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Title: Ben and Danielle
Post by: Wishbone on May 26, 2007, 02:23:26 PM
Seemed to me like they knew each other, and not just from the net

She knew about the others, and she knew Ben
Title: Re: Ben and Danielle
Post by: JBRam on May 26, 2007, 02:24:06 PM
Why do you think they knew each other?
Title: Re: Ben and Danielle
Post by: WG?JIFFY on May 26, 2007, 03:05:59 PM
If she knew him then she would have told Sayid when she caught him in the jungle.  She told Sayid he was "one of them" but not in a way she had some prior knowledge of him. 
I don't think they "knew" each other, other than from the stories about the prisoner she turned over and such.  But it all could have been an elaborate scheme that ben had her turn him over to them to get into the hatch?  hmmm  Don't think that is how it was though. sorry.
Title: Re: Ben and Danielle
Post by: toadsage on May 26, 2007, 03:11:13 PM
a whole lot of what daanielle says is suspect. she claims to have never seen anyone on the island until the plane crashed, yet she says alex was taken from her. how could that happen? im not saying shes in with ben but her stories dont add up just right.
Title: Re: Ben and Danielle
Post by: ChrisB4290 on May 26, 2007, 03:23:45 PM
Wait, if Alex is Ben's daughter and Danielle is Alex's mother, don't you think Ben and Danielle know each other? Or was been just making it up about being her dad, aka he kidnapped Alex and said he was her dad? I don't know, but if Danielle and Ben are Alex's 'parents' they should know each other.
Title: Re: Ben and Danielle
Post by: JBRam on May 26, 2007, 03:32:56 PM
Ben is not Alex's true father. It has been confirmed by TPTB.
Title: Re: Ben and Danielle
Post by: WG?JIFFY on May 26, 2007, 07:16:06 PM
Ben is not Alex's true father. It has been confirmed by TPTB.

Thanks JB. That is why they dont know each other except from when she caught him in the net and gave him to Sayid to take back to the Hatch for interrogation, but Jacka$$ stopped him from doing it! Another bad move on Jacka$$'s part!! 
Title: Re: Ben and Danielle
Post by: LouE68 on May 26, 2007, 07:28:01 PM
Also, when Danielle has him in the net, she says, you cant believe anything he says, so maybe she has delt with him before. Seeing as how the others took Alex away from her.
Title: Re: Ben and Danielle
Post by: JBRam on May 26, 2007, 07:49:01 PM
I think she just knows that he is a hostile and that you cannot believe anything they say.
Title: Re: Ben and Danielle
Post by: goinwest on May 26, 2007, 07:50:14 PM
Since she knew he was one of them, why didn't she use him to get her daughter back when she caught him in the net?
She wanted her daughter back so bad she grabbed Aaron..
A lot of what Danielle says and does is suspect sometimes..
But I loved the reunion.. I wonder where that story is going to go next season.. A backstory would be great.
Title: Re: Ben and Danielle
Post by: JBRam on May 26, 2007, 07:52:24 PM
Remember what she said in S3?She didn't want to see Alex because Alex wouldn't even know who she was... etc.
Title: Re: Ben and Danielle
Post by: WG?JIFFY on May 26, 2007, 08:05:42 PM
Yeah but they were kinda tight together at the radio tower, so maybe Alex wants to be with her?
Title: Re: Ben and Danielle
Post by: JBRam on May 26, 2007, 08:07:48 PM
Right... I think Danielle has bounced back and forth on this issue (which is easy to do when you're crazy....)
Title: Re: Ben and Danielle
Post by: goinwest on May 26, 2007, 08:10:10 PM
Remember what she said in S3?She didn't want to see Alex because Alex wouldn't even know who she was... etc.

true, but she said this was after she saw her.. she wanted her bad enough in the s1 finale (s1 right?) to nab Aaron to exchange for her.

That's where my thinking comes from.. but Danielle is a bit off.. and it wouldn't make sense for her to take him because then Ben wouldn't have gone to the hatch and we wouldn't have season 2..

