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Title: "It is crucial that you, yourself, raise this child."
Post by: Gutterball94 on February 21, 2008, 11:14:24 PM
That is the line that the fortune teller Malkin said in S1E10. We now know that this isn't going to be the case.
They go on to say:

MALKIN: This child parented by anyone else, anyone other than you -- danger surrounds this baby. . .

CLAIRE: Danger?

MALKIN: Your nature, your spirit, your goodness, must be an influence in the development of this child.

CLAIRE: If Thomas and I don't get back together I'm putting this baby up for adoption. I just wanted to find out what would give the baby the happiest life.

MALKIN: There is no happy life -- not for this child, not without you.


Thoughts?
Title: Re: "It is crucial that you, yourself, raise this child."
Post by: this is some crazy stuff on February 21, 2008, 11:15:58 PM
This is starting to tell out that story finally.  I think we will see what happens to Claire very soon.
Title: Re: "It is crucial that you, yourself, raise this child."
Post by: hyperform on February 21, 2008, 11:18:02 PM
Maybe Aaron was supposed to stay on the Island, maybe he has health problems and the island could cure them, or something like that.

When Kate woke him up, he looked like he has down syndrome or something.

could just be a wierd looking kid
Title: Re: "It is crucial that you, yourself, raise this child."
Post by: Gutterball94 on February 21, 2008, 11:19:23 PM
Maybe that lady is more than a Nanny? Maybe she is a nurse that is on call at all times for Aaron and his possible disabilities.  ???
Title: Re: "It is crucial that you, yourself, raise this child."
Post by: TonteLyne on February 21, 2008, 11:20:54 PM
How come everyone is so positive that Kate's child is really Aaron?  Did I miss something?
Title: Re: "It is crucial that you, yourself, raise this child."
Post by: jugdish on February 21, 2008, 11:21:28 PM
Great post, nice job bringing that stuff back! Either there was no choice (Claire is dead) or the psychic was a fake.
Title: Re: "It is crucial that you, yourself, raise this child."
Post by: jugdish on February 21, 2008, 11:22:09 PM
How come everyone is so positive that Kate's child is really Aaron?  Did I miss something?
She called him aaron!
Title: Re: "It is crucial that you, yourself, raise this child."
Post by: *MaZ* on February 21, 2008, 11:23:17 PM
When Kate woke him up, he looked like he has down syndrome or something.

I had the same impression...but then maybe not. Maybe just a funny shot. Not sure at all.
Title: Re: "It is crucial that you, yourself, raise this child."
Post by: Gutterball94 on February 21, 2008, 11:24:34 PM
I'm thinking that Claire is dead. Why? Because Des said part of his vision was seeing Claire leave the island in a copter:
S3E21-
DESMOND: What I saw, Charlie, was Claire and her baby getting into a helicopter. A helicopter that lifts off--leaves this Island.

Something must happen to her.
Title: Re: "It is crucial that you, yourself, raise this child."
Post by: Staggerlee on February 21, 2008, 11:26:39 PM
Most likely is, my 20 month old can say Hi Mommy, not too far fetched it's Claire's, and Jack's misgiviings...we all ready know he's going to find out  the kid is his nephew....
Title: Re: "It is crucial that you, yourself, raise this child."
Post by: hyperform on February 21, 2008, 11:27:05 PM
I think Desmond lied to Charlie just to get him to turn off the jamming equipment, because he is trying to get back to Penny and he thought this was the only way.
Title: Re: "It is crucial that you, yourself, raise this child."
Post by: versed4every1 on February 21, 2008, 11:28:46 PM
Maybe Aaron was supposed to stay on the Island, maybe he has health problems and the island could cure them, or something like that.

When Kate woke him up, he looked like he has down syndrome or something.

could just be a wierd looking kid

I actually had the same thought at first - that the kid looked like he had Down's.  But I think it was just the angle of the filming.   
Title: Re: "It is crucial that you, yourself, raise this child."
Post by: Austruck on February 21, 2008, 11:30:44 PM
We're at least *supposed* to think that was Claire's Aaron. He's about the right age. He's blond. He's, umm, named Aaron. :)

Plus, we also saw in this episode that Kate's taking great care NOT to get pregnant on the island. Plus plus, it would be so Lost-like to have a twist like that, don'tcha think? They don't usually dangle a twist like this and then take it away.

Title: Re: "It is crucial that you, yourself, raise this child."
Post by: Austruck on February 21, 2008, 11:32:26 PM
Aha yes, let's add to that list that Jack had odd misgivings about seeing the child. Granted, that would be true if it were Sawyer's, but I think most people would have worse misgivings in a situation like this one: Seeing Claire's baby, knowing it's Claire's, and knowing you're both hiding a big secret about what happened on that island that apparently took Claire's life.
Title: Re: "It is crucial that you, yourself, raise this child."
Post by: dragonflyk on February 21, 2008, 11:32:56 PM
How come everyone is so positive that Kate's child is really Aaron?  Did I miss something?

Because when Kate was on the Island and in bed with Sawyer, she said she was sure she wasn't pregnant...
Title: Re: "It is crucial that you, yourself, raise this child."
Post by: *MaZ* on February 21, 2008, 11:38:17 PM
How come everyone is so positive that Kate's child is really Aaron?  Did I miss something?

Because when Kate was on the Island and in bed with Sawyer, she said she was sure she wasn't pregnant...
Well, that doesn't mean much...she could be lying, or testing him. She seemed very disappointed he didn't want to be a daddy. IMO.
But it makes no sense for her to name her own child Aaron. That's got to be Claire's Aaron.
Title: Re: "It is crucial that you, yourself, raise this child."
Post by: Gutterball94 on February 21, 2008, 11:39:10 PM
How come everyone is so positive that Kate's child is really Aaron?  Did I miss something?
Lets not forget that the most obvious answers are sometimes the best- Kate called him Aaron and the music got all high pitched and creepy. Safe assumption, no?
Title: Re: "It is crucial that you, yourself, raise this child."
Post by: Austruck on February 21, 2008, 11:58:58 PM
Yes, this is Lost, after all. And that was a classic Lost cliffhanger/here's-an-answer-for-ya ending!
Title: Re: "It is crucial that you, yourself, raise this child."
Post by: louisianagirl76l on February 22, 2008, 12:19:18 AM
Remember when the fortune teller tells Claire that she must raise Aaron...Well....She isn't..Kate is...so what does that mean and how does it tie in?
Title: Re: "It is crucial that you, yourself, raise this child."
Post by: Blackrock Bob on February 22, 2008, 12:23:02 AM
Is Kate going to raise the child?
We don't know what happens past bushy beard Jack telling Kate they have to go baaack.
The story is far from over.
Title: Re: "It is crucial that you, yourself, raise this child."
Post by: Gutterball94 on February 22, 2008, 12:26:05 AM
Remember when the fortune teller tells Claire that she must raise Aaron...Well....She isn't..Kate is...so what does that mean and how does it tie in?

Thats what this thread is about... welcome to the discussion.
Title: Re: "It is crucial that you, yourself, raise this child."
Post by: uofapiglet on February 22, 2008, 01:18:57 AM
Eerie isn't it?

I can't believe the baby was Aaron. At first I was like, "Man, what if that baby is Jack's?" then I was, "Ooooh, the baby is blonde, Sawyer Jr. maybe?" but then she said Aaron's name so I'll stick with the simplest explanation that the baby is who Kate says he is (the ending was twisted enough, I don't really think she'd have a baby of her own and name it Aaron too). But now recalling Malkin's warning I wonder what's happened to Claire and how is it the Kate came to be Aaron's new mommy. And why is it that everyone thinks it's her biological son? Seems to me that Kate's mom was sure that it was her natural grandson, and Aaron himself considers Kate as his mother.

Another thing I thought of was the episode DOC where Juliet confirms that all the mothers who give birth on the island die, most of course not surviving the birthing process. So technically theories on Claire actually dying are mere speculation. Who knows, maybe Kate kidnapped the baby and Claire's still alive. Or the Oceanic 6 had no choice but bring the baby with them. Lots of possibilities here.

Danger is right, no wonder Jack's a little weirded out by the whole thing, not to mention he's not ready to play daddy to a kid born on the island.

These flash-forwards are killing me! I want so much to connect all the information, past, present and future.
Title: Re: "It is crucial that you, yourself, raise this child."
Post by: Gutterball94 on February 22, 2008, 01:24:32 AM
Seems to me that Kate's mom was sure that it was her natural grandson, and Aaron himself considers Kate as his mother.

Kate and her mother haven't been on the best of terms, and I don't know if Kate would ever want to tell Aaron that she isn't his mother. He was only a couple months old, he wouldn't even remember Claire.
Title: Claire...?
Post by: Gutterball94 on February 22, 2008, 01:28:56 AM
Just curious...
Title: Re: Claire...?
Post by: Juniper Jade on February 22, 2008, 01:30:26 AM
I don't even want to think Claire is dead, so I went with her giving Aaron to Kate as they left the island because for some reason she couldn't come along.
Title: Re: Claire...?
Post by: jumbotron on February 22, 2008, 01:32:36 AM
Claire is alive, that is why Jack is so desperate to get back.  Not only does he want to save his friends he wants to save his sister!
Title: Re: Claire...?
Post by: Gutterball94 on February 22, 2008, 01:33:20 AM
Claire is alive, that is why Jack is so desperate to get back.  Not only does he want to save his friends he wants to save his sister!
Assuming he finds out that they are half-siblings.
Title: Re: Claire...?
Post by: LouE68 on February 22, 2008, 01:34:30 AM
Claire is either dead and jack cant look at Aaron cuz he failed to save her. Or Claire went through and gave up Aaron for some strange last minute emergency reason...
Either way, I think Claire is dead...off to whisper with Chaaa-Lee...
But I think this has been discussed somewhere else....::)

Claire is alive, that is why Jack is so desperate to get back.  Not only does he want to save his friends he wants to save his sister!
Assuming he finds out that they are half-siblings.
yup only living relative left is the aunt...and she's not very keen on them finding out..
Title: Re: Claire...?
Post by: Joseph_Kerr on February 22, 2008, 01:50:30 AM
There is no way I can see Claire giving up Aaron. That woman is a mother bear who would kill Jack or Locke if she thought they would harm her baby. But I can't see Jack seeing Kate if she stold the baby either. It's not his personality to see someone who would be the cruel to steal a woman's child. So, whatever happended to set up the scenario must be pretty sever. But I don't have a definitive answer.
Title: Re: Claire...?
Post by: Lion of Atreides on February 22, 2008, 02:10:12 AM
He'd see his nephew if he knew Claire was a half-sibling.
Title: Re: Claire...?
Post by: VirusBrown on February 22, 2008, 02:11:59 AM
This seems too easy, but in a conversation the other day it came up "did you know that jacob was aaron's great grandfather, in da' bible? And that Jacob was a 'christian sheppard'"?
Title: Re: Claire...?
Post by: LouE68 on February 22, 2008, 02:13:56 AM
This seems too easy, but in a conversation the other day it came up "did you know that jacob was aaron's great grandfather, in da' bible? And that Jacob was a 'christian sheppard'"?
funny, but Christian would be Aarons granddad...
Title: Re: "It is crucial that you, yourself, raise this child."
Post by: thgoodson on February 22, 2008, 03:31:08 AM
I thought Claire must be in a bad spot at some point in that she faces the decision to separate herself from her baby. But with the reminder of the backstory, she probably does die as she was warned not to give him up.

