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Title: Widmore (the economist)
Post by: Blackrock Bob on March 06, 2008, 11:19:57 PM
I forgot how many people kept saying that Widmore was behind the freighter.
Widmore seems to have been behind Desmond's crash now, like people have been saying for years.
How safe will Desmond be on the boat now? I have a feeling that Widmore will continue to manipulate Des.
Title: Re: Widmore (the economist)
Post by: hyperform on March 06, 2008, 11:21:36 PM
I forgot how many people kept saying that Widmore was behind the freighter.
Widmore seems to have been behind Desmond's crash now, like people have been saying for years.
How safe will Desmond be on the boat now? I have a feeling that Widmore will continue to manipulate Des.

i was a little dissapointed that weve had this figured out for some time now
Title: Re: Widmore (the economist)
Post by: LouE68 on March 06, 2008, 11:30:30 PM
I forgot how many people kept saying that Widmore was behind the freighter.
Widmore seems to have been behind Desmond's crash now, like people have been saying for years.
How safe will Desmond be on the boat now? I have a feeling that Widmore will continue to manipulate Des.
The sad thing, is although it is a cool reveal, it still doesnt shed much light....
Title: Re: Widmore (the economist)
Post by: jumbotron on March 06, 2008, 11:34:40 PM
Widmore seems to have been behind Desmond's crash now, like people have been saying for years.
How safe will Desmond be on the boat now? I have a feeling that Widmore will continue to manipulate Des.

If Widmore didn't know how to get to the island till now how is he behind Desmonds crash?  I'm not saying he's not... I totally believe he is, just doesn't make much sense.

On a side note if we believe Widmore is behind Des' crash, then he's probably behind Henry Gale's crash too.
Title: Re: Widmore (the economist)
Post by: Point Place WI on March 06, 2008, 11:37:07 PM
Widmore seems to have been behind Desmond's crash now, like people have been saying for years.
How safe will Desmond be on the boat now? I have a feeling that Widmore will continue to manipulate Des.

If Widmore didn't know how to get to the island till now how is he behind Desmonds crash?  I'm not saying he's not... I totally believe he is, just doesn't make much sense.

On a side note if we believe Widmore is behind Des' crash, then he's probably behind Henry Gale's crash too.

Absolutely behind Henry Gale's crash.  good call
Title: Re: Widmore (the economist)
Post by: LouE68 on March 06, 2008, 11:39:59 PM
thats been discussed for awhile too...Henry Gail....Widmore put the idea in Des head about the race around the world....
Title: Re: Widmore (the economist)
Post by: T Mack on March 06, 2008, 11:41:25 PM
Quote
The sad thing, is although it is a cool reveal, it still doesnt shed much light

Other than the computer with the gas levels and the new station, neither did the entire episode.
Title: Re: Widmore (the economist)
Post by: Bostonlost on March 06, 2008, 11:54:25 PM
But what about time line ?  Widmore buys black rock book,picture..etc 1996

When does Desmod go on that race? How long was he on the Island for?
Title: Re: Widmore (the economist)
Post by: Blackrock Bob on March 06, 2008, 11:57:58 PM
Desmond has been on the island for 3 years, so he crashed around 1998.
Title: Re: Widmore (the economist)
Post by: jugdish on March 07, 2008, 12:00:43 AM
I do not think he is behind the "crash" but that Widmore sent him to find the island.
Title: Re: Widmore (the economist)
Post by: tonysee200x on March 07, 2008, 12:04:09 AM
Desmond has been on the island for 3 years, so he crashed around 1998.

Wouldn't three years make it 2001?
Title: Re: Widmore (the economist)
Post by: this is some crazy stuff on March 07, 2008, 12:04:28 AM
Libby was probably also working for Widmore,  And has been discussed that she could be Pennys step sister or something to that effect.  But she gave the boat to Des.  Maybe there is a tracking device or something in the boat.

Also when we see her in the crazy house, maybe she is not watching Hurley but watching the guy that knows the numbers.
Title: Re: Widmore (the economist)
Post by: Point Place WI on March 07, 2008, 12:05:05 AM
I do not think he is behind the "crash" but that Widmore sent him to find the island.
Yeah what jug said.  I just said it wrong.  Gale was sent there by Widmore but the reason he crashed is TBD. 
Title: Re: Widmore (the economist)
Post by: JMart on March 07, 2008, 12:06:01 AM
Desmond has been on the island for 3 years, so he crashed around 1998.