Title: Re: Ben and Danielle
Post by: pauinha6 on May 26, 2007, 08:15:03 PM
a whole lot of what daanielle says is suspect. she claims to have never seen anyone on the island until the plane crashed, yet she says alex was taken from her. how could that happen? im not saying shes in with ben but her stories dont add up just right.

I agree, I don't think she knew Ben or that she is in his side, but it is a little bit suspect that she, alone, with her daughter stolen from her, living in that island for 16 freakin' years, and she never saw any hostile or Dharma ppl?! She went to the radio tower once, blackrock... She as maps of the island yet when hiking with the losties she says something like "i've never been here before"???

there is something wierd with her...

btw, i think the "sickness" does not exist and Danielle just killed her crew (?) ..

IMHO ;)
Title: Re: Ben and Danielle
Post by: JBRam on May 26, 2007, 08:17:41 PM
I think I agree with your last statement. Rousseau just killed her crew as she was going loopy
Title: Re: Ben and Danielle
Post by: LostAndSeek on May 26, 2007, 09:07:20 PM
I think I agree with your last statement. Rousseau just killed her crew as she was going loopy

I bet there's more to it than this. We're overdue for a Danielle flashback.

Title: Re: Ben and Danielle
Post by: JBRam on May 26, 2007, 09:09:05 PM
We are overdue... I'm guessing that there will be one early in S4.
Title: Re: Ben and Danielle
Post by: pauinha6 on May 26, 2007, 10:00:43 PM
yup, i think so too

every season had a flashback caracter

1-losties
2-tailies
3-others

(kinda)

4-rousseau and maybe dharma or penny, or something like that......

anywhoooo we are due the flashback from rousseau...
Title: Re: Ben and Danielle
Post by: Tekkaman on May 27, 2007, 05:55:23 AM
What was the name of that girl Ben was friends with when he was still young.
Do we know her name? Maybe that was Danielle
Title: Re: Ben and Danielle
Post by: joshzam on May 27, 2007, 10:38:40 AM
What was the name of that girl Ben was friends with when he was still young.
Do we know her name? Maybe that was Danielle

Ben was friends with a girl named Annie - not Danielle. Annie spoke fluent American English with no foreign accent. They are not the same.
Title: Re: Ben and Danielle
Post by: joshzam on May 27, 2007, 10:45:53 AM
Alex was taken from Danielle soon after she was born on the Island. Danielle did not know who took her. Ben knew everything about Danielle, as he does. Ben was Alex's adopted father - and Alex knew this.

Danielle was not looking forward to a reunion with Alex, not because she didn't want to see her, but she was afraid that Alex would reject her after so many years (and after the lies she was surely told by the Others). The actual reunion worked out differently than Danielle had anticipated because Ben was there to add to credibility the fact that she was Alex's true mother. Plus, Alex was already fairly disillusioned with the Others after recent events.
Title: Re: Ben and Danielle
Post by: pauinha6 on May 27, 2007, 10:54:51 AM
If i'm a mother, on an island, and my baby gets kidnaped, i run the intire island looking for her!! Don't just stay put for 16 years.....
Title: Re: Ben and Danielle
Post by: DirtyMaggieMae on May 27, 2007, 01:08:28 PM
Danielle had her baby for two weeks before she was taken.  When did she say she killed her crew?  Before or after birth?  I'm assuming it would be very difficult (though not impossible) to give birth on your own.  So my question is.... who helped her deliver?  The others?  Or her team?
Title: Re: Ben and Danielle
Post by: toadsage on May 27, 2007, 01:18:57 PM
Danielle had her baby for two weeks before she was taken.  When did she say she killed her crew?  Before or after birth?   I'm assuming it would be very difficult (though not impossible) to give birth on your own.  So my question is.... who helped her deliver?  The others?  Or her team?

i think she said she recorded the message ten(?) days before alex was born. so it was before.
Title: Re: Ben and Danielle
Post by: goinwest on May 27, 2007, 03:41:38 PM
I thought she said 3 days before she was born that she recorded the message. Her crew was already dead.

So.. how long ago was the purge? At least (or more) than 16 years ago? (given the age of Alex)

Title: Re: Ben and Danielle
Post by: ChellyKins on May 27, 2007, 03:48:19 PM
I'm on board with the 3 day thing. I am pretty sure that's what she said. And yes her crew was dead by then.

