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Title: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: puff6962 on May 23, 2007, 11:36:14 PM
I'm betting Benjamin Linus.  Who else could die with nobody showing?  Kate's response of "Why would I go to the funeral?" could mean that she is still on the run or that she despised whosever funeral that it was.
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: pauinha6 on May 23, 2007, 11:57:04 PM
Jack wouldn't go to ben's funeral!!!

and bem will die on the island of course

i'm thinking Juliet...
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: Sunflower on May 23, 2007, 11:59:42 PM
You haven't seen it yet!  :P  ::)  But you were right apparently about NIL  :'(  Is that right Puff?
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: Point Place WI on May 23, 2007, 11:59:52 PM
Sawyers
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: ozman776 on May 24, 2007, 12:01:20 AM
had to be sawyers..... wow what a concept... a flash forward
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: dointhecockroach on May 24, 2007, 12:02:01 AM
had to be sawyers..... wow what a concept... a flash forward

or a flash back....
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: Sunflower on May 24, 2007, 12:03:12 AM
Sawyers
Was he at least topless?  :D  sorry
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: Chefpyro on May 24, 2007, 12:03:37 AM
Locke's. nobody would go to his funeral.
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: ozman776 on May 24, 2007, 12:04:11 AM
nah cause jack "knew" kate... had to be from the future....

or... what we have watched for the past 3 seasons are a complete flashback and now we will be seeing everything from the futures standpoint...
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: gakhandal on May 24, 2007, 12:06:07 AM
Jack wouldn't go to ben's funeral!!!.
If Jack thought Ben was right about leaving the island was a bad idea, I bet he would go to his funeral.
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: Madam P on May 24, 2007, 12:18:55 AM
Some very astute person on another thread (sorry I can't credit but the darn server is locking up - imagine that...) noticed that the name of the funeral home -- Hoffs/Drawlar Funeral Home -- anagrams to "flash forward."  So, I'd say that's a bit of a clue...   ;)

I'm betting it's Juliet's funeral.  It has to be somebody Jack cared about because he seemed genuinely upset, and at the same time it had to be somebody that would make Kate's face/voice harden like it did when she seemed to think it ridiculous that she would attend.  Juliet will probably still do something to screw them over before they get off the island -- maybe kill Sawyer or something?  Who knows.  And I don't know why her sister wouldn't be attending, unless the whole video of her sister surviving the cancer was a bit of creative camera-work by Ben & Co. 

But I'm betting it was Juliet in that box. 

And who's the "he" that will be wondering where Kate is...
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: steerpike76 on May 24, 2007, 01:38:00 AM
Definately Ben's. Everyone was rescued except Locke. Locke has spent the time being the leader of the others. He then sends his image back in time as "Jacob" to lead Ben into doing what he thinks is the right thing. Also that could be the reasoning behind seeing older Walt. Damon and Carlton did say they had a way for bringing those characters back using the same actor for Walt and have it make sense.
Also funeral couldn't be Sawyer, cause Kate was with him. She told Jack that "he'd" be wondering where she was... "He" has to be Sawyer.
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: PostScript on May 24, 2007, 01:43:56 AM
Certainly could be Locke's funeral. First of all he really has nobody -- it would be understandable that no one would show. Also, there is a lot that has not been shown leading to that point... Locke could easily have become not "friend or family" to everyone on the island.
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: jugdish on May 24, 2007, 01:47:48 AM
It is a funeral of someone who betrayed them all. It could be locke, sawyer, juliet, whoever screws them over at the end. We will know in the next 3 years.
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: jillybean4u on May 24, 2007, 01:58:42 AM
I first thought Sawyer, but I think Kate is "with" Sawyer in the flash forward and it was Locke's funeral. He didn't have family and friends.
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: puff6962 on May 24, 2007, 02:01:51 AM
Ben.

Does anyone have a screencap of the obituary?
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: Lost_Is_My_Favorite on May 24, 2007, 02:03:32 AM
It was a man who was found dead by hanging from a loft.  Another site had a bit clearer shot of the obit.  The MAN'S name started with a J....could be Locke or Sawyer.  Any other J men?  Or Jin.  But here are 2 things to go with that.  Jack was crying about it, then wanted to kill himself and then he had hoped that Kate would be there.  Then Kate blew it off with a why would she go there.  So I would think Sawyer.  Something happens between them before they got rescued, but would Jack cry about it?  Maybe it's someone yet to come.  
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: toadsage on May 24, 2007, 02:04:19 AM
i know im reachin but maybe michael, after all we saw walt, and i dont think jack cared for mike much after he found out about libby and anna
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: YerMom on May 24, 2007, 02:05:55 AM
It was a man who was found dead by hanging from a loft.  Another site had a bit clearer shot of the obit.  The MAN'S name started with a J....could be Locke or Sawyer.  Any other J men?  Or Jin.  But here are 2 things to go with that.  Jack was crying about it, then wanted to kill himself and then he had hoped that Kate would be there.  Then Kate blew it off with a why would she go there.  So I would think Sawyer.  Something happens between them before they got rescued, but would Jack cry about it?  Maybe it's someone yet to come.   

Jacob?

I am willing to bet it is whoever made this whole thing happen. Whoever is pulling the strings behind the island and made all their lives hell.
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: Madam P on May 24, 2007, 02:06:31 AM
How did you know it was a man? 

(I'm not doubting you -- just wondering...)

Edit:  Never mind, now I see the screencap...
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: newerakb on May 24, 2007, 02:07:22 AM
I say Juliet or Ben's funeral. Not Sawyer's, since Kate is probably married to him. Not Locke's, since Kate wouldn't have a reason to say that there's no reason she would go. I'm leaning towards Juliet, since it seems like for Jack to get that emotional over it and cry like that, would take the death of a woman he loved or used to love. Though Kate's reaction would be consistent with either Ben or Juliet.

I think next season might see the losties and the others cooperating to fight the newcomers on the boat together, so Jack and Ben might become closer...but I doubt close enough for him to care that much about his death.
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: YerMom on May 24, 2007, 02:08:50 AM
Does anyone recall in the beginning when Jack got off the plane and called someone about the obit? It sounded like "Penny, it's me. I just read..." (or whatever). But I heard PENNY.
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: WG?JIFFY on May 24, 2007, 02:09:32 AM
I noticed that the funeral home was in a black neighborhood and the funeral director was also black.  I would assume it was a black character that was there.  What about Jack and Kate living in LA?  Are any of the characters from LA now?  I have to go with Michael maybe? I know he was from NY but still.  Who Rose??  Not.  Although without being on the island maybe she died from her cancer?!?  hmmm  Oh hell now I have confused myself.
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: Maxor127 on May 24, 2007, 02:14:11 AM
I thought it was either a kid's funeral or a midget's funeral since the coffin looked small.  I'm guessing whoever it is, it will be significant to the overall show since they teased us with it and never told us who it was.
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: Lost_Is_My_Favorite on May 24, 2007, 02:16:02 AM
How did you know it was a man? 

(I'm not doubting you -- just wondering...)

Yes, it could be Jacob too.  I forgot about him.  Here is a link to another website that shows a better view of the obit. It says a man was found hung in a loft.  Name starts with a J.  Jacob, Jin, James, John.   Hmmm

http://losteastereggs.blogspot.com/
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: puff6962 on May 24, 2007, 02:17:38 AM
Jack was called a hero, again.  That, and the gold pass to fly anytime, means that the world new about those from flight 815 who made it back.  We must consider that, particularly with a suicide, somebody....even the press....would have taken notice and showed up to the service.  But, if it were a person who was not on 815....either Ben or Rousseau....the world would be unaware of them.  Both have been out of the country for over 16 years and the press may not have even known about either of them.

Rousseau has stated that she would not leave the island....but that may change when Alex starts wanting to see the world or gets pregnant with Karl's love child.  Ben, most adamant about protecting the island, may be Napoleon exiled to the island of Crete....or in this case, California.  He, of all those on the island, has the most to fear if another entity comes into power.  He runs, is in a world that he doesn't belong, and kills himself.  

The newspaper may give an alias in the obit, but it's Ben.  Let's take a poll and track it over the next 7 months.
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: norville on May 24, 2007, 02:20:36 AM
My money's on Locke, but I'd also believe Walt or maybe someone we haven't met yet.  The whole "flash forward" is building up to Jack's discussion with Kate about how he wants nothing more than to get back to the island, about how they were never supposed to leave.  Contrast that with Locke's discussion with Jack at gunpoint, where he tells Jack that he is not supposed to make the call, and Jack does it anyway (with Locke walking off in disgust).  Jack's decision to go against Locke leads them all to get rescued (eventually), including Locke unwillingly.  Kate has no reason to go to Locke's funeral because she (and everyone else that is glad they got rescued) saw Locke increasingly as a force trying to prevent their rescue.  Jack was crying because something that happened before the rescue convinced him that Locke was right, but he had already put things in motion...

