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Title: Charlotte stays?
Post by: CaseyMac on February 15, 2008, 04:55:14 AM
So, after getting kidnapped, shot, held hostage, then finally released, Charlotte still doesn't want to leave the island because she has "work to do".

So, why would an archaeologist want to stay on the island so badly?

So far I can only think of 2 references that would interest an archaeologist:

1. The 4 toed statue
2. Ben's people going to "the temple"

Do we think she will just be looking for the history of the island, or is she looking for something specific, Indiana Jones-style?

Title: Re: Charlotte stays?
Post by: Maxor127 on February 15, 2008, 05:22:34 AM
She's an athropologist.  I think all 4 of them are there for a specific reason, and Ben is just their means of getting what they want.
Title: Re: Charlotte stays?
Post by: Lion of Atreides on February 15, 2008, 06:18:19 AM
Agreed. She's basically been baggage during both episodes, and her archaeological passions are what brought her here.  Whereas Miles may be about the money, she & Dan are all about their work.  Still not sure if Frank is there for the money, or to seek some answers.
Title: Re: Charlotte stays?
Post by: Blackrock Bob on February 15, 2008, 07:19:50 AM
I'm sure she'd love to see the statue, Black Rock, and the temple. I'm sure she came all that way to get there, she wouldn't leave so easily.
Title: Re: Charlotte stays?
Post by: Ladybug on February 15, 2008, 10:16:42 AM
she's an anthropologist .  she probably (like the rest of us) just wants to know what's up with the island, what happened to the DHARMA people, who are the "natives" etc.  she has probably heard rumors and theories and now that she is there she just wants to figure it out.  she has found her holy grail.
Title: Re: Charlotte stays?
Post by: jugdish on February 15, 2008, 10:20:19 AM
She is there to identify who Adam and Eve is. Maybe we finally get an answer!
Title: Re: Charlotte stays?
Post by: T Mack on February 15, 2008, 10:23:03 AM
The whole episode was just a setup for future events, and quite frustrating.  It told us nothing, but I'm sure they will say that it sets up a  'big reveal' later in the series.  The episode was boring and plodding, and provided little new information, other than Sayid working for Ben in the future.

None of the Fantastic Fours true motivations have been revealed, and I fear if they don't speed it up a bit, we won't know until the final show of 2008 which will be a mistake.
Title: Re: Charlotte stays?
Post by: Lost Ed on February 15, 2008, 10:54:09 AM
Charlotte has interest with the island.

In Tunisia, she knew something about that polar bear being there, she knew something about Dharma by the way she intentionally looked for the bear's collar, and was "happy" or satisfied when she saw the Dharma logo.

She knows about Dharma, that much we know about her.  We don't know such about the other three.

I still want to know why Frank memorized the passenger list and why he wasn't on 815 as he says he should have been.

And Miles seems to be the only one truly interested in Ben.

Daniel was all emotional when he heard of the crash, for reasons unknown, but now seems very content to do his science.  I think he knows the island has interesting "properties."  But I feel he is Dharma ignorant.
Title: Re: Charlotte stays?
Post by: LostAndSeek on February 15, 2008, 05:14:02 PM
I agree that Charlotte has a personal interest in the island, probably in Dharma, and that's why she wants to stay. Plus she feels a lot safer now that she's out of Colonel Kurtz's hands.

I think Frank developed an obsession with 815 since he was s'posed to be the pilot and he realized early on that there was a coverup. So he wanted to know everything about it. Sort of like us with Lost.  ;)

Title: Re: Charlotte stays?
Post by: PrincessLeia on February 15, 2008, 05:18:06 PM
She is there to identify who Adam and Eve is. Maybe we finally get an answer!
I already know! ;)

she's an anthropologist .  she probably (like the rest of us) just wants to know what's up with the island, what happened to the DHARMA people, who are the "natives" etc.  she has probably heard rumors and theories and now that she is there she just wants to figure it out.  she has found her holy grail.
Agreed. :)
Title: Re: Charlotte stays?
Post by: Falam on February 15, 2008, 05:22:24 PM

I still want to know why Frank memorized the passenger list and why he wasn't on 815 as he says he should have been.



I want to know, too!  Why did he memorise that list if Abbaddon made Naomi say that there were no survivors of 815?
Title: Re: Charlotte stays?
Post by: PrincessLeia on February 15, 2008, 05:24:11 PM

I still want to know why Frank memorized the passenger list and why he wasn't on 815 as he says he should have been.



