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Episode Discussion (Spoiler Free) => Season 4 => Episode 4x03 => Topic started by: DirtyMaggieMae on February 14, 2008, 11:18:44 PM

Title: Penny
Post by: DirtyMaggieMae on February 14, 2008, 11:18:44 PM
What's with all the weird reactions when Des asked about Penny?  Were they all supposed to be along in the lie that Penny sent them to find des and they didn't want to admit it?  Or did Penny really send them...but lied to Charlie?  Or do they recognize the name Widmore because her dad is their boss?
Title: Re: Penny
Post by: Point Place WI on February 14, 2008, 11:24:00 PM
I took it as the lather.  Once Widmore was mentioned a light bulb turned on for the Pilot and Danny. 
Title: Re: Penny
Post by: FoxyMama on February 14, 2008, 11:24:18 PM
I think that they recognized the name Widmore.  When Desmond said "Penelope Widmore" - Dan and the Pilot exchanged a look and then said they didn't know of her.  But I'm betting they do know a Widmore.
Title: Re: Penny
Post by: JBRam on February 14, 2008, 11:24:32 PM
Either way, they are all acting rather suspiciously...
Title: Re: Penny
Post by: DirtyMaggieMae on February 14, 2008, 11:25:27 PM
well if it was because of Charles, then that sort of confirms the suspicions about where the photo came from.
Title: Re: Penny
Post by: DirtyMaggieMae on February 14, 2008, 11:42:35 PM
about the bracelets.  "R.C."  a name?  R____ Company?  R____ Corporation?  Richard C____?
Title: Re: Penny
Post by: JBRam on February 14, 2008, 11:43:56 PM
about the bracelets.  "R.C."  a name?  R____ Company?  R____ Corporation?  Richard C____?
Randy? ;)
Title: Re: Penny
Post by: DirtyMaggieMae on February 14, 2008, 11:44:59 PM
Randy Chickenshack
Title: Re: Penny
Post by: this is some crazy stuff on February 14, 2008, 11:45:29 PM
Im pretty sure the bracelet said  R.G.
Title: Re: Penny
Post by: LouE68 on February 14, 2008, 11:50:33 PM
yeah I saw RG too
Title: Re: Penny
Post by: FoxyMama on February 14, 2008, 11:51:49 PM
Pretty sure it was R.C. - we'll know for sure when the screencap goes up.
Title: Re: Penny
Post by: LouE68 on February 14, 2008, 11:55:03 PM
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o116/LouE247/naomis-bracelet.gif)
Title: Re: Penny
Post by: this is some crazy stuff on February 14, 2008, 11:56:30 PM
yea RG   its on the home page link where it talks about this episode,  its in the video posted wit it
Title: Re: Penny
Post by: DirtyMaggieMae on February 14, 2008, 11:56:44 PM
THanks for the screencap!  That'll put me on the right track now!  I knew Richard Gere was up to no good...
Title: Re: Penny
Post by: LouE68 on February 14, 2008, 11:57:42 PM
Richard G'Alpert....silent "G" ROFL......
Title: Re: Penny
Post by: SQUIRT199 on February 14, 2008, 11:59:39 PM
Still looks like R.C.
Title: Re: Penny
Post by: DirtyMaggieMae on February 14, 2008, 11:59:50 PM
But I don't know....two bracelets.  Probably with similar inscriptions.  Elsa's proably said "E I'll always be with you R.G." too.  Doesn't seem to be so much of a personal effect as a marker of some sort.  Too easily removable to be a tracking device I'd think... but...
Title: Re: Penny
Post by: DirtyMaggieMae on February 15, 2008, 12:07:13 AM
So if naomi is on the freighter and has one, and elsa is working for someone ben wants killed, does that mean that ben wants to destroy the people who were part of the freighter mission?
Title: Re: Penny
Post by: matahari on February 15, 2008, 12:12:29 AM
So if naomi is on the freighter and has one, and elsa is working for someone ben wants killed, does that mean that ben wants to destroy the people who were part of the freighter mission?
Most likely people or persons who know of his past present and future actions and whereabouts.
Title: Re: Penny
Post by: DirtyMaggieMae on February 15, 2008, 12:14:52 AM
So if naomi is on the freighter and has one, and elsa is working for someone ben wants killed, does that mean that ben wants to destroy the people who were part of the freighter mission?
Most likely people or persons who know of his past present and future actions and whereabouts.
Ben's actions?  That works for Ben, but why does Sayid care if Ben gets hurt?  I'm just saying they must have common goals.
Title: Re: Penny
Post by: matahari on February 15, 2008, 12:27:25 AM
So if naomi is on the freighter and has one, and elsa is working for someone ben wants killed, does that mean that ben wants to destroy the people who were part of the freighter mission?
Most likely people or persons who know of his past present and future actions and whereabouts.
Ben's actions?  That works for Ben, but why does Sayid care if Ben gets hurt?  I'm just saying they must have common goals.
I understand common goals but sometimes you keep your enemies close and your friends closer. They may have common goals but different motives. They are means to an end for another
Title: Re: Penny
Post by: PrincessLeia on February 15, 2008, 03:44:40 AM
What's with all the weird reactions when Des asked about Penny?  Were they all supposed to be along in the lie that Penny sent them to find des and they didn't want to admit it?  Or did Penny really send them...but lied to Charlie?  Or do they recognize the name Widmore because her dad is their boss?
Yes to this.