Having said all that, viewing the coffin, I also thought it looked too small.
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: exorcst on May 24, 2007, 02:21:03 AM
Who had no one that would show up at funeral?
Sawyer, Locke, and Ben, probably..

Also did you notice the neighborhood it waas in? Seemed like a predominately black neighborhood, well at least all the people they showed.
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: jugdish on May 24, 2007, 02:21:40 AM
I am not sure if the J is for the name. But is clearly says that he is from New York. Who is from New York. Not sawyer, not Jin and was Locke?
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: YerMom on May 24, 2007, 02:22:38 AM
I noticed that the funeral home was in a black neighborhood and the funeral director was also black.  I would assume it was a black character that was there.  What about Jack and Kate living in LA?  Are any of the characters from LA now?  I have to go with Michael maybe? I know he was from NY but still.  Who Rose??  Not.  Although without being on the island maybe she died from her cancer?!?  hmmm  Oh hell now I have confused myself.

I agree whoever dies must be black and due to the small coffin, perhaps Walt. Weren't we told he is "special" last season? Remember the black woman in the tent who said that??  
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: puff6962 on May 24, 2007, 02:24:09 AM
Somebody please start a thread about the fact that Mikail cannot die!  My lord, he got shot in the heart by an arrow.  Please, four threads is my limit.
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: Lost_Is_My_Favorite on May 24, 2007, 02:26:29 AM
My guess would be Jacob.  
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: PhiLostopherKing on May 24, 2007, 02:27:17 AM
I am willing to bet it is whoever made this whole thing happen. Whoever is pulling the strings behind the island and made all their lives hell.

My first post here. I think there'll be a lot to talk about for the next eight months...

This is a complete shot in the dark, but since that seems to be what the show encourages us to do, here goes:

There's a philosopher who fits the "J.... tham" name that we can see on the obituary: Jeremy Bentham. Not only that, he's the guy behind the idea of the "Panopticon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panopticon)," which just might have a lot in common with the Island as we've come to know it.

From the link:

Quote
The Panopticon is a type of prison building designed by English philosopher Jeremy Bentham in the late eighteenth century. The concept of the design is to allow an observer to observe (-opticon) all (pan-) prisoners without the prisoners being able to tell if they are being observed or not, thus conveying a "sentiment of an invisible omniscience." In his own words, Bentham described the Panopticon as "a new mode of obtaining power of mind over mind, in a quantity hitherto without example."

Could Jack be mourning a character we don't know yet, a character who's ultimately responsible for the creation/maintenance/whatever of the island?
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: hotgarbage on May 24, 2007, 02:27:29 AM
Don't think it was Juliette's...a better look at the paper Jack has reads: Los Angeles, Man Found Downtown... and mabey the word Hotel.  Kate says, "he'll wonder where I'm at", to Jack which makes you think Sawyer.  The only other possibility (for now) could be her son.  If she did become pregnant.  My guess is Ben then Locke.
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: jugdish on May 24, 2007, 02:28:25 AM
Somebody please start a thread about the fact that Mikail cannot die!  My lord, he got shot in the heart by an arrow.  Please, four threads is my limit.

Except that he is dead, blew himself up with the hand gernade.
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: puff6962 on May 24, 2007, 02:36:57 AM
And he got fried in a sonic fence, beat mercilessly, and shot in the chest.  What's a little underwater grenade after all that.....flesh wound.
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: Maxor127 on May 24, 2007, 02:37:30 AM
Yeah, if Patchy comes back from that, I think I'll have to quit watching.  How he jumped in the water and swam to the window with a grenade and no one noticed is something I've been wondering.

Does anyone else think the coffin looked too small for an adult?  I feel like I'm the only person who noticed that and I'm wondering if I'm delusional.  That would mean it was a funeral either for a child or a very small person.
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: Lost_Is_My_Favorite on May 24, 2007, 02:38:46 AM
Somebody please start a thread about the fact that Mikail cannot die!  My lord, he got shot in the heart by an arrow.  Please, four threads is my limit.

LOL  There you go!  
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: YerMom on May 24, 2007, 02:41:10 AM
Yeah, if Patchy comes back from that, I think I'll have to quit watching.  How he jumped in the water and swam to the window with a grenade and no one noticed is something I've been wondering.

Does anyone else think the coffin looked too small for an adult?  I feel like I'm the only person who noticed that and I'm wondering if I'm delusional.   That would mean it was a funeral either for a child or a very small person.

It has been mentioned by others.
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: steerpike76 on May 24, 2007, 02:46:16 AM
yeah i thought the coffin was small.. but coffins are all the same size for adults basically. and there's no way no one would come for the funeral of a child.. so.. are their any dwarfs? other than charlie the hobbit... I think the size of the coffin was not a factor. More like, just a prop thing...
But if it WAS Locke, then his legs would have been useless and therefore scrunched up in the coffin, hence the logic of using a child's coffin to save a little money on the seemingly public-funded funeral....
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: Imnotapeck on May 24, 2007, 02:51:31 AM
"MAN FOUND"
"The body of J..."

It's a man whose name starts with a "J".

(http://www.tvsquad.com/media/2007/05/lost-newspaper_1000x667.shkl.jpg)
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: YerMom on May 24, 2007, 02:52:50 AM
"MAN FOUND"
"The body of J..."

It's a man whose name starts with a "J".

Thanks for repeating previously posted info.

 :P
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: Imnotapeck on May 24, 2007, 02:56:40 AM
"MAN FOUND"
"The body of J..."

It's a man whose name starts with a "J".

Thanks for repeating previously posted info.

 :P

Hahaha, I know...I know. But, it seems like alot of people are still trying to guess in this thread. Figured I'd post a picture so people would LOOK at it.

:)
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: puff6962 on May 24, 2007, 03:24:12 AM
The coffin didn't look that short.  But, if it was, maybe it was so because Mikail lost both legs and both arms in the grenade explosion but somehow managed to swim to shore by using his tongue like an auger.  Then he got rescued, lived alone watching television (Russian voice activated) and then, again with his tongue, rigged some rope and decided to check out.
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: norville on May 24, 2007, 03:44:06 AM
LOL, puff6962!!  I think you've hit your head on the nail.  :D
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: Sunflower on May 24, 2007, 04:28:08 AM
Whoever it is, Jack thinks Kate would be there.  If she is with Sawyer then it would be someone Sawyer could care less about.  If it's Ben like some of you suppose, then we got 3 years of story to explain that one.  Locke, I don't think so...he was Jack's nemesis.  Juliet possibly...but Locke would be someone who Sawyer would not want to see (since introducing him to the real Sawyer).  Just thinking out loud...
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: AstroJones on May 24, 2007, 04:33:56 AM
I think it being Locke fits best with the rest of the story.  Because Locke is the one who told him he wasn't supposed to make that call and that they weren't supposed to leave the island.  And that is something that Jack had finally started to believe as well.  He probably also would have felt responsible for Locke's death if he was the reason why Locke was taken from the island.
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: Sunflower on May 24, 2007, 04:38:20 AM
Again, we have 3 yrs...BUT I find it hard to believe that Locke would leave the Island.  Infact, I don't believe he would.  So for me, it would have to be someone else.
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: Desmond8MyPopRocks on May 24, 2007, 05:04:01 AM
Certainly could be Locke's funeral. First of all he really has nobody -- it would be understandable that no one would show. Also, there is a lot that has not been shown leading to that point... Locke could easily have become not "friend or family" to everyone on the island.
I wholeheartedly agree that it was Locke's funeral that no one attended.  (reminded me of the Beatles' song, Eleanor Rigby)...

I believe somewhere between what we see now and what we saw in Jack's flash forward that MANY things happened with Locke on the Island.  If you recall, Jack was calling a 310 area code number, calling the person whose name was in the paper, with no answer on the other end.  I surmise it was Locke, considering 310 is the area code for Los Angeles (Tustin, Irvine).  Locke may have become a hero of sorts on the Island, but when he returned to normal, every day living, he was just your average nobody--lost in the crowd.

That's what I figure happened, anyway
cheers
*Des8
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: Sunflower on May 24, 2007, 05:07:33 AM
Really?  You think he was calling Locke??

Hi DES  :-*  I miss you!

I think he was calling Kate.
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: Desmond8MyPopRocks on May 24, 2007, 05:23:19 AM
Really?  You think he was calling Locke??

Hi DES  :-*  I miss you!

I think he was calling Kate.
Hiya AlwaysL!!! I miss you too!!!!  :)

He may have been calling Kate, but I think he said something about "I read about you in the paper"....I could be wrong because my parents were babbling during this part right before I said SHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH, so you're probably right.  I'll have to rewatch it tomorrow.

