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Episode Discussion (Spoiler Free) => Season 3 => Episode 3x22 => Topic started by: Ekos Ghost on May 24, 2007, 12:55:00 PM

Title: Juliet's sister and her child...
Post by: Ekos Ghost on May 24, 2007, 12:55:00 PM
Can anyone confirm, or at least show a screen cap, that the woman who was in the accident on the bridge was Juliet's sister?  I think it was and I believe the kid that was waving at Jack in the waiting room was her son.   Someone please help me out here.  I think I'm onto something. :o
Title: Re: Juliet's sister and her child...
Post by: red255 on May 24, 2007, 02:10:11 PM
I thought the exact same thing!
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Post by: OLLY-wood on May 24, 2007, 04:20:10 PM
i third.
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Post by: hez on May 24, 2007, 05:09:27 PM
I think it was Claire and her son, Aaron. Which would explain why Jack was so adamant in performing her surgery...co's they're half siblings!
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Post by: JMart on May 24, 2007, 05:10:47 PM
^ no lol.
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Post by: toadsage on May 24, 2007, 06:08:28 PM
it did look like juilets sister. good call
Title: Re: Juliet's sister and her child...
Post by: TXFlyboy on May 24, 2007, 10:54:39 PM
(http://gallery.lost-media.com/albums/ep-caps/season3/3x22-glass/normal_3x22-glass0670.jpg)
(http://gallery.lost-media.com/albums/ep-caps/season3/3x16-oneofus/1/normal_oneofuscap-096.jpg)

How's that?
Title: Re: Juliet's sister and her child...
Post by: scrod on May 24, 2007, 10:55:55 PM
Looks possible to me.  good call
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Post by: Nancy Drew on May 24, 2007, 10:56:48 PM
Wow!!  That is really close!!
Title: Re: Juliet's sister and her child...
Post by: TXFlyboy on May 24, 2007, 10:57:46 PM
(http://gallery.lost-media.com/albums/ep-caps/season3/3x16-oneofus/3/normal_oneofuscap-769.jpg)
(http://gallery.lost-media.com/albums/ep-caps/season3/3x22-glass/normal_3x22-glass0750.jpg)

And here's the boy.
Title: Re: Juliet's sister and her child...
Post by: Nancy Drew on May 24, 2007, 10:58:41 PM
Geez!!  Forget calling you Flyboy!!  You are now honorary Screencapboy!!
Title: Re: Juliet's sister and her child...
Post by: scrod on May 24, 2007, 11:01:28 PM
The boy is less important, totally different age/actor.
Title: Re: Juliet's sister and her child...
Post by: Nancy Drew on May 24, 2007, 11:05:00 PM
IF this turns out to be Rachel and Julian, then I would almost venture to guess that it could be possible for the funeral to be Juliet's.  One thing holding me back from thinking that way was the fact that her sis would be there for it, but if she was in the hospital, then, logically, she wouldn't be able to attend.
Title: Re: Juliet's sister and her child...
Post by: kkehoe5 on May 24, 2007, 11:14:25 PM
Jules nephew was 3 or so right? And the boy was said to be 8. So is this 5 years in the future?
Title: Re: Juliet's sister and her child...
Post by: Nancy Drew on May 24, 2007, 11:16:18 PM
We never heard a time to be able to determine how long after their departure from the island this takes place.  I would think that it has been some time, but I don't know.
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Post by: pauinha6 on May 24, 2007, 11:18:02 PM
Not sure,but i think the paper Jack had said 2006... they've been on the island since when?
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Post by: ChellyKins on May 25, 2007, 06:45:02 AM
(http://gallery.lost-media.com/albums/ep-caps/season3/3x16-oneofus/3/normal_oneofuscap-769.jpg)
(http://gallery.lost-media.com/albums/ep-caps/season3/3x22-glass/normal_3x22-glass0750.jpg)

And here's the boy.


Oh that rocks! I didn't know if it was AARON or someone else's kid...like Kate.

IF this turns out to be Rachel and Julian, then I would almost venture to guess that it could be possible for the funeral to be Juliet's.  One thing holding me back from thinking that way was the fact that her sis would be there for it, but if she was in the hospital, then, logically, she wouldn't be able to attend.
But we have the name of the MAN that died...right?
Title: Re: Juliet's sister and her child...
Post by: Ekos Ghost on May 25, 2007, 09:02:15 AM
Thank you for the screen caps.  It definitely makes me think that it is Juliet's sister.  But if that is her son then it would be too far in the future to make any sense.  I can't imagine that a show that has been on for three years and has only moved along about 4 months in "Lost" time would jump ahead 5 years.  There's too many questions when time moves along normally.  Let alone 5 years in the future.  But who knows, they may be taking this show in a completely different direction now.  I hope they don't change it too much. 

I'm going to have to agree that I think it may be Juliet in that coffin but I don't see the point in speculating right now.  We do this every "off" season and always come up with the wrong answers.  They never give us enough information to come to any real conclusion.