I don't think Danielle is 100% honest to us all the time. I don't think she's working for anyone though. I think she is a mother that became stranded on an island, due anyday, her entire team dies...these weirdo's come by and snatch her baby from her and she's spending 16ish yrs wandering around the island alone with no friends or anything. So she's not stable...just from all that. But it confuses me that she had never seen some of the places that the Losties have taken her to. I mean, it's the same island 16yrs later...why didn't she see something?!?!?

I don't believe she knows Ben tho. I mean, on a personal level that is.
Title: Re: Ben and Danielle
Post by: JBRam on May 27, 2007, 04:28:43 PM
It was three days... CC and watching about 5 times confirms this :D
Title: Re: Ben and Danielle
Post by: gjohnson on May 28, 2007, 01:57:49 PM
If i'm a mother, on an island, and my baby gets kidnaped, i run the intire island looking for her!! Don't just stay put for 16 years.....

Of course, if they live on the other side of a sonic death-fence... I may have to wait for the right moment...
Title: Re: Ben and Danielle
Post by: WG?JIFFY on May 29, 2007, 01:43:53 AM
I dont care what it would take.  This woman has survived 16 yrs on this island and hasnt seen any of the hatches/stations? She has 500 booby traps set up and cant figure out how to get over the Fence?  Something just isnt right!!  I really think there is alot more to her than we have seen and yes it is way past time for a flashback to her history.  Let me just say there isnt a fence on the North American Island that I wouldn't cross to get my child back, even if it took me 16 yrs!!  Thats just me though.
Title: Re: Ben and Danielle
Post by: on the island on May 29, 2007, 10:13:08 AM
I have just concluded that Danielle is a wild card.  It may mean she is crazy, it may not...but it definately means there is no pattern to her behavior.

Ben on the other hand really baffles me with this one.  He is kidnapping women days after a plane crash, but he lets Danielle have her run of the island for 16 years.  Why not bring her in, give her a glass of wine, introduce her to one of they guys and see what happens?  Seriously, why would he just leave her to run free on the island?
Title: Re: Ben and Danielle
Post by: pauinha6 on May 29, 2007, 11:54:24 AM
Ben doesn't see Danielle as a menace....

And she is not "good", so she has no place with the Others...

Ben only kidnapped "good" ppl and pregnant women..

Since Danielle had already had a child, her purpose was served, let her be...

Thats the way I see it...
Title: Re: Ben and Danielle
Post by: leximan on May 29, 2007, 11:56:51 AM
i think it's logical that she didn't found any hatches cause they were underground (pearl, swan), under water(looking glass), behind a door buried under trees and bushes(medical station) and on another island(hydra), the only one's she could found was the flame and arrow(but this last one was on the other side of the island, and it's a large island).
Next
They also kidnapped Claire and the baby so because there are fertility problems on the island(sorry for bad English, I'm from Belgium). So they could have kidnapped dannielle as well and helped her delivering the baby(alone is very difficult i guess). But then she escaped without baby and then she tried to protect herself from her hostiles(Ben and the gang). The only problem she couldn't get to her baby was the ****ing sonic fence. There she saw Ben and knew he was from the others.
Also when you kidnapped a baby after 2 weeks, the baby couldn't tell her name because it's a baby.;-)
so there must have been some contact between Ben and dannielle.
Ben then raised her and told her that her mother died on the island, after she gave birth. Just like all the other woman died after they gave birth.


sounds logical to me?
no?

greetz
from Belgium
leximan
Title: Re: Ben and Danielle
Post by: pauinha6 on May 29, 2007, 12:07:03 PM
i think it's logical that she didn't found any hatches cause they were underground (pearl, swan), under water(looking glass), behind a door buried under trees and bushes(medical station) and on another island(hydra), the only one's she could found was the flame and arrow(but this last one was on the other side of the island, and it's a large island).
Next
They also kidnapped Claire and the baby so because there are fertility problems on the island(sorry for bad English, I'm from Belgium). So they could have kidnapped dannielle as well and helped her delivering the baby(alone is very difficult i guess). But then she escaped without baby and then she tried to protect herself from her hostiles(Ben and the gang). The only problem she couldn't get to her baby was the ****ing sonic fence. There she saw Ben and knew he was from the others.
Also when you kidnapped a baby after 2 weeks, the baby couldn't tell her name because it's a baby.;-)
so there must have been some contact between Ben and dannielle.
Ben then raised her and told her that her mother died on the island, after she gave birth. Just like all the other woman died after they gave birth.


