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Episode Discussion (Spoiler Free) => Season 3 => Episode 3x22 => Topic started by: Nancy Drew on May 24, 2007, 08:29:21 PM

Title: Good Vibrations
Post by: Nancy Drew on May 24, 2007, 08:29:21 PM
When Charlie was told that the code to the jamming equipment was Good Vibrations on the key pad, the gal also explained that it was programmed by a musician.  Are we finally getting some answers on the whole Geronimo Jackson question?  Was the record in the Swan something to play when you needed a code to unlock something in the technology of Dharma?

What do you think?
Title: Re: Good Vibrations
Post by: JBRam on May 24, 2007, 08:31:15 PM
Umm... I'd say no.

That doesn't really make sense. I think it was a coincidence. A really cool coincidence which made Charlie the only one on the island able to get the code. :D
Title: Re: Good Vibrations
Post by: kkehoe5 on May 24, 2007, 10:45:29 PM
And maybe the dome of psychic energy that prevents things from entering or the island being visible has something to do with vibrating at a certain frequancy.
Title: Re: Good Vibrations
Post by: Nancy Drew on May 24, 2007, 10:45:57 PM
I don't know--it has to tie in somewhere.  We've been left wondering what Geronimo Jackson has to do with being on the island, and there have been several references to the band, especially the references on that radio station that Sayid picked up on the radio.
Title: Re: Good Vibrations
Post by: Ladybug on May 25, 2007, 12:35:49 PM
Umm... I'd say no.

That doesn't really make sense. I think it was a coincidence. A really cool coincidence which made Charlie the only one on the island able to get the code. :D
i'm with you jb.  charlie was the only one (probably) that could have figured out the keys to make "good vibrations"
Title: Re: Good Vibrations
Post by: puff6962 on May 25, 2007, 01:07:18 PM
play 4815162342 on a keypad and see what you get.
Title: Re: Good Vibrations
Post by: Ladybug on May 25, 2007, 01:13:48 PM
play 4815162342 on a keypad and see what you get.
some old lady in spokane washington?
Title: Re: Good Vibrations
Post by: puff6962 on May 25, 2007, 01:18:59 PM
that would suck if you had that number.  na, i meant the tune that you get.
Title: Re: Good Vibrations
Post by: Nancy Drew on May 25, 2007, 01:28:11 PM
I agree that Charlie was the only one NOW able to figure it out, but that's not what this thread is about!  Charlie was told that a long time ago, when the hatch first became operational, that code was programmed by a musician that was there on the island.  I am speculating that that musician was Geronimo Jackson!!
Title: Re: Good Vibrations
Post by: Nancy Drew on May 25, 2007, 04:40:41 PM
Just some interesting facts that I thought would help me prove what I am trying to get at here:

1.  Charlie's middle name is "Hieronymus", a foreign variant of the name "Geronimo".

2.  Producers Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse seemed to suggest that the band was real. "They're a band not a lot of people have heard about. They just pressed one very obscure album in the mid to late '70s".  (I relize that by stating "pressed" they probably mean recorded, and I understand this is vinyl records we are talking about, but saying "pressed" sounds a bit odd to me when most people refer to it as "recorded")

3.  Their only album was called Magna Carta.  In the 1200's the Magna Carta was drawn up to give the King's subjects rights.  It was and is the basis of democracy.
Title: Re: Good Vibrations
Post by: Holland34 on May 25, 2007, 05:03:29 PM
play 4815162342 on a keypad and see what you get.
some old lady in spokane washington?

That was truly funny.  Well played.
Title: Re: Good Vibrations
Post by: DirtyMaggieMae on May 25, 2007, 06:18:18 PM
I'm on the Geronimo Jackson train with you ND!  Unless the band is just a sick inside joke, it has to pertain to Dharma somehow.  We have had SEVERAL references to the band: Hurley saw the album with his friend in the music shop, Hurley found the record in the Swan, Eddie (the agent at the pot farm) had his Geronimo Jackson t-shirt on, another dude at the pot farm commented on Geronimo Jackson and Eddie said that his dad was a fan.  Did I miss any?  Not to mention when the Hanso Foundation number was available, the foreign announcer clearly said "Geronimo Jackson" amid his talk.  I think GJ goes a little deeper than  an egg. 

