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Title: future walt
Post by: toadsage on May 25, 2007, 02:47:38 PM
just wondering, was that walt from the future? after all we know walt is special. how did he know where to find john? does walt know whats going to happen because hes already seen it.

(yes i know teenagers grow fast but why not find another actor who is simmilar looking? thats why i think hes from the future)
Title: Re: future walt
Post by: pauinha6 on May 25, 2007, 03:05:49 PM
well toad, i read somewhere that Walt from final ep is suposed to be 17yo Walt so... apparently yes, he is from the future.....

But they also say somewhere that THAT is NOt real walt, but smokie (or Jacob or whatever), it's ghost walt....

i dunno what to think...

He did say that Locke had work to do, and then he killed Naomi (YEY) but to keep them from calling help?

WHY NOT CALL SOMEONE ELSE THAT THE BOAT????

well, it wouldn't be Lost if they did, right?
Title: Re: future walt
Post by: Optimus J on May 25, 2007, 04:29:13 PM
I am starting to think that's Walt on the same time his father died, on the flash forward with only Jack on the funeral.
Title: Re: future walt
Post by: JMart on May 25, 2007, 05:12:57 PM
^ huh? your grammar confused me.. what were u trying to say?
Title: Re: future walt
Post by: mexicotime on May 29, 2007, 04:06:32 PM
I didn't think that was really Walt there with Locke. I figured that was just who Locke saw. Why it was Walt and not someone like Richard, I don't know yet.
Title: Re: future walt
Post by: JBRam on May 29, 2007, 04:12:47 PM
I think it was Jacob portraying himself as Walt. Or Smokey. Or both, if Jacob=Smokey.
Title: Re: future walt
Post by: Sunflower on May 29, 2007, 04:48:27 PM
I definetely think it was smokey...we heard the clicks and the whispers.
Title: Re: future walt
Post by: Maxor127 on May 30, 2007, 05:05:54 AM
I think it was smokey too...
Title: Re: future walt
Post by: WhatThe on May 30, 2007, 02:21:17 PM
I think it was actually Vincent barking at Locke...the fumes from the rotting corpses made Locke hallucinate lol.
Title: Re: future walt
Post by: LostAndSeek on May 30, 2007, 02:22:44 PM
I think it was actually Vincent barking at Locke...the fumes from the rotting corpses made Locke hallucinate lol.

 :D But wait, I read somewhere that Vincent is Smoky!!
Title: Re: future walt
Post by: WhatThe on May 30, 2007, 02:25:42 PM
I think it was actually Vincent barking at Locke...the fumes from the rotting corpses made Locke hallucinate lol.

 :D But wait, I read somewhere that Vincent is Smoky!!

He is...he's also Jacob. Pay attention! :D
Title: Re: future walt
Post by: LostAndSeek on May 30, 2007, 02:30:39 PM
I think it was actually Vincent barking at Locke...the fumes from the rotting corpses made Locke hallucinate lol.

 :D But wait, I read somewhere that Vincent is Smoky!!

He is...he's also Jacob. Pay attention! :D

Right! Vincent = Smokey = Jacob = Jack = Christian = Locke

Who am I forgetting now? It's hard to pay attention with all those voices in my head.
Title: Re: future walt
Post by: JBRam on May 30, 2007, 05:00:23 PM
I think it was actually Vincent barking at Locke...the fumes from the rotting corpses made Locke hallucinate lol.

 :D But wait, I read somewhere that Vincent is Smoky!!

He is...he's also Jacob. Pay attention! :D

Right! Vincent = Smokey = Jacob = Jack = Christian = Locke

Who am I forgetting now? It's hard to pay attention with all those voices in my head.
Vincent=Smokey=Jacob=Jack=Christian=Locke=Boone=Paulo=Michael=Dead=Kelvin=Radzinsky=Desmond=Programmer of Looking Glass Hatch=Charlie=Aaron.

:D :D
Title: Re: future walt
Post by: laklost on May 31, 2007, 12:49:27 AM
 ??? ??? ???