sounds logical to me?
no?

greetz
from Belgium
leximan

You have a point there, but no woman ever gave birth on that island that we knoe of!!! All pregmant woman, inpreganated on that island died on their second trimester along with the baby! That's why the others kidnap children and babys... they (others) are on the verge of extintion!

(my english is not that good also, i'm from Portugal ;))
Title: Re: Ben and Danielle
Post by: jugdish on May 29, 2007, 12:12:37 PM
i think it's logical that she didn't found any hatches cause they were underground (pearl, swan), under water(looking glass), behind a door buried under trees and bushes(medical station) and on another island(hydra), the only one's she could found was the flame and arrow(but this last one was on the other side of the island, and it's a large island).
Next
They also kidnapped Claire and the baby so because there are fertility problems on the island(sorry for bad English, I'm from Belgium). So they could have kidnapped dannielle as well and helped her delivering the baby(alone is very difficult i guess). But then she escaped without baby and then she tried to protect herself from her hostiles(Ben and the gang). The only problem she couldn't get to her baby was the ****ing sonic fence. There she saw Ben and knew he was from the others.
Also when you kidnapped a baby after 2 weeks, the baby couldn't tell her name because it's a baby.;-)
so there must have been some contact between Ben and dannielle.
Ben then raised her and told her that her mother died on the island, after she gave birth. Just like all the other woman died after they gave birth.


sounds logical to me?
no?

greetz
from Belgium
leximan

You have a point there, but no woman ever gave birth on that island that we knoe of!!! All pregmant woman, inpreganated on that island died on their second trimester along with the baby! That's why the others kidnap children and babys... they (others) are on the verge of extintion!

(my english is not that good also, i'm from Portugal ;))

Makes sense to me.

Danielle was pregnant before she got to the islands. Her situation was similar to Claires.

Nothing Danielle has said has ever turned out to be false. She is believable until it does. We got confimation on her story from Ben saying Alex is her daughter. HEr story is what she said it was.
Title: Re: Ben and Danielle
Post by: Geronimo Jackson on May 29, 2007, 01:16:25 PM
i think it's logical that she didn't found any hatches cause they were underground (pearl, swan), under water(looking glass), behind a door buried under trees and bushes(medical station) and on another island(hydra), the only one's she could found was the flame and arrow(but this last one was on the other side of the island, and it's a large island).
Next
They also kidnapped Claire and the baby so because there are fertility problems on the island(sorry for bad English, I'm from Belgium). So they could have kidnapped dannielle as well and helped her delivering the baby(alone is very difficult i guess). But then she escaped without baby and then she tried to protect herself from her hostiles(Ben and the gang). The only problem she couldn't get to her baby was the ****ing sonic fence. There she saw Ben and knew he was from the others.
Also when you kidnapped a baby after 2 weeks, the baby couldn't tell her name because it's a baby.;-)
so there must have been some contact between Ben and dannielle.
Ben then raised her and told her that her mother died on the island, after she gave birth. Just like all the other woman died after they gave birth.


sounds logical to me?
no?

greetz
from Belgium
leximan

You have a point there, but no woman ever gave birth on that island that we knoe of!!! All pregmant woman, inpreganated on that island died on their second trimester along with the baby! That's why the others kidnap children and babys... they (others) are on the verge of extintion!

(my english is not that good also, i'm from Portugal ;))

Makes sense to me.

Danielle was pregnant before she got to the islands. Her situation was similar to Claires.

Nothing Danielle has said has ever turned out to be false. She is believable until it does. We got confimation on her story from Ben saying Alex is her daughter. HEr story is what she said it was.

