey a msg to them.  The sudden appearance and disappearance supports the idea that they're nothing more than images... images that can be shared by more than one person obviously since Jack was able to see Harper.

I think it was Jacob giving Juliette instructions but stating that it is Ben who wants the deed done because it has to be someone who Juliette would listen to.  We've no evidence that Ben has psychic abilities so how could Harper have been instructed to find Juliette (at a specific location and time in the pouring rain in the middle of the jungle) while being confined by Locke.  The whispers seem to occur just before people or things appear so, IMO, it must be Jacob getting stuff done.
Title: Re: Whispers
Post by: cbw420 on March 07, 2008, 04:59:02 PM
I was thinking that maybe the whispers were in each person's head and that they were a result of maybe Jacob reading their minds.  Jacob draws from someone's memory and presents an image known to that person in order to convey a msg to them.  The sudden appearance and disappearance supports the idea that they're nothing more than images... images that can be shared by more than one person obviously since Jack was able to see Harper.

I think it was Jacob giving Juliette instructions but stating that it is Ben who wants the deed done because it has to be someone who Juliette would listen to.  We've no evidence that Ben has psychic abilities so how could Harper have been instructed to find Juliette (at a specific location and time in the pouring rain in the middle of the jungle).  The whispers seem to occur just before people or things appear so, IMO, it must be Jacob getting stuff done.

interesting, very interesting!
Title: Re: Whispers
Post by: Lost-N-Detroit on March 07, 2008, 05:11:43 PM
So then Shaky would it be similar to Hurley seeing Charlie? It was similar in fashion when Harper confronts Juliet as Hurley and Charlie just no whispers.
Title: Re: Whispers
Post by: Shakey on March 07, 2008, 05:18:38 PM
So then Shaky would it be similar to Hurley seeing Charlie? It was similar in fashion when Harper confronts Juliet as Hurley and Charlie just no whispers.
Nah.. Hurley's just nuts. ;)
Title: Re: Whispers
Post by: Staggerlee on March 07, 2008, 05:20:33 PM
I was thinking that maybe the whispers were in each person's head and that they were a result of maybe Jacob reading their minds.  Jacob draws from someone's memory and presents an image known to that person in order to convey a msg to them.  The sudden appearance and disappearance supports the idea that they're nothing more than images... images that can be shared by more than one person obviously since Jack was able to see Harper.

I think it was Jacob giving Juliette instructions but stating that it is Ben who wants the deed done because it has to be someone who Juliette would listen to.  We've no evidence that Ben has psychic abilities so how could Harper have been instructed to find Juliette (at a specific location and time in the pouring rain in the middle of the jungle) while being confined by Locke.  The whispers seem to occur just before people or things appear so, IMO, it must be Jacob getting stuff done.

Yes, Jacob or the Smoky guy, or if they're one in the same, then them...No way did Ben Send the Priscilla Presley look alike out there....
Title: Re: Whispers
Post by: Lost-N-Detroit on March 07, 2008, 05:26:56 PM
I think one of them played  backwards said, "I'm ****-ing Matt Damon."

I'm not good with these, though.

Wait Beann I have it finally. It says, " I'm F'N Ben Aflack"
Title: Re: Whispers
Post by: thebeann on March 07, 2008, 05:53:42 PM
I think one of them played  backwards said, "I'm ****-ing Matt Damon."

I'm not good with these, though.

THanks. I thought I was losin' my mind.

Wait Beann I have it finally. It says, " I'm F'N Ben Aflack"
Title: Re: Whispers
Post by: Maxor127 on March 07, 2008, 07:50:20 PM
If the whisper transcripts are to be believed at all and aren't just fake easter eggs, I'd say the whispers are dead people.
Title: Re: Whispers
Post by: Staggerlee on March 07, 2008, 07:54:40 PM
where's haley joel....?



just drunk somewhere flippin' cars....
Title: Re: Whispers
Post by: BilltheTeach on March 07, 2008, 07:55:11 PM
Does anyone know what the whispers said?
Title: Re: Whispers
Post by: Lost-N-Detroit on March 07, 2008, 07:58:16 PM
Does anyone know what the whispers said?