Or can this have anything to do with her implant that The Others gave her?
Title: Re: Claire...?
Post by: Blackrock Bob on February 22, 2008, 08:55:46 AM
Claire would NEVER willing give up Aaron. She didn't want Charlie to be around him when she thought Charlie was doing drugs.
She is VERY protective of him.

Claire is a goner or held prisoner by Captain Insano (Locke). I can only see Claire giving up Aaron if his life was in serious danger.

I've said it since we found out she is Jack's half sister "Claire dies and Jack can't save her, right after he finds out her father was his father"
Title: Re: Claire...?
Post by: thebeann on February 22, 2008, 09:02:20 AM
Claire would NEVER willing give up Aaron. She didn't want Charlie to be around him when she thought Charlie was doing drugs.
She is VERY protective of him.

Claire is a goner or held prisoner by Captain Insano (Locke). I can only see Claire giving up Aaron if his life was in serious danger.

I've said it since we found out she is Jack's half sister "Claire dies and Jack can't save her, right after he finds out her father was his father"

Agree. She would not give him up. They mentioned 8 survivors, which leaves 2 that something happened to outside of the Oceanic Six. I think Claire is one of them. Something happens to her (like, she dies) and I think Jack may have some guilt about not being able to stop it (like, he was the one who contacted the 'rescue' boat).

Interesting though...I still couldn't figure if Kate was pretending that Aaron was her biological son, or had adopted/taken guardianship of him. Because I am finding it hard to believe that any court would grant custody of Aaron to Kate with her record and pending trial (and, at the time. probably long jail time).
Title: Re: Claire...?
Post by: casino on February 22, 2008, 09:46:26 AM
Desmond only said that Charlie had to die so that Claire would be rescued.  He never actually saw Claire back home and safe.  I don't think Claire would have just given Aaron over to Kate, so I assume Claire is dead.
Title: Re: "It is crucial that you, yourself, raise this child."
Post by: lostfromthestart on February 22, 2008, 09:49:58 AM
In the S3 final with Jack & Kate at the airport, she said something to the effect of "I've got to get back before he misses me."  I had thought at the time it was Sawyer or husband, but now it must be Aaron.
Title: Re: "It is crucial that you, yourself, raise this child."
Post by: thebeann on February 22, 2008, 09:53:23 AM
Remember when the fortune teller tells Claire that she must raise Aaron...Well....She isn't..Kate is...so what does that mean and how does it tie in?

If we are to believe that the fortuneteller's prophecy still holds true, then I would conclude that Claire is not dead. Jack, Kate, Hurley, Aaron, Sayid, and whomever will make it back to the island. I mean, think about it...Maybe Jack doesn't feel guilty about Claire dying...he feels guilty about leaving her on the island.

Or, something bad will happen to Aaron.
Title: Re: Claire...?
Post by: Jungle Otter on February 22, 2008, 09:57:19 AM
I can't see Claire giving up Aaron easily so here's the scenario I see - Claire and Aaron get on the chopper with Jack and Ben. Ben goes crazy and tries to take out Frank. Jack goes to stop him and in the melee, Claire is knocked out of the chopper. Ben is finally subdued and Jack goes to save Claire but she can only hold on so long and tells Jack to give her son to Kate. Then she falls into the ocean......
Title: Re: "It is crucial that you, yourself, raise this child."
Post by: Falam on February 22, 2008, 10:52:03 AM
Remember when the fortune teller tells Claire that she must raise Aaron...Well....She isn't..Kate is...so what does that mean and how does it tie in?

If we are to believe that the fortuneteller's prophecy still holds true, then I would conclude that Claire is not dead. Jack, Kate, Hurley, Aaron, Sayid, and whomever will make it back to the island. I mean, think about it...Maybe Jack doesn't feel guilty about Claire dying...he feels guilty about leaving her on the island.

Or, something bad will happen to Aaron.

Kate said that, "I have a child now."  If Claire could come back, why would Kate be playing mommy?  Claire = dead.
Title: Re: "It is crucial that you, yourself, raise this child."
Post by: SQUIRT199 on February 22, 2008, 10:53:15 AM
Didnt Kates mother say something about four years ago?

Was that a hint to the timeline, if they have only been on the island for 100 days, (approx 3 mths) that isnt enough time to concieve and birth a child right, so they have to be missing from the real world for at least nine months for Kate to comeback and claim that it is her baby,

Title: Re: "It is crucial that you, yourself, raise this child."
Post by: Creflo on February 22, 2008, 11:25:02 AM
Great call,
Gutterball.
Title: Re: "It is crucial that you, yourself, raise this child."
Post by: T Mack on February 22, 2008, 11:27:13 AM
This is starting to tell out that story finally.  I think we will see what happens to Claire very soon.
Claire is as dead as a doornail.  She won't make it past EPI 8 this season.
Title: Re: Claire...?
Post by: gods_child on February 22, 2008, 11:59:59 AM
if thats aaron then does that mean claire dies? but didnt desmond see claire and aaron get on a heliocopter and leave the island?
Title: Re: Claire...?
Post by: Gutterball94 on February 22, 2008, 12:14:49 PM
I suggest that you read more threads before you post stuff like this. There are literally 3 or 4 other threads devoted to different aspects of this.
Title: Re: Claire...?
Post by: Lost Ed on February 22, 2008, 12:18:01 PM
Nonetheless, the general theory seems to be that Desmond lied to Charlie about Claire on the copter.
Title: Re: Claire...?
Post by: rhythm on February 22, 2008, 12:41:02 PM
Nonetheless, the general theory seems to be that Desmond lied to Charlie about Claire on the copter.
How do we know he lied? 
Title: Re: "It is crucial that you, yourself, raise this child."
Post by: lostfan777 on February 22, 2008, 12:48:18 PM
It seems too obvious that Claire is dead.  The only mystery would be how she died.  So when they tell us how, they won't be able to build up any suspense because we will know it's coming.  On the other hand, if she is still alive on the island, would Kate be raising Aaron as her own.  What if they were able to get Claire and Aaron back together someday?  How would they tell him?  I'm on the fence with this one.
Title: Re: "It is crucial that you, yourself, raise this child."
Post by: Sunflower on February 22, 2008, 12:58:39 PM
Remember when the fortune teller tells Claire that she must raise Aaron...Well....She isn't..Kate is...so what does that mean and how does it tie in?

If we are to believe that the fortuneteller's prophecy still holds true, then I would conclude that Claire is not dead. Jack, Kate, Hurley, Aaron, Sayid, and whomever will make it back to the island. I mean, think about it...Maybe Jack doesn't feel guilty about Claire dying...he feels guilty about leaving her on the island.

Or, something bad will happen to Aaron.

Kate said that, "I have a child now."  If Claire could come back, why would Kate be playing mommy?  Claire = dead.
Well, if she were alive on the Island she can't get to Kate and the baby in the real world...so she isn't necissarily dead.

I'm wondering if Ben isn't still pulling all the strings.  Sayid is working for him in the future.  Maybe Kates job was to "mother" the baby and have test done to see why or how he was concieved on the Island.  Ben knows Claire wouldn't let this happen so they take him from her and give Aaron to Kate.  I'm still playing around with this thought.

And yes, I thought Aaron looked Down Syndrome as well.
Title: Re: Claire...?
Post by: Sunflower on February 22, 2008, 01:02:37 PM
This topic is being discussed here:

http://lost.cubit.net/forum/index.php?topic=7192.0
Title: Re: "It is crucial that you, yourself, raise this child."
Post by: Asmodean on February 22, 2008, 01:22:11 PM
If Claire dies, I bet it involves Jack.  Either at his hands or because of his inaction.  Moreover, this will be after they find out they're related.  This would explain the guilt of Jack not wanting to see his nephew, as Kate so much as indicated in this ep.
Didn't look like he had Downs to me.  Had a big ole EGG head though.
Desmond is my 2nd favorite character, but I think he lied to Charlie.
Title: Re: "It is crucial that you, yourself, raise this child."
Post by: Sunflower on February 22, 2008, 01:26:31 PM
An egg head indeed!! LOL

What you say makes sense too.  Oh the possibilities!
Title: Re: Claire...?
Post by: HugeJohnLockeFan on February 22, 2008, 01:28:02 PM
First post here:

http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Aaron_Littleton#Season_3

Anyone else here remember this? This seems odd. Locke had a vision of them being a family... did the writers change their mind?

Or will the Losties be able to change their future (thus having evolving future flashforwards)...

We obviously know that the three of them can no longer be a family, since he died and all... but does this mean he's having false visions?

Discuss.
Title: Re: "It is crucial that you, yourself, raise this child."
Post by: lostfan777 on February 22, 2008, 01:40:38 PM
I think Desmond lied to Charlie just to get him to turn off the jamming equipment, because he is trying to get back to Penny and he thought this was the only way.

No, they showed us his flash of them getting on the helicopter.  Was Des lying to us, also?
Title: Re: "It is crucial that you, yourself, raise this child."
Post by: Holland34 on February 22, 2008, 01:40:52 PM
Desmond is my 2nd favorite character, but I think he lied to Charlie.

I don't think Des lied to Charlie because he was talking about the flashing light and turning off some sort of equipment before they knew about the underwater station.  At the point Des told Charlie about his vision, they did not know of an opportunity that would get them saved... Des just saw Claire getting rescued in the same vision and knew that Charlie had to do this for all of them to get saved.
Title: Re: Claire...?
Post by: lostfan777 on February 22, 2008, 01:42:34 PM
Nonetheless, the general theory seems to be that Desmond lied to Charlie about Claire on the copter.