Randy Chickenshack
POST OF THE DAY. :D


btw- is there a thread on the bracelet yet?  I'm thinking that the "R" is for "Regina."
Title: Re: Penny
Post by: Sunflower on February 15, 2008, 04:56:19 AM
Someone just tell me who R G is!! 
Title: Re: Penny
Post by: Blackrock Bob on February 15, 2008, 07:12:04 AM
They are either working for Widmore or against him. It would be a stretch to say that the wanted Desmond to upset Widmore.

I am really worried about Desmond. I hope we see him in a flashforward soon, or I'm afraid he'll be killed on that frieghter.
That or made to stay on the island without hope of seeing Penny again.
Title: Re: Penny
Post by: thebeann on February 15, 2008, 08:54:13 AM
Back to Penny...is it possible that if there are time distortions related to the island, that Charlie picked up a transmission of Penny that came from a point BEFORE the boat mission people were hired?

In other words, when Charlie hooked up with Penny, she had not yet been involved in the mission yet but became involved due to that conversation. What if Widmore is behind all this (we know Penny has some inside info for sure because of the season II finale)...what if Penny puts 2 + 2 together based pm talking to Charlie (timeline: pre-boat launch) and manages to to somehow get herself involved (maybe she knows Naomi somehow). The main mission might be to get Ben...but perhaps Naomi had a secondary secret mission to find Des for Penny.

I mean, she DID have Desmond's picture and she knew who he was. I just get the impression that Naomi really isn't a bad person.
Title: Re: Penny
Post by: DefyxGrandeur on February 15, 2008, 11:14:49 AM
R.G = Regina George.  :D
Title: Re: Penny
Post by: Ladybug on February 15, 2008, 11:21:09 AM
Regina Goodspeed
Title: Re: Penny
Post by: The_Soilworker on February 15, 2008, 11:34:42 AM
I think that they recognized the name Widmore.  When Desmond said "Penelope Widmore" - Dan and the Pilot exchanged a look and then said they didn't know of her.  But I'm betting they do know a Widmore.

About the Widmores, .. did anyone read Gary Troups : Bad Twin ? ..
Title: Re: Penny
Post by: kenny on February 15, 2008, 11:47:38 AM
Soilworker's picture scares me.
Title: Re: Penny
Post by: The_Soilworker on February 15, 2008, 11:49:06 AM
Soilworker's picture scares me.

Off-topic : it`s a bit stretched.  :P ....didn`t mean to scare ya !..
Title: Re: Penny
Post by: dragonflyk on February 15, 2008, 12:50:07 PM
Back to Penny...is it possible that if there are time distortions related to the island, that Charlie picked up a transmission of Penny that came from a point BEFORE the boat mission people were hired?

In other words, when Charlie hooked up with Penny, she had not yet been involved in the mission yet but became involved due to that conversation. What if Widmore is behind all this (we know Penny has some inside info for sure because of the season II finale)...what if Penny puts 2 + 2 together based pm talking to Charlie (timeline: pre-boat launch) and manages to to somehow get herself involved (maybe she knows Naomi somehow). The main mission might be to get Ben...but perhaps Naomi had a secondary secret mission to find Des for Penny.

I mean, she DID have Desmond's picture and she knew who he was. I just get the impression that Naomi really isn't a bad person.

I REALLY like this...but at the same time, I believe someone made mention of how could Daniel and Regina speak in "real time" even with the time delay?
Title: Re: Penny
Post by: Lost-N-Detroit on February 15, 2008, 12:52:33 PM
When Des asks do you know Penny Widmore? It took frank and Dan a second to think if they should tell Des. But des only asked, " Do you know Penny Widmore?" Seeing how its not exactly the Widmore that they are looking for it was easy for Frank to lie and say no. If Des would have asked the smart question I think frank would have fessed up to who sent them to the island.
Title: Re: Penny
Post by: PrincessLeia on February 15, 2008, 01:02:38 PM
I think that they recognized the name Widmore.  When Desmond said "Penelope Widmore" - Dan and the Pilot exchanged a look and then said they didn't know of her.  But I'm betting they do know a Widmore.

