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Title: Speaking to dead people
Post by: *MaZ* on February 07, 2008, 11:27:33 PM
The new guy who can speak to dead people gives a whole new meaning for Charlie showing up at Hurley's mental hospital ( "I am dead, but I'm also here"). Maybe Hurley has the same ability, but is unaware?
So dead people are all around available for a chat???!!!
Title: Re: Speaking to dead people
Post by: jugdish on February 07, 2008, 11:29:15 PM
So was the dead guy just waiting to be told to move on. He gets the money and then simply says you can go. Seemed pretty simple.
Title: Re: Speaking to dead people
Post by: hyperform on February 07, 2008, 11:30:59 PM
he seems like a con artist that really has some sort of ability.
Title: Re: Speaking to dead people
Post by: *MaZ* on February 07, 2008, 11:31:41 PM
BTW, taking the hidden money for himself and returning $100 to the poor lady??? And what does the dustbuster do?
Title: Re: Speaking to dead people
Post by: AstroJones on February 07, 2008, 11:33:17 PM
Haven't you ever seen Ghostbusters?  He was going to suck him up into one of those scary box thingies.  lol.  I'm completely kidding.
Title: Re: Speaking to dead people
Post by: jugdish on February 07, 2008, 11:33:33 PM
He almost seemed like a nice guy. lol

I think the dustbuster was just a decoy, make it look like he had tools, the noise covers up what he is saying.
Title: Re: Speaking to dead people
Post by: *MaZ* on February 07, 2008, 11:37:39 PM
I know it's stupid, but for a minute there I thought he was going to clean something up....rsrsrsrsrs.
Title: Re: Speaking to dead people
Post by: Blackrock Bob on February 08, 2008, 12:29:58 AM
I thought it looked like the Ghostbusters packs they carried. I agree that it was just a prop.

I think he is kind of like John Edward, except he can really talk to dead people.
I don't get why he didn't take the drugs and flush them down the toliet. I wouldn't touch them and put them back.

Title: Re: Speaking to dead people
Post by: Juniper Jade on February 08, 2008, 12:39:06 AM
I was confused about that whole flashback myself... Obviously he does has some sort of ability and I'm gonna assume the vacuum was a prop or... something. I think that was the weirdest flashback the entire episode.  :-\
Title: Re: Speaking to dead people
Post by: Maxor127 on February 08, 2008, 12:54:25 AM
I thought he was like Wolf in Pulp Fiction at first and we were gonna see her son's dead body and he was going to "clean up" the mess.  So maybe the smoke monster is a collection of lost souls and Jacob, Yemi, Christian, and all of them are ghosts who are amplified by phenomena on the island.
Title: Re: Speaking to dead people
Post by: Austruck on February 08, 2008, 12:56:38 AM
Or like Michael J Fox's character in The Frighteners -- real abilities but misuses them for money.
Title: Re: Speaking to dead people
Post by: Bostonlost on February 08, 2008, 01:06:19 AM
The Ghost wanted him to give the money to his mother
Title: Re: Speaking to dead people
Post by: siikidevil on February 08, 2008, 02:02:52 AM
Some ghost hunters use items which make 'white noise'. Usually for catching EVP's (Electric Voice Phenomenon).  Maybe he was using the sound of the vacuum cleaner for his white noise. 
Title: Re: Speaking to dead people
Post by: PrincessLeia on February 08, 2008, 02:19:35 AM
he seems like a con artist that really has some sort of ability.
Richard Malkin, anyone?

Haven't you ever seen Ghostbusters?  He was going to suck him up into one of those scary box thingies.  lol.  I'm completely kidding.
NU UH.  That's exactly what my husband said. :D
Title: Re: Speaking to dead people
Post by: Ladybug on February 08, 2008, 10:30:08 AM
The new guy who can speak to dead people gives a whole new meaning for Charlie showing up at Hurley's mental hospital ( "I am dead, but I'm also here"). Maybe Hurley has the same ability, but is unaware?
So dead people are all around available for a chat???!!!
the big difference i notice in the two is that hurley "sees" the dead people while miles just "hears" them.  or so it seems right now.
Title: Re: Speaking to dead people
Post by: LostAndSeek on February 08, 2008, 06:12:56 PM
My problem with this guy is that in the flash he seems to have real ability. (if true we have some kind of confirmation of ghosts, but that's probably another thread). But he's got to be running a con with the talking to Naomi bit. I mean all she could tell him is what Kate told her. He already doesn't believe Kate....

