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Title: Members of the Freighter "Dream Team"
Post by: Fallybear on February 08, 2008, 09:20:13 AM
In the flash back, Naomi was chosen as the military leader of this assembled team. The group isn't military (with the possible exception of Naomi herself). They said they were looking for Ben but brought individuals with expertise in other areas.

They are:
A geeky physicist
An abrasive Archaeologist
A crazy Ghost Buster
A drunken pilot

They apparently know they all will be needed to complete their mission.

But with this team, the mission is NOT just to capture Ben.
Title: Re: Members of the Freighter "Dream Team"
Post by: Maxor127 on February 08, 2008, 09:44:50 AM
I was thinking maybe they were picked because they're just as dysfunctional as the 815ers if you want to believe that the 815ers didn't crash there by chance and were "brought" there.
Title: Re: Members of the Freighter "Dream Team"
Post by: gjohnson on February 08, 2008, 09:49:29 AM
I believe she was identified as an anthropologist by Abbadon
Title: Re: Members of the Freighter "Dream Team"
Post by: lyrasdaemon on February 08, 2008, 09:56:36 AM
Their names are all significant as well:

Charlotte Staples Lewis (C.S. Lewis) - author of Narnia series and Christian apologist
Miles Strom - I took the lead from another poster on this; his name is, in itself, "maelstrom"
Daniel Farraday - Michael Farraday discovered electro-magnetic induction
Frank Lepidus - as fans of HBO's Rome would remember, Lepidus was the third member of the Triumvirate along with Marc Antony and Octavian
Title: Re: Members of the Freighter "Dream Team"
Post by: Alvarandthechipmunks on February 08, 2008, 09:59:28 AM
Their names are all significant as well:

Charlotte Staples Lewis (C.S. Lewis) - author of Narnia series and Christian apologist
Miles Strom - I took the lead from another poster on this; his name is, in itself, "maelstrom"
Daniel Farraday - Michael Farraday discovered electro-magnetic induction
Frank Lepidus - as fans of HBO's Rome would remember, Lepidus was the third member of the Triumvirate along with Marc Antony and Octavian
Awesome catch on the C.S. Lewis tie, Lyra!!
Title: Re: Members of the Freighter "Dream Team"
Post by: on the island on February 08, 2008, 10:27:20 AM
I thought it was strange that they told us their location in the flashbacks.  I don't remember them doing that before.  We always had to search for clues to figure out where they are.  It's probably not significant, but I remember Essex, MA for Fereday, Inglewood, CA for Miles, Tunisia for Charlotte and I am drawing a blank on the pilot.
Title: Re: Members of the Freighter "Dream Team"
Post by: Alvarandthechipmunks on February 08, 2008, 10:36:50 AM
I thought it was strange that they told us their location in the flashbacks.  I don't remember them doing that before.  We always had to search for clues to figure out where they are.  It's probably not significant, but I remember Essex, MA for Fereday, Inglewood, CA for Miles, Tunisia for Charlotte and I am drawing a blank on the pilot.
Darn, you're right....It thought it was somewhere in the Bahamas or something. I bought one of those HD "upconverting" DVD player/recorders, but then I discover there's no "video in" on my new LCD TV!! Crap!
Title: Re: Members of the Freighter "Dream Team"
Post by: Savior on February 08, 2008, 10:39:07 AM
no HDMI ports?
Title: Re: Members of the Freighter "Dream Team"
Post by: Alvarandthechipmunks on February 08, 2008, 10:42:22 AM
Yeah, I have an HDMI cable hooked up, but it will only allow a signal from the DVD player to the TV. All HDMI ports are labeled "HDMI in". Did you guys know these new DVD players don't have tuners in them like the old school ones do? Dang technology, always digging your pockets clean!
Title: Re: Members of the Freighter "Dream Team"
Post by: Creflo on February 08, 2008, 11:25:59 AM
I propose we henceforth refer to this group as...

The Drop-ees.


Communing with the dead is an important Island skill/superpower...arguably the best of the group.  He's already come in handy.

Piloting is also pretty damn important if a chopper is available.  Surely there's more fuel somewhere around.

An anthropologist who already knew what she was looking for when Ursus Maritimus was found in Tunisia will have a specific assignment.  Adam and Eve, Black Rock, 4 Toes. . .

Farraday must be highly prized for his abilities because he's damn near useless as a covert op.  I'd say reestablishing contact via harnessing the EM interference of The Island would have something to do with his mission.  Getting a ping working again so that The Sinister Corporation can begin expeditions and exploitations is of utmost concern.

Without Naomi, however, these Dill Weeds are more like a fustercluck.
Title: Re: Members of the Freighter "Dream Team"
Post by: lostfan777 on February 08, 2008, 11:59:43 AM
And to think, I was convinced Naomi was surprised to see the Losties, maybe even out of the loop, and all the while she is in charge of this bunch of misfits, at least on the island.  Didn't see that coming!