I want to know, too!  Why did he memorise that list if Abbaddon made Naomi say that there were no survivors of 815?
Frank knows there's something fishy going on, & he's made it his business to get to the bottom of it.
Title: Re: Charlotte stays?
Post by: CaseyMac on February 15, 2008, 06:00:24 PM

I still want to know why Frank memorized the passenger list and why he wasn't on 815 as he says he should have been.



I want to know, too!  Why did he memorise that list if Abbaddon made Naomi say that there were no survivors of 815?
Frank knows there's something fishy going on, & he's made it his business to get to the bottom of it.

OK doh on me for getting anthropologist and archaeologist mixed up. They're totally different animals. However, I'm still excited to see the kind of work she's going to be doing. Just as I was on the edge of my seat as Dan started setting up his equipment.

As for Frank, since he was supposed to be on the flight in the first place, he probably had the passenger list memorized before Dharma tapped him for the mission. I could see him learning all about 815 out of guilt for not being there. That may be why Miles and Dan didn't know about Juliet until Frank told them.
Title: Re: Charlotte stays?
Post by: PrincessLeia on February 15, 2008, 06:20:37 PM

I still want to know why Frank memorized the passenger list and why he wasn't on 815 as he says he should have been.



I want to know, too!  Why did he memorise that list if Abbaddon made Naomi say that there were no survivors of 815?
Frank knows there's something fishy going on, & he's made it his business to get to the bottom of it.

OK doh on me for getting anthropologist and archaeologist mixed up. They're totally different animals. However, I'm still excited to see the kind of work she's going to be doing. Just as I was on the edge of my seat as Dan started setting up his equipment.

As for Frank, since he was supposed to be on the flight in the first place, he probably had the passenger list memorized before Dharma tapped him for the mission. I could see him learning all about 815 out of guilt for not being there. That may be why Miles and Dan didn't know about Juliet until Frank told them.
Right!  lol  As I was typing, I thought.....I can't be the only one thinking this! :-\  :D
Title: Re: Charlotte stays?
Post by: Lost-N-Detroit on February 15, 2008, 06:40:36 PM
Why would Charlotte not leave? Yes she was shot by Ben and taken hostage by Locke but she also was able to see miricles of the island.
Remeber that she sat in Locke's group and asked many questions reagarding out LOSTIES and everytime she heard some intresting fact she would reply "that's amazing!" So with knowledge of half of our LOSTIES why wouldn't she want to stay and discover some things on her own.
It is part of her job to discover old civilizations. My guess is that she along with Dan, Miles, and Frank will stay on the island and not return.
Title: Re: Charlotte stays?
Post by: CaseyMac on February 15, 2008, 07:25:40 PM
Why would Charlotte not leave? Yes she was shot by Ben and taken hostage by Locke but she also was able to see miricles of the island.
Remeber that she sat in Locke's group and asked many questions reagarding out LOSTIES and everytime she heard some intresting fact she would reply "that's amazing!" So with knowledge of half of our LOSTIES why wouldn't she want to stay and discover some things on her own.
It is part of her job to discover old civilizations. My guess is that she along with Dan, Miles, and Frank will stay on the island and not return.

Good point. She does seem like a pretty driven person, so I'm wondering if they tricked Dharma to do their own research, or if what they are doing is part of their Dharma mission?

Also, they gotta return sometime. Whats the point of making a great scientific discovery if you don't get any recognition for it? :)
Title: Re: Charlotte stays?
Post by: Lost-N-Detroit on February 15, 2008, 07:36:10 PM
Why would Charlotte not leave? Yes she was shot by Ben and taken hostage by Locke but she also was able to see miricles of the island.
Remeber that she sat in Locke's group and asked many questions reagarding out LOSTIES and everytime she heard some intresting fact she would reply "that's amazing!" So with knowledge of half of our LOSTIES why wouldn't she want to stay and discover some things on her own.
It is part of her job to discover old civilizations. My guess is that she along with Dan, Miles, and Frank will stay on the island and not return.

Good point. She does seem like a pretty driven person, so I'm wondering if they tricked Dharma to do their own research, or if what they are doing is part of their Dharma mission?

Also, they gotta return sometime. Whats the point of making a great scientific discovery if you don't get any recognition for it? :)


Great thought, I never thought that they were being manipulated like Ben does to our LOSTIES.
My thought thou on charlotte is yeah o.k. she makes a HUGE discovery on the island and wants to go home and tell everyone about what she found.

" NOT GONNA HAPPEN "

Charlotte would be killed instantly by whom ever sent her there. I'd see her staying on the island.
which brings me to my other thought that if anyone left they would be killed for having knowledge.
Title: Re: Charlotte stays?
Post by: CaseyMac on February 15, 2008, 07:50:28 PM

Great thought, I never thought that they were being manipulated like Ben does to our LOSTIES.
My thought thou on charlotte is yeah o.k. she makes a HUGE discovery on the island and wants to go home and tell everyone about what she found.

