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Title: Who's Oceanic 4 of 6?
Post by: AstroJones on February 07, 2008, 11:28:34 PM
Okay, this is the disclaimer, this is not a spoiler thread, so if anyone sees a spoiler posted about who #4 is next week, DON'T POST IT.

But with that being said I thought it might be fun to post what are bets are on who #4 is going to be.  Any bets anyone?  I'll take Sayid!
Title: Re: Who's Oceanic 4 of 6?
Post by: *MaZ* on February 07, 2008, 11:33:44 PM
huh? How do you figure that???!!!rsrsrsrs..
Title: Re: Who's Oceanic 4 of 6?
Post by: Pepsi-Maxx on February 07, 2008, 11:40:21 PM
hmmm claire? jin or sun? they would be my bets.
Title: Re: Who's Oceanic 4 of 6?
Post by: jugdish on February 07, 2008, 11:42:28 PM
Okay, this is the disclaimer, this is not a spoiler thread, so if anyone sees a spoiler posted about who #4 is next week, DON'T POST IT.

But with that being said I thought it might be fun to post what are bets are on who #4 is going to be.  Any bets anyone?  I'll take Sayid!

Of course you do, It is Sayid centric.

I'll go with Sawyer
Title: Re: Who's Oceanic 4 of 6?
Post by: jumbotron on February 07, 2008, 11:55:52 PM
I'll take Sayid as well. Reason... the next episode is his (duh), he's with the chopper pilot and he was messing with the electronics after it was hit by lightning.  If I was the pilot he'd be the first one on!
Title: Re: Who's Oceanic 4 of 6?
Post by: jugdish on February 07, 2008, 11:56:50 PM
I didn't think you could double up.

I change mine to Sayid!!
Title: Re: Who's Oceanic 4 of 6?
Post by: *MaZ* on February 07, 2008, 11:59:47 PM
I'll take Sawyer, too.
And I'll go all out and say he's the one in the coffin, also. Kate felt betrayed by him leaving with Locke, severed all ties. When he died, she didn't care to go to the funeral. That's why Jack said he wasn't a friend of the dead guy...but still felt for him.
Title: Re: Who's Oceanic 4 of 6?
Post by: JBRam on February 08, 2008, 12:00:57 AM
I think whoever is going to be the next of the 6 will be the guy in the coffin.
Title: Re: Who's Oceanic 4 of 6?
Post by: taki1379 on February 08, 2008, 12:16:04 AM
i don't think that the person in the coffin will be from the "oceanic 6". If they had been the obituary would have mentioned it. The oceanic 6 are famous and viewed as celebrities.
Title: Re: Who's Oceanic 4 of 6?
Post by: jugdish on February 08, 2008, 12:19:00 AM
I think whoever is going to be the next of the 6 will be the guy in the coffin.

Why??
Title: Re: Who's Oceanic 4 of 6?
Post by: *MaZ* on February 08, 2008, 12:23:48 AM
I think whoever is going to be the next of the 6 will be the guy in the coffin.

Why??
Why not?? Someone's gotta be in there ;)
Title: Re: Who's Oceanic 4 of 6?
Post by: *MaZ* on February 08, 2008, 12:25:44 AM
I keep hoping is Michael...in the coffin, I mean. But I guess not?? The funeral place was in a black neighborhood, right?
Could be him....nah - it's Sawyer.
Title: Re: Who's Oceanic 4 of 6?
Post by: Maxor127 on February 08, 2008, 12:57:57 AM
I could tell you who the other 3 are, but I cheated and you'd be spoiled.
Title: Re: Who's Oceanic 4 of 6?
Post by: therealsawyer on February 08, 2008, 02:30:58 AM
The person in the coffin is not one of the Oceanic 6.  They become famous for 15 minutes after their return thus some media would have been there to cover the funeral.
Title: Re: Who's Oceanic 4 of 6?
Post by: WhatThe on February 08, 2008, 02:33:00 AM
I think #4 is Vincent...
Title: Re: Who's Oceanic 4 of 6?
Post by: therealsawyer on February 08, 2008, 02:35:05 AM
I agree that #4 will be Sayid.

