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Episode Discussion (Spoiler Free) => Season 4 => Episode 4x02 => Topic started by: MichiganFan on February 08, 2008, 02:33:08 PM

Title: How does Desmond fit into all of this?
Post by: MichiganFan on February 08, 2008, 02:33:08 PM
We know that the four new people were led by Naomi, and their primary objective seems to be Ben. Last season, Naomi landed with the Desmond/Penny photo and she claimed that it was Penny's boat. Then it turned out, according to Charlie, to not be Pennys boat.

It will be interesting to see how they link things back to Desmond... unless Ben's man on the boat is Kelvin. He seems to have "died" in the same place where Miles landed. Kelvin would have had time to scan the photo and get it to Ben. This would explain how Naomi got an copy of the photo.

Title: Re: How does Desmond fit into all of this?
Post by: Lion of Atreides on February 08, 2008, 02:58:47 PM
Kelvin as the man on the boat would be more elegant than having Michael there, as suggested elsewhere.  It could also be someone, not yet seen, working for Ben at 'Mittelos Bioscience'. 
Title: Re: How does Desmond fit into all of this?
Post by: cbw420 on February 08, 2008, 03:03:50 PM
this could make sense (kelvin being on the boat)

what ever happened to desmonds sail boat?
Title: Re: How does Desmond fit into all of this?
Post by: *MaZ* on February 08, 2008, 03:20:14 PM
And BTW, which team did Des stick with, Jack or Locke? I didin't see him in either.
Title: Re: How does Desmond fit into all of this?
Post by: jugdish on February 08, 2008, 03:24:07 PM
The others have the sail boat, took it when fron sun, jin and sayid.
Des is with Jack
Title: Re: How does Desmond fit into all of this?
Post by: Rebel 3:16 on February 08, 2008, 03:26:41 PM
My understanding is that Naomi set off with a picture of Ben, like the one Miles had, however when Desmond saved Charlie's life in the jungle just before they found Naomi, the shift of Desmond changing the future made the photo turn out to be Penny.
I think thats what was portrayed at the time however I suppose anything could happen. I happen to think Penny has no idea who these people are, her dad Charles on the otherhand.......
Title: Re: How does Desmond fit into all of this?
Post by: jugdish on February 08, 2008, 03:33:47 PM
That is  a lot to get from that scene. How about Widmore is behind the expedition. He is paying for it. They know that they might find815 passengers and have knowledge of where Des might be. Naomi's said they might find 815 survivors. So Naomi's cover was finding Desmond, the other 4 is rescuing the Losties. I do not believe the pictured changed.
Title: Re: How does Desmond fit into all of this?
Post by: Blackrock Bob on February 08, 2008, 03:36:25 PM
Kelvin as the man on the boat would be more elegant than having Michael there, as suggested elsewhere.  It could also be someone, not yet seen, working for Ben at 'Mittelos Bioscience'. 

As much as my heart would love for this to be true....I'm afraid that we won't be seeing Clancy Brown anytime soon, even in flashbacks.

So, yeah. Other people think Kelvin is alive? I think I'm feeling much better now.
Title: Re: How does Desmond fit into all of this?
Post by: solost on February 08, 2008, 04:05:12 PM
Kelvin as the man on the boat would be more elegant than having Michael there, as suggested elsewhere.  It could also be someone, not yet seen, working for Ben at 'Mittelos Bioscience'. 
Hello everyone, I missed you all from last season. At the end of last season when Jack talks to the man on the phone for the first time,the voice on the phone sounded just like Kelvin. It could be him.
Title: Re: How does Desmond fit into all of this?
Post by: joeboo on February 08, 2008, 05:17:40 PM
You're right solost, it did sound A LOT like him.  hmmm.  But Kelvin was with dharma I thought.
Maybe Kelvin was actually like Mikhail and claimed to be Dharma but was really working with the others. It makes some sense.