Did Juliet have any family other than her sister?  Other than Ben, who wouldn't have anyone show up at their funeral?  ???
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Post by: xrayeck on May 25, 2007, 09:08:45 AM
Re: Timeframe
The paper Jack was reading was the April 5, 2007, Los Angeles Times.
http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/news/tv/la-spinoff-lost24may24,0,3493291.story
Title: Re: Juliet's sister and her child...
Post by: Ekos Ghost on May 25, 2007, 09:20:37 AM
I believe they've been on the island since 2004.  So they get off of it after three years?  Or earlier I guess considering Jack had plenty of time to ruin his life back on the mainland.  I can't believe I have to wait until January for more.  Arrrrgggghhh!!!! 
Title: Re: Juliet's sister and her child...
Post by: matahari on May 25, 2007, 12:00:07 PM
COULD BE! Kept asking if Arlen sounded familiar. It wouldn't because Juliet's last name is her husband's BURKE. We need to know her maiden name.

If the kid is 8 y.o. Then he would have to have been born in 1999 right. That doesn't work if Juliet's sister gave birth in 2001/2002.

Was thinking it could be Aaron with aunt Lindsay too, but that doesn't really look like her.

If Jack course corrects will this woman die or never get into the accident?
Title: Re: Juliet's sister and her child...
Post by: laklost on May 25, 2007, 12:01:11 PM
(http://gallery.lost-media.com/albums/ep-caps/season3/3x22-glass/normal_3x22-glass0670.jpg)
(http://gallery.lost-media.com/albums/ep-caps/season3/3x16-oneofus/1/normal_oneofuscap-096.jpg)

How's that?

Yee haw!!!! Tex is my hero!!!

I didn't even think of this.

Fabulous!
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Post by: PostScript on May 25, 2007, 01:59:45 PM
Very interesting stuff!! I can definitely see the resemblance. Just wanted to comment on the "course correction" comment. This provides an interesting conundrum, is Jack or any of the losties able to change the future? Personally I don't like to think of this as a possibility -- it adds infinite repercussions for every small action that does not occur (as it was "supposed" to). Also, the only way to change the future would in theory be to be able to know the future. Currently the only person somewhat capable of doing this is Desmond. Personally I like the angle where Jack can not change the past -- we learn about it through flashbacks -- but he can change the future and that is why he wants to get back to the island to right his wrongs -- which is the present. Who knows what exactly will occur next season, but as soon as you through in the ability for jack to change the future it throws everything off.

PS If the course correction (future knowing / changing / time travelling) is actually an option I suppose it may explain Christian still being alive. I.E. how Desmond had the ability to change things in the past... or at least we think he could.
Title: Re: Juliet's sister and her child...
Post by: DirtyMaggieMae on July 28, 2007, 07:22:37 PM
Not saying they couldn't have moved, but the hospital was in LA, and as Rachel is from Miami Florida in Juliet's flashback. 
Also, the woman in the crash was named Mrs. Arlen and Juliet's sister's name was Carlson.  Of course, she could have been married.... I do agree that they look similar, the crash victim and Rachel.  But I don't think that she is the same woman because of those things previously listed and the age of her son who would be about 5-6, and not 8 by any stretch. 
Title: Re: Juliet's sister and her child...
Post by: snowyjoe on July 28, 2007, 09:57:27 PM
(http://gallery.lost-media.com/albums/ep-caps/season3/3x22-glass/normal_3x22-glass0670.jpg)
(http://gallery.lost-media.com/albums/ep-caps/season3/3x16-oneofus/1/normal_oneofuscap-096.jpg)

How's that?

Yee haw!!!! Tex is my hero!!!

I didn't even think of this.

Fabulous!

its very alike, i'm with that... thats a good twist if its juliets funeral....
Title: Re: Juliet's sister and her child...
Post by: DirtyMaggieMae on July 28, 2007, 10:44:23 PM
Same eyebrows, at any rate.
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Post by: JBRam on July 29, 2007, 02:39:47 AM
which is easily edited with a pair of tweezers.
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Post by: DirtyMaggieMae on July 29, 2007, 11:27:45 AM
Yeah....  :-\
Title: Re: Juliet's sister and her child...
Post by: Nancy Drew on July 30, 2007, 05:11:31 PM
The woman almost looks like Sarah, Jack's ex.  Maybe that would explain why Jack felt so strongly about doing her surgery??  She was also pregnant wasn't she?  I just don't know about the timeline compared to the age of the child.
Title: Re: Juliet's sister and her child...
Post by: DirtyMaggieMae on July 30, 2007, 05:14:09 PM
She was pregnant when she went to see Jack after he saved those people.  So it couldn't have been her.  It would be nice if the car crash woman (Mrs. Arlen) and her son were someone we knew from flashbacks or the island but there seems to be no one who meets the bill of having an 8 year old son.  I have to think that these may have just been random people who gave Jack a much needed wake up call.  They are vastly important whether we knew them previously or not.  Knowing lost though, they really SHOULD tie in.
Title: Re: Juliet's sister and her child...
Post by: Nancy Drew on July 30, 2007, 05:25:19 PM
I just thought this was interesting know that the woman's last name is Arlen.

