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Title: Hurley and the cabin
Post by: taki1379 on February 07, 2008, 11:35:05 PM
Did anyone else notice the look on Ben's face when hurley spoke to the cabin?
Title: Re: Hurley and the cabin
Post by: jugdish on February 07, 2008, 11:37:05 PM
Both Ben and Locke were surprised he talked about the cabin. I think that means it was not Locke in the cabin. He would of know that it was Hurley. It must mean the Hurley has a special connection to the island also.
Title: Re: Hurley and the cabin
Post by: Roman122 on February 07, 2008, 11:37:35 PM
YES!! no one i was watching with saw it, but yes, i did. I think ben thinks hurley is special too
Title: Re: Hurley and the cabin
Post by: jugdish on February 07, 2008, 11:39:27 PM
You must be special to be able to see it and especially jacob.
Title: Re: Hurley and the cabin
Post by: taki1379 on February 07, 2008, 11:48:19 PM
I know you must be "special" to see jacob. It was especially shocking to Ben that Locke heard Jacob. I guess Ben thought he was the only one to be able to do that. Now that Hurley can at least see him I think ben will be threatened by that.
Title: Re: Hurley and the cabin
Post by: *MaZ* on February 07, 2008, 11:52:27 PM
Hurley sees Jacob AND speaks to dead people...the plot thickens!
Title: Re: Hurley and the cabin
Post by: jugdish on February 07, 2008, 11:55:37 PM
Maybe Jacob is a dead person!
Title: Re: Hurley and the cabin
Post by: bhn on February 07, 2008, 11:56:58 PM
I think it was just a vision some aspect of the island made him see the cabin, they were prob surprised the island "revealed" it to him
Title: Re: Hurley and the cabin
Post by: tonysee200x on February 08, 2008, 12:01:36 AM
With all that has gone on It is easy to forget, but Hurley does have a major connection with the island through the numbers.

Title: Re: Hurley and the cabin
Post by: taki1379 on February 08, 2008, 12:12:16 AM
at least for me hurley has become a central character. far more important than i previously thought.
Title: Re: Hurley and the cabin
Post by: Blackrock Bob on February 08, 2008, 12:22:01 AM
After watching the episode again, I was thinking that was Hurley eye in Jacob's cabin. Like that movie with John Cusak.
I think that was just Hurley seeing a vision that the Island or Jacob gave him. It wasn't really Jacob's cabin.
Since it disappeared when Hurley closed his eyes, just like Charlie disappeared.
Title: Re: Hurley and the cabin
Post by: hyperform on February 08, 2008, 12:54:37 AM
i heard an interview with jorge garcia and he said that the actor who was the eye in the window was someone we havent seen yet. so it could be someone that arrived in this episode
Title: Re: Hurley and the cabin
Post by: Sunflower on February 08, 2008, 02:36:34 AM
Excuse my ignorance wasn't the drunk pilot Jacob according to one of the mods articles??  Is that the same guy?
Title: Re: Hurley and the cabin
Post by: therealsawyer on February 08, 2008, 02:40:11 AM
Both Ben and Locke seemed thrown off that Hurley had mentioned the cabin.  I guess they don't want anyone else in the "special" club.

Remember Hurley is actually the only one that was on 815 because of a reason tied to the island and it's mythology.  He was in Australia to investigate the numbers.

Could he be the actual "main" character or the reason 815 crashed on the island>
Title: Re: Hurley and the cabin
Post by: PrincessLeia on February 08, 2008, 02:42:35 AM
Excuse my ignorance wasn't the drunk pilot Jacob according to one of the mods articles??  Is that the same guy?

http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Rob_Kyker  Last season's Jacob was played by the prop master as they had yet to cast the real Jacob. lol

Jeff Fahey was Lapidus tonight.
Title: Re: Hurley and the cabin
Post by: Maxor127 on February 08, 2008, 06:54:53 AM
Locke looked more amused than anything else.  Ben didn't look happy though.
Title: Re: Hurley and the cabin
Post by: ActivityGrrrl on February 08, 2008, 07:01:29 AM
Excuse my ignorance wasn't the drunk pilot Jacob according to one of the mods articles??  Is that the same guy?