I think I'll stop watching now. :-\ :-*
Title: Re: future walt
Post by: this is some crazy stuff on May 31, 2007, 01:13:43 AM
I love how my theory of 

Vincent=Smokie gets shut down so easily when there is so many people believing in a crazy out of this world multi dimensional world.
Title: Re: future walt
Post by: laklost on May 31, 2007, 01:22:25 AM
Look at it this way, if the multi-dimension thing is right, Vincent probably IS Smokey -- and we'll all win!
Title: Re: future walt
Post by: LostAndSeek on May 31, 2007, 10:00:35 AM
??? ??? ???

I think I'll stop watching now. :-\ :-*

NOOOOOOOOO
Title: Re: future walt
Post by: HanginWithMrEko on June 01, 2007, 02:28:16 PM
I know we got a glimpse of Walt, but can they really bring him back to the island now? He's significantly older and will be when season 4 starts up...

Does this just lead him to being in flash forwards?
Title: Re: future walt
Post by: LostAndSeek on June 01, 2007, 03:01:13 PM
I know we got a glimpse of Walt, but can they really bring him back to the island now? He's significantly older and will be when season 4 starts up...

Does this just lead him to being in flash forwards?

I think the flash forward to 2007 will be the present of next season. If so, he's exactly the right age!
Title: Re: future walt
Post by: Geronimo Jackson on June 01, 2007, 08:51:25 PM
well toad, i read somewhere that Walt from final ep is suposed to be 17yo Walt so... apparently yes, he is from the future.....

But they also say somewhere that THAT is NOt real walt, but smokie (or Jacob or whatever), it's ghost walt....

i dunno what to think...

He did say that Locke had work to do, and then he killed Naomi (YEY) but to keep them from calling help?

WHY NOT CALL SOMEONE ELSE THAT THE BOAT????

well, it wouldn't be Lost if they did, right?

Walt we know from what the late Mrs.Klugh said could transform himself from place to place.He also like Locke understood the island. Was he conjured up by smokey?
Title: Re: future walt
Post by: LostAndSeek on June 01, 2007, 09:14:10 PM


Walt we know from what the late Mrs.Klugh said could transform himself from place to place.He also like Locke understood the island. Was he conjured up by smokey?

I remember Mrs. Klugh asking Michael something like: Does Walt ever show up places that he can't be? I'm not sure if he can teleport, send forth an astral representative, or if Smokey just likes him, and so takes on his appearance. Or maybe he thought Walt was just an appropriate avatar to talk to John. Neither Christian nor Yemi would have been as effective.
Title: Re: future walt
Post by: Geronimo Jackson on June 01, 2007, 09:16:33 PM


Walt we know from what the late Mrs.Klugh said could transform himself from place to place.He also like Locke understood the island. Was he conjured up by smokey?

I remember Mrs. Klugh asking Michael something like: Does Walt ever show up places that he can't be? I'm not sure if he can teleport, send forth an astral representative, or if Smokey just likes him, and so takes on his appearance. Or maybe he thought Walt was just an appropriate avatar to talk to John. Neither Christian nor Yemi would have been as effective.


True alll valid points but we do know from season one that Walt does have special powers and Locke knew it too., backgammon games.
Title: Re: future walt
Post by: LostAndSeek on June 01, 2007, 09:18:13 PM


True alll valid points but we do know from season one that Walt does have special powers and Locke knew it too., backgammon games.

Oh yeah, he does. I'm just not sure that teleportation is one of them.
Title: Re: future walt
Post by: Geronimo Jackson on June 01, 2007, 09:19:45 PM


True alll valid points but we do know from season one that Walt does have special powers and Locke knew it too., backgammon games.

Oh yeah, he does. I'm just not sure that teleportation is one of them.

I htink so,Shannon saw him as did Sayid Smokey usually takes on forms of dead people.
Title: Re: future walt
Post by: LostAndSeek on June 01, 2007, 09:25:16 PM


True alll valid points but we do know from season one that Walt does have special powers and Locke knew it too., backgammon games.