Where is this general theory being discussed?  I haven't heard people agreeing with this.  They showed Des' flash of Claire getting on the helicopter.  Was Des lying to us, also?
Title: Re: Claire...?
Post by: getting away to lost on February 22, 2008, 01:54:38 PM
I like your theory on what happens to Claire.
Title: Re: "It is crucial that you, yourself, raise this child."
Post by: Asmodean on February 22, 2008, 02:07:36 PM
True, true.  My faith in Des is redeemed.
Maybe Claire fell out or something...
Title: Re: "It is crucial that you, yourself, raise this child."
Post by: uofapiglet on February 22, 2008, 02:10:43 PM
Don't forget, the producers of this show said that "Aaron is the key to understanding Lost and the island."

Some key... without Claire, I don't know what to make of his situation... I am so confused! ???
Title: Re: "It is crucial that you, yourself, raise this child."
Post by: lostfan777 on February 22, 2008, 02:15:14 PM
Don't forget, the producers of this show said that "Aaron is the key to understanding Lost and the island."

Some key... without Claire, I don't know what to make of his situation... I am so confused! ???

If my Revelation theory is correct and this turns out to be a biblical redemption story, Aaron could be the second coming of the messiah.  I know that in the bible, the second coming isn't as a baby, but they may take literary license.  Who knows?
Title: Re: Claire...?
Post by: surfmadpig on February 22, 2008, 02:23:55 PM
"for a while"... remember?
Title: Re: "It is crucial that you, yourself, raise this child."
Post by: Asmodean on February 22, 2008, 03:02:27 PM
Aaron erred twice (that we know of).  One biggie was the golden calf.
He and Moses weren't allowed to enter the Promised Land.
He lived to be 123.
Any tie ins?
Title: Re: "It is crucial that you, yourself, raise this child."
Post by: Staggerlee on February 22, 2008, 03:07:11 PM
Aaron erred twice (that we know of).  One biggie was the golden calf.
He and Moses weren't allowed to enter the Promised Land.
He lived to be 123.
Any tie ins?


lotsa tie ins, if the two rocks hold out, as promised....
Title: Re: Claire...?
Post by: thebeann on February 22, 2008, 03:28:58 PM
Nonetheless, the general theory seems to be that Desmond lied to Charlie about Claire on the copter.
How do we know he lied? 

I dont' know that this is the general theory. What evidence?
Title: Re: Claire...?
Post by: DirtyMaggieMae on February 22, 2008, 03:34:29 PM
I voted claire to be a goner...but that seems a little obvious for lost.  so who knows.
Title: Re: Claire...?
Post by: KateReallyLovesJack on February 22, 2008, 03:35:59 PM
Oh oh oh!!! New idea!!!


Ben has endless information on the losties -> reveals to Jack and Claire that they are half-siblings.

Claire gets injured/murdered -> accidental maybe, but if intentional -> why?

Jack is not able to save his half-sister

Somebody needs to raise Aaron

Kate needs something to get her out of jail -> sympathy vote for the plane crash/heroine stuff + the fact that she has a young child should do the trick! (whether or not she passes him off as biological I don't know)

Jack does not want to see his half-nephew because of guilt for not saving his half-sister?

Sorry, it's so sketchy, just something that popped into my head and I needed to get it all down...
Any takers? What do you think?
Title: Re: Claire...?
Post by: DirtyMaggieMae on February 22, 2008, 03:37:18 PM
Makes some sense.  There is a big reason why Jack doesn't want to see Aaron, and so far it seems to be something to do with guilt. 
Title: Re: Claire...?
Post by: Blackrock Bob on February 22, 2008, 04:05:24 PM
KRLJ, I'm with you.

Also, I don't think Desmond lied either. He wouldn't have sold out Charlie. He kept saving Charlie's life.
Of all the people on the island, only Hurley is as decent that Des.
Title: Re: Claire...?
Post by: Lost-N-Detroit on February 22, 2008, 04:35:11 PM
Jack knows that Arron is his nephew. Listen when Kate says to Jack about coming over to her house and not untill he gets over Arron being there.
Does Jack possibly know at this time that Claire was his sister?
Title: Re: Claire...?
Post by: Namaste on February 22, 2008, 05:02:45 PM
Clarie gave birth on the island ... she is destined to die.....
Title: Re: Claire...?
Post by: vickilynn on February 22, 2008, 06:28:02 PM
Clarie gave birth on the island ... she is destined to die.....
I thought only those who conceived on the island died
Title: Re: "It is crucial that you, yourself, raise this child."
Post by: exorcst on February 22, 2008, 06:28:35 PM
How come everyone is so positive that Kate's child is really Aaron?  Did I miss something?

Because when Kate was on the Island and in bed with Sawyer, she said she was sure she wasn't pregnant...

She did not say she was sure she wasnt pregnant. She just said she was sure.
Title: Re: "It is crucial that you, yourself, raise this child."
Post by: LostAndSeek on February 22, 2008, 10:41:09 PM
On the Des lies thesis, I think it's too soon to tell. He said he saw her get on a heli and leave the island, we don't know what happens after that. I still think we'll see that happen.
Title: Re: "It is crucial that you, yourself, raise this child."
Post by: Asmodean on February 22, 2008, 10:47:09 PM
BRB you don't think Desmond would sell out Charlie for a chance to be with Penny again?  I know if it was my girl, there'd be no question whatsoever.  I don't think he intentionally mislead him though...now.
Title: Re: "It is crucial that you, yourself, raise this child."
Post by: lostfan777 on February 23, 2008, 12:29:21 AM
We saw Claire get on the helicopter in Des' vision.  He didn't lie, unless he saw that she dies trying to leave and left that part out.  But that doesn't sound like Des.
Title: Re: "It is crucial that you, yourself, raise this child."
Post by: E.S.B. on February 23, 2008, 11:52:32 AM
My wife is absolutely convinced that Claire does not get killed off.  My thinking was the only way Claire would give up Aaron is if she were on her death bed.  But my wife is adamant.  She thinks that Claire would give up Aaron if it was a matter of his safety - maybe Claire decides that the only way for Aaron to live is if he is taken off the Island.  She entrusts him to Kate, and Kate has to tell everyone that she gave birth to him because that is the only way she can keep him.  Any other story would lead to custody battles and questions, even if they said that Aaron's birth mom was one of the 2 survivors who died.  The timeline somehow works out as Kate claims she was 3-4 months pregnant when the plane crashed (if not more), then they were on the Island for a while and she gave birth.

So Jack is guilty and doesn't want to see Aaron because he had to leave Claire behind.  Later, when Jack tells Kate "we have to go baaaack," part of the reason she doesn't want to go back is because she knows she would have to give Aaron back to Claire, which she can't do.

But somehow Claire must get Aaron back, because "it is cucial that [she, herself,] raise this child."  This will be very intersting.  I hope my wife is right and she does not get killed off, because I don't like it when they kill off characters that I care about and want to see survive this ordeal through to the end.  Losing Charlie was enough!
Title: Re: Claire...?
Post by: Sunflower on February 23, 2008, 12:12:22 PM
Oh oh oh!!! New idea!!!


Ben has endless information on the losties -> reveals to Jack and Claire that they are half-siblings.

Claire gets injured/murdered -> accidental maybe, but if intentional -> why?

Jack is not able to save his half-sister

Somebody needs to raise Aaron

Kate needs something to get her out of jail -> sympathy vote for the plane crash/heroine stuff + the fact that she has a young child should do the trick! (whether or not she passes him off as biological I don't know)

Jack does not want to see his half-nephew because of guilt for not saving his half-sister?

Sorry, it's so sketchy, just something that popped into my head and I needed to get it all down...
Any takers? What do you think?
I think this sounds about right..the gist of it anyways.  Claire is a goner, I just don't see any other way of her giving up Aaron.  My only real concern is if Claired is killed off soon does that mean we have to watch Kate be mommy or will she still climb trees and shoot ppl with him attached to her hip :P ::)
Title: Re: "It is crucial that you, yourself, raise this child."
Post by: Asmodean on February 23, 2008, 02:30:56 PM
That sounds kinda hot for some reason.
Title: Re: "It is crucial that you, yourself, raise this child."
Post by: LostAndSeek on February 23, 2008, 05:17:46 PM
I agree with E.S.B.'s wife!!
Title: Re: "It is crucial that you, yourself, raise this child."
Post by: LostGirlDeb on February 23, 2008, 08:26:46 PM
I think Claire dies during the rescue or is left behind on the island.
Kate then takes Aaron (if we are to assume that Kates' son is the same Aaron) and passes him off as her own
Jack has now found out that Claire was his sister and can't forgive himself because he didn't do enough to save her(Claire) or something like that....so he can't bring himself to look at the child

If this is not the same Aaron then Kate simply has named her child after him "in memory of" sort of thing 
Title: Re: "It is crucial that you, yourself, raise this child."
Post by: E.S.B. on February 24, 2008, 10:49:38 PM
I agree with E.S.B.'s wife!!

She'll be thrilled!

I'm now starting to think that killing off Claire is too straightforward - something else is going to happen.
Title: Re: "It is crucial that you, yourself, raise this child."
Post by: lostfan777 on February 25, 2008, 10:38:09 AM
I think Claire dies during the rescue or is left behind on the island.
Kate then takes Aaron (if we are to assume that Kates' son is the same Aaron) and passes him off as her own
Jack has now found out that Claire was his sister and can't forgive himself because he didn't do enough to save her(Claire) or something like that....so he can't bring himself to look at the child

If this is not the same Aaron then Kate simply has named her child after him "in memory of" sort of thing 

I agree with everything here, although I voted that Claire is still on the island and gave Aaron to Kate to save him somehow.  My only reason for doubting what seems to be the obvious explanation is that, well.......it's the OBVIOUS explanation!  :D
Title: Re: "It is crucial that you, yourself, raise this child."
Post by: kenny on February 25, 2008, 10:46:50 AM
This seems too easy, but in a conversation the other day it came up "did you know that jacob was aaron's great grandfather, in da' bible? And that Jacob was a 'christian sheppard'"?
funny, but Christian would be Aarons granddad...