I know it's been addressed, but I wanted to say I thought that too for a second, but during an earlier commercial break, I was showing my husband the screen cap of Jacob from The Man Behind the Curtain, so when we both said, "Hey, is that..?" I realized it wasn't him just as quickly.  If I hadn't just seen the pic for the 42nd time, I'd have had to check it out.
Title: Re: Hurley and the cabin
Post by: ActivityGrrrl on February 08, 2008, 07:08:19 AM
Both Ben and Locke seemed thrown off that Hurley had mentioned the cabin.  I guess they don't want anyone else in the "special" club.

Remember Hurley is actually the only one that was on 815 because of a reason tied to the island and it's mythology.  He was in Australia to investigate the numbers.

Could he be the actual "main" character or the reason 815 crashed on the island>

Yeah, they seemed shocked.  Ben looked like he wanted to kill him, Locke looked like he wanted to interview him.

What's the deal with the numbers these days, anyway?  They occur a bit here and there (like last week's "H-O" sneak) but there doesn't really seem to be much special about them anymore.  Did they die with the Swan?  That would be lame.

I love anything centered around Hurley - I'd love to see that he was the main attraction to the island for some important reason or task;  it could explain why he's his old seemingly unstable self.  (I said "seemingly".  I think he might be the most in-tune and sane one in the Funky Island Bunch.)
Title: Re: Hurley and the cabin
Post by: Maxor127 on February 08, 2008, 07:21:00 AM
Helicopter number is N842M, I think.
Title: Re: Hurley and the cabin
Post by: ActivityGrrrl on February 08, 2008, 07:30:14 AM
Helicopter number is N842M, I think.

Thanks, Maxor127!  I missed that.  I had to miss a couple minutes and I'm pretty steamed.  (Literally!  LOL  There was a small kitchen emergency and I barely saw the helicopter.)
Title: Re: Hurley and the cabin
Post by: gjohnson on February 08, 2008, 09:13:56 AM
Maybe Jacob is a dead person!
Hence the parapsychologist on the chopper?!
Title: Re: Hurley and the cabin
Post by: Ladybug on February 08, 2008, 11:15:29 AM
i thought the look on locke's face when hurley mentioned the cabin was more like, "dude!  you aren't supposed to SAY anything!  especially in front of BEN!!"
Title: Re: Hurley and the cabin
Post by: Savior on February 08, 2008, 11:19:30 AM
I thought both seemed surprised that Hurley knew about the cabin. Both thinking they are very special and here is this 3rd guy that no one thinks much about, beyond that he is a nice guy, and he has seen the cabin.
Title: Re: Hurley and the cabin
Post by: Alvarandthechipmunks on February 08, 2008, 11:22:35 AM
I thought both seemed surprised that Hurley knew about the cabin. Both thinking they are very special and here is this 3rd guy that no one thinks much about, beyond that he is a nice guy, and he has seen the cabin.
I agree, but I hope we all don't start concluding that it makes Hurley "Special". I'm thinking that anyone has the opportunity to see the cabin. It's just that opportunities haven't presented themselves to them yet. On the other hand, Hurley's visions are quite strong, what with him seeing Dave 2 seasons ago.
Title: Re: Hurley and the cabin
Post by: lostfan777 on February 08, 2008, 02:17:08 PM
Yes, I'd say they were both surprised.  The most important thing I got out of it was that it seemed that maybe the cabin was an apparition to Hurley, as some have guessed, because he thought it was in the opposite direction from where Locke was taking them.  It also seems that it definitely wasn't Locke looking out at Hurley unless Locke was part of the alleged apparition. 
Title: Re: Hurley and the cabin
Post by: honeymfw on February 08, 2008, 02:25:02 PM
I think that both Ben and Locke were surprised because apparently they are the only ones who have probably seen Jacob.  BTW-My money is that Jacod is Christian Shepard.  Please don't kill me.  Ben was surprised that Locke heard Jacob and shot him in the side because he wants to be the only one in controll.
Title: Re: Hurley and the cabin
Post by: Creflo on February 08, 2008, 04:06:09 PM
The first go-round, I thought that Locke threw a glare at Hurley because after they hung out near the cabin in the last ep, he probably told him to keep it a secret.  I went into ep.2 assuming that Locke had explained Jacob to Hurley.