Harold Arlen was a famous composer.  He wrote this song, Between the Devil and the Deep Blue Sea.

"Between the devil and the deep blue sea" is an idiom meaning you must choose between two undesirable situations (equivalent to "between a rock and a hard place").

and

In 1938, the team was hired by Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer to compose songs for The Wizard of Oz. The most famous of these is the song "Over the Rainbow"

If you know the story of the Wizard of Oz, not just the first book, but the series, Dorothy tries everything to go back to Oz:

"Dorothy cannot stop thinking about the Land of Oz and her friends the Scarecrow, the Tin Woodman and the Cowardly Lion. One night Dorothy sees a shooting star; the next morning, while checking for eggs from Billina, her yellow hen, Dorothy comes across a key that appears to be sent from Oz by the shooting star."

I just thought this an interesting (possible) connection with the story line of Jack trying to get back to the island.
Title: Re: Juliet's sister and her child...
Post by: DirtyMaggieMae on July 30, 2007, 05:28:52 PM
Yeah!  Cool, thanks Amy!  I looked up some things on him breifly but I didn't know that he composed for Wizard of Oz.  Well, that just confirms for me that this woman is just a mystery woman and that we haven't met her before.  I don't think the writers would have had Rachel marry someone and change her last name.... thats just a little confusing for viewers.  I like that she represents Jack's.... well... fate almost!
Title: Re: Juliet's sister and her child...
Post by: Nancy Drew on July 30, 2007, 05:31:31 PM
I think it makes sense too.  We weren't supposed to know her, but connect the story-line with her name.  Much like other names in the show, Montand for one, the character had little or no relevance, but the name did.
Title: Re: Juliet's sister and her child...
Post by: DirtyMaggieMae on July 30, 2007, 05:43:21 PM
True true!  Good find!  But I have my doubts if we will see her again.
Title: Re: Juliet's sister and her child...
Post by: Nancy Drew on July 30, 2007, 05:56:08 PM
Well, if you look at all the literary works that have been used to coincide with the story line, it makes sense for one of them to be The Wizard of Oz by Baum.  We've also seen where Alice in Wonderland by Carroll has been used, many times, too.  I'm sure there are other works of this caliber and it would be interesting to go back and see if we've missed seeing them just because we didn't know we were looking for them.
Title: Re: Juliet's sister and her child...
Post by: JBRam on July 30, 2007, 10:43:46 PM
Who in Lost is named Arlen?
Title: Re: Juliet's sister and her child...
Post by: Nancy Drew on July 30, 2007, 10:45:17 PM
Mrs. Arlen is the name of the woman laying in the hospital bed--the one that Jack caused to have an accident.
Title: Re: Juliet's sister and her child...
Post by: laklost on August 01, 2007, 07:55:28 PM
I just thought this was interesting know that the woman's last name is Arlen.

Harold Arlen was a famous composer.  He wrote this song, Between the Devil and the Deep Blue Sea.

"Between the devil and the deep blue sea" is an idiom meaning you must choose between two undesirable situations (equivalent to "between a rock and a hard place").

and

In 1938, the team was hired by Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer to compose songs for The Wizard of Oz. The most famous of these is the song "Over the Rainbow"

If you know the story of the Wizard of Oz, not just the first book, but the series, Dorothy tries everything to go back to Oz:

"Dorothy cannot stop thinking about the Land of Oz and her friends the Scarecrow, the Tin Woodman and the Cowardly Lion. One night Dorothy sees a shooting star; the next morning, while checking for eggs from Billina, her yellow hen, Dorothy comes across a key that appears to be sent from Oz by the shooting star."

I just thought this an interesting (possible) connection with the story line of Jack trying to get back to the island.

Great connection. Thanks for finding it, dearie doodle!
Title: Re: Juliet's sister and her child...
Post by: Nancy Drew on August 01, 2007, 08:18:46 PM
I just thought this was interesting know that the woman's last name is Arlen.

Harold Arlen was a famous composer.  He wrote this song, Between the Devil and the Deep Blue Sea.

"Between the devil and the deep blue sea" is an idiom meaning you must choose between two undesirable situations (equivalent to "between a rock and a hard place").

and

In 1938, the team was hired by Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer to compose songs for The Wizard of Oz. The most famous of these is the song "Over the Rainbow"

If you know the story of the Wizard of Oz, not just the first book, but the series, Dorothy tries everything to go back to Oz:

"Dorothy cannot stop thinking about the Land of Oz and her friends the Scarecrow, the Tin Woodman and the Cowardly Lion. One night Dorothy sees a shooting star; the next morning, while checking for eggs from Billina, her yellow hen, Dorothy comes across a key that appears to be sent from Oz by the shooting star."

I just thought this an interesting (possible) connection with the story line of Jack trying to get back to the island.

Great connection. Thanks for finding it, dearie doodle!

I thought it was just neat to be able to find a connection to the theme of the show.