I also think that Kate and Jack end up together and can't make it work off island and this is part of the reason for Jack's fall into depression.  His call to her in the finale was too familiar.. "Hi, it's me."  Thus I don't think Sawyer is one of the six..I just hope he doesn't die.
Title: Re: Who's Oceanic 4 of 6?
Post by: Desmond8MyPopRocks on February 08, 2008, 03:57:02 AM
I agree that #4 will be Sayid.

I also think that Kate and Jack end up together and can't make it work off island and this is part of the reason for Jack's fall into depression.  His call to her in the finale was too familiar.. "Hi, it's me."  Thus I don't think Sawyer is one of the six..I just hope he doesn't die.

Jack's call to Kate was whiney because Jack's always been whiney, and a cry-baby.  Jack, Kate and Hurley made it off the Island because they all would compromise their principles just to get the f off.  Consider who was left:

Sayid?  Sayid's dead and was willing to face his maker, unless Nadia shows up--then it's game on.  If Nadia works for Dharma, which is a very very strong possibility, he'll stay with her. If not, Sayid has nothing to return to, like most of our Losties.  Actually, all of them.

Sawyer will bite it.  He's too proud a man and I don't think he'll make it off the Island.  Ben was right, Sawyer has nothing to return to.  The only thing keeping him alive was looking for the man who killed his mother and father.  Well, he killed that SOB on craphole island <story done>

Locke -- left behind and wanted it that way, no matter how the tides turned.

Jin - imho, a totally different character than we know and he'll probably survive, but put his wife on a heli or plane first to leave.

Sun - don't f with Sun; I still believe she killed her lover from the hotel and when push comes to shove, she'll protect fiercely like a caged rat.  (oops, did I say that?  Reminded me of a Skinner Box rat)

I don't think Rose and Bernard leave.

and here's the kicker.....

I think the flash forward we saw at the end of S3 was a flash-flash forward.  It is a child in the coffin, unless someone was put into a woodchipper by their accomplice beforehand, which is highly doubtful.

I believe Kate has to return home to her son, hence the "he" and "him" reference, but is the child hers, or is it Sun and Jin's?  Sun trusted Kate enough to tell her that she cheated, she thought she was preggers, etc.  Did Sun and Jin die and Kate took their child to care for him, or is it Aaron?  Whomever kate had to return home to, it was not a lover--I believe it is a child.

and on a personal note:  I wish the Marshall would've made it.  I liked him.

speculation cheers
*Des8

PS*  wouldn't you FREAK out of Shannon and Boone were two of the Oceanic 6?  heh heh
Title: Re: Who's Oceanic 4 of 6?
Post by: Maxor127 on February 08, 2008, 06:11:02 AM
lol... i've been saying the same thing about the coffin but it seemed like i was the only one who noticed... the coffin does look child-sized to me... could just be the angle or something, though... i can't imagine kate giving a "what do i care?" look to jack when he mentions it... i guess the only candidate would be Aaron or we're wrong about the coffin size, in which case it's Michael, Locke, or Ben or someone to be revealed later.
Title: Re: Who's Oceanic 4 of 6?
Post by: Sweet Old Lady on February 08, 2008, 06:50:17 AM
I'll take Sayid as 4 of 6.  The person in the coffin could be one of the freighter people. 
Title: Re: Who's Oceanic 4 of 6?
Post by: Desmond8MyPopRocks on February 08, 2008, 08:16:33 AM
I'll take Sayid as 4 of 6.  The person in the coffin could be one of the freighter people. 

SOL"  Great to see ya!

Why would Sayid want to return if Nadia was dead?  Sayid's got a death wish he's willing to live out, imho.  Your thoughts?

cheers
*Des8
Title: Re: Who's Oceanic 4 of 6?
Post by: Ladybug on February 08, 2008, 11:09:54 AM
i plead the 5th.  since i have read the spoilers.
Title: Re: Who's Oceanic 4 of 6?
Post by: jugdish on February 08, 2008, 11:12:34 AM
If sayid wanted to die so badly, he would cap himself. Given a chance to live or die, he is going to choose to live.