So, is Christian, Jacob..as we saw when Hurley was at the cabin?
Title: Re: "It is crucial that you, yourself, raise this child."
Post by: Sunflower on February 25, 2008, 12:05:05 PM
I think Claire dies during the rescue or is left behind on the island.
Kate then takes Aaron (if we are to assume that Kates' son is the same Aaron) and passes him off as her own
Jack has now found out that Claire was his sister and can't forgive himself because he didn't do enough to save her(Claire) or something like that....so he can't bring himself to look at the child

If this is not the same Aaron then Kate simply has named her child after him "in memory of" sort of thing 

I agree with everything here, although I voted that Claire is still on the island and gave Aaron to Kate to save him somehow.  My only reason for doubting what seems to be the obvious explanation is that, well.......it's the OBVIOUS explanation!  :D
Yes, this is straightforward...Des said he saw her get on the helicopter...something will happen to her after that I bet.
Title: Re: "It is crucial that you, yourself, raise this child."
Post by: Floyd25 on February 25, 2008, 12:50:06 PM
I think Claire dies during the rescue or is left behind on the island.
Kate then takes Aaron (if we are to assume that Kates' son is the same Aaron) and passes him off as her own
Jack has now found out that Claire was his sister and can't forgive himself because he didn't do enough to save her(Claire) or something like that....so he can't bring himself to look at the child

If this is not the same Aaron then Kate simply has named her child after him "in memory of" sort of thing 

I agree with everything here, although I voted that Claire is still on the island and gave Aaron to Kate to save him somehow.  My only reason for doubting what seems to be the obvious explanation is that, well.......it's the OBVIOUS explanation!  :D
Yes, this is straightforward...Des said he saw her get on the helicopter...something will happen to her after that I bet.

Yep.  Des does see the future but which future is it?  The one before Kate returns to the islad with Aaron and is re-united with his mom or the one that separates Aaron from Claire?!?
Title: Re: "It is crucial that you, yourself, raise this child."
Post by: cbw420 on February 25, 2008, 02:07:18 PM
a few things people (more to the newer newbies)

*please read the whole thread before posting, that could/would eliminate 15 identical posts

**desmond may not have lied to charlie, any instance can change the events he sees via vision
Title: Re: "It is crucial that you, yourself, raise this child."
Post by: Sunflower on February 25, 2008, 02:58:44 PM
It's not a question of Des lying tho.  I think she has to get on the helicopter or Charlies death was for nought.
Title: Re: "It is crucial that you, yourself, raise this child."
Post by: Wishbone on February 25, 2008, 03:35:02 PM

They mentioned 8 survivors, which leaves 2 that something happened to outside of the Oceanic Six. I think Claire is one of them. Something happens to her (like, she dies) and I think Jack may have some guilt about not being able to stop it (like, he was the one who contacted the 'rescue' boat).
 

I was thinking this. They had said there were 8 original survivors and only 6 lived - I reckon 8 people get off the island but only 6 make it back to reality, meaning Dessie could have seen Claire getting into a helicopter - maybe something happens to the other 2 on the freighter and their bodies are returned otherwise why mention 2 other original survivors at all? I reckon Kate has just taken Aarron on as her own. Jack obviously knows that it isn't really Kate's and he's got issues with this - whether or not he had anything to do with Claire's death or not.

Title: Re: "It is crucial that you, yourself, raise this child."
Post by: Wishbone on February 25, 2008, 03:35:49 PM
Ooops - forgot to vote - Claire is a goner - I don't think she'd have let Aarron go
Title: Re: "It is crucial that you, yourself, raise this child."
Post by: Staggerlee on February 25, 2008, 03:57:45 PM
A goner says I,  makes it off though....maybe hit by a car fleeing the paparazzi?  Flips out missing the island, offs herself...matricide, aaron goes baby ben on her...
Title: Re: "It is crucial that you, yourself, raise this child."
Post by: pauinha6 on February 25, 2008, 04:02:19 PM
If this is not the same Aaron then Kate simply has named her child after him "in memory of" sort of thing 

 i dunno if this is considered spoilerish, so, just in case....

(from ABCs official podcast)
Quote from: spoiler
Kate's Aaron is Claire's Aaron-Turnip-head
Title: Re: "It is crucial that you, yourself, raise this child."
Post by: Staggerlee on February 25, 2008, 04:11:12 PM
Good, now we can (maybe) get off the whole "in memory of" stupid idea....


Title: Re: "It is crucial that you, yourself, raise this child."
Post by: LostGirlDeb on February 25, 2008, 04:12:20 PM
Good, now we can (maybe) get off the whole "in memory of" stupid idea....




thanks for saying my idea is stupid :o
I only said it IN CASE it wasn't Claire's Aaron
Title: Re: "It is crucial that you, yourself, raise this child."
Post by: Sunflower on February 25, 2008, 04:16:32 PM
LOL I hate it when that happens  :D
Title: Re: "It is crucial that you, yourself, raise this child."
Post by: LostGirlDeb on February 25, 2008, 05:59:56 PM
LOL I hate it when that happens  :D
LOL yeah me too!  since I just finished posting about the official ABC video podcast that has Kate talking about Aaron..sheesh
Title: Re: "It is crucial that you, yourself, raise this child."
Post by: Sunflower on February 25, 2008, 06:07:45 PM
LOL I hate it when that happens  :D
LOL yeah me too!  since I just finished posting about the official ABC video podcast that has Kate talking about Aaron..sheesh
LOLOL  oh that was a good laugh!
Title: Re: "It is crucial that you, yourself, raise this child."
Post by: LostGirlDeb on February 25, 2008, 06:18:37 PM
LOL I hate it when that happens  :D
LOL yeah me too!  since I just finished posting about the official ABC video podcast that has Kate talking about Aaron..sheesh
LOLOL  oh that was a good laugh!

glad you were amused  ;)
Title: Re: "It is crucial that you, yourself, raise this child."
Post by: cbw420 on February 25, 2008, 06:29:52 PM
can someone clue me in here, how was THIS up for debate??

i can understand debating time traveling, shoot i can almost understand debating Christian being alive

BUT THIS?!??!?! i mean they literally spelled it out for the entire audience

it was when kate said "HI AARON"
Title: Re: "It is crucial that you, yourself, raise this child."
Post by: Staggerlee on February 25, 2008, 06:57:14 PM
Good, now we can (maybe) get off the whole "in memory of" stupid idea....




thanks for saying my idea is stupid :o
I only said it IN CASE it wasn't Claire's Aaron


No kidding, I really meant "stupid idea" in the nicest possible dismissive way ;D

If I could bend time and rephrase it......heeey waaaait a minute.........
Title: Re: "It is crucial that you, yourself, raise this child."
Post by: Staggerlee on February 25, 2008, 07:02:25 PM
can someone clue me in here, how was THIS up for debate??

i can understand debating time traveling, shoot i can almost understand debating Christian being alive

BUT THIS?!??!?! i mean they literally spelled it out for the entire audience

it was when kate said "HI AARON"

How?

well we are in a day and age where people think Bush stole an election, Kennedy was shot by the CIA and some people still think Harding knew about the Teapot Dome Scandal...
And we all know Nader was responsible for at least one of those.....maybe two ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: "It is crucial that you, yourself, raise this child."
Post by: LostGirlDeb on February 25, 2008, 07:11:28 PM
can someone clue me in here, how was THIS up for debate??

i can understand debating time traveling, shoot i can almost understand debating Christian being alive

BUT THIS?!??!?! i mean they literally spelled it out for the entire audience

it was when kate said "HI AARON"

Dude! chill already! :o there is no debate!
Title: Re: "It is crucial that you, yourself, raise this child."
Post by: Sunflower on February 25, 2008, 07:56:49 PM
can someone clue me in here, how was THIS up for debate??

i can understand debating time traveling, shoot i can almost understand debating Christian being alive

BUT THIS?!??!?! i mean they literally spelled it out for the entire audience

it was when kate said "HI AARON"

Dude! chill already! :o there is no debate!
He's just cranky ::)
Title: Re: "It is crucial that you, yourself, raise this child."
Post by: joshzam on February 25, 2008, 08:13:42 PM
I like the idea of Claire putting Aaron on the helicopter for his own good, like Moses' mother placing him in the basket and setting it off down the river to be found by someone who can provide him with a better life.
Title: Re: "It is crucial that you, yourself, raise this child."
Post by: LostAndSeek on February 25, 2008, 08:20:51 PM
Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if it comes down to that.

In the coverup, Claire is (presumably) dead. I wonder, if she left a will declaring that Kate should raise Aaron, would that carry any weight?

If she has some notice that she's going to be left behind, I could see her doing that.
Title: Re: "It is crucial that you, yourself, raise this child."
Post by: Staggerlee on February 25, 2008, 08:22:38 PM
Agree!

She may not, surely does not yet, believe in the Aaron Savior stuff yet, maybe does not remember the warning or chooses to not heed it.

Her alive on the island may prove to be a conduit to get the others back to it, when all realize or aaron's first full sentence is, "Take me back to my real MOMMY!" Which he of course yells really loud while sitting in the shopping cart in the Target checkout.....
Title: Re: "It is crucial that you, yourself, raise this child."
Post by: lostfan777 on February 25, 2008, 08:57:32 PM
can someone clue me in here, how was THIS up for debate??

i can understand debating time traveling, shoot i can almost understand debating Christian being alive

BUT THIS?!??!?! i mean they literally spelled it out for the entire audience

it was when kate said "HI AARON"

I'm in agreement that I believe it's Claire's Aaron, but names get reused now and then. I've known more than one set of girlfriends who got into a friendship ending fight because one had the nerve to name their child the same as the other.  AND I've known many people to name their children after someone who was lost.

I hope this isn't the case, I'm just saying that I wouldn't put it past TPTB to throw a curveball, figuring that we'd all assume it was obviously island Aaron.  It's for this reason that I think Claire may very well be alive, because now there would be no surprise when they show us how she dies.
Title: Re: "It is crucial that you, yourself, raise this child."
Post by: LostAndSeek on February 25, 2008, 09:06:01 PM

Her alive on the island may prove to be a conduit to get the others back to it, when all realize or aaron's first full sentence is, "Take me back to my real MOMMY!" Which he of course yells really loud while sitting in the shopping cart in the Target checkout.....