When Hurley spoke that he knew the direction of the cabin, Locke shot him the STFU stare but Ben picked up on it...or kill me.
Title: Re: Hurley and the cabin
Post by: lostfan777 on February 08, 2008, 04:08:19 PM
The first go-round, I thought that Locke threw a glare at Hurley because after they hung out near the cabin in the last ep, he probably told him to keep it a secret.  I went into ep.2 assuming that Locke had explained Jacob to Hurley.

When Hurley spoke that he knew the direction of the cabin, Locke shot him the STFU stare but Ben picked up on it...or kill me.

Doesn't call for your death, but I think Locke was surprised.  In fact didn't Locke and Ben exchange glances.  I may be wrong.
Title: Re: Hurley and the cabin
Post by: taki1379 on February 08, 2008, 06:31:15 PM
Locke gave a half smile to hurley, ben looked like he'd seen a ghost.
Title: Re: Hurley and the cabin
Post by: LostAndSeek on February 08, 2008, 08:52:30 PM
I dunno what to think...

If Hurley saw the real cabin, and it sure looked like the real thing, how can it be in a different place from where Locke thinks it is?

If it's some kind of apparition, well it's awfully real as Hurley was able to walk up on the little porch. And it looks an awful lot like the real thing.

I'm beginning to think it moves...

But mainly.... I dunno.
Title: Re: Hurley and the cabin
Post by: versed4every1 on February 08, 2008, 09:07:45 PM
i thought the look on locke's face when hurley mentioned the cabin was more like, "dude!  you aren't supposed to SAY anything!  especially in front of BEN!!"

That was my take too, LB.  The "I thought I told you it was our secret!" look.
Title: Re: Hurley and the cabin
Post by: Creflo on February 08, 2008, 09:44:20 PM
How about the cabin that Hurley saw was not a real cabin at all but a projection by The Island.  That would explain why the man in the chair looked more like Christian than what Jacob sees.  It would explain how it appeared on both sides of Hurley.

Maybe the conversation I had assumed took place between Hurley and Locke ("what's this place dude?"  "it's where the mouthpiece live, don't tell anyone") was different.  Maybe Hurley said something like "I swear I just saw a cabin with creepy dudes inside".  Locke would guard his response to such a statement, just like Ben wasn't eager for his people to hear John refer to Jacob.
Title: Re: Hurley and the cabin
Post by: Asmodean on February 09, 2008, 03:35:22 PM
Locke's reaction, either surprise or amusement, sort of confirms it wasn't his eye Hugo saw at the cabin.
Title: Re: Hurley and the cabin
Post by: Rebel 3:16 on February 09, 2008, 06:17:12 PM
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I know you must be "special" to see jacob. It was especially shocking to Ben that Locke heard Jacob. I guess Ben thought he was the only one to be able to do that. Now that Hurley can at least see him I think ben will be threatened by that.

Sorry I joined in this topic so late, I was thinking maybe this could be the reason Hurley says to Jack (in the psyc ward) 'I should never have gone with Locke, I should have come with you dude' or words to that effect - Maybe Locke ditched Hurley once he realised he was a threat to 'his' little Island paradise.
Also remember Hurley was the one who saw the Pterodactyl bird on the way to meet with the Other's.
Title: Re: Hurley and the cabin
Post by: _freckles_ on February 09, 2008, 09:16:20 PM
Locke looked more amused than anything else.  Ben didn't look happy though.

when does ben EVER look happy?   :P
Title: Re: Hurley and the cabin
Post by: LostAndSeek on February 09, 2008, 10:00:27 PM
Welcome Freckles!