Wouldn't three years make it 2001?

lol......word
Title: Re: Widmore (the economist)
Post by: Bostonlost on March 07, 2008, 12:07:39 AM
THis is why time travel Idea's are tough....
Title: Re: Widmore (the economist)
Post by: jugdish on March 07, 2008, 12:12:56 AM
I think Widmore set up Des and organized Libby to give him the boat. He could of screwed up the navigational system. But that also menas she was planed to be on the plane, or just an amazing coincidence.
Title: Re: Widmore (the economist)
Post by: LouE68 on March 07, 2008, 12:13:33 AM
Libby was probably also working for Widmore,  And has been discussed that she could be Pennys step sister or something to that effect.  But she gave the boat to Des.  Maybe there is a tracking device or something in the boat.

Also when we see her in the crazy house, maybe she is not watching Hurley but watching the guy that knows the numbers.
Now thats a cool theory... :)
Title: Re: Widmore (the economist)
Post by: Maxor127 on March 07, 2008, 12:25:03 AM
So how does Desmond getting stuck on the island help Widmore find it?  Why didn't he send a group of specialists if he was so interested.

Anyways, I was a bit disappointed by the whole Widmore thing.  Especially his motives... basically greed to exploit the island for gullible people.  Seems like a bad James Bond plot.  I hope Widmore isn't really top dog and that someone else is pulling his strings.
Title: Re: Widmore (the economist)
Post by: jugdish on March 07, 2008, 12:34:02 AM
Not saying it helps him find it. It was more that he was a sacraficial lamb. Send someone I hate and see if he can get to the island. He knows the general area but can't get there safetly. He sent Desmond but could not track him there. Sent Henry Gale but he could not survive.

Just a theory off the top of my head.
Title: Re: Widmore (the economist)
Post by: *MaZ* on March 07, 2008, 12:40:41 AM
Anyways, I was a bit disappointed by the whole Widmore thing.  Especially his motives... basically greed to exploit the island for gullible people.  Seems like a bad James Bond plot.  I hope Widmore isn't really top dog and that someone else is pulling his strings.
Agreed, but I don't buy it. I think Widmore's reasons for wanting the island are not what Ben told John. Ben lies. A lot.
Title: Re: Widmore (the economist)
Post by: LouE68 on March 07, 2008, 12:46:22 AM
Not saying it helps him find it. It was more that he was a sacraficial lamb. Send someone I hate and see if he can get to the island. He knows the general area but can't get there safetly. He sent Desmond but could not track him there. Sent Henry Gale but he could not survive.

Just a theory off the top of my head.
just to add to your theory...he could have tracked it, but lost the track...any numerous reasons to have lost the tracking device...the storm, the anomoly take your pick...same for Henry Gale...maybe they knew the troble with mechanical means of entering the area f the island...a balloon? again the same problems with the tracking device...
Title: Re: Widmore (the economist)
Post by: Bostonlost on March 07, 2008, 02:41:13 AM
Could Libby be some type of a "Talent Scout"....Working for Widmore?

I mean Widmore puts this crack team together with the help of the "Oceanic Lawyer" to find the Island and kill Ben

Libby is in the funny farm with Hurly and is on the plane and gives Des the boat
Title: Re: Widmore (the economist)
Post by: WhatThe on March 07, 2008, 02:56:11 AM
Concocting a fake sailing race in order to hopefully get Desmond to maybe think winning the race would help him in Widmore's eyes...then getting Libby to somehow get into a conversation with Des in a coffee shop, and somehow steer the convo towards sailing so that she could offer Desmond a boat, a boat that Widmore placed a tracking device on, and hopefully Desmond will say "yes" and accept it. All in order to trick Desmond into hopefully maybe possibly finding the island mentioned in the Black Rock pirate ship journal he just bought. Because instead of using the best nautical engineers and researchers and scientists and experienced sailers that his billions can buy to sail out and try and discover the island, he'd rather use his daughter's goofy loser boyfriend as a guinea pig and just float his ass in the general direction of where he thinks the island might be.

If that's what the writers had in mind in explaining Desmond ending up on the island, they've done a piss poor job of it.