Oh yeah, he does. I'm just not sure that teleportation is one of them.

I htink so,Shannon saw him as did Sayid Smokey usually takes on forms of dead people.

True, but Walt is special.... Hmmm... I wonder if Walt was able to speak to Jacob. It'd explain Ben's comment about Walt being more difficult than expected and help explain why Ben was willing to let them leave the island.

Title: Re: future walt
Post by: Geronimo Jackson on June 01, 2007, 10:19:29 PM


True alll valid points but we do know from season one that Walt does have special powers and Locke knew it too., backgammon games.

Oh yeah, he does. I'm just not sure that teleportation is one of them.

I htink so,Shannon saw him as did Sayid Smokey usually takes on forms of dead people.

True, but Walt is special.... Hmmm... I wonder if Walt was able to speak to Jacob. It'd explain Ben's comment about Walt being more difficult than expected and help explain why Ben was willing to let them leave the island.



I doubt if Ben would  take Walt to Jacob he was scared to take Locke there.But mrs.Klug knew too much; whatever she knew she didn't want Locke to find out and that is why she had patchy kill he rather than be a prisoner.So need a backstory on Walt and Mrs Klugh.
Title: Re: future walt
Post by: DirtyMaggieMae on June 05, 2007, 12:50:08 PM
I agree that it was real Walt projecting himself from the future.  I believe it was Micheal in that casket and Walt wasn't there because at that time he sent himself to Locke to change the future and doing so save his dad.
Title: Re: future walt
Post by: Halsfire on June 05, 2007, 08:18:16 PM
I agree that it was real Walt projecting himself from the future.  I believe it was Micheal in that casket and Walt wasn't there because at that time he sent himself to Locke to change the future and doing so save his dad.
Hm....I never though of that. It's possible and would make for an interesting story...
Title: Re: future walt
Post by: LouE68 on June 06, 2007, 03:47:24 AM
I think it was Walt teleporting his image like he did in Season 1. Season 1 he ws speaking reverse, hadn't quite perfected it yet. Now he has had time to practice after killing Michael and being with the others at the Temple....just my opinion....
Title: Re: future walt
Post by: Geronimo Jackson on June 06, 2007, 02:33:04 PM
I think it was Walt teleporting his image like he did in Season 1. Season 1 he ws speaking reverse, hadn't quite perfected it yet. Now he has had time to practice after killing Michael and being with the others at the Temple....just my opinion....

 agree agree agree said similar earlier on this thread
Title: Re: future walt
Post by: DirtyMaggieMae on June 06, 2007, 05:38:13 PM
oooh!  I like it!  I never considered his talking backwards before vs. forwards now.  Both were important messages- wasn't the first one saying something about 'don't press the button the button is bad'
Title: Re: future walt
Post by: matahari on June 06, 2007, 06:12:41 PM
After being put in room #23 Walt is no longer a "fool who is enslaved by time and space" he is now capable of escaping his current reality and can thus travel to other dimensions of time and space. Hence 17 y.o. Walt.
Title: Re: future walt
Post by: musepsycho on June 17, 2007, 02:26:37 PM
I think it was Walt teleporting his image like he did in Season 1. Season 1 he ws speaking reverse, hadn't quite perfected it yet. Now he has had time to practice after killing Michael and being with the others at the Temple....just my opinion....

 agree agree agree said similar earlier on this thread

The producers said in the 'Answers' recap episode that this appearance of Walt was if fact Smokey. I think it was Smokey who talked to Locke as well. But it's really confusing that we've had clues of Walt's paranormal abilities, but not of what they're actually about...
Title: Re: future walt
Post by: DirtyMaggieMae on June 17, 2007, 03:42:50 PM
I don't think this Walt was smokie at all.  Why would he age him?  He wouldn't know what to make him look like first of all.  There is no point to having him be older, I think that would just be more confusing for Locke.  IMO it is Walt projecting himself back through time to send a message to Locke.
Title: Re: future walt
Post by: LostAndSeek on June 17, 2007, 06:30:06 PM
I don't think this Walt was smokie at all.  Why would he age him?  He wouldn't know what to make him look like first of all.  There is no point to having him be older, I think that would just be more confusing for Locke.  IMO it is Walt projecting himself back through time to send a message to Locke.