And are we to believe that the ghosts hang around long enough to tell somebody something and then they go? She's just dead meat.
Title: Re: Speaking to dead people
Post by: DirtyMaggieMae on February 12, 2008, 02:39:34 PM
I thought he was like Wolf in Pulp Fiction at first and we were gonna see her son's dead body and he was going to "clean up" the mess.  So maybe the smoke monster is a collection of lost souls and Jacob, Yemi, Christian, and all of them are ghosts who are amplified by phenomena on the island.
Totally thought the same exact thing!

Anyhow, being able to talk to ghosts is one thing.  But how did he know he was going to find a large stash of money in that house?  Did he know that before (is that why he took the job?) or did the ghost tell him?  Didn't really seem like the ghost SPOKE to him... when Miles asked "where is it?" right way it seemed like he knew money was there already.  Then the ghost bumped something, never told him anything...seems like to me anyways....

As far as being able to speak with Naomi's ghost.... maybe it's not actually ghosts he's seeing but is instead seeing snippets of the past?  OOOOO maybe that is how he knew there was money in that room?  Saw a snippet of the kid stashing it..?  I'm just waiting for him to discover all of the whispers on the island....

So why was this guy picked?  Was it because of the whispers, or did they think he could better communicate with Jacob?
Title: Re: Speaking to dead people
Post by: laklost on February 12, 2008, 02:53:54 PM
I thought he was like Wolf in Pulp Fiction at first and we were gonna see her son's dead body and he was going to "clean up" the mess.  So maybe the smoke monster is a collection of lost souls and Jacob, Yemi, Christian, and all of them are ghosts who are amplified by phenomena on the island.
Totally thought the same exact thing!

Anyhow, being able to talk to ghosts is one thing.  But how did he know he was going to find a large stash of money in that house?  Did he know that before (is that why he took the job?) or did the ghost tell him?  Didn't really seem like the ghost SPOKE to him... when Miles asked "where is it?" right way it seemed like he knew money was there already.  Then the ghost bumped something, never told him anything...seems like to me anyways....

As far as being able to speak with Naomi's ghost.... maybe it's not actually ghosts he's seeing but is instead seeing snippets of the past?  OOOOO maybe that is how he knew there was money in that room?  Saw a snippet of the kid stashing it..?  I'm just waiting for him to discover all of the whispers on the island....

So why was this guy picked?  Was it because of the whispers, or did they think he could better communicate with Jacob?

Make it a two-fer - he can communicate with them both.
Title: Re: Speaking to dead people
Post by: dragonflyk on February 12, 2008, 02:56:51 PM
I thought he was like Wolf in Pulp Fiction at first and we were gonna see her son's dead body and he was going to "clean up" the mess.  So maybe the smoke monster is a collection of lost souls and Jacob, Yemi, Christian, and all of them are ghosts who are amplified by phenomena on the island.
Totally thought the same exact thing!

Anyhow, being able to talk to ghosts is one thing.  But how did he know he was going to find a large stash of money in that house?  Did he know that before (is that why he took the job?) or did the ghost tell him?  Didn't really seem like the ghost SPOKE to him... when Miles asked "where is it?" right way it seemed like he knew money was there already.  Then the ghost bumped something, never told him anything...seems like to me anyways....

As far as being able to speak with Naomi's ghost.... maybe it's not actually ghosts he's seeing but is instead seeing snippets of the past?  OOOOO maybe that is how he knew there was money in that room?  Saw a snippet of the kid stashing it..?  I'm just waiting for him to discover all of the whispers on the island....

