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Title: Where is Nadia???
Post by: nikarro on February 15, 2008, 07:16:09 PM
I grew up in California until I was twelve on an air force base, as an adult now I find it hard to locate the people I grew up with, their families lived elsewhere and they are all over the country.  But like I said, I find it HARD, I also work at the IRS and know that you can find ANYONE if you try hard enough....So it might be hard for him to find Nadia, but why hasn't he???  Or if he did, where is she now???
Title: Re: Where is Nadia???
Post by: TheGoodPeople on February 15, 2008, 07:18:15 PM
shes somewhere in California. she was in one of Locke's flash backs. Right?

plus being a war refugee from Iraq Nadia may have taken measures to change her name or hide her identity.
Title: Re: Where is Nadia???
Post by: Lost-N-Detroit on February 15, 2008, 07:20:08 PM
The quote from Ben to Sayid last night about," Last time you lead with your heart and got shot."
What if one of Syaid's jobs is to go get Nadia, because Nadia works for THEM?
Title: Re: Where is Nadia???
Post by: Blackrock Bob on February 15, 2008, 07:28:53 PM
I think that Nadia was used against Sayid or he is protecting her.
Maybe she has a husband and children now. Sayid would want her to be happy.
Title: Re: Where is Nadia???
Post by: Lion of Atreides on February 15, 2008, 07:34:52 PM
What if one of Syaid's jobs is to go get Nadia, because Nadia works for THEM?

Quite possible.  Can Nadia's interactions with Sayid, Locke & Charlie all be coincidental? Or was she employed as a fixer, nudging some of the Losties on a path that would lead them to Flight 815? Maybe, tho, she's a fixer for Ben & Company, and the woman who got Sayid shot last time is another woman entirely (a not-dead Naomi?).
Title: Re: Where is Nadia???
Post by: Lost-N-Detroit on February 15, 2008, 07:38:10 PM
Nadia a fixer?
Would this put her in the same organization as the monk and the ring lady?
They both seemed to want to get Des to the island as a possible fixer.
Title: Re: Where is Nadia???
Post by: Lion of Atreides on February 15, 2008, 07:59:07 PM
Nadia didn't strike me as having the mystical chops to be more than a normal person in the real world employed as a fixer.  Tho, she was involved in that Des - Charlie - Mrs. Hawkins/Monk nexus, so I wouldn't say so without a doubt.
Title: Re: Where is Nadia???
Post by: LostAndSeek on February 15, 2008, 08:18:19 PM
I've said a few times that I think Sayid got some news about Nadia just before the 815 takeoff that meant she was no longer available to him as a love interest. I don't know how else to explain his taking up with Shannon so quickly when the flight was supposed to be taking him to Nadia.

So, I figured she was either dead or told him something like, "Are you nuts, you tortured me and I never want to see you again".

But, if she were alive, well, and happily married, that would probably have the same effect on Sayid wanting to move on.

And yeah, he'd still be protective of her.
Title: Re: Where is Nadia???
Post by: Lost-N-Detroit on February 15, 2008, 08:28:54 PM
When did we find out that Syaid was on Ocieanic 815 to go see Nadia?
Title: Re: Where is Nadia???
Post by: pauinha6 on February 15, 2008, 08:32:22 PM
I think that Nadia was used against Sayid or he is protecting her.
Maybe she has a husband and children now. Sayid would want her to be happy.

 i think They (the ppl on the list, Abaddons "partners" i think) somehow got Nadia killed, and Ben used Sayid pain to make him believe his friends (O6 and plus) were in danger and They would kill them of he wouldn't kill them first, that is why Sayid is unwillingly playing hitman for Ben.... just my thoughts...
Title: Re: Where is Nadia???
Post by: LostAndSeek on February 15, 2008, 08:32:56 PM
His payoff for going undercover with the terrorist cell in Australia was the whereabouts of Nadia. The spooks told him she was in Tustin, CA. He delayed getting on the plane to be sure his friend got a decent burial. I think he must have gotten some news about Nadia during that extra 24 hours.
Title: Re: Where is Nadia???
Post by: Lion of Atreides on February 15, 2008, 08:45:31 PM
His payoff for going undercover with the terrorist cell in Australia was the whereabouts of Nadia. The spooks told him she was in Tustin, CA. He delayed getting on the plane to be sure his friend got a decent burial. I think he must have gotten some news about Nadia during that extra 24 hours.

This is all correct.  Yet not long after getting on the plane to see Nadia, he starts shacking up with Shannon.  Just taking advantage of an opportunity? Anyway, it's clear Sayid is one of the O6, and not sneaking off via Ben's means of egress from the island, as he said he got the settlement as one of the O6.  Per this week's big "Who's the 4th O6?".  I would imagine that being very wealthy, he could try to see/woo Nadia.  Either that ended badly for Sayid (Ben: in Sayid getting shot for his heart), or Nadia wasn't there after all, and Ben is referring to some yet-to-be-named 4th love interest.