As crazyas she is she has been correct on what she has said so far,still wonder if about why she killed her fellow shipmates. No one has had any disease yet.
Title: Re: Ben and Danielle
Post by: Sunflower on May 29, 2007, 01:31:34 PM
Yeah, I think Danielle may have killed her crew out of paranoia.  Other than that, she hasn't given us a reason or tptb haven't shown us a reason not to trust the crazy french lady
Title: Re: Ben and Danielle
Post by: *MaZ* on May 29, 2007, 03:48:59 PM
I find it very odd she roamed that island for 16 years and never bumbed into anyone...that being said, I don't think she knew Ben was the one who took her baby from her. If she did, he would have never made it to the hatch...she would've given it to him then and there!;)
Title: Re: Ben and Danielle
Post by: JBRam on May 29, 2007, 04:20:30 PM
I'm guessing that she was threatened not to come see her child or they would kill Alex... maybe in a note. Or maybe there was a face-to-face conversation.
Title: Re: Ben and Danielle
Post by: toadsage on May 29, 2007, 04:29:15 PM
maybe danielle has seen the others on the island. perhaps she saw them at some point and realized that they were better equiped to care for her child than she was, since she lives in a hole in the ground anyways.
Title: Re: Ben and Danielle
Post by: WhatThe on May 30, 2007, 02:10:40 PM
Since she knew he was one of them, why didn't she use him to get her daughter back when she caught him in the net?
She wanted her daughter back so bad she grabbed Aaron..
A lot of what Danielle says and does is suspect sometimes..
But I loved the reunion.. I wonder where that story is going to go next season.. A backstory would be great.


I think it's more about script error than not trusting Danielle...I also wondered why she didn't use Ben as leverage to get Alex back when she caught him, yet I ALSO wondered why she didn't use Claire as trade bait to get Alex back when she found HER lol. Afterall, the Others were out looking for Claire, calling her name...and instead, she knocks out Claire and drops her back off near the Losties' camp?...Only to return and kidnap Aaron? What the...??
Title: Re: Ben and Danielle
Post by: LostAndSeek on May 30, 2007, 02:13:57 PM
Since she knew he was one of them, why didn't she use him to get her daughter back when she caught him in the net?
She wanted her daughter back so bad she grabbed Aaron..
A lot of what Danielle says and does is suspect sometimes..
But I loved the reunion.. I wonder where that story is going to go next season.. A backstory would be great.


I think it's more about script error than not trusting Danielle...I also wondered why she didn't use Ben as leverage to get Alex back when she caught him, yet I ALSO wondered why she didn't use Claire as trade bait to get Alex back when she found HER lol. Afterall, the Others were out looking for Claire, calling her name...and instead, she knocks out Claire and drops her back off near the Losties' camp?...Only to return and kidnap Aaron? What the...??

I don't think she knew how to contact the Others back then. The Black Smoke led to the kidnapping of Aaron as then she thought she knew where they were.
Title: Re: Ben and Danielle
Post by: leximan on May 30, 2007, 02:16:50 PM
but when she was with others when she gave birth, why didn't she stayd whit the others and joined them, and talked to them like normal people:s
staying with her child and the others and giving her child a good place to grow up...
like ben told the losties, there the good guys....
Title: Re: Ben and Danielle
Post by: WhatThe on May 30, 2007, 02:17:46 PM
Since she knew he was one of them, why didn't she use him to get her daughter back when she caught him in the net?
She wanted her daughter back so bad she grabbed Aaron..
A lot of what Danielle says and does is suspect sometimes..
But I loved the reunion.. I wonder where that story is going to go next season.. A backstory would be great.


I think it's more about script error than not trusting Danielle...I also wondered why she didn't use Ben as leverage to get Alex back when she caught him, yet I ALSO wondered why she didn't use Claire as trade bait to get Alex back when she found HER lol. Afterall, the Others were out looking for Claire, calling her name...and instead, she knocks out Claire and drops her back off near the Losties' camp?...Only to return and kidnap Aaron? What the...??

I don't think she knew how to contact the Others back then. The Black Smoke led to the kidnapping of Aaron as then she thought she knew where they were.