So why was this guy picked?  Was it because of the whispers, or did they think he could better communicate with Jacob?

If the entity did not exist, why would he ask, out loud, "where is it"? Not to mention he asked first, then the bump came...which is why he searched over there. Maybe in the "tip" that Miles received from his friend at the station led him to the conclusion that there was something in it for him to gain? Just a thought...
So far, I think he is able to speak with the dead...and I can't wait for him to discover the whispers as well, but does this mean every dead person he comes across, he will be able to know what happened?
Title: Re: Speaking to dead people
Post by: laklost on February 12, 2008, 02:58:44 PM
I thought he was like Wolf in Pulp Fiction at first and we were gonna see her son's dead body and he was going to "clean up" the mess.  So maybe the smoke monster is a collection of lost souls and Jacob, Yemi, Christian, and all of them are ghosts who are amplified by phenomena on the island.
Totally thought the same exact thing!

Anyhow, being able to talk to ghosts is one thing.  But how did he know he was going to find a large stash of money in that house?  Did he know that before (is that why he took the job?) or did the ghost tell him?  Didn't really seem like the ghost SPOKE to him... when Miles asked "where is it?" right way it seemed like he knew money was there already.  Then the ghost bumped something, never told him anything...seems like to me anyways....

As far as being able to speak with Naomi's ghost.... maybe it's not actually ghosts he's seeing but is instead seeing snippets of the past?  OOOOO maybe that is how he knew there was money in that room?  Saw a snippet of the kid stashing it..?  I'm just waiting for him to discover all of the whispers on the island....

So why was this guy picked?  Was it because of the whispers, or did they think he could better communicate with Jacob?

If the entity did not exist, why would he ask, out loud, "where is it"? Not to mention he asked first, then the bump came...which is why he searched over there. Maybe in the "tip" that Miles received from his friend at the station led him to the conclusion that there was something in it for him to gain? Just a thought...
So far, I think he is able to speak with the dead...and I can't wait for him to discover the whispers as well, but does this mean every dead person he comes across, he will be able to know what happened?


Heaven, and TPTB, only knows now - but if he can unlock this key, won't he be valuable to all of us?!?!?
Title: Re: Speaking to dead people
Post by: dragonflyk on February 12, 2008, 03:04:42 PM
That is true...I love all of the insight on here. I have changed my mind numerous times on everything! ;D
Title: Re: Speaking to dead people
Post by: laklost on February 12, 2008, 03:06:57 PM
And you're only at 3 posts!  Imagine those of us who blabbityblabblab all over the place.  We've changed our minds so many times we don't know where we started!  :D