But I believe it was Locke in the box.  "Aye, Boxman," as Desmond said.  Kind of a poignant way for Locke to end his life, back in a box, eh?

cheers sistah
*Des8
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: Sunflower on May 24, 2007, 05:26:09 AM
I'll rewatch it too...but I don't think that's what he said...I watched that part a few times (Praise DVR!!).

Don't you hate it when ppl don't respect the NO TALKING RULES??  That's why I keep duct tape with me at all times ;)
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: Desmond8MyPopRocks on May 24, 2007, 05:28:26 AM
Yeah, duct tape, some plastic lining for the windows and doorways, some SPAM, some Y2K water....yada yada
;)

cheers
*Des8
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: Sunflower on May 24, 2007, 05:31:42 AM
I guess ALOT must have happened for Locke to leave the Island and to do so friendless...wierd.  He should have died there before leaving. Or did he?
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: redstar_sj on May 24, 2007, 07:03:14 AM
Hi

I'm gonna have to go with Locke's funeral...not because no one showed up - but that to me seems perfectly plausible...but because Jacks flash back...sorry, flash *forward*...is all about his journey towards realising that he shouldn't have left the island, or it wasn't the right time, or whatever it was he said at the airport scene at the end - which, mimics what Locke said to jack prior to not shooting him...also if you look closely at the picture posted earlier - it seems quite clear to me, obscured as the next letter is, that it is an O followed by something with an upstrike like an h.

Love
Scot
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: WhatThe on May 24, 2007, 09:09:30 AM
I think it was Ben's funeral. He truly would have no "family or friends" either, and Kate would definitely react in anger at the suggestion that she attend his funeral. However, if Jack is now believing that, lies and manipulations aside, Ben really was right when he said he shouldn't have called the rescue boat, then I could see Jack viewing the attending of Ben's funeral as something that should be done, just as returning to the island is something that should be "done' (literally or figuratively, either way).
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: zeekloveslost on May 24, 2007, 12:37:44 PM
why doesn't anyone question the fact that someone had to pay for the obituary (if it was an obit and not just a new article) and someone pays (a lot) for a funeral. So beyond "whose funeral was that" let's ask "who paid for that funeral that no one showed up to"?
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: MarchonManhattan on May 24, 2007, 01:13:12 PM
I don't think it was an obituary, it looks like a small newspaper article about a man being found dead and probably saying "no living relatives, blah blah, viewing will be held by the state or some organization blah blah".  I think that if someone dies with no family, the state will pay for a small service but I could be wrong... also, It HAS to be either Ben (I know, theres no J in his name) or Jacob (even tho I don't think he would have a body if he died, being that he's an "entity of the black rock" or whatever you want to call it). Why else would kate not want to go if it was someone who did something horrible to her? And why would Jack be so upset about someone neither friend nor family other than the fact that maybe it was the last person who knew how to get to the island, cuz if they died, he couldn't get back. It definatly is someone who was bad, but knew where the island was and how to get there.
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: Ladybug on May 24, 2007, 02:11:03 PM
I thought it was either a kid's funeral or a midget's funeral since the coffin looked small.  I'm guessing whoever it is, it will be significant to the overall show since they teased us with it and never told us who it was.
you read my mind.  i thought the coffin looked small too.
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: lostandfree on May 24, 2007, 02:30:39 PM
Yes, I think it is someone who was trying to help Jack get back to the island or maybe the only person who knew how to get back.  I think that any of the people on the island would have been considered a friend, even Locke, especially if Jack had regret toward Locke that would make him that upset.  Plus, Locke would have had someone at his funeral, maybe Helen would have gone (things are different when someone dies, she might have gone).  The only person that I don't think would have had any family and also would not have been considered a friend would be Ben.  But I think it might be someone we haven't met yet.
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: misseko815 on May 24, 2007, 03:03:35 PM
I think it was Sawyer's funeral. Remember that the last of we have seen of Kate and Sawyer on the island, they weren't getting along so well (he didn't even call her "Freckles"  :'(). So, it's really possible that Kate could grow to hate him, and be with somebody else, especially once off of the island.
Jack would be sad about Sawyer dying because he misses the island, and the people he was with (from the flight) on the island, including Sawyer.
It might make sense that nobody would come to Sawyer's funeral as well.
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: Ladybug on May 24, 2007, 03:54:16 PM
So, what do you think?
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: zeekloveslost on May 24, 2007, 03:55:40 PM
the box was empty - just like the one on the plane.
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: sillysab on May 24, 2007, 04:07:23 PM
JACK is in the coffin, maybe, if this whole time warp/alternate reality theory is true. After all, the man in the obit was found hanging (suicide), and Jack is suicidal. Jack wouldn't be that upset about ay other man dying from the island. Kate does not go b/c things end bad between them on the island. Jack's dad is dead, ex-wifey would not go, no one would go b/c Jack does something to piss everybody off after that cell phone call he makes, or maybe by making the cell call...
Maybe every night Jack tries to kill himself but he cannot die since being on the island just like Patchy.
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: DizzyIzzy on May 24, 2007, 04:13:43 PM
My first thought was Juliet, my second was Locke, and my third was Sawyer.
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: HanginWithMrEko on May 24, 2007, 05:00:44 PM
Vincent  ;D
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: JBRam on May 24, 2007, 05:10:54 PM
My guess is Locke. A lot of you have already heard why, but for those of you not in the "loop" (and believe me, unless you want 50 messages in an hour, you don't want to be there) here it is

Jack said he was neither friend nor family. This narrows it down to the men on the island that he wouldn't consider a friend or family, and which haven't died yet.

This consists of Ben, Locke, Sawyer, and possibly Sayid, although I think Jack would consider Sayid a friend.

Kate was keeping someone waiting when she met Jack. That means she was living with someone. Since she only said "him" instead of a name, I'm assuming that Jack knows who he is. That means he is from the island. Kate has had relationships wiht Jack, Sawyer, Sayid, and Charlie, with the most prominent one being Sawyer. If Kate was with Sawyer, then Sawyer is not in the coffin.

No one showed up to the funeral. That means the person had no family or friends. If this is a person from the island, then the majority of people would at least have one person there who knew them. Sawyer had Kate and his daughter (if he ever finds her). Sayid has Nadia. Ben has no one, and Locke has no one. Most people will probably think of Locke as a traitor.

I doubt that Jack allows Ben to leave the island.

This narrows it down to Locke, or someone we haven't met yet. I feel confident that it is Locke.
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: JMart on May 24, 2007, 05:15:01 PM
^ you're brilliant :)
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: Petey on May 24, 2007, 06:03:47 PM
My guess is Locke. A lot of you have already heard why, but for those of you not in the "loop" (and believe me, unless you want 50 messages in an hour, you don't want to be there) here it is

Jack said he was neither friend nor family. This narrows it down to the men on the island that he wouldn't consider a friend or family, and which haven't died yet.

This consists of Ben, Locke, Sawyer, and possibly Sayid, although I think Jack would consider Sayid a friend.

Kate was keeping someone waiting when she met Jack. That means she was living with someone. Since she only said "him" instead of a name, I'm assuming that Jack knows who he is. That means he is from the island. Kate has had relationships wiht Jack, Sawyer, Sayid, and Charlie, with the most prominent one being Sawyer. If Kate was with Sawyer, then Sawyer is not in the coffin.

No one showed up to the funeral. That means the person had no family or friends. If this is a person from the island, then the majority of people would at least have one person there who knew them. Sawyer had Kate and his daughter (if he ever finds her). Sayid has Nadia. Ben has no one, and Locke has no one. Most people will probably think of Locke as a traitor.

I doubt that Jack allows Ben to leave the island.

This narrows it down to Locke, or someone we haven't met yet. I feel confident that it is Locke.


I agree to a point, but why would Locke want off the island? I would think he'd kill himself before being forced to leave. Ben, however, is a prisoner as of now and I can see Jack dragging him back with everyone else. Ben in the real world would definitely have no friends, no money, no education and no way to get a job...forcing him to maybe live in a poorer part of town. I think it's Ben.
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: LouE68 on May 24, 2007, 06:07:26 PM
My first thought was Sawyer
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: toadsage on May 24, 2007, 06:07:45 PM
its michael, jack siad neither friend nor fam, and the last time he saw mike i dont think he was too pleased with him
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: iubase28 on May 24, 2007, 06:10:14 PM
I was thinking it was Ben just because Jack was so upset over the death.  Ben is the one who knows the most about getting to and from the island so him dying hurts jacks chance of getting back.  Locke wasnt hated by the rest of the losties, i believe some of them would have shown up to the funeral if it was Locke. 
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: a_dot_out on May 24, 2007, 06:50:47 PM
Someone we have not met yet

I agree w/ JBram's Sawyer/Kate logic, but disagree that Locke is in the coffin. I believe that Locke would stay on the Island at ALL costs and that the Island would protect Locke at ALL costs.