I'm just guessin' here, but my 2 cents. The first appearance of Walt in Shannon's tent was just after he was taken off the raft. I'm thinkin' he dove in the water, to try to get back to Michael. He's in distress, wants to be anywhere but where he is and he projects an image back to the last person he had contact with on the island. Explains why the image was all wet.

The second appearance (the one that led Shannon into Ana's sights) could be more of the same depending on what the Others were doing to him at the time, or could be Smokey. I can't even speculate.

I think the third appearance is Smokey, putting John to work. As for the age difference, could be we're supposed to overlook the fact that the actor is older. Remember that the vast majority of folks who watch the show won't have looked at a picture of Walt in about a year. And they were careful not to give us any way of discerning Walt's height. Or it could be Smokey's best guess at what Walt looks like, given it doesn't have Walt's body to work with.



Title: Re: future walt
Post by: DirtyMaggieMae on June 17, 2007, 11:37:35 PM
All right, I don't know if this is a spoiler or a rumor but I'll throw a tag on it anyhow
Spoiler
I heard somewhere that there was going to be casting for a younger Walt, so the writers want to keep young and old Walt separate.

Sorry, but I still think it was really Walt that Locke saw.  I think all the other times were Smokie.  By the pit is the only time that Walt speaks forwards and also tells Locke he has important things to do.  All the other times Walt was used to lure someone to danger, like smokie has been known to do.
Title: Re: future walt
Post by: LouE68 on August 19, 2007, 01:42:38 AM
I think it was Walt teleporting his image like he did in Season 1. Season 1 he ws speaking reverse, hadn't quite perfected it yet. Now he has had time to practice after killing Michael and being with the others at the Temple....just my opinion....

 agree agree agree said similar earlier on this thread
Whooo Hoo, you agree with me!!!
Title: Re: future walt
Post by: DirtyMaggieMae on August 31, 2007, 02:21:51 PM
Smokie seems to appear to only lead the losties into dangerous situations.  Walt was not leading Locke into any danger. Especially if the Walt we saw was trying to help Locke remain on the island.  I think smokie is more of a 'territorial beast' and would WANT people off his island. 
Title: Re: future walt
Post by: Nancy Drew on August 31, 2007, 02:26:52 PM
But one thing we have to remember about Smokie and Locke is that when Locke looked "into" Smokie he stated afterward that "I looked into the heart of the island and it was beautiful".  Smokie may not have a "bad" thing in store for Locke.  Everyone else was scared of Smokie and Locke really wasn't.  He wanted Jack and the rest to let go of him because he wasn't afraid of Smokie doing him harm when he was being pulled down that hole.

Title: Re: future walt
Post by: LostAndSeek on August 31, 2007, 02:30:48 PM
Yah, when/if you rewatch Season 1 there are very strong indications that Locke is hearing voices. If so, presumably he thinks these are the voices of the island and Smokey yet another manifestation of same. I'm with the Ghost Pit Walt = Smokey crowd.
Title: Re: future walt
Post by: DirtyMaggieMae on August 31, 2007, 02:34:36 PM
But one thing we have to remember about Smokie and Locke is that when Locke looked "into" Smokie he stated afterward that "I looked into the heart of the island and it was beautiful".  Smokie may not have a "bad" thing in store for Locke.  Everyone else was scared of Smokie and Locke really wasn't.  He wanted Jack and the rest to let go of him because he wasn't afraid of Smokie doing him harm when he was being pulled down that hole.