I think the fact that Charlotte seemed to know what she was looking at when she found the collar (and even seemed to know it was going to be there) says alot about who these guys are working for.  Definitely Dharma people or higher looking to repay Ben and friends and get the island back.
Title: Re: Members of the Freighter "Dream Team"
Post by: getting away to lost on February 08, 2008, 12:09:39 PM
Was the guy that Naomi meet with in her flashback the same guy who came to visit Hurley in last weeks episode?
Title: Re: Members of the Freighter "Dream Team"
Post by: Savior on February 08, 2008, 12:25:56 PM
Yes
Title: Re: Members of the Freighter "Dream Team"
Post by: tylerncc on February 08, 2008, 12:26:35 PM
So it appears that we have more character names to mull over with the four new people on the island.  First is Charlotte Staples Lewis (CS Lewis, author of the Chronicles of Narnia), and didnt we find out that she is from Oxford?  Thats where CS Lewis was a prof of mideval literature.  There is another thread about her name a little bit down from here.

Also, we met Daniel Faraday, who says he is a physicist.  Michael Faraday was a physicist in the early 1800's who, among other things, studied (what do you know!?!) magnetic fields induced by electrical current!!!  He was basically the father of magnetic field theory.  Not insignificant, if you ask me.

And then theres Miles 'Dont tell them my last name', who appears to be a ghost hunter.  Will we find out his name has equal importance?  I cant help but think so, we'll find out hopefully.

And the pilot, I dont have anything on him...except that he looks like he could be Magnum PI after 20 years laying low in Hawaii or something...
Title: Re: Members of the Freighter "Dream Team"
Post by: goober on February 08, 2008, 12:29:11 PM
Pilot

http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Frank_Lapidus
Title: Re: Members of the Freighter "Dream Team"
Post by: Ladybug on February 08, 2008, 01:27:35 PM
And to think, I was convinced Naomi was surprised to see the Losties, maybe even out of the loop, and all the while she is in charge of this bunch of misfits, at least on the island.  Didn't see that coming!

I think the fact that Charlotte seemed to know what she was looking at when she found the collar (and even seemed to know it was going to be there) says alot about who these guys are working for.  Definitely Dharma people or higher looking to repay Ben and friends and get the island back.
i don't think they are neccissarily "dharma people" but charolotte does know ABOUT dharma.  maybe that's her quest as an anthropologist.  maybe dharma is sort of like a theory that no one has ever been able to prove the existence of and that's what she has set outto do.
Title: Re: Members of the Freighter "Dream Team"
Post by: *MaZ* on February 08, 2008, 01:32:33 PM
I would call them the 3 stooges instead of dream team. Unless everybody else on that boat turns out to be Rambo, these people are not looking to kill anybody! They were on the island only for a couple of hours and already managed to get disarmed and captured by team Jack and team Locke - without any planning in advance, I may add.
So I guess our friend Ben, yet again, lied about the freighter's intentions...if they are after someone, that's Ben and Ben only.
But IMO it seems they are there for the island, and its powers. They are looking for Ben because they think he's the key to the powers/mysteries? They are armed because they know he's a psycho?
Title: Re: Members of the Freighter "Dream Team"
Post by: lostfan777 on February 08, 2008, 01:36:24 PM
Miles last name is Straume.  A maelstrom is a violent tidal current or whirlpool.  My guess is the island's properties would cause this condition in the waters around the island making it hard for ships to pass close by without crashing and impossible for an unpowered ship to leave.
Title: Re: Members of the Freighter "Dream Team"
Post by: Lion of Atreides on February 08, 2008, 01:39:23 PM
Speaking of the pilot, Frank Lapidus...  Was his cow real, escaped from The Barracks? Or a Smokey/Jacob manifestation, like Kate's horse?  Perhaps Frank grew up on a dairy farm in Wisconsin.  Or in California (hence the hippy-dippyness) where they supposedly have 'happy' cows.
Title: Re: Members of the Freighter "Dream Team"
Post by: Lion of Atreides on February 08, 2008, 01:53:58 PM
Two connections:

1) Naomi + her team could be a homage to the setup in Aliens v. Predator.  Naomi looks very much like Saana Lathan's character, execpt that in this parallel universe, Naomi isn't the sole survivor, but gets killed off rather quickly.

2) There may be a second homage to my guru Frank Herbert's Dosadi Experiment, which talks about how an intensely competitive environment can serve to improve upon the innate abilities of the people put in that environment.  Notice how quickly the Flight 815 people overthrew and have nearly decimated The Others.  Just like The Others overthrew the Dharma people, who had become soft with all their crunchy Buddhism and cushy navel-gazing experiments.  Perhaps later we'll find out how the Dharma people were able to get a foothold on the island.  My guess is that The Others had grown weak, and so bided their time in the jungle until their faith (in Jacob) was restored and they could strike back against Dharma.  That could explain Ben's desire to return to this temple he spoke of last season.
Title: Re: Members of the Freighter "Dream Team"
Post by: winterfog on February 08, 2008, 02:35:49 PM
In "Daniel's" flashback, his wife or whoever that is with him repeatedly calls him Sam.  Doesn't look like Daniel is his real name.