Sayid has been trying to get off the island the whole time. Would not be a shock if he wanted to leave and live.
Title: Re: Who's Oceanic 4 of 6?
Post by: honeymfw on February 08, 2008, 02:21:16 PM
My money is on the torturer Sayid!!!!  I love him!!!  He has got to be one of the Oceanic 6
Title: Re: Who's Oceanic 4 of 6?
Post by: AstroJones on February 08, 2008, 02:43:56 PM
Hey Juggy, actually I hadn't even looked to see that the next episode was a Sayid one.  Versed just told me that she thought it was Sayid, and since I steal all my good material from her, I posted it.  ;)
Title: Re: Who's Oceanic 4 of 6?
Post by: Sweet Old Lady on February 08, 2008, 02:49:27 PM
I'll take Sayid as 4 of 6.  The person in the coffin could be one of the freighter people. 

SOL"  Great to see ya!

Why would Sayid want to return if Nadia was dead?  Sayid's got a death wish he's willing to live out, imho.  Your thoughts?

cheers
*Des8
Hi, Des.  Great to see you, too.
Title: Re: Who's Oceanic 4 of 6?
Post by: cbw420 on February 08, 2008, 02:52:22 PM
i plead the 5th.  since i have read the spoilers.

ditto!!!! but it is very comical watching everyone discuss it
Title: Re: Who's Oceanic 4 of 6?
Post by: versed4every1 on February 08, 2008, 02:53:22 PM
Hey Juggy, actually I hadn't even looked to see that the next episode was a Sayid one.  Versed just told me that she thought it was Sayid, and since I steal all my good material from her, I posted it.  ;)

How is that for credit!  ;D  Astro and I were discussing wagers on who #4 of 6 would be last night and I said I thought it would be Sayid, although I didn't know it was his episode either.  I would pick Sayid because 1) he can fly the chopper. 2) He is hands down the toughest survivor of the group.  And although Des is right he has nothing to really look forward to other than finding Nadia, if having something to go home to was the only reason they left the island, neither Jack nor Kate would really fit the bill. 
Title: Re: Who's Oceanic 4 of 6?
Post by: The Boy on February 08, 2008, 03:22:53 PM
I agree with those that have said that the coffin is child-sized.  I noticed that the minute we saw the first shot of the coffin.  I believe it is WALT in the coffin.   I also believe he and Michael are on the freighter. (Michael being ben's "man on the boat")

and oh...I take Sayid as the 4th O6...bet on it.
Title: Re: Who's Oceanic 4 of 6?
Post by: LostAndSeek on February 08, 2008, 08:21:23 PM
We had a loooong discussion on coffin size after the finale last summer. I don't think either group convinced the other. My own take is that if it were a child, there'd be visitors.
Title: Re: Who's Oceanic 4 of 6?
Post by: Maxor127 on February 08, 2008, 08:46:11 PM
I think even Walt would be too big for it.  And that's true that a child would have visitors.  Maybe Warwick Davis is going to be cast on the show?
Title: Re: Who's Oceanic 4 of 6?
Post by: LostAndSeek on February 08, 2008, 10:24:35 PM
Sorry, who's Warwick Davis and how would he fit in?
Title: Re: Who's Oceanic 4 of 6?
Post by: LostGirlDeb on February 09, 2008, 01:45:57 PM
LOL Des you crack me up
but I agree on all points!! (as usual)

LOL at Shannon or Boone being 2 of the Ocanic 6 (that would be something!!)

My prdiction is
Jack
Kate
hurley
Sayid
Jin
Sun

And I agree that Kate is going home to a child as well
but I never thought that it might be Aaron or Suns baby (possible though)
I thought it might be hers and Saywers son
Title: Re: Who's Oceanic 4 of 6?
Post by: pauinha6 on February 09, 2008, 04:11:18 PM
I agree that #4 will be Sayid.