Wow.  Good call.  You caused me to fumble in my belief!  I'm still not ready to say that that was smokie though, I think walt does have the ability to "appear places he shouldn't be" that had to have been brought up for a reason.  So I still say it was walt!  But very convincing arguments, guys!  I like going back through these old threads.
Title: Re: future walt
Post by: Nancy Drew on August 31, 2007, 02:38:02 PM
Not only that, but Ben made the comment to Locke after shooting him that he'd better hope Jacob helped him out of this................I'm not on the bandwagon yet that Jacob and Smokie are related in some way, but this would be a major clue in pointing in that direction IF Smokie was indeed Walt in that appearance.
Title: Re: future walt
Post by: DirtyMaggieMae on August 31, 2007, 02:40:04 PM
You know what, Amy?  I'm just not going to read your posts anymore because they are really good ideas that keep contradicting me!!!
Title: Re: future walt
Post by: Nancy Drew on August 31, 2007, 02:42:49 PM
You know what, Amy?  I'm just not going to read your posts anymore because they are really good ideas that keep contradicting me!!!

ROFL!!!  I'm sorry :-[ 

You know, they really aren't good ideas..........................LOL ;D
Title: Re: future walt
Post by: T Mack on December 14, 2007, 05:10:33 PM
All very interesting comments but hasn't Smokie only "occupied" the bodies of dead folks and animals? Some examples.

-Jack's Dad
-Yemi (Eko's brother)
-The ruthless African thugs that Eko killed
-Kate's horse
-polar bears, wild boards, etc.

It seems to me that this Walt was the real Walt, projecting himself through time which is what Ms. Klugh and the Others are so afraid of.
Title: Re: future walt
Post by: DirtyMaggieMae on December 14, 2007, 10:38:15 PM
good to see you back, T Mac!  I think that it was walt, and he was projecting from the future trying to help out Locke, because maybe in Walts original version of the future, Naomi made the call instead of Jack (which walt would have no way of knowing Jack would call...) I dunno.  But I know I likes it!
Title: Re: future walt
Post by: T Mack on December 17, 2007, 04:38:49 PM
good to see you back, T Mac! 

Thanks!  Can't wait for the season to get started!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: future walt
Post by: LouE68 on December 21, 2007, 09:01:09 PM
Kate's horse wasn't smokie, in my opinion, Sawyer saw it too...polar bears are real, and they have learned they were tested on by Dharma, OMG I need to find the episode with the wild boards!!!! are the solid or plywood?
....lol...as for the wild boars, those are real too, umm they ate a few...
Title: Re: future walt
Post by: LostAndSeek on December 22, 2007, 09:32:03 PM
Kate's horse wasn't smokie, in my opinion, Sawyer saw it too...polar bears are real, and they have learned they were tested on by Dharma, OMG I need to find the episode with the wild boards!!!! are the solid or plywood?
....lol...as for the wild boars, those are real too, umm they ate a few...

Multiple people have seen Smokie. So if Smokie can manifest itself as Christian, Walt, a horse, whatever, there's no reason to think multiple people can't see them as well. It just hasn't happened very often yet.
Title: Re: future walt
Post by: LouE68 on December 22, 2007, 09:56:06 PM
so the boars that they killed and ate? smokie can be eaten?

but I'm in the belief that seeing smokie is one thing...seeing Yemi, Christian is another...they are in my opinion, their heads....
Title: Re: future walt
Post by: DirtyMaggieMae on December 23, 2007, 05:38:31 PM
not the boars as a whole, but i think he means that one that sawyer stared down.  But...I don't personally  believe that that was smokie.  It was more for personal reflection purposes, like the horse, so i think it was more of an island thing...
Title: Re: future walt
Post by: LouE68 on December 23, 2007, 08:07:49 PM
not the boars as a whole, but i think he means that one that sawyer stared down.  But...I don't personally  believe that that was smokie.  It was more for personal reflection purposes, like the horse, so i think it was more of an island thing...
but is it really an island thing, or just a people thing...people reflect on things in any place...oh and the cat...lol
Title: Re: future walt
Post by: DirtyMaggieMae on January 14, 2008, 11:55:50 PM
OK.  So i'm thinking that there IS  time loop happening on the island.  You know the mystery skull with the hole in it in the pit?  Well.  I'm thinking that in one timeline Locke actually DID kill himself, therefore...Naomi was still alive and chaos ensues.  Walt trys to fix that, that is why he knows to appear to Locke before he kills himself in this time loop so that he can try to stop the call from being made.  Jack wants to go back, possibly in yet another time loop and never make the call.  God.  I'm so friggin good.
Title: Re: future walt
Post by: LouE68 on January 15, 2008, 12:09:41 AM
but didnt the hole in head skull wear a dharma uniform?
Title: Re: future walt
Post by: DirtyMaggieMae on January 15, 2008, 08:37:25 PM
Yeah. SO.  Locke was DHARMA, you didn't know that?! 