Look back at page one.

I beleive it said, " I'm FN Ben Aflack."     ;D
Title: Re: Whispers
Post by: thebeann on March 07, 2008, 08:21:32 PM
I believe Lost-N-Detroit is correct.  I re-watched the part with the whispers and they do indeed say "I'm FN Ben Affleck." There might be something about "This is not a man crush" too but it's really faded.

With respect, your sister Michigander
Title: Re: Whispers
Post by: Lost-N-Detroit on March 07, 2008, 08:38:21 PM
With respect, your sister Michigander
[/quote]

Orginally from the U.P. (which is considered LOST) now in LA. Where in the Hell am I?
BTW you don't happen to have a bro named Tim Bean from Brighton?
Title: Re: Whispers
Post by: thebeann on March 07, 2008, 08:52:14 PM
With respect, your sister Michigander

Orginally from the U.P. (which is considered LOST) now in LA. Where in the Hell am I?
BTW you don't happen to have a bro named Tim Bean from Brighton?
[/quote]

Nope. thebeann is actually an anagram of Beth Anne. I have four brothers but no Tim.
Title: Re: Whispers
Post by: red255 on March 07, 2008, 08:54:10 PM
not sure if this was brought up yet, as i have yet to look thru the threads

but i'm wondering if the whispers are some sort of transportation device

any thoughts on this after what we saw last night?

I totally agree with you on that.Maybe they are linked to the Temple?

what if they are somehow related to "the Box" if it can make anything appear, could be possible it can move things or people around the Island. Maybe "the box" is at the temple.
Title: Re: Whispers
Post by: Staggerlee on March 07, 2008, 08:57:56 PM
i like that theory, one that does not require deep extensive Lost knowledge to figure, for you average viewer whose not addicted to forums and such..
Title: Re: Whispers
Post by: cbw420 on March 07, 2008, 11:57:15 PM
not sure if this was brought up yet, as i have yet to look thru the threads

but i'm wondering if the whispers are some sort of transportation device

any thoughts on this after what we saw last night?

I totally agree with you on that.Maybe they are linked to the Temple?

what if they are somehow related to "the Box" if it can make anything appear, could be possible it can move things or people around the Island. Maybe "the box" is at the temple.

i'm not sold on the box, i think that was metaphoric for "you dont know what i can do, or what i'm capable of like miles does"
Title: Re: Whispers
Post by: ericd543 on March 08, 2008, 02:30:43 AM
I don't think time travel occurs physically on LOST island but mentally. What makes time travel different from vividly remembering the past or imagining the future?   I think the whispers are information from another time.
Title: Re: Whispers
Post by: LostAndSeek on March 08, 2008, 07:51:07 AM
Well, what makes it different is that you can at least briefly change the past and it can kill you....

As for the Whispers, heck, this is as good a guess as any. We just don't know.
Title: Re: Whispers
Post by: Ladybug on March 08, 2008, 02:19:59 PM
seriously, wth did the whispers say?
Title: Re: Whispers
Post by: nomteticus on March 08, 2008, 04:59:40 PM
I think the whispers are connected to Jacob (see my other post  http://lost.cubit.net/forum/index.php?topic=7441.msg363423#msg363423 )

My theory is that Jacob is tied to that cabin of his and cannot move (maybe he is imprisoned - hence the "Help Me"), but he sends others to do his chores (The Others kidnapping the kids and so on) with his, shall we say, blessings (the whispers). He can also manipulate energy in order to appear as people (as I think he did with Harper) - whispers again. I know it's vague, but it's all I can think of right now.