Oh please!.... It'd have to be a Super Target!  ;)
Title: Re: "It is crucial that you, yourself, raise this child."
Post by: LostGirlDeb on February 25, 2008, 10:06:41 PM
can someone clue me in here, how was THIS up for debate??

i can understand debating time traveling, shoot i can almost understand debating Christian being alive

BUT THIS?!??!?! i mean they literally spelled it out for the entire audience

it was when kate said "HI AARON"

I'm in agreement that I believe it's Claire's Aaron, but names get reused now and then. I've known more than one set of girlfriends who got into a friendship ending fight because one had the nerve to name their child the same as the other.  AND I've known many people to name their children after someone who was lost.

I hope this isn't the case, I'm just saying that I wouldn't put it past TPTB to throw a curveball, figuring that we'd all assume it was obviously island Aaron.  It's for this reason that I think Claire may very well be alive, because now there would be no surprise when they show us how she dies.

OH GAWD!!! how dare you post that!!!
Your sooooooooo gonna get told off now!!
You are not allowed to think or debate!.....
Don't you know that the issue is closed!!  Aaron can ONLY be Aaron turnip head

(You made some good points btw)
Title: Re: "It is crucial that you, yourself, raise this child."
Post by: Nancy Drew on February 25, 2008, 10:17:54 PM
can someone clue me in here, how was THIS up for debate??

i can understand debating time traveling, shoot i can almost understand debating Christian being alive

BUT THIS?!??!?! i mean they literally spelled it out for the entire audience

it was when kate said "HI AARON"

I'm in agreement that I believe it's Claire's Aaron, but names get reused now and then. I've known more than one set of girlfriends who got into a friendship ending fight because one had the nerve to name their child the same as the other.  AND I've known many people to name their children after someone who was lost.

I hope this isn't the case, I'm just saying that I wouldn't put it past TPTB to throw a curveball, figuring that we'd all assume it was obviously island Aaron.  It's for this reason that I think Claire may very well be alive, because now there would be no surprise when they show us how she dies.

OH GAWD!!! how dare you post that!!!
Your sooooooooo gonna get told off now!!
You are not allowed to think or debate!.....
Don't you know that the issue is closed!!  Aaron can ONLY be Aaron turnip head

(You made some good points btw)


um................if I could just interject here...................

Didn't they literally spell it out for us about Christian being dead by showing us his dead body in the morgue and showing us his casket?  How is that debatable?  And isn't this a forum for all to get their opinions in?  Whether YOU agree with them or not, CB??
Title: Re: "It is crucial that you, yourself, raise this child."
Post by: jugdish on February 25, 2008, 10:23:30 PM
TPTB have never done anything that gimmicky. They do not lie to us on the this show, they have repeatedly stated this. The said it again in their podcast last week. She called him aaron because it is aaron. There really is not debate. Believe the show and things becime much clearer.
Title: Re: "It is crucial that you, yourself, raise this child."
Post by: Nancy Drew on February 25, 2008, 10:24:20 PM
Good, now we can (maybe) get off the whole "in memory of" stupid idea....




um...........this was rude..............

I see SOMEONE didn't read the rules of posting....................
Title: Re: "It is crucial that you, yourself, raise this child."
Post by: LouE68 on February 25, 2008, 10:29:07 PM
In the Evangiline Lillie interview, she said she was surpised she got Aaron although she doesnt know, yet, if she stole him or what from Claire...
Title: Re: "It is crucial that you, yourself, raise this child."
Post by: Staggerlee on February 25, 2008, 10:44:53 PM
Good, now we can (maybe) get off the whole "in memory of" stupid idea....




um...........this was rude..............

I see SOMEONE didn't read the rules of posting....................

An' I did 'pologize in a heartfelt, yet mildly snarky manner, tryin' to keep up the snide like attitude, yet interject a lil' brotherly love into it, kinda like cream in a hostess...cupcake that is....
Title: Re: "It is crucial that you, yourself, raise this child."
Post by: LostGirlDeb on February 25, 2008, 10:45:47 PM
Yeah I posted that in another thread too
This topic is in a lot of threads it seems

I have to say that she does refer to him as Aaron and for the record just so we are all clear
I think Claire is going to die and that is how Kate ends up with him.

The other stuff was another option just  in case it turned out that this was not Clare's Aaron
which I see a lot of people are still thinking
Title: Re: "It is crucial that you, yourself, raise this child."
Post by: jugdish on February 25, 2008, 10:48:37 PM
Good, now we can (maybe) get off the whole "in memory of" stupid idea....




um...........this was rude..............

I see SOMEONE didn't read the rules of posting....................

An' I did 'pologize in a heartfelt, yet mildly snarky manner, tryin' to keep up the snide like attitude, yet interject a lil' brotherly love into it, kinda like cream in a hostess...cupcake that is....

I can see Staggerlee is going to be an interesting new poster here. I mean that in a positive way, like the cream in a hostess!! Lets all keep the posting non personal.

Title: Re: "It is crucial that you, yourself, raise this child."
Post by: Staggerlee on February 25, 2008, 11:02:26 PM
Good, now we can (maybe) get off the whole "in memory of" stupid idea....





I can see Staggerlee is going to be an interesting new poster here. I mean that in a positive way, like the cream in a hostess!! Lets all keep the posting non personal.




Will keep my mind about me....

Hard to say for sure though if she is dead...I'm flip floppin' like a democrat...no no like a republican....

awww heck, I need some spoiler info, off I am to hunt....
Title: Re: "It is crucial that you, yourself, raise this child."
Post by: Nancy Drew on February 25, 2008, 11:05:04 PM
Wait............did someone say........HOSTESS??

LOL
Title: Re: "It is crucial that you, yourself, raise this child."
Post by: cbw420 on February 25, 2008, 11:23:06 PM
can someone clue me in here, how was THIS up for debate??

i can understand debating time traveling, shoot i can almost understand debating Christian being alive

BUT THIS?!??!?! i mean they literally spelled it out for the entire audience

it was when kate said "HI AARON"

I'm in agreement that I believe it's Claire's Aaron, but names get reused now and then. I've known more than one set of girlfriends who got into a friendship ending fight because one had the nerve to name their child the same as the other.  AND I've known many people to name their children after someone who was lost.

I hope this isn't the case, I'm just saying that I wouldn't put it past TPTB to throw a curveball, figuring that we'd all assume it was obviously island Aaron.  It's for this reason that I think Claire may very well be alive, because now there would be no surprise when they show us how she dies.

OH GAWD!!! how dare you post that!!!
Your sooooooooo gonna get told off now!!
You are not allowed to think or debate!.....
Don't you know that the issue is closed!!  Aaron can ONLY be Aaron turnip head

(You made some good points btw)


um................if I could just interject here...................

Didn't they literally spell it out for us about Christian being dead by showing us his dead body in the morgue and showing us his casket?  How is that debatable?  And isn't this a forum for all to get their opinions in?  Whether YOU agree with them or not, CB??

my opinion is that anyone who thinks aaron is not claire's aaron is ridiculous

my opinion is that christian is dead

i love forums where people can post their opinions




juggy - that podcast made me rethink things but put me at ease a great deal, i'm much more relaxed watching the show now for some reason
Title: Re: "It is crucial that you, yourself, raise this child."
Post by: LostGirlDeb on February 25, 2008, 11:25:09 PM
So your saying I can call you ridiculous and you wouldn't get upset?
Title: Re: "It is crucial that you, yourself, raise this child."
Post by: cbw420 on February 25, 2008, 11:32:23 PM
So your saying I can call you ridiculous and you wouldn't get upset?

you're entitled to your opinion just like i am, but i would choose your words carefully, i'm rough around the edges lol
Title: Re: "It is crucial that you, yourself, raise this child."
Post by: Nancy Drew on February 25, 2008, 11:39:50 PM
So your saying I can call you ridiculous and you wouldn't get upset?

you're entitled to your opinion just like i am, but i would choose your words carefully, i'm rough around the edges lol

One should practice what he preaches...............

Anyway...

I think the Aaron is Claire's Aaron, but obviously the question on everyone's mind is "why". 
Title: Re: "It is crucial that you, yourself, raise this child."
Post by: LostGirlDeb on February 25, 2008, 11:40:16 PM
So your saying I can call you ridiculous and you wouldn't get upset?

you're entitled to your opinion just like i am, but i would choose your words carefully, i'm rough around the edges lol
Well..I would choose mine accordingly. And rough around the edges doesn't really scare me. :P
I mean I don't go around calling people idiots or ridiculous for what they believe or do not believe
You seem to be doing a good job of that all by yourself ;)
Title: Re: "It is crucial that you, yourself, raise this child."
Post by: cbw420 on February 25, 2008, 11:44:42 PM
So your saying I can call you ridiculous and you wouldn't get upset?

you're entitled to your opinion just like i am, but i would choose your words carefully, i'm rough around the edges lol

One should practice what he preaches...............
 

sweetie, i'm a nice person when you get to know me lol

but honestly
i'm not here to make friends, i speak my mind in the public forum and talk Lost

am i not playing nice enough for you?

anyhow......did Aaron saying mUmmy give anyone a clue? or was that just me?


deb - i wasnt trying to scare you silly
Title: Re: "It is crucial that you, yourself, raise this child."
Post by: Nancy Drew on February 25, 2008, 11:48:35 PM
So your saying I can call you ridiculous and you wouldn't get upset?

you're entitled to your opinion just like i am, but i would choose your words carefully, i'm rough around the edges lol

One should practice what he preaches...............
 

sweetie, i'm a nice person when you get to know me lol

but honestly
i'm not here to make friends, i speak my mind in the public forum and talk Lost

am i not playing nice enough for you?

anyhow......did Aaron saying mUmmy give anyone a clue? or was that just me?


deb - i wasnt trying to scare you silly

Aaron calling Kate "mommy" doesn't prove anything.

And I'm anything but sweet :P
Title: Re: "It is crucial that you, yourself, raise this child."
Post by: LostGirlDeb on February 25, 2008, 11:54:30 PM
So your saying I can call you ridiculous and you wouldn't get upset?

you're entitled to your opinion just like i am, but i would choose your words carefully, i'm rough around the edges lol

One should practice what he preaches...............
 

sweetie, i'm a nice person when you get to know me lol

but honestly
i'm not here to make friends, i speak my mind in the public forum and talk Lost

am i not playing nice enough for you?

anyhow......did Aaron saying mUmmy give anyone a clue? or was that just me?


deb - i wasnt trying to scare you silly

Aaron calling Kate "mommy" doesn't prove anything.