Ben seems like a reasonable choice. Who's death would push Jack to the edge of near immediate suicide. We know this person also knew Kate at some point. Granted Jack was already a broken man, but I believe this person was either a key to Jack getting back to the Island or if it is Ben, Jack later determines that Ben was right about everything.

I'm not convinced it was Ben yet though. So I'm going to stick with someone we have not met yet.
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: DariaDazzle on May 24, 2007, 06:57:07 PM
I don't know if anyone has mentioned this, but at LostEasterEggs.blogspot.com, there is a close up of the newspaper Jack has.
http://bp0.blogger.com/_RrObyQ3XzcY/RlUe-1YihSI/AAAAAAAAFkw/ucINFuG1jfo/s1600-h/newspaperclipping2.jpg
 (http://bp0.blogger.com/_RrObyQ3XzcY/RlUe-1YihSI/AAAAAAAAFkw/ucINFuG1jfo/s1600-h/newspaperclipping2.jpg)
If you look closely, below the title and the 'Man Found...', it says 'The Body of Jo-'.
John Locke perhaps? I think so, though my first thought was Sawyer.
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: therealsawyer on May 24, 2007, 07:01:01 PM
Not Sawyer..I think he and Jack have developed enough of a relationship that he would be considered a friend.

I say Ben...don't think Locke would leave the island.

Ben loses power and is exiled for his actions.  Jack was trying to contact him to find a way back.
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: pauinha6 on May 24, 2007, 07:36:46 PM
Here is the pic

(http://bp0.blogger.com/_RrObyQ3XzcY/RlUe-1YihSI/AAAAAAAAFkw/ucINFuG1jfo/s1600-h/newspaperclipping2.jpg)
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: Chefpyro on May 24, 2007, 08:03:42 PM
Locke
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: JBRam on May 24, 2007, 08:11:14 PM
My guess is Locke. A lot of you have already heard why, but for those of you not in the "loop" (and believe me, unless you want 50 messages in an hour, you don't want to be there) here it is

Jack said he was neither friend nor family. This narrows it down to the men on the island that he wouldn't consider a friend or family, and which haven't died yet.

This consists of Ben, Locke, Sawyer, and possibly Sayid, although I think Jack would consider Sayid a friend.

Kate was keeping someone waiting when she met Jack. That means she was living with someone. Since she only said "him" instead of a name, I'm assuming that Jack knows who he is. That means he is from the island. Kate has had relationships wiht Jack, Sawyer, Sayid, and Charlie, with the most prominent one being Sawyer. If Kate was with Sawyer, then Sawyer is not in the coffin.

No one showed up to the funeral. That means the person had no family or friends. If this is a person from the island, then the majority of people would at least have one person there who knew them. Sawyer had Kate and his daughter (if he ever finds her). Sayid has Nadia. Ben has no one, and Locke has no one. Most people will probably think of Locke as a traitor.

I doubt that Jack allows Ben to leave the island.

This narrows it down to Locke, or someone we haven't met yet. I feel confident that it is Locke.


I agree to a point, but why would Locke want off the island? I would think he'd kill himself before being forced to leave. Ben, however, is a prisoner as of now and I can see Jack dragging him back with everyone else. Ben in the real world would definitely have no friends, no money, no education and no way to get a job...forcing him to maybe live in a poorer part of town. I think it's Ben.
This is the one point that bothers me. Locke does not want to get off the island. Maybe Jack convinces him to come along. I mean, Locke couldn't stop Jack from making the phone call. Locke is responsible for the death of the Eyeland. I still say it is Locke. Ben is most likely dead at this point.

^ you're brilliant :)
Thank you very much, JMart.
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: nikarro on May 24, 2007, 08:14:03 PM
I think it is Ben, I can't see anyone else who Kate would have seemed so sickened by the thought of going to the funeral, except Juliet and she would have at least had her sister there.
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: JBRam on May 24, 2007, 08:14:44 PM
I think it is Ben, I can't see anyone else who Kate would have seemed so sickened by the thought of going to the funeral, except Juliet and she would have at least had her sister there.
I don't think Kate was sickened at the thought. I think she considered going, then thought better of it
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: pauinha6 on May 24, 2007, 08:16:29 PM
It looked to me that Kate was like "ME?? Why would I go to his funeral??"
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: JBRam on May 24, 2007, 08:18:12 PM
(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m299/JBRam_2002/newspaperclipping2.jpg)
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: JBRam on May 24, 2007, 08:21:16 PM
It looked to me that Kate was like "ME?? Why would I go to his funeral??"
I could be wrong... I need to watch the epi again.

I am not sure whether we can really trust the props... We have seen gross mistakes in them before, like a cardiogram showing that Rachel had cancer. And that she was an enormously large male.

But I think there IS a possibility of this being a good screencap. And it does say Jo-- Making me think it's either John or James.
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: Madam P on May 24, 2007, 08:23:58 PM
My first thought was Juliet, too, but after seeing the screencap of the news article, it's definitely a man whose name is reported as being J----  ---antham or ---entham.  If we go along with the speculation Sledge wrote about Jeremy Bentham, then I think that fits in very well with Ben.  So my current thought is that whatever Jack did to get people off the island (which won't happen next season, I don't think -- there will be conflict with the boat people, but by calling on that phone Jack set things in motion) was the wrong thing to do for some reason.  Maybe tons of people get killed or something.  He knows now that Ben (and Locke) were right in trying to stop him, and feels guilty (the "forgive me" before getting ready to jump off the bridge.)  He went to the funeral to apologize.  Kate wouldn't want to go because, hey, it's crazy Bug-Eyes, right?

The coffin appeared to me to be what is referred to as a "pauper's coffin" -- just a very basic no-frills pine-box coffin that funeral homes use to bury homeless people or people with no money/family, etc.  The state will pay for the "funeral" of people like that.  Actually often they are cremated, box and all, but they have to put the body somewhere until it's disposed of -- health laws and all -- hence the box.  It therefore appears smaller than the cushioned vacuum-sealed type coffins we're used to seeing in modern times.  Coffins in Victorian times resembled that. 
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: pauinha6 on May 24, 2007, 08:25:14 PM
I dunno

I though Juliet at first, but know i don't anymore...

Maybe Jacob...

but i'm thinking maybe we don't know that yet... maybe someone else that's trying to get back on the island like Jack (hence the aparent suicide)....
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: Nancy Drew on May 24, 2007, 08:26:21 PM
I think it was John, but it could also be Juliet.  She could have married someone with the last name that appears there.  That would also explain why Kate wouldn't go to the funeral.  
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: JBRam on May 24, 2007, 08:26:43 PM
hmmm.... Locke never wanted to leave, so he might have been trying to get back...

They said he a few times, so it isn't Juliet.
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: toadsage on May 24, 2007, 08:26:56 PM
looks like its says lantham for last name but i could be wrong
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: goober on May 24, 2007, 08:29:38 PM
Begins with "Jo" and ends with "antham". I'm betting it's someone that we have not met yet.

Not a member of Jack's family or anyone he considers to be a friend. Unless Locke changes his name in the future, It's not him.
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: pauinha6 on May 24, 2007, 08:29:58 PM
Yes, it says something ---entham , could be last name, or like some other word (help me here) that continues    ..."of New York"
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: jec9000 on May 24, 2007, 08:31:15 PM
It was Michael in the coffin.  

My reasons? When I saw the funeral director my first thought was it could be Michael.  Then when Kate acted so incredulous about going to the funeral/viewing, I figured it had to be somebody really loathsome, so putting two and two together I surmised it was Michael.  With all the unanswered questions out there about where everybody is in the "now", why couldn't it be Michael?
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: JBRam on May 24, 2007, 08:32:17 PM
{B}antham could be a place in New York. There looks like there's enough fold to type John Locke in Banthan of New York... or something like that.
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: pauinha6 on May 24, 2007, 08:33:28 PM
Michael does not begin with J... !

(http://bp0.blogger.com/_RrObyQ3XzcY/RlUe-1YihSI/AAAAAAAAFkw/ucINFuG1jfo/s1600-h/newspaperclipping2.jpg)
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: pauinha6 on May 24, 2007, 08:34:43 PM
Yes, that could be it too...

I thought of that, we really need to see that news paper, this will lead to madness for months till next season ::)
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: Madam P on May 24, 2007, 08:45:29 PM
I voted Ben.