fun spoiler!
Title: Re: future walt
Post by: LouE68 on January 15, 2008, 08:53:52 PM
Yeah. SO.  Locke was DHARMA, you didn't know that?! 


fun spoiler!
ok......lol....
Title: Re: future walt
Post by: LostinLock on June 01, 2008, 11:52:14 PM
Yeah, now that season four is finished let us look back at this.  Does Walt have a connection with the island can he actually go back there by telepathy or is it just an image that appeared to locke.

We have seen Walt and he is off the island with his grandmother.  he made it off the island, but does the island have a hold on him.  we found out he hated his father for what he did to libby and anna.

just a thought here and now that we have seen the future...
Title: Re: future walt
Post by: matahari on June 02, 2008, 12:57:01 AM
After being put in room #23 Walt is no longer a "fool who is enslaved by time and space" he is now capable of escaping his current reality and can thus travel to other dimensions of time and space. Hence 17 y.o. Walt.

damn, I'm good. Possibly a post-whore but I've heard worse in my lifetime. Walt is special and has exponential  opportunities.
Title: Re: future walt
Post by: laklost on June 05, 2008, 05:32:03 PM
After being put in room #23 Walt is no longer a "fool who is enslaved by time and space" he is now capable of escaping his current reality and can thus travel to other dimensions of time and space. Hence 17 y.o. Walt.

damn, I'm good. Possibly a post-whore but I've heard worse in my lifetime. Walt is special and has exponential  opportunities.


I LIKE IT!
Title: Re: future walt
Post by: LostinLock on June 07, 2008, 02:19:21 PM
After being put in room #23 Walt is no longer a "fool who is enslaved by time and space" he is now capable of escaping his current reality and can thus travel to other dimensions of time and space. Hence 17 y.o. Walt.

damn, I'm good. Possibly a post-whore but I've heard worse in my lifetime. Walt is special and has exponential  opportunities.


I LIKE IT!

When was Walt in room 23?  Do we know that?  See that is one of the things that we didn't get from Michael's off island time.  Walt wanted nothing to do with Michael because of what he did to Libby and Anna.  Never did they expose what Walt went through.  So the door is open for Walt to want to come back to the island, but if he doesn't i just want to know what they asked him.  The devil lies in the details on this one.
Title: Re: future walt
Post by: laklost on June 07, 2008, 09:23:02 PM
It was pretty much implied in "Three Minutes" in Season Two that Walt would need to go back to the "room" if he didn't obey Ms. Klugh's orders.  A lot of people felt that when they showed Karl in Room 23 we were seeing what Walt had experienced.  I'm not sure how deep that brainwashing affected either Karl or Walt.  I think the reveal was more that the Others were up to that kind of social experimenting.  And I repeat, the Others, not Dharma.
Title: Re: future walt
Post by: LostAndSeek on June 08, 2008, 09:38:44 AM
Also, in one of the mobisodes, it's strongly implied that Walt is in Room 23 and apparently in distress. There are a lot of dead birds just outside the room. So it seems a pretty safe assumption.
Title: Re: future walt
Post by: LostinLock on June 08, 2008, 10:30:58 AM
Thank you both for the update on Walt, I guess I am going to have to go back and watch that again.  I thought they were questioning him and not trying to brainwash him.  As Karl was disliked by Ben for his affections towards Alex.