And I'm anything but sweet :P

Yes it does!!!! He said it in an Australian acccent
He said Mummy not Mommy!!!! LMAO!!!
Title: Re: "It is crucial that you, yourself, raise this child."
Post by: lostfan777 on February 26, 2008, 10:29:08 AM
I think the Aaron is Claire's Aaron, but obviously the question on everyone's mind is "why". 

I also think he's Claire's Aaron (didn't realize he called Kate mummy with an accent, that would definitely be making the point) and I think the 'why' will turn out to be more than just that Claire died.  That's my final answer, I'm locking it in, tell me what I've won, John............

One more thing:  If I think the producers might throw us a ridiculous idiotic twist, even if I think it is ridiculous and idiotic, does that still make me a ridiculous idiot?
Title: Re: "It is crucial that you, yourself, raise this child."
Post by: cbw420 on February 26, 2008, 11:18:16 AM
So your saying I can call you ridiculous and you wouldn't get upset?

you're entitled to your opinion just like i am, but i would choose your words carefully, i'm rough around the edges lol

One should practice what he preaches...............
 

sweetie, i'm a nice person when you get to know me lol

but honestly
i'm not here to make friends, i speak my mind in the public forum and talk Lost

am i not playing nice enough for you?

anyhow......did Aaron saying mUmmy give anyone a clue? or was that just me?


deb - i wasnt trying to scare you silly

Aaron calling Kate "mommy" doesn't prove anything.

And I'm anything but sweet :P

well he didnt say MOMmy, he said MUMmy

where are all of our Brits from across the pond?!?!? Do we have anyone from down under on the board/bored?
Title: Re: "It is crucial that you, yourself, raise this child."
Post by: Staggerlee on February 26, 2008, 11:20:32 AM
I think the Aaron is Claire's Aaron, but obviously the question on everyone's mind is "why". 

I also think he's Claire's Aaron (didn't realize he called Kate mummy with an accent, that would definitely be making the point) and I think the 'why' will turn out to be more than just that Claire died.  That's my final answer, I'm locking it in, tell me what I've won, John............

One more thing:  If I think the producers might throw us a ridiculous idiotic twist, even if I think it is ridiculous and idiotic, does that still make me a ridiculous idiot?


"There is a vast open prairie of possibilities to the ridiculous idiot, compared to the four walls, roof and ceiling of those living in a box...

The Philosophical Mule

Idiotically Ridiculous, deal me in!
Title: Re: "It is crucial that you, yourself, raise this child."
Post by: LostAndSeek on February 26, 2008, 04:43:36 PM
Great quote, Staggerlee!
Title: Re: "It is crucial that you, yourself, raise this child."
Post by: T Mack on February 26, 2008, 04:51:07 PM
Maybe Claire is one of the Oceanic 8 (8 survived and 2 died according to Jack's testimony)-she had to have survived the plane crash in order to have the baby in the first place.  That is unless, of course, that Kate claims the baby as her own and it's not 'adopted" by Kate on the island after Claire's death.  Perhaps it was Claire's dying wish that Kate adopt the baby.  Personally, my feeling is that Jack and Kate are lying through their teeth and are claiming it to be Kate's baby, when the know in reality that it is Claire's.  This raises a whole new possibility of a storyline ("this child must not be raised by another", according to Malkin), and also it raises the possibilty that time must move slower on the island.  In effect, in order to believe the story that Kate has now taken the baby, you must believe that time is moving slower, due to the fact that Kate was NOT pregnant at the time of the crash. and we are only 100 days post crash in the timeline of the show.

Another less distinct possibility is that Claire willingly gave up Aaron to Kate to get him off the island, while she stayed behind for some unknown reason.  Kate then either concocted the story herself that the baby was hers, or is in cahoots with the evil corporation or whoever helped them make up their stories post island, making Kate a more sympathetic character because she now is a single mother.
Title: Re: "It is crucial that you, yourself, raise this child."
Post by: Staggerlee on February 26, 2008, 05:13:03 PM
Muchas Gracias, LostandSeek


with all the spec concerning Claire, and the timeline provided by the producers (also the timelines elsewhere on this forum) is there a chance of finding out her happenstance by the end of this shortened season?

As they said they've got 8 shows to fit into 5 now While this most likely will not be put on a back burner, I do hope it is not shuffled off w/o a proper send off for the Australian cutie...(kinda miss the gothy black hair and smudgy eyeliner, takes me back....)
Hopefully it is befitting our fav love child, carrier of the island's Savior.......
Title: Re: "It is crucial that you, yourself, raise this child."
Post by: cbw420 on February 26, 2008, 05:31:30 PM
Maybe Claire is one of the Oceanic 8 (8 survived and 2 died according to Jack's testimony)-she had to have survived the plane crash in order to have the baby in the first place.  That is unless, of course, that Kate claims the baby as her own and it's not 'adopted" by Kate on the island after Claire's death.  Perhaps it was Claire's dying wish that Kate adopt the baby.  Personally, my feeling is that Jack and Kate are lying through their teeth and are claiming it to be Kate's baby, when the know in reality that it is Claire's.  This raises a whole new possibility of a storyline ("this child must not be raised by another", according to Malkin), and also it raises the possibilty that time must move slower on the island.  In effect, in order to believe the story that Kate has now taken the baby, you must believe that time is moving slower, due to the fact that Kate was NOT pregnant at the time of the crash. and we are only 100 days post crash in the timeline of the show.

i'm picking up what you're putting down here, but somethings we dont know in reference to the timeline and Kate claiming Aaron as her own

right now we know Aaron is about 3months old (present time) and during Kates flashforward they listed Aaron as "two yr old boy"

so its about 1yr 9months, to 2yrs from the 100 day marker,

what we dont know is how much time it takes them to get from island to freighter and then freighter to Mainland

it could all make sense if Kate is to claim she was a few months preggo while on the flight that crashed

did this make sense?
Title: Re: "It is crucial that you, yourself, raise this child."
Post by: cbw420 on February 26, 2008, 05:33:08 PM
I do hope it is not shuffled off w/o a proper send off for the Australian cutie...(kinda miss the gothy black hair and smudgy eyeliner, takes me back....)
Hopefully it is befitting our fav love child, carrier of the island's Savior.......

so hot!!! i love claire, i think she is ridiculously hot and the gothy black hair was sooooo nice lol
Title: Re: "It is crucial that you, yourself, raise this child."
Post by: Monalisa on February 26, 2008, 05:39:43 PM
Surprised no one has discussed this, so here I go.  
1.  Claire is hanging out with Locke, which suggests she doesn't want to get off the island.  And Locke doesn't want anyone to get off the island and apparently is willing to kill to stop them.
2.  Jack badly wants to get himself and everyone else off the island, and is willing to hurt Locke to get them off.  Jack would particulary want to get Claire and the baby off if he knew that she was his half sister.
3.  So let's assume a few things that seem the most likely based upon currently known tidbits and opinions (yes, I know, but bear with me): Claire gets on the helicopter as in Des' vision; Claire dies or she wouldn't give up Aaron; Jack knows about the half-sister connection (Ben sure as heck would know and seems to like to tell Jack stuff that is hard to hear); Jack feels so guilty about something that he wouldn't want to see his own nephew OR be the one to care for him even though he is related to Aaron and Kate is not; Claire's Aaron is Kate's Aaron; Kate would not use Aaron as a pawn in her lawsuit, as she had told the attorney that she didn't want her son involved.
4.  Logical next jump for me - Jack convinces Claire to get on the helicopter with Aaron; Locke doesn't like it and might use a gun to stop them; Jack doesn't like Locke trying to stop them from leaving and uses force to stop Locke from stopping them; Claire gets killed in the struggle BY JACK (accidentally) while he is gunning for Locke.
That would definitely make Jack feel pretty guilty...

Title: Re: "It is crucial that you, yourself, raise this child."
Post by: cbw420 on February 26, 2008, 05:47:23 PM
4.  Logical next jump for me - Jack convinces Claire to get on the helicopter with Aaron; Locke doesn't like it and might use a gun to stop them; Jack doesn't like Locke trying to stop them from leaving and uses force to stop Locke from stopping them; Claire gets killed in the struggle BY JACK (accidentally) while he is gunning for Locke.
That would definitely make Jack feel pretty guilty...

this makes sense

also i would like to touch on Kate NOT using Aaron as a pawn.......i think this was simply because Aaron is not hers and she doesnt want to jepordize her having him, it could draw too many questions during the hearing?
Title: Re: "It is crucial that you, yourself, raise this child."
Post by: Lost Ed on February 26, 2008, 08:42:07 PM
Doesn't make sense.  I haven't seen anything from Locke suggesting people shouldn' t l;eave the island.  He's saying not with these people (Freighter types.)  Claire believes Locke, that these people are dangerous.

Has nothing to do with wanting or not wanting to get off the isalnd.
Has to do with, as Sawyer said, Survival.
Title: Re: "It is crucial that you, yourself, raise this child."
Post by: lostfan777 on February 26, 2008, 08:44:08 PM
"There is a vast open prairie of possibilities to the ridiculous idiot, compared to the four walls, roof and ceiling of those living in a box...

The Philosophical Mule

Idiotically Ridiculous, deal me in!

Oh give me a home, where the buffalo roam........!  Love the quote, may I use it?

I do hope it is not shuffled off w/o a proper send off for the Australian cutie...(kinda miss the gothy black hair and smudgy eyeliner, takes me back....)
Hopefully it is befitting our fav love child, carrier of the island's Savior.......

so hot!!! i love claire, i think she is ridiculously hot and the gothy black hair was sooooo nice lol

We're on the same page here, I'll tell you!  My first post ever was about Claire being a pretty blond but smokin' hot as a brunette!   :o
Title: Re: "It is crucial that you, yourself, raise this child."
Post by: LostAndSeek on February 26, 2008, 09:04:08 PM
Doesn't make sense.  I haven't seen anything from Locke suggesting people shouldn' t l;eave the island.  He's saying not with these people (Freighter types.)  Claire believes Locke, that these people are dangerous.

Has nothing to do with wanting or not wanting to get off the isalnd.
Has to do with, as Sawyer said, Survival.

Welllll, he did knock out Sayid when he was trying to triangulate Rousseau's radio tower. He did blow up Mikhail's station. And, oh yeah, there was the little sub incident. So, I think it's fair to say he wants to keep the island isolated.
Title: Re: "It is crucial that you, yourself, raise this child."
Post by: Staggerlee on February 26, 2008, 09:06:39 PM
"There is a vast open prairie of possibilities to the ridiculous idiot, compared to the four walls, roof and ceiling of those living in a box...