Welcome aboard, Dragonfly!!
Title: Re: Speaking to dead people
Post by: DirtyMaggieMae on February 12, 2008, 03:09:10 PM
Sorry if you misunderstood, I'm not denying that there wasn't an entity, I'm sure that there was a ghost there otherwise grandma would have never made the call to have miles come over.  I'm only wondering...if maybe he doesn't TALK to the ghosts as he more... is able to see what they see/saw?  (omg like smokie)  I mean, we don't ever really see his side of the conversation... he wasn't over naomi saying 'who killed you?'  'no kidding?'  'uh huh' 'a man with a knife, huh?'  And I'm not sure it is telepathic communication or else he wouldn't have said aloud 'where is it'.  I'm just trying to figure out the finer points of his ability.
Title: Re: Speaking to dead people
Post by: T Mack on February 12, 2008, 04:39:10 PM
I thought he was like Wolf in Pulp Fiction at first and we were gonna see her son's dead body and he was going to "clean up" the mess.  So maybe the smoke monster is a collection of lost souls and Jacob, Yemi, Christian, and all of them are ghosts who are amplified by phenomena on the island.
Nice post, in a nutshell.  Some significant thoughts there.
Title: Re: Speaking to dead people
Post by: DirtyMaggieMae on February 12, 2008, 04:43:42 PM
I think that there are lost souls on the island, but I don't think they are smokie?  I think they are the whispers, there is a thread on here documenting some of them...and the conversations seem like they are invisible people talking about the deeds of the losties....or something...?  I think that the amplification of the island is why the whispers are audible to people... and I have no idea what smokie is.  But he apparently is NOT nanobots.   ;)
Title: Re: Speaking to dead people
Post by: FrostyLosty on February 12, 2008, 06:43:21 PM
How come one of Hurleys psycho friends saw Charlie staring at him then?
Title: Re: Speaking to dead people
Post by: DirtyMaggieMae on February 12, 2008, 08:04:30 PM
Good question.  Here is another one.  If charlie was real how was he able to disappear?  Did he just run really far in 5 seconds?
Title: Re: Speaking to dead people
Post by: FoxyMama on February 12, 2008, 08:25:41 PM
I like that Hurley may have a similar ability to the "Ghostbuster."  He saw Dave (who may have been dead), Charlie (who is dead), and Jacob (who looked like Christian.)   :)
Also, I don't think Ghostbuster dude had the ability to get rid of the ghost.  He told the ghost-boy that his grandma didn't want him up there anymore; doesn't mean he got rid of him.  The concept may be that they just linger and that's why he was able to find out about Naomi.  idk. 
Title: Re: Speaking to dead people
Post by: DirtyMaggieMae on February 12, 2008, 08:32:08 PM
Yeah, getting rid of the ghost didn't seem to be his...er...primary directive.... it was more of an afterthought when he told the ghost that he could leave.  I think Hurley DOES have some special abilities that we haven't fully discovered yet!  That was solidified for me when he saw the cabin....the cabin that wasn't even where it was supposed to be!
Title: Re: Speaking to dead people
Post by: Nancy Drew on February 12, 2008, 11:59:48 PM
I'm not convinced that the guy who pointed Charlie out to Hurley really saw anything.  They are, after all, in a mental ward.  I think Hurley had had Charlie on his mind after seeing him "appear" at the gas station and the guy at SRMHC saying that triggered another "vision". 
Title: Re: Speaking to dead people
Post by: hyperform on February 13, 2008, 01:16:20 AM
i think hurley really does see dead people, but his ability only manifests itself when he has a lot of guilt. I think dave was one of the people who died in the deck collapse, maybe was a good friend and he didnt leave untill he was able to let go of his guilt about it, but returned when he was filled with self loathing about hoarding food and thinking he wasnt good enough for libby. just a thought.
Title: Re: Speaking to dead people
Post by: CurtYanko on February 13, 2008, 12:58:51 PM
What's the deal with the frame on that boys photo? It's changed when Miles comes back down!
Title: Re: Speaking to dead people
Post by: laklost on February 13, 2008, 01:18:04 PM
post #4976

*cough...alternate reality...cough*  ;)
Title: Re: Speaking to dead people
Post by: Lost-N-Detroit on February 14, 2008, 07:31:09 PM
Miles machine (lil dirt devil w/flashing lights) makes a distraction to the ghosts and puts them in a position where they can't do any harm. similar to the dirt/salt around the cabin. It keeps the ghosts at bay while Miles talks to the ghosts to find answers out that the ghosts don't want to give up. After finding out about the drugs and money Miles takes the money but leaves the drugs, stops his dust buster and then states, "You can go now." My one question would be if the old lady was being haunted by her son/grandson?
Title: Re: Speaking to dead people
Post by: DirtyMaggieMae on February 14, 2008, 08:28:26 PM
I think she probably was aware of her grandson's presence, which would be why she contacted Miles in the first place.  But I hope he eventually left the poor woman alone.
Title: Re: Speaking to dead people
Post by: LostAndSeek on February 15, 2008, 04:51:52 PM
I agree with Maggie!

Miles's interaction with the ghost was intriguing. It's almost as those he had the ghost trapped there. Something about, "I want to tell her you're gone, but you have to help me first". And then at the end Miles seems to be giving the ghost permission to go.