I'm going with the speculation on the SWLS home page that the name in the news article is Jeremy Bentham, and it's an alias used by somebody who got off the island.  TPTB like to use names of philosophers, (John Locke, etc...) and this Jeremy Bentham's bio about the prison philosophy really fits in with Ben.  I'll guess Ben was somehow forced by Jack to accompany them off the island as punishment.  He took an alias name, but couldn't function off-island, so he hung himself.  Jack feels guilty because something happens in Season 4 or 5 that proves Ben was right in trying to stop Jack from contacting the boat, and Jack goes to the funeral to apologize (like on the bridge "Forgive me"...{I'm an idiot, you really WERE the good guys...})

Kate seemed to me to be reacting like "ME?  WHAT?  Why in the world would I ever go to HIS funeral?" and her face seemed to harden like she hated him.  She'd hate Ben after all he did to her.

Ben probably wouldn't have any family attend his funeral (Alex maybe?  Unless she's toast... which would be another reason for his suicide...) and he would be considered neither friend nor family by Jack.

So I'll stick with Ben.  For now.   :)
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: Optimus J on May 24, 2007, 09:49:02 PM
By the size of the coffin I would risk Ben. Jack want to go back on the island, and he just lost the only link.
Besides no one showed up and Kate had a "who cares" posture about the demise.
That made me think immediately on Ben.
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: Gordon Shumway on May 24, 2007, 09:50:09 PM
My guess is Locke. A lot of you have already heard why, but for those of you not in the "loop" (and believe me, unless you want 50 messages in an hour, you don't want to be there) here it is

Jack said he was neither friend nor family. This narrows it down to the men on the island that he wouldn't consider a friend or family, and which haven't died yet.

This consists of Ben, Locke, Sawyer, and possibly Sayid, although I think Jack would consider Sayid a friend.

Kate was keeping someone waiting when she met Jack. That means she was living with someone. Since she only said "him" instead of a name, I'm assuming that Jack knows who he is. That means he is from the island. Kate has had relationships wiht Jack, Sawyer, Sayid, and Charlie, with the most prominent one being Sawyer. If Kate was with Sawyer, then Sawyer is not in the coffin.

No one showed up to the funeral. That means the person had no family or friends. If this is a person from the island, then the majority of people would at least have one person there who knew them. Sawyer had Kate and his daughter (if he ever finds her). Sayid has Nadia. Ben has no one, and Locke has no one. Most people will probably think of Locke as a traitor.

I doubt that Jack allows Ben to leave the island.

This narrows it down to Locke, or someone we haven't met yet. I feel confident that it is Locke.

Makes the most sense.  I voted this way.
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: Holland34 on May 24, 2007, 09:56:26 PM
{B}antham could be a place in New York. There looks like there's enough fold to type John Locke in Banthan of New York... or something like that.

I don't think I have ever seen a newspaper refer to a city as XXX of {State} (eg, Los Angeles of California).  So it seems to me that the "ntham" would have to be part of the last name.  Plus, it's a lot easier to say that it's no one we've met because that opens up the odds to millions!  So I went with the odds... no one we've met yet.   :)
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: jugdish on May 24, 2007, 10:01:17 PM
You made a few assumptions there JB. Why can't Kates guy be someone we do not know, some one not on the island. Jack has kept in contact with Kate, he would know whoever she was with at least know who she is talking about.

We have 3 years of shows left, there could be many more people who they interact with on the island that we do not know.

Your reasoning is pretty good, but it is incomplete because of unknowns. Even Sayid has Nadia, they have not been in contact since he let her go in Iraq. Not sure if she is waiting around for him.
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: gnychis on May 24, 2007, 10:32:38 PM
Heres an idea...

One cliffhanger of the season was whether or not Kate is pregnant.  Her tent was marked (I think), and she was supposed to be checked.  We know she slept with Sawyer, and then they argue over whether or not she is pregnant.  He says something along the lines where she better hope she isn't.  It seems as though he is at the point where he is completely dismissing her.  She is upset over this.

When they get off the island, time passes, Kate finds out she is pregnant, and it is his baby.  However Sawyer is back out in the world, and he always believed people never change... so she's likely out conning people and he will not spend time with Kate.  For this, Kate is bitter at Sawyer.  Sawyer ends up dying in a con, and Jack is the only one to attend the funeral.  No one else knows who he is, or even what his real name is to recognize it in the paper, aside from the Losties who learned his real name.  This is why no one shows up... and he was never family or friend to Jack... but he still went hoping to see Kate there.

In the final scene, Kate asks why she would go, considering she ended on bad terms with him. 
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: psychoag98 on May 24, 2007, 10:39:42 PM
I suppose it is possible, but unlikely.  His real name was James Ford.  That is not what the paper said.  It could be another alias, but I don't see that.
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: ChellyKins on May 24, 2007, 10:57:33 PM
Your options and my thoughts:
Locke Why would Locke have NO ONE at his funeral? And I don't think the coffin was large enough for John Locke. Locke would have a few more people at his funeral.

Sawyer Again, the size bothers me. And I don't think Sawyer would have NO ONE there as well. His current "con" would even join in mourning the death. AND...would Jack REALLY cry over Sawyer's death? I wouldn't think so, but I could be wrong.

Walt  Where's his family? He'd have someone as well.

Jacob I don't see Jack becoming emotional of this death either.

Ben  Jack WOULD cry if he didn't CAUSE Ben's death. But not OVER his death. IMO.

Someone we have not met yet

Other/Not Listed (Please explain)

Last two are more possible in my book. I chose Someone we haven't met yet.
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: Nancy Drew on May 24, 2007, 11:00:08 PM
I know exactly who that is in the coffin!!  Although we don't know his/her name, this person is the one who started the Christian Lives movement back in Season 1!!  They were lynched by SWLSers!! 
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: pauinha6 on May 24, 2007, 11:04:42 PM
LOLOLOL
ND

I'm with you!!!

(just don't keep telling out loud that we murdered someone.. ;))
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: Nancy Drew on May 24, 2007, 11:05:37 PM
 ;)
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: thebeann on May 24, 2007, 11:19:59 PM
I think it's Ben. Ben will have to work with the losties to battle whatever evil force Naomi is bringing to the island. Jack will come to understand why Ben cannot let anyone leave (outside of his group) nor let anyone in. They will become friends. Everyone else will still look at Ben as the evil Other but I think Ben's motives will turn out to be noble.
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: pauinha6 on May 24, 2007, 11:22:30 PM
NO noble motives for murdering ppl like it's Aushwitz all over again!!!

Ben does not care about the lives of anyone but himself!

He murdered the dharma iniciative ppl, losties, tailies, even others!!


No nobility in that!
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: Nancy Drew on May 24, 2007, 11:25:17 PM
NO noble motives for murdering ppl like it's Aushwitz all over again!!!

Ben does not care about the lives of anyone but himself!

He murdered the dharma iniciative ppl, losties, tailies, even others!!


No nobility in that!

I agree!!  Plus, I don't see Ben leaving that island alive.  My guess would be that he'd rather kill himself than leave.  But he also said that the boat people would never let them leave alive.  Since Ben is the leader, they would kill him just because of the trouble he's started.
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: pauinha6 on May 24, 2007, 11:26:48 PM
Yup, i think ben will die on the island too

Locke probably the same...
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: WhiteWolf on May 24, 2007, 11:28:22 PM
It could be Ben, if he was forced off the island. However, when Jack is standing at the coffin and pill pops he says something and it almost sounds like he is saying "hello dad". Anyone hear that bit?
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: Nancy Drew on May 24, 2007, 11:32:00 PM
I didn't catch that.  But I wouldn't think it was Christian because for 1--Jack already knows he is dead so he wouldn't be shocked about it all over again, and 2--Wouldn't there be people at his funeral?  Jack's mom would be there, his colleagues, his AA friends, etc.
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: lostandfree on May 24, 2007, 11:38:11 PM
It could be Ben, if he was forced off the island. However, when Jack is standing at the coffin and pill pops he says something and it almost sounds like he is saying "hello dad". Anyone hear that bit?

I think he said, "damnit" or something similar because he only had one pill left.
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: pauinha6 on May 24, 2007, 11:40:57 PM

I think he said, "damnit" or something similar because he only had one pill left.