As for taking Walt I thought it was for his abilities.  Again, not seeing either of these situation as a reason to brainwash anyone. 

but I have been wrong before...again thanks I will sit back and review..  ???
Title: Re: future walt
Post by: JBRam on June 08, 2008, 10:08:37 PM
I think the room was used as a punishment, rather than attempting to brainwash. Many cults don't actually attempt to brainwash, just to show the people the "truth." Try going to a fundamental Baptist college such as BJU and not get "brainwashed" at least a little bit.
Title: Re: future walt
Post by: laklost on June 08, 2008, 11:20:00 PM
I think the room was used as a punishment, rather than attempting to brainwash. Many cults don't actually attempt to brainwash, just to show the people the "truth." Try going to a fundamental Baptist college such as BJU and not get "brainwashed" at least a little bit.

Whoa, there big fella.  Brainwashing is not the same as teaching.  Teachings that people later reject was not brainwashing.  What was happening in Room 23 or Clockwork Orange IS brainwashing.
Title: Re: future walt
Post by: JBRam on June 09, 2008, 12:02:37 AM
I think the room was used as a punishment, rather than attempting to brainwash. Many cults don't actually attempt to brainwash, just to show the people the "truth." Try going to a fundamental Baptist college such as BJU and not get "brainwashed" at least a little bit.

Whoa, there big fella.  Brainwashing is not the same as teaching.  Teachings that people later reject was not brainwashing.  What was happening in Room 23 or Clockwork Orange IS brainwashing.
I'm not talking about the teaching... I was there (not for long), so I know what I'm talking about. My family uses repetition during debates (they're really bad at debating) at an attempt to brainwash.

(Not condemning the religion, nor calling it a cult even though it sounded like that)
Title: Re: future walt
Post by: LostinLock on June 14, 2008, 08:01:27 AM
If I remember Clockwork Orange was behavior modification for the bad boy and to me was perceived as a punishiment.

room 23 appeared to be placing Karl in behavior modification and as punishment for his apparent affection towards Alex.

So if Walt was thrown in there, then he was p;erhaps not behaving or responding to them as they wished.  Also since we never saw what he was exposed to in that room, we can jump to the conclusion that he was watching the same "video".
Title: Re: future walt
Post by: JBRam on June 14, 2008, 01:13:39 PM
If I remember Clockwork Orange was behavior modification for the bad boy and to me was perceived as a punishiment.

room 23 appeared to be placing Karl in behavior modification and as punishment for his apparent affection towards Alex.

So if Walt was thrown in there, then he was p;erhaps not behaving or responding to them as they wished.  Also since we never saw what he was exposed to in that room, we can jump to the conclusion that he was watching the same "video".
I thought it was for running away from the cage.

And that the cage might have been because of his affection for Alex.

And CAN we jump to that conclusion? Why would they show him a video like that? I think the vid would be tuned to match his psychological profile.
Title: Re: future walt
Post by: LostinLock on June 14, 2008, 07:40:59 PM
If I remember Clockwork Orange was behavior modification for the bad boy and to me was perceived as a punishiment.

room 23 appeared to be placing Karl in behavior modification and as punishment for his apparent affection towards Alex.

So if Walt was thrown in there, then he was p;erhaps not behaving or responding to them as they wished.  Also since we never saw what he was exposed to in that room, we can jump to the conclusion that he was watching the same "video".
I thought it was for running away from the cage.

And that the cage might have been because of his affection for Alex.

And CAN we jump to that conclusion? Why would they show him a video like that? I think the vid would be tuned to match his psychological profile.

JB that should have been a question mark. No we can't assume he was watching the same video... as I am in agreement with you that it would be tuned to him.  But I guess we may never have answers to stuff like that.  Karl is dead maybe the will revisit it, but they have had some issues with continuity on some things. Or maybe it was done on purpose.

None the less the point is simple our friend Walt will have to share that wth us soon, hopefully.