Closest we've come might have been when he was having breakfast with, well, um, Freckles....
Title: Re: Hurley and the cabin
Post by: thebeann on February 09, 2008, 11:01:40 PM
Initially I thought Locke was giving Hurley the old "ixNay on the abinCay!" look until I heard the Jorge Garcia interview where he talked about the eye being an unnamed actor. I now think the eye was NOT Locke, and Locke's look was genuine surprise.

A lot of things suggest that Jacob is a ghost. One, his attire in season 3 - very old fashioned, almost pirate-like (think: Black Rock).

Two, things started getting crazy on that episode when Locke shined his flashlight. I am a certified paranormal investigator, and one common belief is that spirits manifest by using available energy (like from flashlight batteries). Ben even warned Locke to not bring in any technology. Flashlight on, chaos ensued and Jacob manifested.

Third, we know Ben can see ghosts because he saw his mom. And he sees Jacob when no one else can either (until recently). In fact, some of us think that Ben rose to lead the Hostiles because he was the only one who could communicate with their true - dead - leader.

Fourth, we know Hurley can see dead people because he saw Charlie. And, he saw someone in the cabin - maybe Christian, or maybe Jacob as Christian (or maybe Jacob IS Christian). 2/3 chance here that it was Jacob and more possible indicators that he is a ghost.

One thing that was interesting when Hurley saw the cabin again after running away: it disappeared when he shut his eyes and then reopened...but he was also backing up at the same time. Remember from season 3 that there is some sort of circle around the cabin (when Locke went up with Ben, Locke bent down to investigate). Could the circle somehow "protect"  the cabin by rendering it unseen? Maybe the cabin disappeared because Hurley backed up beyond the circle.
Title: Re: Hurley and the cabin
Post by: Erin on February 09, 2008, 11:11:07 PM
I found it interesting that Hurley recognized that Locke and Ben were surprised at his mention of the cabin, seemingly felt uncomfortable or scared, and covered it up by stating the "airplane cabin".
Title: Re: Hurley and the cabin
Post by: Rebel 3:16 on February 10, 2008, 04:42:22 AM
Good post thebeann, I agree with pretty much everything you have written particularly the use of the torch.

Also:
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Could the circle somehow "protect"  the cabin by rendering it unseen?

In much the same way something could be protecting the Island by rendering it unseen also?
Title: Re: Hurley and the cabin
Post by: puff6962 on February 10, 2008, 11:15:29 AM
remember too that locke never saw anybody in the cabin, he just heard a voice.  of course, if the eye is locke, then now he may have seen somebody. 
Title: Re: Hurley and the cabin
Post by: Creflo on February 10, 2008, 11:42:49 AM
There was someone on EBay who was selling vials of the ash (or whatever) that surrounded the cabin.  They had photos from where they had visited the set and snagged some magic joo-joo powder.
Title: Re: Hurley and the cabin
Post by: hyperform on February 10, 2008, 01:19:00 PM
remember too that locke never saw anybody in the cabin, he just heard a voice.  of course, if the eye is locke, then now he may have seen somebody. 

actually he did see someone after he heard the "help me" sitting in the chair
Title: Re: Hurley and the cabin
Post by: goober on February 10, 2008, 02:28:12 PM
Most of our losties have seen apparitions of one form or another... Christian Shepard, Walt, Yemi, etc. Therfore I do not think it is a stretch that Hurley saw an apparition of the cabin.

Maybe The Island/Jacob can project into the minds of the island's inhabitants as well as pull personal information out. We previously thought that Smokie was doing this, but maybe Smokie is simply an extension of the Island/Jacob.  :-\

Wow  :o This is getting good and the titles of the next few episodes indicate it's only going to get better... IMHO  8)
Title: Re: Hurley and the cabin
Post by: therealsawyer on February 11, 2008, 12:09:15 AM
How about the cabin that Hurley saw was not a real cabin at all but a projection by The Island.  That would explain why the man in the chair looked more like Christian than what Jacob sees.  It would explain how it appeared on both sides of Hurley.