" NOT GONNA HAPPEN "

Charlotte would be killed instantly by whom ever sent her there. I'd see her staying on the island.
which brings me to my other thought that if anyone left they would be killed for having knowledge.

I like that theory. Thats classic bad guy behavior.

"Thanks for figuring that out for us, Red." BANG no more Charlotte.
Title: Re: Charlotte stays?
Post by: Lion of Atreides on February 15, 2008, 08:09:54 PM

None of the Fantastic Fours true motivations have been revealed, and I fear if they don't speed it up a bit, we won't know until the final show of 2008 which will be a mistake.

Nor do we know the motivation of Abaddon & his bosses for selecting the Fantastic Four.  Rather than choosing in-house specialists, they choose this disparate group of outsiders, who could become loose canons.  Yes, Naomi was supposed to keep them under lock & key.  But what were the three specialists instructed to do, and what additional things beyond their purview are they itching to do?  That'll be important.
Title: Re: Charlotte stays?
Post by: Lost-N-Detroit on February 15, 2008, 08:43:56 PM
What if....

Frank, Dan, Miles and charlotte are there to replace some of our 815 survivors?
The island needs them just as bad as our 815ers.
Title: Re: Charlotte stays?
Post by: Lion of Atreides on February 15, 2008, 08:50:55 PM
The island/Jacob doesn't like technology, as proven when Locke & Ben visited the cabin.  Ergo, it wouldn't want to bring a guy who flies a whirly-bird, a woman who uses atom decay to measure age, a bumbler who plays with big wireless routers and rockets, and a wise-ass who uses a dustbuster in a deceptive manner.  So, I can't see any motive by the island/Jacob  to bring them.
Title: Re: Charlotte stays?
Post by: DIZZYBECKSTER on February 18, 2008, 10:53:47 AM
What if....

Frank, Dan, Miles and charlotte are there to replace some of our 815 survivors?
The island needs them just as bad as our 815ers.
yeah i thought that...

The island/Jacob doesn't like technology, as proven when Locke & Ben visited the cabin.  Ergo, it wouldn't want to bring a guy who flies a whirly-bird, a woman who uses atom decay to measure age, a bumbler who plays with big wireless routers and rockets, and a wise-ass who uses a dustbuster in a deceptive manner.  So, I can't see any motive by the island/Jacob  to bring them.

then i thought that too...


excellent posting, people!!
Title: Re: Charlotte stays?
Post by: WhatThe on February 18, 2008, 01:27:10 PM
Charlotte was barely "kidnapped"...she basically agreed to go with Locke's group, and the moment she felt otherwise she started to leave, telling Locke she wasn't asking permission. That told me that she never felt like a captive. Once they got to the compound she may have felt like one, but we never witnessed her demeanor once they arrived there.

When Ben shot her, she stayed alive because she was wearing a bulletproof vest. That tells me that she was fully aware of the possibilities of harm and the dangers that she may experience. If so, she wouldn't go back to the freighter so quickly, especially once she was back with her crew.
Title: Re: Charlotte stays?
Post by: jugdish on February 18, 2008, 01:39:50 PM
I would like to see more of her character, of the Fantastic Four she is the one we don't know much about. She needs to do something on the island. Solve a mystery for us at least.
Title: Re: Charlotte stays?
Post by: LostAndSeek on February 18, 2008, 05:23:43 PM
I agree with Juggie!

I'm wondering if she doesn't have a milder version of Dan's social ineptness.
Title: Re: Charlotte stays?
Post by: Lost-N-Detroit on February 18, 2008, 06:12:57 PM
Please don't let Charlotte go to the Adam and Eve skelations and dig up collars on them.
Title: Re: Charlotte stays?
Post by: DIZZYBECKSTER on February 19, 2008, 09:53:41 AM
I would like to see more of her character, of the Fantastic Four she is the one we don't know much about. She needs to do something on the island. Solve a mystery for us at least.
She needs to have a "ZOWIE!!!" moment like Brenda, Dee Dee and Taffy - the Teen angels.....

......does that age me?
Title: Re: Charlotte stays?
Post by: PrincessLeia on February 19, 2008, 06:28:21 PM
Please don't let Charlotte go to the Adam and Eve skelations and dig up collars on them.
I'd LOVE for Miles to make contact with them.