About the Widmores, .. did anyone read Gary Troups : Bad Twin ? ..
I did, but it wasn't about the "real" Widmore family (Charles/ Penny).  It was fictionalized fiction. :D
Title: Re: Penny
Post by: LostAndSeek on February 15, 2008, 05:39:32 PM
Regina Goodspeed

Oooh... LB, is that Regina's full name? Or is it just a guess? Intriguing either way.
Title: Re: Penny
Post by: Ladybug on February 15, 2008, 05:45:26 PM
Regina Goodspeed

Oooh... LB, is that Regina's full name? Or is it just a guess? Intriguing either way.
complete guess (remember, i'm going spoiler free!).  i just checked character names for R. G. and couldn't find any, but i ran accross Goodspeed.  figured, put the two together.  could it really be the daughter of Horace and Olivia?  I have no idea, just a random guess.  (but if it's true, I'll take credit for it!)
Title: Re: Penny
Post by: LostAndSeek on February 15, 2008, 06:38:06 PM
If true then the credit will be well deserved!!
Title: Re: Penny
Post by: Lost-N-Detroit on February 15, 2008, 07:06:53 PM
I took it as them reconizing the last name Widmore and not it being Penny.
Des specificly asks, "Do you know Penny Widmore?"
Frank and dan look at each other with a puzzled look as if to answer.
Des restates, " Do you know Penny Widmore and don't lie."
Well des only asked "if" they knew Penny, not do you know "the" Widmore" her father. So frank just looks at Des and says "No"
If Des asked specificly about Widmore I am sure Frank and dan would have spoke up.
Title: Re: Penny
Post by: jumbotron on February 15, 2008, 09:40:20 PM
I think that they recognized the name Widmore.  When Desmond said "Penelope Widmore" - Dan and the Pilot exchanged a look and then said they didn't know of her.  But I'm betting they do know a Widmore.

About the Widmores, .. did anyone read Gary Troups : Bad Twin ? ..
I did, but it wasn't about the "real" Widmore family (Charles/ Penny).  It was fictionalized fiction. :D

I read it too... Widmores in Bad Twin were American.  There were some vague references to Lost (Cindy the flight attendant and Gary Troupe for example), but I don't think any of it can be considered canon.
Title: Re: Penny
Post by: PrincessLeia on February 16, 2008, 03:46:52 PM
I think that they recognized the name Widmore.  When Desmond said "Penelope Widmore" - Dan and the Pilot exchanged a look and then said they didn't know of her.  But I'm betting they do know a Widmore.

About the Widmores, .. did anyone read Gary Troups : Bad Twin ? ..
I did, but it wasn't about the "real" Widmore family (Charles/ Penny).  It was fictionalized fiction. :D

I read it too... Widmores in Bad Twin were American.  There were some vague references to Lost (Cindy the flight attendant and Gary Troupe for example), but I don't think any of it can be considered canon.
I couldn't think of the word last night....metafictional. 

It's the only abc authorized Lost novel, & it was a part of TLE.  I think it is pretty solid.
Title: Re: Penny
Post by: Gutterball94 on February 16, 2008, 04:06:59 PM
I don't know if its even worth mentioning but the two people in the beginning of "Confirmed Dead", the ones who were controlling the two ROVs, the producers thought it was worth giving one of them a name- Ron. The other guy is listed in the transcript as "Man1" so it seems odd that they would give one a name and not the other. Probably nothing, just me rambling again...  ::)

Now all we need is Ron's last name  ;)
Title: Re: Penny
Post by: PrincessLeia on February 16, 2008, 04:17:04 PM
I don't know if its even worth mentioning but the two people in the beginning of "Confirmed Dead", the ones who were controlling the two ROVs, the producers thought it was worth giving one of them a name- Ron. The other guy is listed in the transcript as "Man1" so it seems odd that they would give one a name and not the other. Probably nothing, just me rambling again...  ::)

Now all we need is Ron's last name  ;)
We need to list as many "R" names as we can!
Title: Re: Penny
Post by: DirtyMaggieMae on February 21, 2008, 02:07:25 PM
not sure where to put this, but since we were on bracelets...
the producers said that elsa's bracelet was there to remind sayid of naomi....they say that they aren't connected.  hm.