And you don't have to be an ordained musician to make a code out of a song.  But the fact that Bonnie stated "it was programmed by a musician" means that it was programmed by someone who's life's work was music.  I think this ties into why we have been hearing so much about Geronimo Jackson.   
Title: Re: Good Vibrations
Post by: Ladybug on May 25, 2007, 06:19:15 PM
play 4815162342 on a keypad and see what you get.
some old lady in spokane washington?

That was truly funny.  Well played.
thanks.  i try.
Title: Re: Good Vibrations
Post by: Nancy Drew on May 25, 2007, 06:23:15 PM
I know this isn't dead-on, but there was something else rather interesting that I found today in some Lost info I was reading.  The guy who started Geronimo Jackson was named Keith Strutter.  Then we just found out that the DS on Charlie's ring stood for Dexter Stratton.  Strutter/Stratton--it's a little too close for me to just chalk it up as coincidence.
Title: Re: Good Vibrations
Post by: psychoag98 on May 25, 2007, 06:29:47 PM
When the blonde hatchie started saying the code, I swear she started with "545", yet when Charlie pushed the buttons, he started with what looked like "515" or "595", definitely not "545".  Am I imagining this?  Also, how did he know which buttons were which tones right off the bat without making a few mistakes?  Creative license to save time by the writers?
Title: Re: Good Vibrations
Post by: JMart on May 25, 2007, 06:32:35 PM
^ exactly what i thought.. how woul dhe know the 3 made that specific tone.. u feel me?
Title: Re: Good Vibrations
Post by: Nancy Drew on May 25, 2007, 06:37:56 PM
Charlie started to write down the code, so he knew what it started with anyway.  That's how I figured he knew where to start.
Title: Re: Good Vibrations
Post by: psychoag98 on May 25, 2007, 06:45:11 PM
Maybe so, but he didn't put actually press the same numbers that he started to write down.

That, and if it were a phone dial with the standard phone tones and he had to play Mary Had a Little Lamb or something, I could see it, but with somewhere around 16 buttons and no real way to know which ones made which tones (although it could be assumed they were sequential) it still seems he would have made at least one error...
Title: Re: Good Vibrations
Post by: Nancy Drew on May 25, 2007, 06:50:20 PM
I have to watch that part again, but she was describing to Charlie how to do it.  Until I watch it again, I am leaving it at that.
Title: Re: Good Vibrations
Post by: DirtyMaggieMae on July 28, 2007, 07:10:37 PM
This is what lostpedia says about it:

The incomplete numerical sequence dictated by Bonnie is 5-4-5-8-7-7-5-5-4-3-7-7-6-1-1-3. However, the audio of this scene does not match the pattern of the changes of notes as given by Bonnie, nor does it match the sequence of note-changes shown on the video of the scene. For example in the audio, the second and third notes are different, yet the video shows Charlie pressing the same note (5). The melodic code heard in the episode is in C-Major, and the 19 specific notes of the code as played by Charlie are: A G A C C D D F G G G F A A G F C D C.

But anyhow, about the TOPIC.

Interesting find about Stratton/Strutter, Amy.  Lots of Rock stars change their names, or the spelling of their real names.  Not saying this was the same guy because Dexter Stratton seemed to be Charlie's mom's dad's dad or something like that?  So too old.  But it would be neat if there was a family tie in there somewhere! 

I would like to see more musical code in the dharma hatches.  More specifically related to Geronimo Jackson.  If the musician programmed one thing maybe he programmed another?  Anyhow, my impression was that the musician in question set up the security code which was after the purge?  So was it instructions from Ben directly?  Is the musician still alive then, and on the island?  I'd hope so....!
Title: Re: Good Vibrations
Post by: Nancy Drew on July 30, 2007, 04:56:55 PM
I just don't think that they would have mentioned the thing being programmed by a musician being on the island if we weren't supposed to connect it to Geronimo Jackson.   It has been a mystery since we first the album in the Swan and it feels like they are wanting us to keep remembering it with bringing up this little tid-bit of info.  I wonder if it was supposed to be a signal--like Enter 77--warning the other hatches of a breach of security??
Title: Re: Good Vibrations
Post by: DirtyMaggieMae on July 30, 2007, 05:04:57 PM
I know Geronimo Jackson has to mean something!  Right, remember Amy when we were thinking that it was used as some sort of signal?  Like maybe if they put on the album it would be a set of instructions or something instead of music?!?!
Title: Re: Good Vibrations
Post by: Nancy Drew on July 30, 2007, 05:08:34 PM
I know Geronimo Jackson has to mean something!  Right, remember Amy when we were thinking that it was used as some sort of signal?  Like maybe if they put on the album it would be a set of instructions or something instead of music?!?!