I also think that Kate and Jack end up together and can't make it work off island and this is part of the reason for Jack's fall into depression.  His call to her in the finale was too familiar.. "Hi, it's me."  Thus I don't think Sawyer is one of the six..I just hope he doesn't die.

 this makes a lot of sense!!!
Jack used to call Kate several times a day it seems! She didn't even pick up the phone anymore!!!
She probably left him and he couldn't take it (as usual) so he kept following her (like he did his ex-wife) and she got tired of him!

That's why she met him at the airport with that "what now" face!
i like this... (sorta...)


almost forgot, i guess #4 will be Sayid too! he's one of my fav caracters and he HAS to be saved LOL
(since Hurley is #3 already lol)
Title: Re: Who's Oceanic 4 of 6?
Post by: LostAndSeek on February 09, 2008, 06:07:07 PM
It's a shame 'cause I thought Jack was over his possessive, stalky stage. When he sees Kate and Sawyer together, he stood tall and made sure they both got away. He fully believed he'd be killed the next day. Says as much when he first sees Tom that day.

So I rather think that guilt causes a spiral into dependency which in turn causes the old needy, stalking behavior to come out.
Title: Re: Who's Oceanic 4 of 6?
Post by: pauinha6 on February 09, 2008, 06:10:34 PM
 i was thinking the opposite! The old needy, stalking behavior caused the dependency.....
but you're prolly right! Jack always did luv that orange juice/vodka stuff didn't he???

i guess he was always meant to become his dad....... sad! :/
Title: Re: Who's Oceanic 4 of 6?
Post by: LostAndSeek on February 09, 2008, 06:29:01 PM
Well, you could be right too, Paula. Or we could both be right and his problems with guilt are multiplied by problems with Kate.
Title: Re: Who's Oceanic 4 of 6?
Post by: Rebel 3:16 on February 09, 2008, 07:13:07 PM
Well I was going to say #4 was Desmond but after reading all these post maybe i am wrong :(
The reason i think Desmond will get off is because my personal opinion will be that in the main:
Season 4 - will be the 6 getting off the Island.
Season 5 - those who got off the Island comming to terms and wanting to get back.
Season 6 - back on the Island for unfinished business.
Now if my theory is correct Deasmond has a big part to play on-off-and back on the Island so I reckon he will be one of the ones to get off, pretty lame but I am sticking with it, there is too much Desmond centric stuff going on off the Island. :)
And I also agree, I think it was Walt in the coffin, and my reasoning that no-one came to the funeral is:
a) Michael is dead at that point.
b) Walt may do some pretty bad things between now and the end (we already have an idea he is helping Locke and Hurley has said 'I should never have gone with Locke' - IMO Hurley is all good.
c) No-one knows Walt gets off the Island - I dont think he will be one of the 6 but I do think he will some way get off.
Title: Re: Who's Oceanic 4 of 6?
Post by: pauinha6 on February 09, 2008, 07:38:55 PM
 i KNOW Desmond will be off (i mean, i don't REALLY know, this is not a spoiler or anything like that!!!!, but with so many efforts from Penny, Des HAS to get off that island!!!)

the problem with your theory is: Desmond is NOT and Oceanic 6 because he was NEVER on Oceanic flight 815!!!!

Des might become famous too and all that but NOT as an Oceanic 6!!!!