Ah, Sayid should just get a puppy.
Title: Re: Where is Nadia???
Post by: pauinha6 on February 17, 2008, 06:55:11 PM
 somehow i have a feeling that Nadia was the 1st think on his mind when he got off that island, AND the one on Ben's mind when he mentioned the "when you think with your heart instead of your gun" moment... As i posted ^ i think Nadia is dead!
Title: Re: Where is Nadia???
Post by: Lion of Atreides on February 17, 2008, 07:22:46 PM
Wouldn't it be sad if Sayid ends up shooting Nadia? That'd be three romances shot dead by his own hand.  If so, our torturer's fatal flaw will seem to be that romance and sentiment are no longer possible for someone such as Sayid has become.  Or, that perhaps Sayid's astute abilities, the ones which make him such a good torturer, are blinded whenever romance enters the picture.  Ergo, Ben's implied suggestion that perhaps he should just be a killer, and not a lover.  Three attempts at happiness, and all three ended in a brutal death of the source of that happiness.  Best if he just avoids seeking happiness through love, and be satisfied with the gun.

Ben, too, seems to have embraced that philosophy in his own life.  To be a manipulative SOB, you can't be having a giddy romance, or even wanting to.
Title: Re: Where is Nadia???
Post by: LostAndSeek on February 17, 2008, 08:39:00 PM
Sayid didn't shoot Shannon....
Title: Re: Where is Nadia???
Post by: Lion of Atreides on February 17, 2008, 09:11:35 PM
Ooh, you're right. It was Ana-Lucia.  But Shannon died in Sayid's arms nonetheless.  Perhaps as punishment of Sayid for falling for her in the first place.  Which is odd that he did so, seeing as he was flying to LA to reunite with Nadia. Two-timer!
Title: Re: Where is Nadia???
Post by: footballmom10 on February 17, 2008, 10:48:38 PM
If the original crash was to put commando's on the island disguised as survivors and the lists were to track down which of the group were the bad people....could Anna-Lucia have been killed (along with Hurley's girlfriend) purposefully?

Could Ben have known that it was going to happen all along like a Desmond flash?

Where's Nadia?  Where's Waldo? ;) ;)
Title: Re: Where is Nadia???
Post by: Lion of Atreides on February 17, 2008, 11:21:31 PM
I like Puff6962's notion that the Losties are Others who were sent out into the world, have lost their way/diverged from their true selves, and were maneuvered (by the island?) onto Flight 815 to be brought back to the island, where they could attempt to rectify themselves, or like Eko, be judged failures and elininated.

I think Sayid will hook up with Nadia later in this season...
Title: Re: Where is Nadia???
Post by: WhatThe on February 17, 2008, 11:23:53 PM
Sayid didn't get any extra info about Nadia after the CIA gave him her whereabouts...he went and bought a tie at the airport right before boarding the plane (apparently to make himself look better for her). He got detained briefly because Shannon turned him in as "suspicious" (he asked her to watch his bags).

I also got the impression that when Ben said in the flash-forward that Sayid got shot the "last time he followed his heart" (or whatever he said), that he was talking about the woman Sayid just killed (Elsie?)...because it was obvious he had feelings for her because he warned her to leave the country...he didn't want her to be hurt. And she DID shoot him lol...
Title: Re: Where is Nadia???
Post by: Lion of Atreides on February 17, 2008, 11:31:25 PM

I also got the impression that when Ben said in the flash-forward that Sayid got shot the "last time he followed his heart" (or whatever he said), that he was talking about the woman Sayid just killed (Elsie?)...

Since the vet clinic scene closely follows Elsie's shooting, clearly Elsie is "this time", while "last time" is another woman, likely Nadia. Ben is great. He has the ability to take 'nyah nyah, I told you so' to a whole 'nother level.
Title: Re: Where is Nadia???
Post by: footballmom10 on February 17, 2008, 11:43:42 PM
I like Puff6962's notion that the Losties are Others who were sent out into the world, have lost their way/diverged from their true selves, and were maneuvered (by the island?) onto Flight 815 to be brought back to the island, where they could attempt to rectify themselves, or like Eko, be judged failures and elininated.

I think Sayid will hook up with Nadia later in this season...
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But, we have a flash of Jack as a young boy (when he got in a fight).  That would mean that Jack got sent out as a baby, young boy, or something else. 