Exactly!!  I wonder if playing the G.J. album creates a lock down of the hatch.  We saw a lock down before, when the food drop came in, but that was created by someone outside the hatch.  Unless John Locke was listening to it while riding that stationary bike??  I don't remember.
Title: Re: Good Vibrations
Post by: DirtyMaggieMae on July 30, 2007, 05:11:05 PM
Well now that I think about it, GJ couldn't really be an instuctional tape, well, maybe not an obvious one anyways as they had an album in that cd shop Hurley was at.  I am personally very curious as to whether or not the writers will get to explaining the role of this band in the Lost world.
Title: Re: Good Vibrations
Post by: Nancy Drew on July 30, 2007, 05:13:44 PM
Well now that I think about it, GJ couldn't really be an instuctional tape, well, maybe not an obvious one anyways as they had an album in that cd shop Hurley was at.  I am personally very curious as to whether or not the writers will get to explaining the role of this band in the Lost world.

Very true, but the code Charlie punched in was set to the tune of Good Vibrations.  Although it might be songs on the album, maybe it the particular chord it's in or a certain series of notes.  Maybe they pulled a "Beatles" trick and used a dog whistle (or other sound not detected by human ears) to implement the code.
Title: Re: Good Vibrations
Post by: DirtyMaggieMae on July 30, 2007, 05:16:26 PM
Yeah!  My only thoughts on that is how does GJ and Dharma connect?  Simply looking at the timeline, Geronimo Jackson is supposed to be some obscure band from the 70's, as as far as I know.... Dharma wasn't around until 1980?  Or at least that is the date from the Pearl Orientation Video.  So it is hard for me to think that one influenced the other, but easily members of the band could have joined up with Dharma.  I mean, they both seemed to be a hippie-free-love sort of gang.
Title: Re: Good Vibrations
Post by: Nancy Drew on July 30, 2007, 05:29:42 PM
I don't remember what the timeline was, but something on DJ Dan's site made me think that the band toured colleges.  Something about someone saying their mom or grandma saw them at a university??  Anyway, from TLE we know that people were recruited for major universities, along with the DeGroots.  And I thought Dharma started in the 70's??  I think the filmstrips are just from '80.
Title: Re: Good Vibrations
Post by: DirtyMaggieMae on July 30, 2007, 05:33:58 PM
Interesting.  I was just paroooosing lostpedia and found the album cover of Geronimo Jackson's Magna Carta.  Note the free-standing door?  In Stephen King's Dark Tower series, I think the second book... the main charater Roland comes across these free-standing doors on a beach.  The doors enable him to see inside the other people heads, sorta like Being John Malcovich.  Anyhow, another Dark Tower reference?

(http://www.lostpedia.com/images/thumb/0/01/Geronimo.jpg/240px-Geronimo.jpg)
Title: Re: Good Vibrations
Post by: Nancy Drew on July 30, 2007, 05:35:11 PM
Interesting.  I was just paroooosing lostpedia and found the album cover of Geronimo Jackson's Magna Carta.  Note the free-standing door?  In Stephen King's Dark Tower series, I think the second book... the main charater Roland comes across these free-standing doors on a beach.  The doors enable him to see inside the other people heads, sorta like Being John Malcovich.  Anyhow, another Dark Tower reference?

(http://www.lostpedia.com/images/thumb/0/01/Geronimo.jpg/240px-Geronimo.jpg)