Danielle herself started the black smoke...the smoke didn't lead to the kidnapping of Aaron, she started the black smoke after deciding to kidnap Aaron.

Even if you don't know how to contact them directly, it doesn't make sense to give up something/someone (Claire) who they obviously want and need and are out looking for, especially if you're willing to kidnap her newborn child a few weeks later.
Title: Re: Ben and Danielle
Post by: LostAndSeek on May 30, 2007, 02:19:09 PM
but when she was with others when she gave birth, why didn't she stayd whit the others and joined them, and talked to them like normal people:s
staying with her child and the others and giving her child a good place to grow up...
like ben told the losties, there the good guys....

They didn't invite her. They kidnapped Alex, remember?
Title: Re: Ben and Danielle
Post by: DirtyMaggieMae on June 17, 2007, 01:26:52 PM
I think there is a tie missing between Dharma and Danielle.  Now I know the timeline seems a bit off for this if we take Danielle's story at face value... but it's the thing about the ARMS that get me.  Here we have Danielle who crashed on the island with a SCIENCE TEAM 16 years ago.  After an excursion to the Black Rock they had to cut off man's arm, or he lost it somehow.  His name was "Montand" according to lostpedia.  Now who else do we know with a missing arm?  Is it safe to say Marvin Candle?  Are they the same man?  I know Rousseau says "they are all dead" on her radio message, but what if this Montand fellow wasn't all the way dead and brought back and ended up living with the others as Wickmund, Candle....

Again, timeline throws me off buy why have to armless fellows running around the island?
Title: Re: Ben and Danielle
Post by: LostAndSeek on June 17, 2007, 02:54:32 PM
I think there is a tie missing between Dharma and Danielle.  Now I know the timeline seems a bit off for this if we take Danielle's story at face value... but it's the thing about the ARMS that get me.  Here we have Danielle who crashed on the island with a SCIENCE TEAM 16 years ago.  After an excursion to the Black Rock they had to cut off man's arm, or he lost it somehow.  His name was "Montand" according to lostpedia.  Now who else do we know with a missing arm?  Is it safe to say Marvin Candle?  Are they the same man?  I know Rousseau says "they are all dead" on her radio message, but what if this Montand fellow wasn't all the way dead and brought back and ended up living with the others as Wickmund, Candle....

Again, timeline throws me off buy why have to armless fellows running around the island?

Yeah, I kinda think Danielle is Dharma as well. Her team was either arriving on the island or returning to it when the purge occurred and the Hostiles knocked out radio contact except for the radio tower numbers. They followed the numbers in instead of turning back and there you are.

It seems like a stretch to connect Montand with Candle, especially when Danielle thinks she killed her whole team, but hey, could be! I do think it's likely that bullet hole man in the Dharma pit was one of her team, shot by her.

Title: Re: Ben and Danielle
Post by: DirtyMaggieMae on June 17, 2007, 03:41:22 PM
True enough.  She was the one doing the shooting, not the gassing.  Think she found the same pit to dump him in though?  Or did the Others toss him in there if they found him on the island?
Title: Re: Ben and Danielle
Post by: LostAndSeek on June 17, 2007, 06:18:08 PM
True enough.  She was the one doing the shooting, not the gassing.  Think she found the same pit to dump him in though?  Or did the Others toss him in there if they found him on the island?

Dunno, we're already kinda far out on a limb.
Title: Re: Ben and Danielle
Post by: Tekkaman on June 24, 2007, 10:43:33 AM
Maybe Danielle is the young girl Ben was friends with when he was young.
Title: Re: Ben and Danielle
Post by: DirtyMaggieMae on July 30, 2007, 06:22:56 PM
Boy, it's good to go back and re-read old threads!  I just noticed this:

Yeah, I kinda think Danielle is Dharma as well. Her team was either arriving on the island or returning to it when the purge occurred and the Hostiles knocked out radio contact except for the radio tower numbers. They followed the numbers in instead of turning back and there you are.

It seems like a stretch to connect Montand with Candle, especially when Danielle thinks she killed her whole team, but hey, could be! I do think it's likely that bullet hole man in the Dharma pit was one of her team, shot by her.