It would be sooooooooooo damn much more satisfying if there really WAS a sailing race sponsored by Widmore, and that Desmond decided to enter it and win the man's own race as some melodramatic attempt to "prove" himself to Penny's dad (and to himself, as it goes). Libby and Des crossing paths in the coffee shop would not be a mere coincidence, but neither would it be a plant by Widmore. This show's philosophy is that there are no "mere coincidences", that all our lives cross and re-cross in ways you'd never think about or realize but which turn out to be important. Within that philosophy Libby wouldn't have to be "sent" to give Desmond the boat...it would have been "fate" that she were to give it to him.

So Desmond accepts the boat from a grieving Libby...sets off on the race around the world...only to crash onto the very same island Daddy Widmore has been searching for years, even decades maybe, to find. Think about it...Mr. Widmore is spending millions of dollars and years of energy and research to try and find the island, and his daughter's goofy loser boyfriend just stumbles upon it without even trying lol...that would HAVE to be galling to Mr. Widmore.

And maybe Widmore finds out later through his connections that Desmond is on the island (like maybe Kelvin reports back to his people in the real world at some point, and tells them that a man named Desmond washed up on shore and is now pushing the button with him). Widmore keeps it secret from Penny (he still doesn't like Des, afterall), but Penny eventually discovers it on her own (as was mentioned last week, maybe she's snooping around, maybe she overhears a conversation...something like that). So while Daddy Widmore is conducting his search for the island for evil purposes, Penny starts her own secret search for the island in order to find Desmond.

Eventually, Desmond turns the fail safe key ("I love you Penny.."), the island is "visible" for a quick moment, and both Daddy Widmore's search team AND Penny's search team detect it. Mr. Widmore sends the freighter to the general location of the detection, but Penny doesn't know about it ("not Penny's boat"). Once she and Charlie connect and he tells her that Desmond is on the island and safe, Penny becomes even more energized to find him. Charlie informs Penny of the boat, telling her that Desmond thinks she sent it...she has no clue about any boat but quickly realizes it might be her father's. After the transmission is lost, now Penny knows two things: Des is alive, and that there's a boat nearby that might have something to do with her father. She quickly discovers that good ol' dad did indeed send a freighter out to the area that her team detected the signal from, and gets the number (?) to the boat, and starts calling like crazy. Unfortunately for her, the crew was already ordered to ignore any and all calls that may be from her should they receive any (Mr. Widmore most likely found out about her separate search for the island and Des, and gave this order to the freighter as a precaution ahead of time).

Anyway, that's a more straight forward (and longer lol) explanation of how Des ended up on the island (and everything else that came afterwards). It's a scenario I would prefer over the "Fake Widmore sailing race/Libby is a plant/Tracking device on boat/Let's send Desmond, he'll do anything" scenario.
Title: Re: Widmore (the economist)
Post by: Bostonlost on March 07, 2008, 03:18:10 AM
It is a real race.

This is the Race it is called the BOC challeng I have posted it before I know sailing and I know the race it is held every 4 years
http://www.sevenoceans.com/SoloAroundTheWorld/AroundAlone98_99/AroundAlone19981999.htm (http://www.sevenoceans.com/SoloAroundTheWorld/AroundAlone98_99/AroundAlone19981999.htm)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VELUX_5_Oceans_Race (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VELUX_5_Oceans_Race)
Title: Re: Widmore (the economist)
Post by: LouE68 on March 07, 2008, 04:22:18 AM
We also know they have the technology to travel ahead in time to see the future ;)
Title: Re: Widmore (the economist)
Post by: Suzanne4au2 on March 07, 2008, 09:25:06 AM
I think Ben and Widmore are in cahoots (i hate that word). But I can just see them being partners in this somehow. ::)
Title: Re: Widmore (the economist)
Post by: Austruck on March 07, 2008, 11:14:18 AM
WhatThe's post above puts it in good, clear terms. Nice work.  :)
Title: Re: Widmore (the economist)
Post by: Asmodean on March 07, 2008, 01:18:24 PM
Ben seems to be somewhat of an economist when he's off island.  Hmmmm.
Title: Re: Widmore (the economist)
Post by: LostAndSeek on March 07, 2008, 06:50:41 PM
I don't think Widmore had anything to do with Des crashing. I'll keep an open mind as to whether Daddy had anything to do with Libby. I could see him wanting to give Des enough rope to hang himself. Sure, try the race, you twit, and when you fail it'll just confirm my opinion of you.