Is it me or is that the island in the background?
Title: Re: Good Vibrations
Post by: DirtyMaggieMae on July 30, 2007, 05:38:01 PM
Holy crap!  I think I see Eko's Jesus Stick!!!   :o
Title: Re: Good Vibrations
Post by: Nancy Drew on July 30, 2007, 05:40:26 PM
Lift up your eyes...............
Title: Re: Good Vibrations
Post by: DirtyMaggieMae on July 30, 2007, 05:40:52 PM
Ok.  Another interesting thing.  Golly Lostpedia is a wealth of information!  According some of the producers, the band was around in the 60's and put out an album but then broke up at Woodstock in 1971.  But Damon and Carlton say that the album came out in the mid to late 70's. 
Title: Re: Good Vibrations
Post by: Nancy Drew on July 30, 2007, 05:51:25 PM
I have been trying unsuccessfully to blow up the image and have it remain clear (the album cover).  But even with it being a little fuzzy, it looks like the members in the middle are sitting on a huge cement block.  Maybe it WAS taken on the island and it was during the construction of the hatches??
Title: Re: Good Vibrations
Post by: JBRam on July 30, 2007, 10:16:21 PM
You do know that Geronimo Jackson is a real group right?
Title: Re: Good Vibrations
Post by: Nancy Drew on July 30, 2007, 10:19:28 PM
The producers claim that they are real, but they seem to be the only people that know anything about them.
Title: Re: Good Vibrations
Post by: JBRam on July 30, 2007, 10:23:55 PM
I'm betting there are hundreds of bands that no one knows about.
Title: Re: Good Vibrations
Post by: Nancy Drew on July 30, 2007, 10:25:50 PM
I totally agree.

I just think this particular one keeps popping up for a reason.

And there is no evidence to prove it either way--real or fiction.
Title: Re: Good Vibrations
Post by: JBRam on July 30, 2007, 10:39:08 PM
I agree with Nancy Drew. :)
Title: Re: Good Vibrations
Post by: snowyjoe on July 31, 2007, 12:42:32 AM
(http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p250/snoyjoe/better.jpg)

thats the best i can do...

soo yeah..

thats my input.

whats the low down on the Karma Imperative?

and there was that chick taken from the michigan university.
Title: Re: Good Vibrations
Post by: DirtyMaggieMae on July 31, 2007, 07:26:09 AM
I don't think that it is a real band.  The producers may claim that they are, but they also claim to have come across that other orientation video somewhere in Norway.  I think they are trying to add realism to merge the lost world with our world.  Personally.  Apparently someone's grandma was taken somewhere in the Pacific and never too be seen again after she joined a cult called the "Karma Imperitive."  KI, I think, was the previous name for Geronimo Jackson who toured colleges and met this grandma at a university in Michigan.  This information was given by DJ Dan.
Title: Re: Good Vibrations
Post by: Nancy Drew on July 31, 2007, 11:50:06 AM
I don't think that it is a real band.  The producers may claim that they are, but they also claim to have come across that other orientation video somewhere in Norway.  I think they are trying to add realism to merge the lost world with our world.  Personally.  Apparently someone's grandma was taken somewhere in the Pacific and never too be seen again after she joined a cult called the "Karma Imperitive."  KI, I think, was the previous name for Geronimo Jackson who toured colleges and met this grandma at a university in Michigan.  This information was given by DJ Dan.

I don't believe they are real either.  If they were real, then it has to be some tiny, never-heard-of garage band that are connected in real life to TPTB, sort of like the artwork throughout the show.

Here's some interesting info from Lost Wiki:  (I know, some of you love it when Wiki is quoted, LOL)

Javier Grillo-Marxuach was a writer/producer on Lost.  Javier left the Lost writing team after the second season, but continued to work as a "voice for hire" on LOST Experience as the voice of DJ Dan.

In DJ Dan's First Live Podcast of August 11, 2006, Dan identified Keith Strutter as the guitarist and founder of Geronimo Jackson, and noted that Strutter's previous band was called the Karma Imperative. He also said that Strutter started Geronimo Jackson in the '60s.

During DJ Dan's 7/05 podcast, a listener by the name of Anthony called in saying that in the 70s his grandmother joined what he thought was a cult by the name "KARMA Imperative", although he probably meant to say the DHARMA Initiative but simply misspoke the name. According to Anthony's story, his grandmother joined the "KARMA Imperative" while attending the University of Michigan and was taken to an unknown location in the South Pacific and was never seen again, declared dead.

In a response to an inquiry at Notes from the Experience LiveJournal dated September 27, 2006, Javier Grillo-Marxuach  further elaborated on DJ Dan's comments from the Second Podcast by saying that Geronimo Jackson "stuff is very arcane and hard to find, frankly, I'm surprised we managed to score a copy to get on the show...I think the Danish DJ was actually playing a bootleg". He also confirmed that only Edward Kitsis and Adam Horowitz would be able to identify which of the individuals on the cover of Magna Carta was Keith Strutter, or who was responsible from the Lost production team for getting a copy of the album into the Hatch for use on Lost.

To me, it makes it sound like the band is fake and made up by TPTB.  I think these guys are staying story-tellers to the very end!!  Everything they say is FOS!!