Title: Re: Whispers
Post by: LostAndSeek on March 08, 2008, 07:26:42 PM
LB, Lostpedia keeps transcripts of the whispers. I dunno if they have this episode's up yet, but they've got all the previous ones. Interesting reading.
Title: Re: Whispers
Post by: Hurley rocks dudes on March 08, 2008, 07:33:44 PM
dont think that the box is real, just another metaphor used by Ben to confuse Locke. by the way, the end of the episode was hilarious, when Ben told Sawyer and Hurley that he would see them at dinner :D
Title: Re: Whispers
Post by: PrincessLeia on March 09, 2008, 03:10:14 AM
If the whisper transcripts are to be believed at all and aren't just fake easter eggs, I'd say the whispers are dead people.
Dead or "mostly dead" people.
Title: Re: Whispers
Post by: Creflo on March 09, 2008, 10:56:06 PM
Quote
Jacob draws from someone's memory and presents an image known to that person in order to convey a msg to them.
I've liked this idear to explain the appearances of the people AFTER the whispers.  I believe that the whispers themselves are a result of a door being opened by this process and are not produced by the same cause.  In other words, it's like a remnant.
Title: Re: Whispers
Post by: T Mack on March 10, 2008, 06:00:23 PM
Quote
Jacob draws from someone's memory and presents an image known to that person in order to convey a msg to them.
I've liked this idear to explain the appearances of the people AFTER the whispers.  I believe that the whispers themselves are a result of a door being opened by this process and are not produced by the same cause.  In other words, it's like a remnant.
Wouldn't it be more like a 'cause and effect' than a remnant?  i.e, 'other world' gets opened to let Harper through to communicate to Juliet, and when that door gets opened, the sounds of the people behind the door escape out into this world.
Title: Re: Whispers
Post by: Gar O Mac on March 10, 2008, 06:20:00 PM
If the "things" that we see are indeed Jacob, then maybe the sounds aren't whispers at all, but the sound of Jacob reading through peoples memories to figure out what he should appear as.   
Title: Re: Whispers
Post by: Asmodean on March 10, 2008, 07:26:50 PM
Funny how it seemed to scan Juliet (flashes) when she was with Kate.  Like it had never seen her before, when we know she's been there at least 3 years.
Title: Re: Whispers
Post by: LostAndSeek on March 10, 2008, 07:32:47 PM
Well, she's been inside that sonic fence the vast majority of the time....
Title: Re: Whispers
Post by: dizzyb on March 10, 2008, 07:38:51 PM
and smokie has had no reason to scan her before now... I mean not everyone has seen smokie - only a select few... not because they found smokie or just stumbled across it... Smokie actively seeks thos it wants to scan. For what reason and for what outcome is still in the minds of tptb.
Title: Re: Whispers
Post by: Asmodean on March 10, 2008, 07:42:08 PM
Well, she's been inside that sonic fence the vast majority of the time....

As far as we know, so far.  SHe hasn't exactly been forthcoming about everything she knows.  I don't trust her.  BURN HER...SHE'S A WITCH!  :o
Title: Re: Whispers
Post by: LostAndSeek on March 10, 2008, 07:42:23 PM
I dunno, Dizzy, it could be that part of Smokie's job is to scan about everybody it comes across. Hard to say at this point.
Title: Re: Whispers
Post by: dizzyb on March 10, 2008, 07:44:57 PM
I dunno, Dizzy, it could be that part of Smokie's job is to scan about everybody it comes across. Hard to say at this point.
there's been so many jungle expeditions by our losties though.. you would think they would all be coming back to camp with smokie stories....
Title: Re: Whispers
Post by: LostAndSeek on March 10, 2008, 07:52:09 PM
Well, that's a point. Sayid in particular has traveled far and wide. You'd think he'd've had an encounter by now, so maybe you're right! Or maybe Smokie just doesn't come out all that often.
Title: Re: Whispers
Post by: dizzyb on March 10, 2008, 07:53:29 PM
hot press::: this just in... one of the whispers has been translated as follows.....