Wasn't that fellow with the bullet hole wearing a Dharma jumpsuit?  We know that the Dharma folks were gassed, yet here is this one dude with a bullet hole.  And the only ones we know of that have died by bullets have been Rousseau's team.  So.... is this just TPTB saying DANIELLE IS DHARMA? ho ho ho ho....
Title: Re: Ben and Danielle
Post by: Nancy Drew on July 30, 2007, 06:45:12 PM
Boy, it's good to go back and re-read old threads!  I just noticed this:

Yeah, I kinda think Danielle is Dharma as well. Her team was either arriving on the island or returning to it when the purge occurred and the Hostiles knocked out radio contact except for the radio tower numbers. They followed the numbers in instead of turning back and there you are.

It seems like a stretch to connect Montand with Candle, especially when Danielle thinks she killed her whole team, but hey, could be! I do think it's likely that bullet hole man in the Dharma pit was one of her team, shot by her.




Wasn't that fellow with the bullet hole wearing a Dharma jumpsuit?  We know that the Dharma folks were gassed, yet here is this one dude with a bullet hole.  And the only ones we know of that have died by bullets have been Rousseau's team.  So.... is this just TPTB saying DANIELLE IS DHARMA? ho ho ho ho....

hmmmmm.............................

But we also know that the guy in the Swan with Kelvin shot himself--or so we were told.   Though the stains of that ordeal were on the ceiling, it could have been staged to look like he shot himself.
Title: Re: Ben and Danielle
Post by: DirtyMaggieMae on July 30, 2007, 08:45:46 PM
Kelvin did say that he only had 108 minutes to bury the guy.  Does that mean that he had just enough time to toss him in the pit?  I don't think we have seen a Radzinski grave marked anywhere, but I suppose with the little time allowed the big thing was just to get the stinker out of there.
Title: Re: Ben and Danielle
Post by: Nancy Drew on July 30, 2007, 10:01:05 PM
Kelvin did say that he only had 108 minutes to bury the guy.  Does that mean that he had just enough time to toss him in the pit?  I don't think we have seen a Radzinski grave marked anywhere, but I suppose with the little time allowed the big thing was just to get the stinker out of there.

I suppose it depends on the location of the grave and how far it is from the Swan.  It is near Jacob's cabin, but with all the walking around they've done, I have no idea who's where, with the exception of those on the beach.
Title: Re: Ben and Danielle
Post by: JBRam on July 30, 2007, 10:09:38 PM
Kelvin did say that he only had 108 minutes to bury the guy.  Does that mean that he had just enough time to toss him in the pit?  I don't think we have seen a Radzinski grave marked anywhere, but I suppose with the little time allowed the big thing was just to get the stinker out of there.
I like this idea... Hadn't thought of it, but sounds very plausible.
Title: Re: Ben and Danielle
Post by: LostAndSeek on July 30, 2007, 10:50:11 PM
Kelvin did say that he only had 108 minutes to bury the guy.  Does that mean that he had just enough time to toss him in the pit?  I don't think we have seen a Radzinski grave marked anywhere, but I suppose with the little time allowed the big thing was just to get the stinker out of there.

I've never really understood Kelvin's comment. Why can't he dig for 90 minutes, come push the button, go dig another 90 minutes, etc.? Till the job's properly done....
Title: Re: Ben and Danielle
Post by: pauinha6 on July 30, 2007, 11:49:15 PM
Kelvin did say that he only had 108 minutes to bury the guy.  Does that mean that he had just enough time to toss him in the pit?  I don't think we have seen a Radzinski grave marked anywhere, but I suppose with the little time allowed the big thing was just to get the stinker out of there.

I've never really understood Kelvin's comment. Why can't he dig for 90 minutes, come push the button, go dig another 90 minutes, etc.? Till the job's properly done....


I agree with LAS!
if Kelvin had to put the partner to the grave, he could had dig the grave for 160mins... go back, push the button(he had 20 mins to go back and get to the grave site again) then, he's have another 160 mins to finish up.....

but kelvins comment was more of a reality call to Des i guess... like, we can't go anywhere, cause we need to push this button every 180 minutes....