Given that Ben is honesty challenged, I'm still not sure Widmore's behind the boat. I think he is, but I wouldn't consider this confirmed as yet. If he is, it could be just greed, but it also could be health benefits. He's gettin' along in years.
Title: Re: Widmore (the economist)
Post by: hyperform on March 10, 2008, 01:07:18 AM
I don't think Widmore had anything to do with Des crashing. I'll keep an open mind as to whether Daddy had anything to do with Libby. I could see him wanting to give Des enough rope to hang himself. Sure, try the race, you twit, and when you fail it'll just confirm my opinion of you.

Given that Ben is honesty challenged, I'm still not sure Widmore's behind the boat. I think he is, but I wouldn't consider this confirmed as yet. If he is, it could be just greed, but it also could be health benefits. He's gettin' along in years.

well from what weve seen before widmore is not aversed to violence. so if he wanted to get desmond out of the picture, why not just drag him somewhere secluded and beat him to death. there is something much more foul afoot when it comes to widmores relationship with desmond.
Title: Re: Widmore (the economist)
Post by: opgelost on March 10, 2008, 05:56:33 AM
I think Desmond's whole life is a big set up.
Brother Campbell, a friend of Ms. Hawkins (photo) finds him and fires him from the monastery just when Widmore sends Penny to get wine, saying Desmond was meant for a greater purpose. 
When he wants to marry Penny Ms. Hawkins make him change his mind, not Charles Widmore, because he needs to go to the island and push the button to save the world.
Libby gives him the boat.

On the island Desmond causes the oceanic crash by not pushing the button in time. As a consequence the swan implodes and Widmore finds the island. Widmore knew that Desmond would do anything to get back to Penny. He don't want him dead, he just uses him to find the island. Desmond himself was the tracking system.

So Desmonds destiny was going to the island and do what he did, so that every single one of us will live.
He doesn't push the button anymore and the world still exist. So his destiny was to make the island visible to Widmore. 
 
Title: Re: Widmore (the economist)
Post by: opgelost on March 10, 2008, 06:04:07 AM
It's a long con.
Title: Re: Widmore (the economist)
Post by: PrincessLeia on March 10, 2008, 04:34:37 PM
I agree that it's a long con....by the universe!
Title: Re: Widmore (the economist)
Post by: dizzyb on March 10, 2008, 07:40:10 PM
now there's a pessimist if ever i saw one!! ;)
Title: Re: Widmore (the economist)
Post by: Asmodean on March 10, 2008, 07:45:24 PM
I agree that it's a long con....by the universe!

Just like real life huh!
Title: Re: Widmore (the economist)
Post by: PrincessLeia on March 10, 2008, 07:47:02 PM
Pretty much! LOL 