*nice theory about Walt getting off/not being an Oceanic 6/ being... "bad".... some food for thought.... i don't agree right now, but who knows.... :) *
Title: Re: Who's Oceanic 4 of 6?
Post by: elise on February 09, 2008, 07:45:16 PM
I think the helicopter pilot is in the coffin that Jack goes and sees, anyone else?  also i think the ghost buster dude is a relative to Marvin Candle
Title: Re: Who's Oceanic 4 of 6?
Post by: pauinha6 on February 09, 2008, 07:49:57 PM
 well, for the first time i saw a post about the casket that i didn't dismiss imediatly! The drunk pilot is actually a good thought!!!
Title: Re: Who's Oceanic 4 of 6?
Post by: elise on February 09, 2008, 07:53:00 PM
hey, I grew up in a funeral home, and thats a normal 6ft sized casket ..the child casket are VERY small
Title: Re: Who's Oceanic 4 of 6?
Post by: dizzyb on February 09, 2008, 08:09:11 PM
could be vincents casket....?


only joking, put your flames down....
Title: Re: Who's Oceanic 4 of 6?
Post by: Rebel 3:16 on February 09, 2008, 09:21:12 PM
Quote
the problem with your theory is: Desmond is NOT and Oceanic 6 because he was NEVER on Oceanic flight 815!!!!

Thats a very good point  :-[

I am convinced though that Desmond will get off the Island.
Title: Re: Who's Oceanic 4 of 6?
Post by: therealsawyer on February 11, 2008, 12:16:27 AM
If Sayid is part of the Oceanic 6, it would be interesting to see how the US media handles an Iraqi national, a war veteran of the Republican Guard no less!

Does he get the same hero treatment?
Title: Re: Who's Oceanic 4 of 6?
Post by: Blackrock Bob on February 11, 2008, 11:42:11 AM
If Sayid is part of the Oceanic 6, it would be interesting to see how the US media handles an Iraqi national, a war veteran of the Republican Guard no less!

Does he get the same hero treatment?

Before 9/11? Maybe.
Now? No way.

It does depend on when they get back. 2007/8 would be different than say a few years from now.
Title: Re: Who's Oceanic 4 of 6?
Post by: Rebel 3:16 on February 11, 2008, 11:51:33 AM
The time line would be around early 2005 (Feb?) wouldnt it?
It would be interesting what year it actually is when the 6 arrive home, wether time on the Island is slower or faster etc.
Title: Re: Who's Oceanic 4 of 6?
Post by: Lady Penelope on February 11, 2008, 03:32:01 PM
In the episode when charlie is told about the looking glass, doesn't Des say that he sees Claire & Aaron getting on the chopper and leaving the island? If what he said was true and not a ploy to make sure Charlie actually went to the looking glass then we have another 1 or 2 of the Oceanic 6. They may not count Aaron as a passenger??

This means that it is also a possibility that Kate wants to get back to Aaron, when she meats up with Jack at the airport.

Title: Re: Who's Oceanic 4 of 6?
Post by: pauinha6 on February 11, 2008, 05:16:00 PM
 i think Aaron would NOT count as an O6, given he has never been on ANY plane in his short life LOL

nor would Desmond, Juliet, Ben, any of the Others or the Natives!

and i don't think Vincent would count as one either LOL
Title: Re: Who's Oceanic 4 of 6?
Post by: Rebel 3:16 on February 11, 2008, 06:22:17 PM
So the 6 so far are definatley:

Jack, Kate and Hurley.

We speculate that 2 of the others are Sayid and Claire(with Aaron), Claire because of Desmonds premonition.

I'd expect the other to be Sun then, if the chopper only holds the Oceanic 6 (along with pilot etc) I would think Jin, and the rest of the group, knowing Sun is pregnant and there is a good chance she will die in labour on the Island will put her forward.
Maybe Sun will want to stay with Jin but I bet she will be persuaded to get on board.

As for the 'Him' who Kate refers to, I tend to think its her dad, Sam Austen. Remember Kate is wanted for a serious crime (killing her real dad), I think maybe Sam Austen has either been entrusted with her (bail or whatever) or is hiding her from the law, he must have contacts being in the military.
Title: Re: Who's Oceanic 4 of 6?
Post by: joshzam on February 11, 2008, 11:30:34 PM
Wow, Rebel. Nice one. I had never considered Kate's dad until now. I also liked the thought of it being Sun's son. I guess it could be anyone except the painfully obvious Sawyer.

My money is on the following 6:
Jack
Kate (with Sun's son)
Hurley
Sayid
Michael
Claire (with Aaron)

And before you say that that's really 8, remember that children fly for free until they're 2.