Also, Daniel lives in Essex, Massachusetts.  Ben says that Charlotte was born in Essex, England.  Connection?  I doubt it, but it's not like the writers have run out of towns they can use.

Oh, and yes, the pilot (Frank) was in the Bahamas when he saw the wreckage on TV.
Title: Re: Members of the Freighter "Dream Team"
Post by: gjohnson on February 08, 2008, 02:42:30 PM
And to think, I was convinced Naomi was surprised to see the Losties, maybe even out of the loop, and all the while she is in charge of this bunch of misfits, at least on the island.  Didn't see that coming!

I think the fact that Charlotte seemed to know what she was looking at when she found the collar (and even seemed to know it was going to be there) says alot about who these guys are working for.  Definitely Dharma people or higher looking to repay Ben and friends and get the island back.
i don't think they are neccissarily "dharma people" but charolotte does know ABOUT dharma.  maybe that's her quest as an anthropologist.  maybe dharma is sort of like a theory that no one has ever been able to prove the existence of and that's what she has set outto do.

Perhaps she is former Dharma, (some people got out?) and was on the island to study the "original inhabitants" or the remains of a previous society (4-toed statue, temple). Or she is not former Dharma and is here to do those things now.
Title: Re: Members of the Freighter "Dream Team"
Post by: Rebel 3:16 on February 08, 2008, 03:14:18 PM
And so it looks like when Abaddon asked Hurley 'are they alive?' he was probably refering to the chopper crew seeing as it looks like he had, at least some part, in recruiting them.
Also Miles surname, however its spelled, combines to suggest 'maelstrom'? Im trying to remember where a logo or something appeared in Lost, maybe last season 'maelstrom', hmmmm, anyone?
Title: Re: Members of the Freighter "Dream Team"
Post by: *MaZ* on February 08, 2008, 03:26:56 PM
In "Daniel's" flashback, his wife or whoever that is with him repeatedly calls him Sam.  Doesn't look like Daniel is his real name.
I just re-watched the epi. She called him Dan. I had the captions on to make sure.
Title: Re: Members of the Freighter "Dream Team"
Post by: cbw420 on February 08, 2008, 03:44:39 PM
In "Daniel's" flashback, his wife or whoever that is with him repeatedly calls him Sam.  Doesn't look like Daniel is his real name.
I just re-watched the epi. She called him Dan. I had the captions on to make sure.

i posted this somewhere, but cant find it LOL
Title: Re: Members of the Freighter "Dream Team"
Post by: *MaZ* on February 08, 2008, 03:50:21 PM
In "Daniel's" flashback, his wife or whoever that is with him repeatedly calls him Sam.  Doesn't look like Daniel is his real name.
I just re-watched the epi. She called him Dan. I had the captions on to make sure.

i posted this somewhere, but cant find it LOL
I hear you...I have posted so much in the last 24hs. that I can't keep track of my own opinions anymore...we were all soo needy for soo long!
Title: Re: Members of the Freighter "Dream Team"
Post by: Creflo on February 08, 2008, 03:56:58 PM
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The Others overthrew the Dharma people, who had become soft with all their crunchy Buddhism and cushy navel-gazing experiments.

It's true that DHARMA appeared this way.  However, I feel that whether most of their members realized it or not, they were funded and directed by The Sinister Corporation.  Abbadon put together the Dropees' mission because he wanted to get Ben (former DHARMA....hence the photo) and regain control.

The eternal struggle has always been The Island vs The Sinister Corporation ever since the place was discovered (by Magnus Hanso?) and attempts were made to return and exploit the place.  These exploits would include its power to heal, EM forces, and alteration of space/time.  DHARMA was a front group set up to study these forces.  I'd wager that none of the individual DHARMA members on The Island had 100% knowledge of the purpose of the group. 

Once young Ben was discovered by Alpert to have an innate connection with The Island, he joined up with The Natives (aka 'Nothers© ) and began to commune with Jacob, mouthpiece for The Island.  After the Purge, Ben was presumably working for The Island and against DHARMA, although I think that he wanted them (and by extension The Sinister Corporation) to think everything was hunky dorey for as long as possible.  Keep someone in there pushing the button.  Keep receiving the supply drops.  Heck, even keep sending reps like Alpert out to the real world to pull in useful staff and maintain relations with Sin Inc.