Title: Re: future walt
Post by: Jungle Otter on June 19, 2008, 02:38:23 PM
They did run tests on Walt - not sure if it was Room 23 (or Room 42-where they study the meaning of life)  ;)

Walt can think of something and bring it to him or make it happen. I'm sure if he wanted to see the island - he could find it which means that he could be instrumental in getting the Oceanic 6 back to the island since Locke is now dead. Also the question remains - did Walt get a visit from Jeremy Bentham??
Title: Re: future walt
Post by: CastawayCayley on June 19, 2008, 03:24:41 PM
or Room 42-where they study the meaning of life
As soon as they find out what the question was. ;)

Walt can think of something and bring it to him or make it happen. I'm sure if he wanted to see the island - he could find it which means that he could be instrumental in getting the Oceanic 6 back to the island since Locke is now dead. Also the question remains - did Walt get a visit from Jeremy Bentham??

well, yeah, according to what he said to Hurley at SRMHI. Or do you think he only saw a vision of Locke or was lying about it?
Title: Re: future walt
Post by: Jungle Otter on June 19, 2008, 03:32:16 PM

well, yeah, according to what he said to Hurley at SRMHI. Or do you think he only saw a vision of Locke or was lying about it?
Oh forgot about that - I doubt he was lying. Hmmmm.......since he has before, he also probably talked to Locke on the island...
Title: Re: future walt
Post by: LostinLock on June 20, 2008, 10:07:57 PM
I thought he said that he came to visit him and the rest of them didn't.  If he was off the island and now dead perhaps he did physically visit him
Title: Re: future walt
Post by: matahari on October 12, 2008, 10:10:45 PM
If I remember Clockwork Orange was behavior modification for the bad boy and to me was perceived as a punishiment.

room 23 appeared to be placing Karl in behavior modification and as punishment for his apparent affection towards Alex.

So if Walt was thrown in there, then he was p;erhaps not behaving or responding to them as they wished.  Also since we never saw what he was exposed to in that room, we can jump to the conclusion that he was watching the same "video".
I thought it was for running away from the cage.

And that the cage might have been because of his affection for Alex.


And CAN we jump to that conclusion? Why would they show him a video like that? I think the vid would be tuned to match his psychological profile.

JB that should have been a question mark. No we can't assume he was watching the same video... as I am in agreement with you that it would be tuned to him.  But I guess we may never have answers to stuff like that.  Karl is dead maybe the will revisit it, but they have had some issues with continuity on some things. Or maybe it was done on purpose.

None the less the point is simple our friend Walt will have to share that wth us soon, hopefully.




I agree that Karl & Walt's treatment was some sort of experimental psychology, it could have been modified to fit their behavior. In season 2(or 3), when Michael follows after Walt to rescue him, and is trapped by the Others, Mrs. Klugh asks if Walt wants to back into "the room." Walt protests. It seemed logical that we could jump to the conclusion that Walt was in a room like #23.

For the record, "Behavior modification" is a great term.
Title: Re: future walt
Post by: LostinLock on October 13, 2008, 08:53:25 PM
I do hope we get a flashback of what happened to Walt.... it would make sense.  As they have showed him in the montage for season five, but that was when he was visiting Hurley.

Title: Re: future walt
Post by: Jungle Otter on October 14, 2008, 12:15:15 PM
Perhaps, using his mind, Walt was making the tape run backward and getting the true message of the island....

I would like to see a flashback as well...
Title: Re: future walt
Post by: LostinLock on October 14, 2008, 07:24:32 PM
Perhaps, using his mind, Walt was making the tape run backward and getting the true message of the island....

I would like to see a flashback as well...

Well, hopefully we will get one... soon enough
Title: Re: future walt
Post by: matahari on October 22, 2008, 03:17:55 AM
I think what we're going to get is a mix of the two. We aren't going to know when it is anymore. NOT that we ever did! We're going to be confused by the writers as to the actual temporal relationship of events that occur on the show. Again, nothing new. However, I do believe that the writers will concoct a new way of doing "flashbacks" and "flashforwards." Only fools are enslaved by time and space. Right?