Juliet and Desmond will both vie for chances to leave, but the boaties won't take anyone who wasn't on 815.
Title: Re: Who's Oceanic 4 of 6?
Post by: Lady Penelope on February 12, 2008, 08:12:10 PM
It could be her own son, she has been getting it on with Sawyer.
It could be Claires son Aaron. She still has an implant in her that could still be active, assuming Juliet isnt with them with a med pack she could be in for it!

Not so sure about Suns son.
Title: Re: Who's Oceanic 4 of 6?
Post by: FoxyMama on February 12, 2008, 08:27:35 PM
Yeah, I totally think it's Vincent.  TPTB love to mess with us that way - make us think 6 survivors got off the island, when its really 5 and a dog.   ;D  meanies.
Title: Re: Who's Oceanic 4 of 6?
Post by: joshzam on February 12, 2008, 09:33:08 PM
It could be her own son, she has been getting it on with Sawyer.
It could be Claires son Aaron. She still has an implant in her that could still be active, assuming Juliet isnt with them with a med pack she could be in for it!

Not so sure about Suns son.

But isn't it fun to write "Sun's son"? Now say it out load. Go on.
Title: Re: Who's Oceanic 4 of 6?
Post by: sawyersgurl on February 13, 2008, 01:15:35 AM
i wonder if aaron and claire will count as one or two? what do you all think? (if they are going to get off).
Title: Re: Who's Oceanic 4 of 6?
Post by: leximan on February 13, 2008, 10:04:07 AM
my O6
Jack
kate (pregnant, so she returns to her son)
hurley
sayid
claire (with aaron)
sun (pregnant)

woman and children first, and pregnant woman;)

and why sayid? because of his knowledge with equipment
the person in the coffin:  the drunk pilot...
Title: Re: Who's Oceanic 4 of 6?
Post by: LostGirlDeb on February 13, 2008, 12:55:44 PM
I think the boaties will take more than just the Oceanic 6
But the Oceanic 6 will be the only ones recognized as an "Oceanic 6"

My question would be, due to the lack of fuel and the weight issue
how did Hurely make it on the chopper? LOL
I suppose the chopper will have to make a few trips and actually re-fuel.
Title: Re: Who's Oceanic 4 of 6?
Post by: KateReallyLovesJack on February 13, 2008, 01:14:26 PM
I think it would be too painfully obvious if the 4th person we find out about is Sayid, in a Sayid episode... doesn't that just scream obvious to you? I like to think that TPTB expect this, and as always, they LOVE to throw a wrench into things... so I'm going with a solid NOT SAYID - although, for the life of me, I can't figure out who they'll expose next as being one of the six...

My guesses (and they are simply guesses)

Jack/Kate/Hurley (duh)
Sun - a pregnant woman on an island where all pregnant women die, will definately be given special treatment by the other losties
Claire & Aaron - counted as one, because that baby is still only 2 months old (or so) AND because of Desmond's visions that he told to Charlie

I always have trouble trying to pin #6... WHAT IF it's Juliet - everybody says no, it can't be, she wasn't on the flight to begin with... well, really, what does that matter? How easy would that be to cover up? This show tends to blow my mind weekly, and THAT would be mind blowing! lol  :D
Title: Re: Who's Oceanic 4 of 6?
Post by: LostAndSeek on February 13, 2008, 09:34:41 PM
i wonder if aaron and claire will count as one or two? what do you all think? (if they are going to get off).

Welcome, Gurly!

 This has been brought up and we've reached the startling conclusion that ... we don't know.  ;)
Title: Re: Who's Oceanic 4 of 6?
Post by: laklost on February 13, 2008, 09:37:41 PM
i wonder if aaron and claire will count as one or two? what do you all think? (if they are going to get off).

Welcome, Gurly!

 This has been brought up and we've reached the startling conclusion that ... we don't know.   ;)

Dang, you're makin' us look bad, man.  8)