"Monsters out dere, leakin in here, all sinkin an no power? When are yousa tinkin wesa in trouble?! "




 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Whispers
Post by: Asmodean on March 10, 2008, 08:09:47 PM
hot press::: this just in... one of the whispers has been translated as follows.....


"Monsters out dere, leakin in here, all sinkin an no power? When are yousa tinkin wesa in trouble?! "

 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

NOOOOOOOO!  That's worse than Ewoks!  :-[
Title: Re: Whispers
Post by: Hurley rocks dudes on March 10, 2008, 09:14:42 PM
hot press::: this just in... one of the whispers has been translated as follows.....


"Monsters out dere, leakin in here, all sinkin an no power? When are yousa tinkin wesa in trouble?! "

 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

NOOOOOOOO!  That's worse than Ewoks!  :-[

next thing you know we'll have Jawas running around trying to salvage blown up equipment from the hatch... :)
Title: Re: Whispers
Post by: Asmodean on March 10, 2008, 10:14:27 PM
Now you're scaring me dude!
Title: Re: Whispers
Post by: JMart on March 10, 2008, 11:39:12 PM
the fact that no one knows what they said pisses me off
Title: Re: Whispers
Post by: Tominrichardson on March 11, 2008, 02:55:12 PM
The ODI is posting the transcripts here:

http://the-odi.blogspot.com/2008/03/episode-4x06-other-woman-transcript-of.html (http://the-odi.blogspot.com/2008/03/episode-4x06-other-woman-transcript-of.html)
Title: Re: Whispers
Post by: cbw420 on March 11, 2008, 04:52:08 PM
The ODI is posting the transcripts here:

http://the-odi.blogspot.com/2008/03/episode-4x06-other-woman-transcript-of.html (http://the-odi.blogspot.com/2008/03/episode-4x06-other-woman-transcript-of.html)

can anyone copy and paste this?? i am blocked from work
Title: Re: Whispers
Post by: jugdish on March 11, 2008, 04:56:15 PM
The ODI is posting the transcripts here:

http://the-odi.blogspot.com/2008/03/episode-4x06-other-woman-transcript-of.html (http://the-odi.blogspot.com/2008/03/episode-4x06-other-woman-transcript-of.html)

can anyone copy and paste this?? i am blocked from work

Ditto
Title: Re: Whispers
Post by: Ladybug on March 11, 2008, 04:59:59 PM
The ODI is posting the transcripts here:

http://the-odi.blogspot.com/2008/03/episode-4x06-other-woman-transcript-of.html (http://the-odi.blogspot.com/2008/03/episode-4x06-other-woman-transcript-of.html)

can anyone copy and paste this?? i am blocked from work

Ditto
tri-ditto
Title: Re: Whispers
Post by: matahari on March 11, 2008, 05:01:00 PM
Whispers in "The Other Woman"

Right before Juliet runs into Harper in the jungle:

"Sarah is having another..."
"Is that the other woman?"


Right when Juliet runs into Harper in the jungle:

"Look out"
"Sarah is having another..."
"Did you hear that?
"If she won't save us then who is?"
"Sarah, somebody's coming."
Male: There is somebody coming
Female: Hold on one second
Male: There is somebody coming

---Juliet sees Jack---

After Jack runs into Juliet and Harper:

Male "Sarah it's someone we know, Sarah it's someone we know"
Female "I'm not answering"
Male- answer them
"We have our answer"
"Can we trust her"

Finally, a very faint whisper can be heard right before Juliet uses the pulley door contraption at the Tempest Station.

"Its Juliet"

Source: J@The ODI
Title: Re: Whispers
Post by: nomteticus on March 11, 2008, 08:50:43 PM
Not sure if this qualifies as spoilers, but WOW!
That raises a lot of questions:

1. Who is Sarah? Sarah is having another what? Baby, vision, seisure, what?

2. Is the thing shapeshifting as Harper a conglomerate of people (WE, save US) ? Is Jacob a collective ghost? The ghost of the pirates or an earlier one?