Wait...you mean Lost isn't real?  Dude- you just killed my Santa Claus. :'(
Title: Re: Widmore (the economist)
Post by: Asmodean on March 10, 2008, 07:49:32 PM
Lost is real...what's this about Santa though?
Title: Re: Widmore (the economist)
Post by: PrincessLeia on March 10, 2008, 07:50:50 PM
Lost is real...what's this about Santa though?
:-X uuuhh....YEAH...so I'm thinking that WIdmore is the economist.  What do you guys think? ;D
Title: Re: Widmore (the economist)
Post by: LostAndSeek on March 10, 2008, 07:55:10 PM
Certainly possible, Leia, or perhaps the Economist's boss.
Title: Re: Widmore (the economist)
Post by: Asmodean on March 10, 2008, 07:56:09 PM
Yes to both...or it's Ben
Title: Re: Widmore (the economist)
Post by: dizzyb on March 10, 2008, 07:56:42 PM
tell you what... I'm checking the easter bunny when he come to visit me... if there's a big ole "15" stamped on his fluffy butt I'm gonna freak!
Title: Re: Widmore (the economist)
Post by: Hurley rocks dudes on March 10, 2008, 07:56:50 PM
that makes sense. Sayid's trying to get to him while working for Ben and he is Ben's enemy so i would think so.
Title: Re: Widmore (the economist)
Post by: opgelost on March 11, 2008, 08:27:09 AM
Does Widmore speak German?
Title: Re: Widmore (the economist)
Post by: Asmodean on March 11, 2008, 01:06:08 PM
Not that we've ever heard or seen.
Title: Re: Widmore (the economist)
Post by: PrincessLeia on March 11, 2008, 01:44:21 PM
Does Widmore speak German?
Elsa spoke in English while on the phone with her boss.
Title: Re: Widmore (the economist)
Post by: opgelost on March 11, 2008, 02:39:36 PM
I checked, but she spoke German with her boss on the phone.
Du salst mich doch um zen uhr dreizig....
Title: Re: Widmore (the economist)
Post by: PrincessLeia on March 11, 2008, 02:45:14 PM
Oh sorry- good memory.  :)
Title: Re: Widmore (the economist)
Post by: forgetregret on March 11, 2008, 03:33:01 PM
I don't remember clearly, but weren't they in Prague? Or did she say her boss was German? I'm confused!  ???
Title: Re: Widmore (the economist)
Post by: doubleon19 on March 11, 2008, 04:40:32 PM
I don't remember clearly, but weren't they in Prague? Or did she say her boss was German? I'm confused!  ???
She didn't say that he was German only thet he came to Germany only a few times a year...They were in Germany
Title: Re: Widmore (the economist)
Post by: matahari on March 11, 2008, 04:44:12 PM
It was definitely Berlin. She mentioned Hotel Adlon. I've been there. Its a swanky hotel. the one Michael Jackson dangled his baby off of. It looks right at the Brandenburg Gate.
Title: Re: Widmore (the economist)
Post by: matahari on March 11, 2008, 06:08:09 PM
It was definitely Berlin. She mentioned Hotel Adlon. I've been there. Its a swanky hotel. the one Michael Jackson dangled his baby off of. It looks right at the Brandenburg Gate.

Sorry I was wrong. They are in Berlin but she mentions Potsdamer Platz not Hotel Adlon.
Title: Re: Widmore (the economist)
Post by: Asmodean on March 11, 2008, 06:59:20 PM
It was definitely Berlin. She mentioned Hotel Adlon. I've been there. Its a swanky hotel. the one Michael Jackson dangled his baby off of. It looks right at the Brandenburg Gate.

Sorry I was wrong. They are in Berlin but she mentions Potsdamer Platz not Hotel Adlon.

Could've been the Alliance?  It's located in Potsdam Square and is a baseball throw from the Adlon.
Title: Re: Widmore (the economist)
Post by: matahari on March 11, 2008, 09:10:04 PM
Yes they are very close to each other. Both are near the Berlin Wall, hence the cafe's name is Der Mauer. Interesting, two parties in conflict with one another straddling a fine line. The Losties vs. the others, Hanso vs. Widmore?,  West Berlin vs. East Berlin. Hmmm...

As for the Hotel I think that was a reference from a Bourne movie I remembered incorrectly. Oops.
Title: Re: Widmore (the economist)
Post by: PrincessLeia on March 11, 2008, 09:11:22 PM
Yes they are very close to each other. Both are near the Berlin Wall, hence the cafe's name is Der Mauer. Interesting, two parties in conflict with one another straddling a fine line. The Losties vs. the others, Hanso vs. Widmore?,  West Berlin vs. East Berlin. Hmmm...

As for the Hotel I think that was a reference from a Bourne movie I remembered incorrectly. Oops.
Nice call....that was noted on the enhanced episode. :)
Title: Re: Widmore (the economist)
Post by: Asmodean on March 11, 2008, 09:12:24 PM
Enhanced Watcher...SHE'S A WITCH--BURN HER! :D
Title: Re: Widmore (the economist)
Post by: Hurley rocks dudes on March 11, 2008, 09:27:24 PM
and she turned me into a newt!!!

...what?