I would like to see more of her character, of the Fantastic Four she is the one we don't know much about. She needs to do something on the island. Solve a mystery for us at least.
She needs to have a "ZOWIE!!!" moment like Brenda, Dee Dee and Taffy - the Teen angels.....

......does that age me?
Who? ??? ;)
Title: Re: Charlotte stays?
Post by: Lion of Atreides on February 19, 2008, 08:05:46 PM
I would like to see more of her character, of the Fantastic Four she is the one we don't know much about. She needs to do something on the island. Solve a mystery for us at least.

My theory is that she was brought by TPTB to reveal the archaeological secrets connected to the civilization that preceded the Others/Hostiles.  Perhaps show how they, like the present day Maya, are decendents of a great civilization that had collapsed.
Title: Re: Charlotte stays?
Post by: DIZZYBECKSTER on February 20, 2008, 04:57:14 AM
Please don't let Charlotte go to the Adam and Eve skelations and dig up collars on them.
I'd LOVE for Miles to make contact with them.

I would like to see more of her character, of the Fantastic Four she is the one we don't know much about. She needs to do something on the island. Solve a mystery for us at least.
She needs to have a "ZOWIE!!!" moment like Brenda, Dee Dee and Taffy - the Teen angels.....

......does that age me?
Who? ??? ;)
Captain Cave Maaaaaaan!
Title: Re: Charlotte stays?
Post by: cbw420 on February 20, 2008, 04:47:31 PM
But what were the three specialists instructed to do,  

well we know Miles was "instructed" to bring back ben, according to the "fading" convo he had with Jack (still pissed i couldnt make any of it out)
Title: Re: Charlotte stays?
Post by: Lion of Atreides on February 21, 2008, 02:38:54 AM
Do you recall LOST ever doing a barely-audible background conversation like that before?
Title: Re: Charlotte stays?
Post by: KateReallyLovesJack on February 21, 2008, 02:48:45 AM
You guys, I've got this show on my computer and I'm able to make out every word of that convo - give me a few minutes and I'll get you the transcript... they don't say anything very important though.
Title: Re: Charlotte stays?
Post by: KateReallyLovesJack on February 21, 2008, 02:54:44 AM
The quiet conversation.

Jack - Did Ben ever mention anything about knowing anyone off the island? You're sure of that?
Miles - Look, this is real simple. Do you know where he is or don't you?
Jack - What do you want with him?
Miles - I wanna locate him. The people who hired me told me his name is Benjamin Linus, they gave me his picture and that's all they told me. They said find him. And for what they're paying me, I don't need to know anything else. Do you?
Jack - You want Ben? Ok, he's with Locke. You're friend.
Miles - Charlotte.
Jack - Charlotte. Locke's got her too.
Miles - Locke's the guy that killed Naomi. Give me back my gun Sheppard.
Jack - You want your gun back, I want answers(?)
Miles - You don't trust me and I don't trust you. In fact, you're suppose to be dead. Am I asking a billion questions? No. We both have the same problem...
Title: Re: Charlotte stays?
Post by: PrincessLeia on February 21, 2008, 03:08:44 AM
Awesome!  Thanks, KRLJ!!! :)
Title: Re: Charlotte stays?
Post by: Lion of Atreides on February 21, 2008, 03:18:56 AM
Yeah, kudos!

So, I assume that 'find Ben' means wrangle him onto their boat for a little trip back to the real world.  But surely by selecting the team that he did, Abaddon is hoping for more than just hogtying Ben up in the ship's hold.  Which Miles is clearly not bringing up in this conversation.
Title: Re: Charlotte stays?
Post by: TheGoodPeople on February 21, 2008, 06:02:42 AM
Wow! how did you hear that!
Title: Re: Charlotte stays?
Post by: Lost Ed on February 21, 2008, 09:04:57 AM
It was on the closed caption.

And Abbadon may not have told everyone the sepcifics of another's mission.  Miles may only be single minded on Ben with no idea what the other three are up to.
Title: Re: Charlotte stays?
Post by: KateReallyLovesJack on February 21, 2008, 07:21:33 PM
Actually, no, I didn't get it from closed caption - like I said, I have the episode on my computer, I put in my earphone and cranked the volume. Was able to hear word for word. Lucky thing that there isn't much noise on top of it or it would have blasted out my eardrums!
Title: Re: Charlotte stays?
Post by: TheGoodPeople on February 21, 2008, 07:29:06 PM
Actually, no, I didn't get it from closed caption - like I said, I have the episode on my computer, I put in my earphone and cranked the volume. Was able to hear word for word. Lucky thing that there isn't much noise on top of it or it would have blasted out my eardrums!


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