How did he get on the freighter though?
Title: Re: How does Desmond fit into all of this?
Post by: Lion of Atreides on February 08, 2008, 07:58:31 PM
I think the voice of boat guy on the phone was too perky to be Kelvin.  After imdb-ing Clancy Brown:

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000317/

I was surprised to see he does the voice of Mr. Krabs.  And that he does a LOT of voicework.  It could be that Clancy prefers that over acting gigs.  Which would lessen the chance that it'll be Kelvin on the boat...  leaving Patchy as our likeliest candidate? It's not like he wasn't already in the area, and still in possession of miraculous healing powers.  And after his Looking Glass killing spree, he could have swum up to Des's boat, called Ben on a walkie, and gotten new instructions to head out to Naomi's Boat.
Title: Re: How does Desmond fit into all of this?
Post by: Maxor127 on February 08, 2008, 08:12:47 PM
I think the makes Clancy Brown even more likely.  Patchy is dead, so he's the most unlikely of all.  And it doesn't make any sense for it to be Michael, but he's at least more likely than dead Patchy.

Even if Patchy wasn't dead (which he is), it's kind of hard to have someone with an eye patch suddenly appearing on a boat out of nowhere and acting inconspicuous and getting all of this information to foil the boaties and relay it back to Ben.  Patchy has only been dead for a day and he's been on the island the whole time.
Title: Re: How does Desmond fit into all of this?
Post by: sherifkarama on February 08, 2008, 08:23:50 PM
i don't know about all that...kelvin is dead right? the day the plane crashed..tho, if he's working for ben, wouldnt he have mentionned desmond's boat in the first place?

also, i somehow don't think mikhail is dead. he died a few times already and seems to defy death somehow.

Remember when locke pushes him across the fence, and he smiles with a thank you, right before expiring. he had blood from his ears etc, im sure he really died. but he seems to don't mind death so much. just like richard doesn't seem to mind almost 30years passing and not an extra wrinkle or gray hair?
Title: Re: How does Desmond fit into all of this?
Post by: hyperform on February 09, 2008, 12:00:45 AM
what if widmore is funding this and ben is really the primary target, but he somehow knows that desmond is on this island (still pushing the button for all he knows) and he give the one who appears to be some sort of special forces operative the picture as a sort of bonus because he knows that his daughter still loves him and is looking for him. basically telling her, get this ben guy, but if you happen to run into this loser my daughter is obsessed with, rub him out.
Title: Re: How does Desmond fit into all of this?
Post by: LostAndSeek on February 09, 2008, 12:24:04 AM
I think that's a real possibility, Hyper!
Title: Re: How does Desmond fit into all of this?
Post by: Rebel 3:16 on February 09, 2008, 06:13:35 AM
I dont agree with Widmore wanting Desmond dead, he must know his daughter, Penny, is very resourceful with the money she has, Im sure he knows that she is already very close to finding the Island/ Desmond.
I dont think he would jeapordise his relationship with his daughter by having thye man she loves killed when there is a good chance she would find out, OK so Widmore may WANT Desmond dead but I doubt he would kill him if these's a chance Penny would find out.
Title: Re: How does Desmond fit into all of this?
Post by: LostAndSeek on February 09, 2008, 08:52:40 AM
Hmmm... Rebel 3:16. Johnny Reb. John 3:16?

Anyway, yeah that's a point. Maybe Widmore suspects Des is on the island, but is looking for confirmation. If you see this guy, Naomi, let me know.
Title: Re: How does Desmond fit into all of this?
Post by: Rebel 3:16 on February 09, 2008, 09:03:18 AM
<---- Definatley nothing to do with Johnny Rebel, although John 3:16, along the right lines :)

Yeah, Id agree, Widmore will have a good idea Desmond's on the Island, maybe Naomi would have confirmed this for him had Locke not stabbed her in the back - maybe john Locke inadvertantly helped Desmond by ensuring that Widmore is still not 100% sure he is on the Island?
Title: Re: How does Desmond fit into all of this?
Post by: LostAndSeek on February 09, 2008, 09:14:02 AM
Maybe... It'll be interesting to see if the rest of the Dream Team recognize Des....
Title: Re: How does Desmond fit into all of this?
Post by: Desmond8MyPopRocks on February 14, 2008, 09:53:45 PM
Kelvin as the man on the boat would be more elegant than having Michael there, as suggested elsewhere.  It could also be someone, not yet seen, working for Ben at 'Mittelos Bioscience'. 

As much as my heart would love for this to be true....I'm afraid that we won't be seeing Clancy Brown anytime soon, even in flashbacks.

So, yeah. Other people think Kelvin is alive? I think I'm feeling much better now.

Do not ditch me on this one now, BOB....  Kelvin's still alive.

cheers
*Des8