Also, I think that you have to provide for some mechanism by which these guys lost their memories or diverged from their true selves.  Alternate realities....and in this one they're lost....and with redemption they can unite with their "total" self spanning all realities.  That would be a good use for the magic box and it would explain the other's incredible abilities.

I buy into this because of the russian guy's speech about being flaaaawed, weak, afraid, etc.  You have to be perfected to be on the list and united with or become your true island self. 

I don't know, Lion, was that what you were thinking? ???
Title: Re: Where is Nadia???
Post by: WhatThe on February 17, 2008, 11:46:05 PM

I also got the impression that when Ben said in the flash-forward that Sayid got shot the "last time he followed his heart" (or whatever he said), that he was talking about the woman Sayid just killed (Elsie?)...

Since the vet clinic scene closely follows Elsie's shooting, clearly Elsie is "this time", while "last time" is another woman, likely Nadia. Ben is great. He has the ability to take 'nyah nyah, I told you so' to a whole 'nother level.

The only thing about that is, why would Ben need to remind Sayid of some event in the past where he got shot after "leading with his heart instead of his head", when it just happened again earlier that day? It makes it sound like it hasn't happened since the "last" time and Sayid needed to be reminded of it...which you would think he wouldn't need to be reminded considering he still had a fresh bullet in him from leading with his heart and not his head mere hours ago. Sounds like an ongoing problem that Sayid has lol...
Title: Re: Where is Nadia???
Post by: KateReallyLovesJack on February 17, 2008, 11:53:21 PM
somehow i have a feeling that Nadia was the 1st think on his mind when he got off that island, AND the one on Ben's mind when he mentioned the "when you think with your heart instead of your gun" moment... As i posted ^ i think Nadia is dead!

I don't think that Nadia is dead at all. Sayid said right after, "You used that to recruit me into killing for you" - Sayid has been recruited into killing for Nadia 2 other times (3 times?). I don't believe that he would be hitting for Ben if Nadia was dead - he was always doing it in order to be with her before...
Title: Re: Where is Nadia???
Post by: WhatThe on February 17, 2008, 11:59:38 PM
Ok, now I'm possibly getting why Ben probably meant an earlier event, and probably regarding Nadia. I'm guessing that the last time Sayid "lead with his heart instead of his head" caused some harm of some sort to happen to Nadia (serious injury? kidnapping? on life support somewhere?)...Ben may have promised Sayid to take Nadia to the island to heal quicker or faster or whatever...to keep her from dying. But only if Sayid agreed to help Ben and do as he said. Nadia could be on the island!

Or not.
Title: Re: Where is Nadia???
Post by: KateReallyLovesJack on February 18, 2008, 12:07:00 AM
Never thought of it this way... I mean, I never thought of her as being injured - I always assumed we'd find out she's working for them or is being held by them (the Unknowns)

Not enough info to decide yet though.
Title: Re: Where is Nadia???
Post by: Lion of Atreides on February 18, 2008, 12:50:27 AM
I like Puff6962's notion that the Losties are Others who were sent out into the world, have lost their way/diverged from their true selves, and were maneuvered (by the island?) onto Flight 815 to be brought back to the island, where they could attempt to rectify themselves, or like Eko, be judged failures and elininated.

I think Sayid will hook up with Nadia later in this season...

But, we have a flash of Jack as a young boy (when he got in a fight).  That would mean that Jack got sent out as a baby, young boy, or something else. 

Also, I think that you have to provide for some mechanism by which these guys lost their memories or diverged from their true selves.  Alternate realities....and in this one they're lost....and with redemption they can unite with their "total" self spanning all realities.  That would be a good use for the magic box and it would explain the other's incredible abilities.

I buy into this because of the russian guy's speech about being flaaaawed, weak, afraid, etc.  You have to be perfected to be on the list and united with or become your true island self. 

I don't know, Lion, was that what you were thinking? ???

Ballpark.

Also, there seem to be multiple lists, not to be confused:
   * The Flight 815 crew & passenger manifest, of which:
     * The survivors, not all of which are:
        * The lost Others (i.e. any Lostie with a speaking part), of which:
           * Hurley, Kate, Sawyer, Jack, part of Ben's free surgery plan
   * Ben's hit list (of island enemies?)
   * Enlightened Others. Ben surely has listed them, too.

As for Jack's flashback to boyhood (I don't remember it specifically).  You might also cite Hurley's flashback as a young boy (which I do remember).  This goes to the thread of whether flashbacks/forwards are merely storytelling devices for our benefit, or impact the characters.  If we say merely for our benefit, then still, a critical juncture is a critical juncture, whether it happened just prior to boarding the plane (i.e. Jin & Sun, or Sayid & Shannon) or back in childhood. 

Do not forget:
  Only a fool is enslaved by time and space!