... I got better.
Title: Re: Widmore (the economist)
Post by: Asmodean on March 11, 2008, 09:39:24 PM
Obscure Classical Reference!
Title: Re: Widmore (the economist)
Post by: Hurley rocks dudes on March 11, 2008, 09:40:52 PM
i had to do it, i just saw Spamalot a couple of weeks ago ;D
Title: Re: Widmore (the economist)
Post by: Asmodean on March 11, 2008, 09:41:45 PM
I luv those guys!
Title: Re: Widmore (the economist)
Post by: Hurley rocks dudes on March 11, 2008, 09:49:05 PM
it was the funniest thing i have ever seen in my life :D
Title: Re: Widmore (the economist)
Post by: matahari on March 11, 2008, 10:30:06 PM
Obscure Monty Python references aside, Could the economist have been Ben testing Sayid/Elsa's loyalties? We know Ben was in Geneva and most likely speaks German. As for Widmore, he seems like he has an elite british education and would probably have learned German among other languages. I assume both men are polyglots.
Title: Re: Widmore (the economist)
Post by: forgetregret on March 11, 2008, 11:00:25 PM
I don't remember clearly, but weren't they in Prague? Or did she say her boss was German? I'm confused!  ???
She didn't say that he was German only thet he came to Germany only a few times a year...They were in Germany


Oh, that clears things up a bit. Thanks!
Title: Re: Widmore (the economist)
Post by: matahari on March 12, 2008, 12:49:16 AM
So how does Desmond getting stuck on the island help Widmore find it?  Why didn't he send a group of specialists if he was so interested.

Anyways, I was a bit disappointed by the whole Widmore thing.  Especially his motives... basically greed to exploit the island for gullible people.  Seems like a bad James Bond plot.  I hope Widmore isn't really top dog and that someone else is pulling his strings.

Everyone has a boss. Everyone reports to someone.

Widmore is relying on Penny to find the Island. He, indirectly, sent Desmond on the solo race. Widmore sent Desmond on the race with ulterior motives. He knew that Penny would find Des eventually and lead him to the Island.
Title: Re: Widmore (the economist)
Post by: LostAndSeek on March 12, 2008, 05:39:02 PM
Sorry, maybe I'm misunderstanding. Widmore can't get to the Island, but he knows how to get Des there?
Title: Re: Widmore (the economist)
Post by: matahari on March 12, 2008, 10:18:23 PM
Sorry, maybe I'm misunderstanding. Widmore can't get to the Island, but he knows how to get Des there?

Perhaps Widmore once had means of accessing the Island but never needed to. perhaps he now has reason to but cannot. It seems there has been a lot of conflict between the others and their sponsors. There also seems to have been a lot internal conflict within the others (on and off the Island) hierarchical structure.

Widmore could have sent the Desmond to the Island in 1998-2001 and in 2004 not be able to find him due to internal chaos and disorder.
Title: Re: Widmore (the economist)
Post by: LostAndSeek on March 13, 2008, 06:47:39 PM
Anything's possible I guess, but I think that's a stretch even for Lost. If he could get there back in 2001 why doesn't he have people all over the Island?

Just a whole lot simpler to go with the easy answer, don't you think. Des hits a storm and crashes like many before him.
Title: Re: Widmore (the economist)
Post by: matahari on March 14, 2008, 01:32:30 AM
That's the easy answer but there should be a decent rationalization for the "high-risK" of transportation to and from the Island.
Title: Re: Widmore (the economist)
Post by: Asmodean on March 14, 2008, 01:35:13 AM
Everyone has a boss. Everyone reports to someone.

I don't on both counts.
Title: Re: Widmore (the economist)
Post by: matahari on March 14, 2008, 01:41:21 AM
Well, good for you.

But, I doubt it.

Everyone has family, peers, significant others, etc... You may not have a boss,  but everyone reports to someone. Whether its, social, work related, religious or otherwise, people, in general check in with someone.

maybe you don't
Title: Re: Widmore (the economist)
Post by: Asmodean on March 14, 2008, 01:46:06 AM
It is good.

Oh, you modified your answer.  I hadn't noticed.

Negative to all.  I report to no one, but thanks for playing.  We have some nice parting gifts for you.

 
Title: Re: Widmore (the economist)
Post by: Mr.Locke on March 15, 2008, 04:19:28 PM
What does everyone mean that Widmore cused Desmonds crash? It was a storm that brought des to the island?
Title: Re: Widmore (the economist)
Post by: Asmodean on March 15, 2008, 04:24:02 PM
I believe they're speculating that Widmore knew the general vicinity of the island and once Des got close enough, the crazy magnetic chaos stranded him.
Title: Re: Widmore (the economist)
Post by: matahari on March 16, 2008, 07:17:15 PM
Or because Desmond's sailboat race was coincidentally sponsored by Widmore industries. Many people believe that in an attempt to get rid of Desmond so that he couldn't see Penny, Widmore used his resources to maroon Des.