YUP, that was it
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: WhiteWolf on May 24, 2007, 11:48:13 PM
Ahh, so that's what Jack said. Thanks! Speakers can only pick up so much on this laptop. It has to be Ben then, everyone is starting to really really question him now and he's losing face big time. If it's a poor man's coffin, no-thrills funeral, it all makes sense. Ben didn't have a life outside the island and whatever friends he had on the island... he's losing, lost.
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: bhn on May 25, 2007, 12:46:48 AM
am I crazy to think its jacob? the obit starts with a J...it cant be jack, and the only other J person we know of yet is Jacob...it could also be someone we dont know, I mean iunno maybe jacob becomes regular when hes "freed"
would someone like to totally destroy this idea?
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: JBRam on May 25, 2007, 12:48:56 AM
am I crazy to think its jacob? the obit starts with a J...it cant be jack, and the only other J person we know of yet is Jacob...it could also be someone we dont know, I mean iunno maybe jacob becomes regular when hes "freed"
would someone like to totally destroy this idea?
We also have JOHN Locke and JAMES (Sawyer) Ford
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: pauinha6 on May 25, 2007, 12:50:11 AM
well, juliet could be a man in disguise

LOLOLOLOL

(and for all of you who take every little thing literally, i am joking)
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: JBRam on May 25, 2007, 12:54:41 AM
LOL

Good thing you put that joking part there, cause some people actually believe that! :D

Whjich would make Goodwin our gay character, wouldn't it?

Unless he's really a female! :o
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: pauinha6 on May 25, 2007, 12:57:10 AM
oh no, he's gay actually

not mr. friendly

Tom is kinda hot himself

and for the record (real) i'm sad sawyer killed him, he was kind of a good guy....
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: bhn on May 25, 2007, 12:58:10 AM
am I crazy to think its jacob? the obit starts with a J...it cant be jack, and the only other J person we know of yet is Jacob...it could also be someone we dont know, I mean iunno maybe jacob becomes regular when hes "freed"
would someone like to totally destroy this idea?
We also have JOHN Locke and JAMES (Sawyer) Ford
yea but the last names dont match
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: JBRam on May 25, 2007, 12:58:43 AM
Same here, Paula. I was getting to like Tom.

But not in that way

Not that there's anything wrong with that :D
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: JBRam on May 25, 2007, 12:59:08 AM
am I crazy to think its jacob? the obit starts with a J...it cant be jack, and the only other J person we know of yet is Jacob...it could also be someone we dont know, I mean iunno maybe jacob becomes regular when hes "freed"
would someone like to totally destroy this idea?
We also have JOHN Locke and JAMES (Sawyer) Ford
yea but the last names dont match
I think the "name" we see was actually a place, not a name
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: pauinha6 on May 25, 2007, 01:01:11 AM
Same here, Paula. I was getting to like Tom.

But not in that way

Not that there's anything wrong with that :D

OMG

i didn't mean hot as yummy, just that he is not repulsive like ben (evil) or ryan (nice is dead, took them long though)
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: JBRam on May 25, 2007, 01:02:44 AM
Yeah, I was hoping they'd get rif of Ryan but keep Tom alive. they had two unnecessary killings, and they should have killed Bernard, imho.
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: bhn on May 25, 2007, 01:19:31 AM
am I crazy to think its jacob? the obit starts with a J...it cant be jack, and the only other J person we know of yet is Jacob...it could also be someone we dont know, I mean iunno maybe jacob becomes regular when hes "freed"
would someone like to totally destroy this idea?
We also have JOHN Locke and JAMES (Sawyer) Ford
yea but the last names dont match
I think the "name" we see was actually a place, not a name
I don't believe so as they do mention he died somewhere on grand avenue in NY
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: mayarishi on May 25, 2007, 01:49:32 AM
currently i think it is Locke.
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: RM on May 25, 2007, 04:34:29 AM
If Naomi is from Dharma, it would explain Ben's comment that she's come to kill everybody on the island (but it doesn't explain why she has a picture of Desmond & Penny, unless Dharma/Mr. Widmore are the same). Off-island Dharma knew there was a conflict with the Hostiles (there was a fail-safe at Mikhail's station). Off-island Dharma assumed there were still some on-island Dharmites still alive (that was Mikhail's original mission?) because they kept sending food drops. When Locke blew up Mikhail's station, that could have prompted off-island Dharma to assume the worst and send a mission to kill all the on-island people they find (whom they would assume were all Hostiles).

Ben can talk his way off the island because he is actually Dharma (and should be on a registry of names of all of the on-island Dharmites), but I don't get why Ben would voluntarily leave the island. The Losties can get off the island if they can convince whoever comes that they aren't Hostiles.

I don't think Locke would voluntarily leave the island since he'd be paralized again (but that would explain a suicide hanging).

Jack could be crying over Ben's death if Ben represented Jack's last chance at finding the island again. Don't get why Jack would expect Kate to come to Ben's funeral, so that points more to Locke or Sawyer.

I don't get why Kate isn't in jail in the flash forward unless she returned under an assumed name of a dead Lostie.

Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: musepsycho on May 25, 2007, 04:44:06 AM
My guess is Locke. A lot of you have already heard why, but for those of you not in the "loop" (and believe me, unless you want 50 messages in an hour, you don't want to be there) here it is

Jack said he was neither friend nor family. This narrows it down to the men on the island that he wouldn't consider a friend or family, and which haven't died yet.

This consists of Ben, Locke, Sawyer, and possibly Sayid, although I think Jack would consider Sayid a friend.

Kate was keeping someone waiting when she met Jack. That means she was living with someone. Since she only said "him" instead of a name, I'm assuming that Jack knows who he is. That means he is from the island. Kate has had relationships wiht Jack, Sawyer, Sayid, and Charlie, with the most prominent one being Sawyer. If Kate was with Sawyer, then Sawyer is not in the coffin.

No one showed up to the funeral. That means the person had no family or friends. If this is a person from the island, then the majority of people would at least have one person there who knew them. Sawyer had Kate and his daughter (if he ever finds her). Sayid has Nadia. Ben has no one, and Locke has no one. Most people will probably think of Locke as a traitor.

I doubt that Jack allows Ben to leave the island.

This narrows it down to Locke, or someone we haven't met yet. I feel confident that it is Locke.

There's no way we can tell for sure yet! This was a flash forward, & we don't know the time frame or how relationships will develop on (or even off) the island. I just feel like saying remember: we're all speculating!

BTW. My first thought was it's Ben, but I'm not really convinced.
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: lostieloo on May 25, 2007, 10:10:32 AM
I really think it's someone other than Ben/Locke etc.  Every time I see the above shot of Jack and the coffin, it strikes me just how small that coffin is.  I kept thinking, "Either that isn't an average sized adult, or someone's legs got chopped off." 
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: gjohnson on May 25, 2007, 10:27:50 AM
Okay, picture this: The coffin was as empty as the last one we saw on Lost! Locke fakes his death to return to the island!
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: Pegasus on May 25, 2007, 11:14:30 AM
It was Michael.
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: laklost on May 25, 2007, 11:14:40 AM
I'm voting for Jacob.

The info that is floating around about the name in the paper being Jeremy Bentham and his prison design system (I have no idea how to grab a website and attach -- I'm a computer IDIOT! >:() - but there's a good thread going in this section on it...

and the split dimension suggestions...

and the "Help me"....

and Locke's connection to Jacob...

and his failed attempt to stop Jack from leaving....

all are beginning to make me think that Jack's TRUE GOAL (because obviously him achieving getting everyone rescued is a FALSE GOAL) is to save Jacob/Jeremy and get him out of his prison.

And if a prison is cleared, and everyone is freed and redeemed and the sins and wrongs are washed away,

we're left with the opposite of hell.

I'm knocked out!
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: therealsawyer on May 25, 2007, 11:48:23 AM
Jack was upset and was going to kill himself when he read about the death...I think it had to be someone he thought could help him return to the island...his last chance to return.

For this reason I say Ben or Locke..I don't think Locke would ever leave the island, he enjoys walking and can be a little obsesive.  Ben I can see getting banished from the island, living like someone in a winess protection plan (name change, ethnic neighborhood) but wanting to retun.

It could be someone that we don't know...perhaps Jacob...but Jack expected Kate to be there as well.  So I think it has to be someone we know.
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: laklost on May 25, 2007, 11:52:50 AM
I agree with you,

but I like to think that Jack's ultimate goal is to get to that shack in the jungle and save Jacob.

We haven't seen the end of Jacob yet.

I have a feeling that by the time we've seen 3 more years of Lost that Jacob is going to be a prime character.  He might not look or smell any better  :P by the end, but the key to his survival is the key to all of their survival.
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: Ladybug on May 25, 2007, 11:58:24 AM
Your options and my thoughts:
Locke Why would Locke have NO ONE at his funeral? And I don't think the coffin was large enough for John Locke. Locke would have a few more people at his funeral.

Sawyer Again, the size bothers me. And I don't think Sawyer would have NO ONE there as well. His current "con" would even join in mourning the death. AND...would Jack REALLY cry over Sawyer's death? I wouldn't think so, but I could be wrong.

Walt  Where's his family? He'd have someone as well.

Jacob I don't see Jack becoming emotional of this death either.

Ben  Jack WOULD cry if he didn't CAUSE Ben's death. But not OVER his death. IMO.