Regardless of the above speculation, clearly he's a marked man as far as the Corp is concerned.  The problem is that he also alienated many Others with his birthing crusade. 
Title: Re: Members of the Freighter "Dream Team"
Post by: cbw420 on February 08, 2008, 04:09:31 PM
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The Others overthrew the Dharma people, who had become soft with all their crunchy Buddhism and cushy navel-gazing experiments.

It's true that DHARMA appeared this way.  However, I feel that whether most of their members realized it or not, they were funded and directed by The Sinister Corporation.  Abbadon put together the Dropees' mission because he wanted to get Ben (former DHARMA....hence the photo) and regain control.

The eternal struggle has always been The Island vs The Sinister Corporation ever since the place was discovered (by Magnus Hanso?) and attempts were made to return and exploit the place.  These exploits would include its power to heal, EM forces, and alteration of space/time.  DHARMA was a front group set up to study these forces.  I'd wager that none of the individual DHARMA members on The Island had 100% knowledge of the purpose of the group. 

Once young Ben was discovered by Alpert to have an innate connection with The Island, he joined up with The Natives (aka 'Nothers© ) and began to commune with Jacob, mouthpiece for The Island.  After the Purge, Ben was presumably working for The Island and against DHARMA, although I think that he wanted them (and by extension The Sinister Corporation) to think everything was hunky dorey for as long as possible.  Keep someone in there pushing the button.  Keep receiving the supply drops.  Heck, even keep sending reps like Alpert out to the real world to pull in useful staff and maintain relations with Sin Inc.

Regardless of the above speculation, clearly he's a marked man as far as the Corp is concerned.  The problem is that he also alienated many Others with his birthing crusade. 


you are me new BIFF (best internet friend forever)

that post was extremely on point and almost exactly what i said in another thread moments ago
Title: Re: Members of the Freighter "Dream Team"
Post by: Lion of Atreides on February 08, 2008, 05:12:25 PM
I agree with your interpretation of the Dharma scientists as a front for, and dupes of, the Sinister Corporation.  That still allows for The Others' viewpoint, which had been around far longer, to view Dharma's Buddhist philosophies and experimentations as somehow a sacrilege to their own, prior relgious interpretations of the powers of the island.  That would be a strong motivation, in alignment with, yet distinct from, Ben's daddy issues motivation, to commit the genocide of the purge, common to most relgious wars.  Hopefully when we get to the temple, the religious motivations of The Others vis-a-vis the Island will be revealed.

Surely Ben, the master manipulator of both the Sinister Corporation and The Others, was thrown for a loop by the crash of Flight 815.  It was only soon after that event that the airdrops stopped, Abbadon organized the mission to get Ben, Locke + The Losties began destroying vital infrastructure to his control, and The Others began questioning Ben's leadership.
Title: Re: Members of the Freighter "Dream Team"
Post by: Erin on February 08, 2008, 06:26:05 PM
I was wondering if anyone caught what Daniel said while going through the jungle, something about the way the trails or trees were dispersed/displaced?  Was it significant?
Title: Re: Members of the Freighter "Dream Team"
Post by: Rebel 3:16 on February 08, 2008, 06:34:57 PM
Something like 'the light didnt fall right'?
Title: Re: Members of the Freighter "Dream Team"
Post by: LostAndSeek on February 08, 2008, 09:07:27 PM
The light doesn't disperse? diffract? normally.

I think this is a clue to why the island is invisible from the outside world. I.e. doesn't show up on satellite images, isn't seen by planes flying overhead.

This guy looks to me like one of those borderline genius/nutcase scientists. He can't remember Naomi's code words, but probably can recite the entire periodic table.

I suspect the woman he's with at the beginning is someone we know... Maybe Olivia?
Maybe a grown up Annie?
Title: Re: Members of the Freighter "Dream Team"
Post by: Creflo on February 08, 2008, 09:59:19 PM
There is a thread up about the way the light doesn't diffuse properly.  This is most likely an electromagnetic anomaly.

cbw: you and me and the Team of Faith, brother.

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That still allows for The Others' viewpoint, which had been around far longer, to view Dharma's Buddhist philosophies and experimentations as somehow a sacrilege to their own, prior relgious interpretations of the powers of the island.

I concur.  The Others (the pure ones) are Team of Faith.

Since their introduction in the Orientation films, I've speculated that the DeGroots were key to this faction of DHARMA, even though they are actual scientists.  Often in the films, the group is referred to as something like "DeGroots/Hanso" and this represents the two factions of The Initiative.  The blast door map references "AH/MDG Incident" (Alvar Hanso/M___ DeGroots?) as well D.I.H.G. (DHARMA Initiative Hanso Group...ie before or after the pesky idealists?).
Title: Re: Members of the Freighter "Dream Team"
Post by: hyperform on February 08, 2008, 11:53:45 PM
what if miles is here specifically to talk to jacob or smokey, or hell maybe even charlie.