The Philosophical Mule

Idiotically Ridiculous, deal me in!

Oh give me a home, where the buffalo roam........!  Love the quote, may I use it?

I do hope it is not shuffled off w/o a proper send off for the Australian cutie...(kinda miss the gothy black hair and smudgy eyeliner, takes me back....)
Hopefully it is befitting our fav love child, carrier of the island's Savior.......

so hot!!! i love claire, i think she is ridiculously hot and the gothy black hair was sooooo nice lol

We're on the same page here, I'll tell you!  My first post ever was about Claire being a pretty blond but smokin' hot as a brunette!   :o


Use away, Lostfan, use away...!

Am intrigued by the idea that it is just these people Locke is wary of and not staying on the island[put forth by Lost Ed], though If I am not wrong, Locke is pretty much attached to the place, no Randy figure here (yet) and wants to keep it as is, sans outsiders,  yes Claire has decided to stay with Him an his tribe...Unless something like slo-mo time happens, we should be finding out about Claire in the near and near....
Title: Re: "It is crucial that you, yourself, raise this child."
Post by: E.S.B. on February 26, 2008, 09:40:25 PM

4.  Logical next jump for me - Jack convinces Claire to get on the helicopter with Aaron; Locke doesn't like it and might use a gun to stop them; Jack doesn't like Locke trying to stop them from leaving and uses force to stop Locke from stopping them; Claire gets killed in the struggle BY JACK (accidentally) while he is gunning for Locke.
That would definitely make Jack feel pretty guilty...

Monalisa, great post!  I think you may have hit the nail on the head here.
Title: Re: "It is crucial that you, yourself, raise this child."
Post by: Gutterball94 on February 26, 2008, 09:50:41 PM

4.  Logical next jump for me - Jack convinces Claire to get on the helicopter with Aaron; Locke doesn't like it and might use a gun to stop them; Jack doesn't like Locke trying to stop them from leaving and uses force to stop Locke from stopping them; Claire gets killed in the struggle BY JACK (accidentally) while he is gunning for Locke.
That would definitely make Jack feel pretty guilty...

Monalisa, great post!  I think you may have hit the nail on the head here.

A definite possibility, good idea.
Title: Re: "It is crucial that you, yourself, raise this child."
Post by: E-Rich on February 26, 2008, 10:50:49 PM
I voted "other" - but have no alternate explanation.  Claire MAY die - but I can't say for sure.  I think it will be something we haven't thought of yet....
Title: Re: "It is crucial that you, yourself, raise this child."
Post by: Ladybug on February 27, 2008, 11:16:54 AM
Maybe Claire is one of the Oceanic 8 (8 survived and 2 died according to Jack's testimony)-she had to have survived the plane crash in order to have the baby in the first place.  That is unless, of course, that Kate claims the baby as her own and it's not 'adopted" by Kate on the island after Claire's death.  Perhaps it was Claire's dying wish that Kate adopt the baby.  Personally, my feeling is that Jack and Kate are lying through their teeth and are claiming it to be Kate's baby, when the know in reality that it is Claire's.  This raises a whole new possibility of a storyline ("this child must not be raised by another", according to Malkin), and also it raises the possibilty that time must move slower on the island.  In effect, in order to believe the story that Kate has now taken the baby, you must believe that time is moving slower, due to the fact that Kate was NOT pregnant at the time of the crash. and we are only 100 days post crash in the timeline of the show.

i'm picking up what you're putting down here, but somethings we dont know in reference to the timeline and Kate claiming Aaron as her own

right now we know Aaron is about 3months old (present time) and during Kates flashforward they listed Aaron as "two yr old boy"

so its about 1yr 9months, to 2yrs from the 100 day marker,

what we dont know is how much time it takes them to get from island to freighter and then freighter to Mainland

it could all make sense if Kate is to claim she was a few months preggo while on the flight that crashed

did this make sense?
amen brotha!  it makes perfect sense to me.  i keep thinking, why can't kate tell people when she gets of the island she was 6 mos pregnant when she got there?  is that not possible?  she may not have really looked like it, but at 6 months some people still don't show much.  she was on the run, she wasn't in contact with friends/family, she was in a strange country.  i just don't think the possibility of the child being hers (or being portrayed as hers) is out there.  if she was 6 mos preggo, had the baby at 8 months, then you're only looking at aarons age being off by 2 months.  not that big of a deal when you're looking at a 2 yo.  especially a 2 yo that has been on an island for his entire life.  not far fetched for him to be developmentally or physically be behind normal any way. 
Title: Re: "It is crucial that you, yourself, raise this child."
Post by: LostGirlDeb on February 27, 2008, 11:43:34 AM
Claire gets on the chopper and then something happens and she dies
(They pushed her off!-j/k)

Kate takes the baby to raise as her own
Jack knows it his 1/2 sister's baby but he is filled with guilt and remorse about something to do with Clair'es death so that is why he doesn't want to see him.

Kate and Jack and the other 4 of the 6 know the truth but have lied to the public, media etc.. (duh)
Kate doesn't use Aaron in court because she doesn't want to draw attention to him and the questions that may come up about his "real identity"

(This all fits nicely in a little box doesn't it?  Almost a lttle too simple)

But I'm sticking to Claire is going to die.
Title: Re: "It is crucial that you, yourself, raise this child."
Post by: SQUIRT199 on February 27, 2008, 01:16:20 PM

Aaron calling Kate "mommy" doesn't prove anything.

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Well it kinda proves that Aaron thinks Kate is his mom, doenst it?
Title: Re: "It is crucial that you, yourself, raise this child."
Post by: jugdish on February 27, 2008, 02:45:22 PM
Maybe Claire is one of the Oceanic 8 (8 survived and 2 died according to Jack's testimony)-she had to have survived the plane crash in order to have the baby in the first place.  That is unless, of course, that Kate claims the baby as her own and it's not 'adopted" by Kate on the island after Claire's death.  Perhaps it was Claire's dying wish that Kate adopt the baby.  Personally, my feeling is that Jack and Kate are lying through their teeth and are claiming it to be Kate's baby, when the know in reality that it is Claire's.  This raises a whole new possibility of a storyline ("this child must not be raised by another", according to Malkin), and also it raises the possibilty that time must move slower on the island.  In effect, in order to believe the story that Kate has now taken the baby, you must believe that time is moving slower, due to the fact that Kate was NOT pregnant at the time of the crash. and we are only 100 days post crash in the timeline of the show.

i'm picking up what you're putting down here, but somethings we dont know in reference to the timeline and Kate claiming Aaron as her own

right now we know Aaron is about 3months old (present time) and during Kates flashforward they listed Aaron as "two yr old boy"

so its about 1yr 9months, to 2yrs from the 100 day marker,

what we dont know is how much time it takes them to get from island to freighter and then freighter to Mainland

it could all make sense if Kate is to claim she was a few months preggo while on the flight that crashed

did this make sense?
amen brotha!  it makes perfect sense to me.  i keep thinking, why can't kate tell people when she gets of the island she was 6 mos pregnant when she got there?  is that not possible?  she may not have really looked like it, but at 6 months some people still don't show much.  she was on the run, she wasn't in contact with friends/family, she was in a strange country.  i just don't think the possibility of the child being hers (or being portrayed as hers) is out there.  if she was 6 mos preggo, had the baby at 8 months, then you're only looking at aarons age being off by 2 months.  not that big of a deal when you're looking at a 2 yo.  especially a 2 yo that has been on an island for his entire life.  not far fetched for him to be developmentally or physically be behind normal any way. 

Not farfetched in a show with smoke monsters, time issues, polar bears in the desert etc.

THe lie could be told.
Title: Re: "It is crucial that you, yourself, raise this child."
Post by: Gutterball94 on February 27, 2008, 10:34:42 PM
I don't think that we're getting caught up on something that matters here. The lie could be told, but that leads to the more important question of WHY the lie needs to be told.
For those out there who are still unconvinced that Kate's "son" is Claire's Aaron, then you're watching the wrong show. Perhaps you need to re-watch the first few seasons to understand that this isn't a show that would take an unnecessary turn and name two young male characters the exact same name.
As to whether or not Kate is lying about her "son" I'm here to tell you it isn't important. We know it isn't her son. We know that something bad had to happen to Claire. Now the only question is: does the world even think that Claire Littleton survived the plane crash to even have the baby? If so what are the chances of someone connecting the dots? Maybe Thomas, Claire's BF, has a suspicion about the baby, maybe he knew she wanted to name the baby Aaron, if it was a boy, and wants a DNA test. Outside of that small possibility I don't think it matters if Kate lied or not, she has Aaron, she seems to be his Mother, even though its not in a biological sense.
Title: Re: "It is crucial that you, yourself, raise this child."
Post by: RM on February 28, 2008, 11:06:53 AM
4.  Logical next jump for me - Jack convinces Claire to get on the helicopter with Aaron; Locke doesn't like it and might use a gun to stop them; Jack doesn't like Locke trying to stop them from leaving and uses force to stop Locke from stopping them; Claire gets killed in the struggle BY JACK (accidentally) while he is gunning for Locke.
That would definitely make Jack feel pretty guilty...

This could also be foreshadowed when Locke said to Claire previously (when Ben shot Charlotte?), "What if you had been caught in the crossfire?"

------

People seem to be convinced that Aaron is good.  My original impression from the psychic was that Aaron was evil, especially if Claire didn't raise him, and that's why he purposely sent Claire on a plane he knew was going to crash.
Title: Re: "It is crucial that you, yourself, raise this child."
Post by: cbw420 on February 28, 2008, 11:28:15 AM
I don't think that we're getting caught up on something that matters here. The lie could be told, but that leads to the more important question of WHY the lie needs to be told.
For those out there who are still unconvinced that Kate's "son" is Claire's Aaron, then you're watching the wrong show. Perhaps you need to re-watch the first few seasons to understand that this isn't a show that would take an unnecessary turn and name two young male characters the exact same name.
As to whether or not Kate is lying about her "son" I'm here to tell you it isn't important. We know it isn't her son. We know that something bad had to happen to Claire. Now the only question is: does the world even think that Claire Littleton survived the plane crash to even have the baby? If so what are the chances of someone connecting the dots? Maybe Thomas, Claire's BF, has a suspicion about the baby, maybe he knew she wanted to name the baby Aaron, if it was a boy, and wants a DNA test. Outside of that small possibility I don't think it matters if Kate lied or not, she has Aaron, she seems to be his Mother, even though its not in a biological sense.

you my friend are one of the few who knows what is going on!!!

kudos!!!