Someone we have not met yet

Other/Not Listed (Please explain)

Last two are more possible in my book. I chose Someone we haven't met yet.
exactly what i was thinking michelle.
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: Asmodean on May 25, 2007, 12:03:29 PM
I initially thought Michael just because the area of town shown.  Great theory about Locke though.  Imagine how pissed he must have been at Jack.
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: Geronimo Jackson on May 25, 2007, 12:04:16 PM
Jack was upset and was going to kill himself when he read about the death...I think it had to be someone he thought could help him return to the island...his last chance to return.

For this reason I say Ben or Locke..I don't think Locke would ever leave the island, he enjoys walking and can be a little obsesive.  Ben I can see getting banished from the island, living like someone in a winess protection plan (name change, ethnic neighborhood) but wanting to retun.

It could be someone that we don't know...perhaps Jacob...but Jack expected Kate to be there as well.  So I think it has to be someone we know.

Ia gree with openign sentence but as we know form investigations the ameisJeremy Betham and formwhta oenbrillant poster postedaboutthisphiospher and fmaed jurist desingning a prison where the prisoners didn'tknw they werein prisonI would say the guy in the coffin is the guy who got them off the island (now did he just get Kate, and Jack and possibly Sawyer if kate is married ot Sawyer or did he get all of them).
So we have yet to meet this person.
but he obvioulsy told them as Jack said he was tired of lying and kate is used to lying and would have to lie as she coudl still be arrested for murdering her dad, that they could never discuss what went on on the island.

 is this guy friedn orfoe,w e don'tknow.

 Jack siad to fuenrladirectorhewasneither a friedn orfamily memeber tothis guy which elads metobeleivehehardly knew him;.This guy this Jeremy betham, was the key offthe island and Jack'sonly key abck tothe island.

It WOULD NOT Be John locke.Locke would be like Rousseau and stay on the island.
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: nikarro on May 25, 2007, 12:25:31 PM
I think Jack WOULD CRY OVER BEN'S death if he realized that Ben had truly been trying to help and really been one of the good-guys, and he lost because of Jack
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: casino on May 25, 2007, 12:28:18 PM
A few things:

First:  People keep referring to Jeremy Betham.  There is a high-res screencap out there that plainly shows the last portion to be ATHAM, not ETHAM.  Notwithstanding the fact that the first portion seems to be JO or JA, not JE, I think Jeremy Betham should be ruled out as a possibility, even if it does fit into the whole "philosopher" theme.

Second:  Do they actually size coffins to people?  I mean, I'm 5'9".  Would they not bury me in the same coffin they would bury a 6"2" guy?   I can see having a different coffin for a child, but I've been to a few funerals and I've never noticed significant differences in the size of an adult coffin.  Therefore, I don't think it's an indicator that Ben is in the coffin.

Third:  Again on the coffin size:  For those who think the coffin was short, were you watching on a normal television like I was, or one of those wide screens?  I ask because the coffin seemed short in the close up shots, and normal size when the shot was from the back of the room.  I think what you are seeing is a wide screen image being compressed to fit your screen, making it appear shorter.

I do agree that Ben would be a good choice, as he would have no friends or family and Jack would not consider himself to be either.  Maybe he had to take an alias because he disappeared so long ago and it would be hard to explain where he has been all this time.  But, like Juggy said, we have three seasons left.  I wouldn't struggle to fit the name to someone we have already met when we are boudn to be meeting more central characters who could be just as important to Jack.

Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: goober on May 25, 2007, 12:29:07 PM
The coffin looked child-sized to me.
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: Pepsi-Maxx on May 25, 2007, 12:30:52 PM
im pretty sure its locke, but im sure helen would have shown up and didnt it say sumit bout new york, what would locke be doing their??? ahhh these 8 months are gonna be a bastard!
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: katierum5678 on May 25, 2007, 04:51:22 PM
The name on the obituary started with the letter J, so it could be Sawyer (James Ford) or Juliette. But I think it's more likely to be Sawyer, because Juliette had a sister who would have gone to her funeral, and she most likely had friends off the island, too. Sawyer didn't have anybody to go to his funeral. 
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: ozman776 on May 25, 2007, 04:57:27 PM
another name being thrown around is "micheals"... being he was from new york and why he didnt have any immediate family if he possibly changed his name when he returned as to not be connected with the flight and of course not be prosecuted for the murder of anna and libby....
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: Optimus J on May 25, 2007, 04:59:55 PM
Not only that. the dead guy have a teenage son, and lived in a loft, the kind of home of choice of Mike.
And I almost forgot... Kate despise him for the treason too...
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: LostAndSeek on May 25, 2007, 06:15:22 PM
Not only that. the dead guy have a teenage son, and lived in a loft, the kind of home of choice of Mike.
And I almost forgot... Kate despise him for the treason too...

Yeah, that's pretty convincing. Also the funeral home appears to be in a largely African American neighborhood. And it'd make sense if Michael spun into heavy depression after a double murder and betrayal of his friends. He could be using an alias for any number of reasons:
 1. He got back on his own, but doesn't want to use his own name 'cause it'll raise questions that, if answered, result in people (including Walt) discovering the double homicide.
  2. He got picked up by somebody powerful (Dharma, Others on assignment, somebody else) who want to keep the island secret. Sure we'll take you back but you need to take on a new life and never mention the island again.

Jack would be surprised that Walt wasn't there.

Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: DirtyMaggieMae on May 25, 2007, 06:38:21 PM
Found this at DarkUFO, apparently this is the article, as posted by someone on the fuselage:

"The body of John Lantham of New York was found shortly after 4 am in the 4300 block of Grand Avenue.

Ted Worden, a doorman at the Tower Lofts complex, heard loud noises coming from the victim's loft.

Concerned for tenants' safety, he entered the loft and found the body hanging from a beam in the living room.

According to Jaime Ortiz, a police spokesman, the incident was deemed a suicide after medical tests. Latham (sic) is survived by one teenaged son.

Memorial services will be held at the Hoffs-Drawlar Funeral Home tomorrow evening."
Source: The Fuselage
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: pauinha6 on May 25, 2007, 06:50:16 PM
hey maggie, can you out up the link to that, i can't find it... :'(
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: DirtyMaggieMae on May 25, 2007, 06:53:05 PM
Ok.  I just looked up John Lantham on Wiki... and y'know what?  He was a member of the Linnean Society.  Now, this may not mean anything, but when some people on this site were trying to figure out why Ben was named "Ben Linus" someone (forgive me, I forget who) found this fellow named Carl "Carolus" Linnaeus.  He was a scientist who did major work in the field of classifying animals.  The real John Lantham was in the same field, actually named several birds!  Anyhow.  I just thought it was interesting that these paths crossed.  Ok.  I'm done.


for now

oh and link:  (it's down a ways...)

http://losteastereggs.blogspot.com
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: pauinha6 on May 25, 2007, 06:58:28 PM
Thx maggie

:)
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: DirtyMaggieMae on May 25, 2007, 07:05:11 PM
Thx maggie

:)


Mmhm! No problem

I don't know why Jack would be so shook up about this John Lantham character unless someone he knows changed the name. ?
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: pauinha6 on May 25, 2007, 07:09:42 PM
yes, i think so too...

or, that is someone who we don't know yet....
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: toadsage on May 25, 2007, 08:29:01 PM
maggie that lik was great.

did you notice the book on the table beside the coffin? bens diary perhaps?
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: pauinha6 on May 25, 2007, 08:59:11 PM
I only saw that book there on the screencaps, never actually notice on the show.. ;P

Must watch epi again ;)
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: Holland34 on May 25, 2007, 09:53:46 PM
oh and link:  (it's down a ways...)

http://losteastereggs.blogspot.com

Thanks Maggie!  For those of us that don't peruse the other sites much, this is great!
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: WhiteWolf on May 25, 2007, 11:49:39 PM
Great link, thanks! So... this is a new person maybe or someone who changed their name and has a son. Wow, I'm baffled but then again, this is Lost. :)
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: Lost_Is_My_Favorite on May 26, 2007, 12:00:07 AM
Just because Jack phoned someone doesn't mean they are getting off the island just yet.  It can be a while before that actually happens.  Which means there is a lot of things and people that can change until that day.   

I think it could be Locke, Ben or Michael.  Michael may have changed his name to avoid being known by media.  Really any of them could.  If Locke makes it off the island, my guess is he is being forced off the island by the rescuers.  That would certainly force him to be miserable and want to kill himself since he never wanted to leave.

As far as the coffin looking small.  I thought it looked to be about the right size for an adult.  I think the way the camera angles were makes it look smaller than it is. But I guess we'll find out eventually.  LOL

In this epi we get to see 3 men at their lowest points, in contemplating suicide.  Locke, Jack and maybe Ben with what he knew was happening with losing control. Just a thing I wanted to mention since the man in the article killed himself.
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: pauinha6 on May 26, 2007, 12:09:22 AM
yup, that was a very "deadly" epi!