Maybe the conversation I had assumed took place between Hurley and Locke ("what's this place dude?"  "it's where the mouthpiece live, don't tell anyone") was different.  Maybe Hurley said something like "I swear I just saw a cabin with creepy dudes inside".  Locke would guard his response to such a statement, just like Ben wasn't eager for his people to hear John refer to Jacob.

I don't think there is an actual "location" of the cabin.  Locke sees it where he does, Hurley where he sees it.  Remember what Ben said about Jacob.  Something along the lines of "You don't just go and see him, he summons you".  I believe he summoned Hugo.

I also don't think Hurley said anything to Locke about seeing the cabin.  He has never really opened up to anyone about "seeing" visions.  I think that he believes that he is under stress with Charlie dying and maybe going crazy again.

I think both Ben and John will be threatened by another person seeing Jacob.  Remember all the back and forth between the two at the end of season 3.  Basically they sounded like two little kids - "The island likes me better. no it likes me better I've been here longer. You're in a wheelchair and I'm not.  I can see Jacob and you can't....."
Title: Re: Hurley and the cabin
Post by: Abaddons Key on February 11, 2008, 06:41:43 PM
I can't imagine that nobody noticed something very telling in last weeks episode and also, that it hasn't been discussed thoroughly already.  However, I haven't seen anything amongst the posts that spoke to this episode so here goes.

While Locke's group was wandering the jungle and I believe it was before they met with the other female jumper, Hurley let something slip that, for some reason, he wanted kept to himself (there is a history of people not communicating things both normal and weird that happened to them on the island, in fact I've only noticed Hurley ever speaking up about some of the stranger things).  He admitted half consciously that he had seen AND knows about Jacobs Cabin(he doesn't know about Jacob just the cabin).  The second he spoke those words both Locke and Ben's eyes lite up with surprise while nobody else reacted.  I assume this to mean you must be "special" in order to even see the cabin. 

Now with that said, how is it that Hurley is a "special" person on the island.  If Locke and Ben aren't the only one's on the Island that would be deemed "special" then whoelse besides Hurley could be?

Could be nothing but this is Lost, you just never know.
Title: Re: Hurley and the cabin
Post by: tonysee200x on February 11, 2008, 06:44:30 PM
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Now with that said, how is it that Hurley is a "special" person on the island

It is easy to forget with all that has happened, but Hurley does have a unique connection to the island via the numbers
Title: Re: Hurley and the cabin
Post by: cbw420 on February 11, 2008, 06:44:39 PM
http://lost.cubit.net/forum/index.php?topic=6832.0
Title: Re: Hurley and the cabin
Post by: Abaddons Key on February 11, 2008, 06:46:49 PM
There it is, just trying to bring something significant to the forefront  :)  IMO this is the best mystery going right now.
Title: Re: Hurley and the cabin
Post by: LostAndSeek on February 11, 2008, 07:04:26 PM
Welcome, Mr. Key!
Title: Re: Hurley and the cabin
Post by: Ladybug on February 12, 2008, 10:42:32 AM
I can't imagine that nobody noticed something very telling in last weeks episode and also, that it hasn't been discussed thoroughly already.  However, I haven't seen anything amongst the posts that spoke to this episode so here goes.

While Locke's group was wandering the jungle and I believe it was before they met with the other female jumper, Hurley let something slip that, for some reason, he wanted kept to himself (there is a history of people not communicating things both normal and weird that happened to them on the island, in fact I've only noticed Hurley ever speaking up about some of the stranger things).  He admitted half consciously that he had seen AND knows about Jacobs Cabin(he doesn't know about Jacob just the cabin).  The second he spoke those words both Locke and Ben's eyes lite up with surprise while nobody else reacted.  I assume this to mean you must be "special" in order to even see the cabin. 

Now with that said, how is it that Hurley is a "special" person on the island.  If Locke and Ben aren't the only one's on the Island that would be deemed "special" then whoelse besides Hurley could be?

Could be nothing but this is Lost, you just never know.
can you give us a specific quote?  here is a link (http://lostpedia.com/wiki/Confirmed_Dead_transcript) to the transcript from lostpedia.  all i can find that that hurley says about the cabin is the following:
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HURLEY: I think the cabin was back that way