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Title: Re: "It is crucial that you, yourself, raise this child."
Post by: jugdish on February 28, 2008, 12:14:32 PM
I don't think that we're getting caught up on something that matters here. The lie could be told, but that leads to the more important question of WHY the lie needs to be told.
For those out there who are still unconvinced that Kate's "son" is Claire's Aaron, then you're watching the wrong show. Perhaps you need to re-watch the first few seasons to understand that this isn't a show that would take an unnecessary turn and name two young male characters the exact same name.
As to whether or not Kate is lying about her "son" I'm here to tell you it isn't important. We know it isn't her son. We know that something bad had to happen to Claire. Now the only question is: does the world even think that Claire Littleton survived the plane crash to even have the baby? If so what are the chances of someone connecting the dots? Maybe Thomas, Claire's BF, has a suspicion about the baby, maybe he knew she wanted to name the baby Aaron, if it was a boy, and wants a DNA test. Outside of that small possibility I don't think it matters if Kate lied or not, she has Aaron, she seems to be his Mother, even though its not in a biological sense.

you my friend are one of the few who knows what is going on!!!

kudos!!!

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Very well stated. Dead on right.
Title: Re: "It is crucial that you, yourself, raise this child."
Post by: *MaZ* on February 28, 2008, 12:49:27 PM
Does anyone remember what exactly the psychic told Claire back in Australia?
As far as I remember, that it was crucial she raised Aaron herself, but later told her he found a suitable couple in L.A. who could do it. Thus she's in flight 815.
Well, maybe it's all part of connecting Aaron to the suitable couple: Jack and Kate, who in the future we find are L.A. based.
Could it be that the universe is self-correcting again?
 :o
Title: Re: "It is crucial that you, yourself, raise this child."
Post by: Monalisa on February 28, 2008, 01:28:18 PM
Yes, but it would appear from information revealed later when we see psychic dude again that he believed himself to be a phoney, and that the story about the couple was possibly a ruse just to get Claire on that flight.  So it isn't clear that there ever really was a couple waiting for the baby.  Interesting question though - that would be a curve from left field!
Title: Re: "It is crucial that you, yourself, raise this child."
Post by: Madam P on February 28, 2008, 02:46:14 PM
I don't think that we're getting caught up on something that matters here. The lie could be told, but that leads to the more important question of WHY the lie needs to be told.
For those out there who are still unconvinced that Kate's "son" is Claire's Aaron, then you're watching the wrong show. Perhaps you need to re-watch the first few seasons to understand that this isn't a show that would take an unnecessary turn and name two young male characters the exact same name.
As to whether or not Kate is lying about her "son" I'm here to tell you it isn't important. We know it isn't her son. We know that something bad had to happen to Claire. Now the only question is: does the world even think that Claire Littleton survived the plane crash to even have the baby? If so what are the chances of someone connecting the dots? Maybe Thomas, Claire's BF, has a suspicion about the baby, maybe he knew she wanted to name the baby Aaron, if it was a boy, and wants a DNA test. Outside of that small possibility I don't think it matters if Kate lied or not, she has Aaron, she seems to be his Mother, even though its not in a biological sense.

you my friend are one of the few who knows what is going on!!!

kudos!!!

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Very well stated. Dead on right.

Add me as one more who sees it this way.  The baby is definitely Claire's Aaron.  Then we can go back to the biblical tie-ins -- Aaron was Moses' brother; Moses was given up by his biological mother to be raised by a foster mother who could save his life.  I can see it as some of the scenarios posted earlier -- Claire and Aaron get onto the helicopter (thus fulfilling Desmond's vision - I don't think he lied), but then something happens (probably Jack's fault  ;)) and Claire doesn't quite make it back into the 'copter before it takes off, and she hands the baby in to Kate and says "Take my baby!" cue dramatic music right before Claire dies...  This could explain Jack's reluctance to see the baby, as it reminds him of his responsibility for Claire's death.  I'm guessing that after their rescue, Kate has been passing Aaron off as her biological child, so that no messy custody claims can come up if she's actually convicted -- no way would someone with her history be allowed to foster or adopt a child, but they wouldn't take away a biological one.  Would they do DNA tests?  Probably not.  A plane crash survivor with a doctor to testify for her?  Nah.  They'd just take it for granted that she was the mom.  Especially if she's the only female of the Oceanic Six.  : 8)

Does anyone remember what exactly the psychic told Claire back in Australia?
As far as I remember, that it was crucial she raised Aaron herself, but later told her he found a suitable couple in L.A. who could do it. Thus she's in flight 815.
Well, maybe it's all part of connecting Aaron to the suitable couple: Jack and Kate, who in the future we find are L.A. based.
Could it be that the universe is self-correcting again?
 :o

Ooooo!  I like that, too.

Am I the only one who was absolutely certain that in that last scene Kate was going to lean over the baby and say "Go back to sleep, James...." ?
Title: Re: "It is crucial that you, yourself, raise this child."
Post by: Gutterball94 on February 28, 2008, 07:16:45 PM
Yes, but it would appear from information revealed later when we see psychic dude again that he believed himself to be a phoney, and that the story about the couple was possibly a ruse just to get Claire on that flight.  So it isn't clear that there ever really was a couple waiting for the baby.  Interesting question though - that would be a curve from left field!

Even if it was a ruse, which we can safely assume that it was, it doesn't make him less of a psychic. He told Claire that, bought her tickets, gave her money, he had to have believed in his abilities well enough.
Title: Re: "It is crucial that you, yourself, raise this child."
Post by: Monalisa on February 28, 2008, 07:41:07 PM
Or... he was being paid by someone to get her on that flight...
Title: Re: "It is crucial that you, yourself, raise this child."
Post by: Gutterball94 on February 28, 2008, 09:15:04 PM
Or... he was being paid by someone to get her on that flight...
Possibly, but then you'd have to make the argument that Oceanic 815 was SUPPOSED to crash. Who else knew it was going to crash so that they could pay Malkin? Why is Clarie needed on the plane? I think that's too much to support... its much easier, and more plausible, to say that Malkin knew what he was doing.
Title: Re: "It is crucial that you, yourself, raise this child."
Post by: Holland34 on March 01, 2008, 03:36:06 AM
Nah... I don't think Aaron was Claire's.  I think it was Jack and Locke's love child named after the little baby that finally brought them together.  And they all sang, "Kumbaya!"
Title: Re: "It is crucial that you, yourself, raise this child."
Post by: phoodyb on March 04, 2008, 11:03:31 AM
my very 1st reaction was "why did Kate steal Aron" because Claire, at all costs, must be Aron's Mom.
Title: Re: "It is crucial that you, yourself, raise this child."
Post by: relient k on March 06, 2008, 06:14:54 PM
Oh my god this is confusing!!!! Kate said that was hers and Sawyer's, how could it have been Aaron?!!? How?!?!
By the way, I voted Clair wanted to get Aaron off the Island so she gave him to Kate, but then why would Kate say its hers/Sawyers?  ???
Title: Re: "It is crucial that you, yourself, raise this child."
Post by: Lost Ed on March 07, 2008, 11:03:19 AM
kate never said it was hers and Aaron's.
Title: Re: "It is crucial that you, yourself, raise this child."
Post by: LostAndSeek on March 07, 2008, 06:40:37 PM
Right, never mentioned the father.
Title: Re: "It is crucial that you, yourself, raise this child."
Post by: LostinLock on December 01, 2009, 09:01:20 PM
That is the line that the fortune teller Malkin said in S1E10. We now know that this isn't going to be the case.
They go on to say:

MALKIN: This child parented by anyone else, anyone other than you -- danger surrounds this baby. . .

CLAIRE: Danger?

MALKIN: Your nature, your spirit, your goodness, must be an influence in the development of this child.

CLAIRE: If Thomas and I don't get back together I'm putting this baby up for adoption. I just wanted to find out what would give the baby the happiest life.

MALKIN: There is no happy life -- not for this child, not without you.


Thoughts?

Oh now that this is like going to be two years old one must sit back and say what is going to happen to baby Aaron who is a little boy now.
Title: Re: "It is crucial that you, yourself, raise this child."
Post by: BadRobot64 on December 09, 2009, 05:12:01 PM
unless Christian is Aaron
Title: Re: "It is crucial that you, yourself, raise this child."
Post by: E.S.B. on December 09, 2009, 09:25:01 PM
That is the line that the fortune teller Malkin said in S1E10. We now know that this isn't going to be the case.
They go on to say:

MALKIN: This child parented by anyone else, anyone other than you -- danger surrounds this baby. . .

CLAIRE: Danger?

MALKIN: Your nature, your spirit, your goodness, must be an influence in the development of this child.

CLAIRE: If Thomas and I don't get back together I'm putting this baby up for adoption. I just wanted to find out what would give the baby the happiest life.

MALKIN: There is no happy life -- not for this child, not without you.


Thoughts?

Oh now that this is like going to be two years old one must sit back and say what is going to happen to baby Aaron who is a little boy now.

Well Kate went back to the Island to find Claire.  So there's gotta be a Claire/Aaron reunion at some point.  And maybe that is what will make everything right with the world.  Maybe that's why they had to come back?
Title: Re: "It is crucial that you, yourself, raise this child."
Post by: LostinLock on December 10, 2009, 06:21:51 AM
That is the line that the fortune teller Malkin said in S1E10. We now know that this isn't going to be the case.
They go on to say:

MALKIN: This child parented by anyone else, anyone other than you -- danger surrounds this baby. . .

CLAIRE: Danger?

MALKIN: Your nature, your spirit, your goodness, must be an influence in the development of this child.

CLAIRE: If Thomas and I don't get back together I'm putting this baby up for adoption. I just wanted to find out what would give the baby the happiest life.

MALKIN: There is no happy life -- not for this child, not without you.


Thoughts?

Oh now that this is like going to be two years old one must sit back and say what is going to happen to baby Aaron who is a little boy now.

Well Kate went back to the Island to find Claire.  So there's gotta be a Claire/Aaron reunion at some point.  And maybe that is what will make everything right with the world.  Maybe that's why they had to come back?
Ummm could be E.S.B. but they had to go back to get the folks from the 70's back.  that is what i am banking on.  Cause thas was the tear that was messing some of the things up