3. Why do they call Juliet "The other woman"? If she is the other woman, who is the first one? If she isn't, who are the women reffered to?

etc.
Title: Re: Whispers
Post by: Asmodean on March 11, 2008, 08:52:33 PM
The only Sarah I recall is Jack's ex.  Maybe she was doing shots.
Title: Re: Whispers
Post by: nomteticus on March 11, 2008, 08:59:09 PM
Lostpedia: Sarah, a nickname Christian used for Ana-Lucia

Both are dead and their bodies are on the island...
Title: Re: Whispers
Post by: Asmodean on March 11, 2008, 09:07:16 PM
That's right.  Nice catch!
Title: Re: Whispers
Post by: matahari on March 11, 2008, 09:27:17 PM
I always thought the whispers came from some sort of monitoring station. But all the hatches are being eliminated. The flame blew up, the swan imploded, the looking glass flooded, the hydra was exposed, the tempest is a "power plant," the pearl and the arrow were abandoned. We pretty much know what the orchid does and it doesn't seem to imply parapsychology or telepathy of any kind. What station is left?!

Title: Re: Whispers
Post by: Asmodean on March 11, 2008, 09:40:57 PM
http://lostpedia.com/wiki/DHARMA_Logos#Unidentified_.22Psychology.22_Logo

These.
Title: Re: Whispers
Post by: LostAndSeek on March 11, 2008, 09:43:05 PM
Lostpedia: Sarah, a nickname Christian used for Ana-Lucia

Both are dead and their bodies are on the island...

Yeah, very nice. Many of the whispers sound like they're regurgitations of captured memories, maybe even consciousnesses. In addition, sometimes the animals seem to speak (Hurley bird, Sawyer's boar) or weakened people seem to speak in similar voices (Sawyer channeling Kate's dad). Perhaps brief possession of a sort?

We know from Des's time travel that a consciousness is somewhat independent of a body. If Miles really can communicate with ghosts, well, what's a ghost but a consciousness bereft of a body. Perhaps the special electromagnetic properties of the Island make it easier for disembodied consciousnesses to hang around longer than usual.

Forget Miles meeting Jacob, I wanna see him run into the Whispers.
Title: Re: Whispers
Post by: Asmodean on March 11, 2008, 09:44:50 PM
That'd be cool!  You're right though, I always thought of them as dead spirits.
Title: Re: Whispers
Post by: matahari on March 11, 2008, 10:37:29 PM
http://lostpedia.com/wiki/DHARMA_Logos#Unidentified_.22Psychology.22_Logo

These.
Thank you! completely forgot about the staff. How many stations are there? Have TPTB said?
We've got 9 so far.
Title: Re: Whispers
Post by: Asmodean on March 11, 2008, 10:42:25 PM
Not that I've heard.  Some are probably from the ARGs and we may never see them.
Title: Re: Whispers
Post by: matahari on March 12, 2008, 12:51:29 AM
I'm thinking 13-15. But who knows.
Title: Re: Whispers
Post by: casino on March 12, 2008, 09:45:00 AM
There certainly seem to be a lot more than the 6 or 8 originally thought.
Title: Re: Whispers
Post by: Walkabout on March 12, 2008, 09:46:59 AM
There certainly seem to be a lot more than the 6 or 8 originally thought.
Dead on balls accurate statement. Did we read to much into the blast door map? I did.
Title: Re: Whispers
Post by: PrincessLeia on March 12, 2008, 07:37:26 PM
http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Stations

They list the Arrow, Staff, Swan, Flame, Pearl, Orchid, Hydra, Looking Glass, Tempest, & possibly others (including the Door) from the blast door map (which is now my desktop wallpaper). :) 
Title: Re: Whispers
Post by: Lost-N-Detroit on March 13, 2008, 04:49:57 PM
The blast Door Map always showed more possible stations. These were stations that Kelvin or Radsinsky never found but asumed that they were there.
These are noted on the Blast Door Map.