Charlie died
10 Others died, includind Mr. friendly (Tom)
Mikail died (finally!)
Charlie's Angels (Bond girls) died
Naomi died
Jack and Locke were suicidal
J...antham killed himself

am i forgettin' someone?
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: scrod on May 26, 2007, 12:19:36 AM
Mikail died (finally!)
maybe...
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: pauinha6 on May 26, 2007, 12:21:55 AM
Oh no!!!

Not patchy again

I will go to island myself to kill him !!!!!

LOL

please don't start a Mikail is alive thread (i can't take any more Chris is alive, if we start with Mikail now, i will have a stroke)

you are joking right?
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: scrod on May 26, 2007, 12:32:07 AM
Not joking, but I will not start any damned 'is so and so dead and/or lying' threads!
 
Puleeze give me some credit!
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: DirtyMaggieMae on May 26, 2007, 12:35:11 PM
I first voted for someone not listed because I've heard some convincing arguments for it being Juliet.  It would explain why Jack was upset, why Kate didn't care, and if it was Juliet's sister and nephew that Jack saved they wouldn't be at the funeral.  But after reading some of these posts, I'm leaning more towards Micheal. 

It would make sense that Micheal would change his name.  Remember at the Pala Ferry?  Micheal said something like "what makes you think I won't tell people about this island?" and Ben says something like "because then you'd have to answer for what you've done."  Perhaps to avoid all that, he changed his name.  It would also explain the presense of Walt on the island.  He wanted Locke to stop Jack from making the call, because if they were saved (like the flashback shows) then Micheal will die and end up in that coffin.  Walt wanted to save his dad.  Maybe that is why no one was at the funeral?  Walt was sending himself back through time to talk to Locke! (?)  Since Jack knew Micheal was able to get off the island through another form (the boat, Losties left on a plane/helicopter) he wanted to talk with him about possible ways to get back- what experiences Micheal went through to leave the island. 
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: toadsage on May 26, 2007, 12:39:26 PM
yup, that was a very "deadly" epi!

Charlie died
10 Others died, includind Mr. friendly (Tom)
Mikail died (finally!)
Charlie's Angels (Bond girls) died
Naomi died
Jack and Locke were suicidal
J...antham killed himself

am i forgettin' someone?

is she really dead tho. i know she got knifed in the back , but locke got shot in the gut soo.
why is this so confusing
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: JBRam on May 26, 2007, 12:51:10 PM
It certainly looked like she was dead to me.
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: toadsage on May 26, 2007, 12:53:06 PM
It certainly looked like she was dead to me.

mikail looked even deader ( i know ) with a spear in his chest, but he still blew chas up.
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: DirtyMaggieMae on May 26, 2007, 12:56:51 PM
I hope Naomi is dead.  We already got rid of one whiny islander (Shannon) and we don't need a replacement complaining about how much her back hurts!
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: JBRam on May 26, 2007, 01:02:27 PM
I hope Naomi is dead.  We already got rid of one whiny islander (Shannon) and we don't need a replacement complaining about how much her back hurts!
LOL

Plus her voice is more annoying than Shannon's and she isn't half as good looking :)
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: toadsage on May 26, 2007, 01:04:41 PM
I hope Naomi is dead.  We already got rid of one whiny islander (Shannon) and we don't need a replacement complaining about how much her back hurts!
LOL

Plus her voice is more annoying than Shannon's and she isn't half as good looking :)

ill disagree with you there. she is hot and the accent makes her hotter. i mean shes no sun but shell do in a pinch ;)
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: JBRam on May 26, 2007, 01:09:02 PM
Oh, but so would Kate and Claire! :D
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: Lost_Is_My_Favorite on May 26, 2007, 04:03:41 PM
Now that Charlie is gone, Claire is going to need a new baby daddy.  You steppin' up JBRam?  hee hee
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: JBRam on May 26, 2007, 05:41:11 PM
Wouldn't mind that at all!

Hey, TPTB! If you need an actor on the rescue choppers to get stranded on the island and fall in love with Claire... (calling school and cancelling classes for the next two semesters...) I currently have an opening!
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: pauinha6 on May 26, 2007, 09:05:05 PM
Changin' one little hobbit for another?!

I think they'll be up to it, send them your resumé LOL
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: JBRam on May 26, 2007, 09:06:19 PM
:D

Let's see... I've been that guy in the background who is collecting donations for Christmas in a stage production of A Christmas Carol... a Private in a one-act... hmmm :D
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: Lost_Is_My_Favorite on May 26, 2007, 11:05:55 PM
Wouldn't mind that at all!

Hey, TPTB! If you need an actor on the rescue choppers to get stranded on the island and fall in love with Claire... (calling school and cancelling classes for the next two semesters...) I currently have an opening!

LOL  I bet your phone will be ringing off the hook!

:D

Let's see... I've been that guy in the background who is collecting donations for Christmas in a stage production of A Christmas Carol... a Private in a one-act... hmmm :D

Are you going to school for acting or production?   
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: JBRam on May 26, 2007, 11:12:41 PM
Engineering

:D
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: Lost_Is_My_Favorite on May 26, 2007, 11:19:50 PM
Engineering

:D

Bwaaaaaaa hahahahahahaha   Uh, my guess was way off!  LOL  Congrats on the engagement by the way! 
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: JBRam on May 26, 2007, 11:21:06 PM
Thanks!

Those plays were from highschool!
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: laklost on May 27, 2007, 03:58:35 PM
Hate to break up the hilarity...

But I've got a deep thought here about the coffin.

I think it was Jack's coffin.  I think no one came because he took them away from Paradisio.

I think the book on the table is the Diary of an Unwritten Life -- his own.

It was a Scrooge moment -- when the Ghost of Christmas Future shows Ebenezer his own grave.

Remember how much the writers love Dickens -- hasn't Des read the book already?

I'm voting for Jack Shepherd's coffin.
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: JBRam on May 27, 2007, 04:32:31 PM
hrm...

I don't see this as happening. If it was a Ghost o Christmas thing, then the funeral director guy wouldn' be able to see or hear him. Plus the enitre FFW didn't play out like it at all.

That would leave the only possibility of Jack NOT being beside himself. :D If Jack is in the coffin, then according to the laws of physics, he cannot be OUTSIDE the coffin as well.
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: laklost on May 27, 2007, 09:03:05 PM
hrm...

I don't see this as happening. If it was a Ghost o Christmas thing, then the funeral director guy wouldn' be able to see or hear him. Plus the enitre FFW didn't play out like it at all.

That would leave the only possibility of Jack NOT being beside himself. :D If Jack is in the coffin, then according to the laws of physics, he cannot be OUTSIDE the coffin as well.

It was a vision!  Remember Des with Clock Lady?  Oh, Jack is beside himself for sure! LOL ;D
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: Lost_Is_My_Favorite on May 27, 2007, 11:45:24 PM
Then how was Jack meeting with Kate and telling her he thought she would go to the funeral?  We all know what she said.  But that makes no sense that he's dead, and taking drugs and setting up meetings about wanting to go back to the island and make things right.  I don't get it. 
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: misseko815 on May 27, 2007, 11:51:42 PM
Sorry Laklost, I'm with Lostismyfav!
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: JBRam on May 28, 2007, 12:39:30 AM
Exactly, LIMF...If Jack showed Kate the obit, would she say "why would I go to that funeral" to him? I doubt it.
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: thinkinglost on May 28, 2007, 02:35:46 AM
Ben,because he havn't family,friends.
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: JBRam on May 28, 2007, 02:49:48 AM
That's a distinct possibility... but I'm wondering if he ever makes it off the island alive.
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: Holland34 on May 28, 2007, 04:12:41 AM
Found this at DarkUFO, apparently this is the article, as posted by someone on the fuselage:

"The body of John Lantham of New York was found shortly after 4 am in the 4300 block of Grand Avenue.

Ted Worden, a doorman at the Tower Lofts complex, heard loud noises coming from the victim's loft.

Concerned for tenants' safety, he entered the loft and found the body hanging from a beam in the living room.

According to Jaime Ortiz, a police spokesman, the incident was deemed a suicide after medical tests. Latham (sic) is survived by one teenaged son.

Memorial services will be held at the Hoffs-Drawlar Funeral Home tomorrow evening."
Source: The Fuselage

By the way... has anyone tried to play anogram with "John Lantham"?
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: captaintau on May 28, 2007, 09:02:47 AM
My thoughts (sorry, don't have the time to read the previous 13 pages, so apologies if anyone's beaten me to it):


My money is firmly on Locke. Pretty much ostracized from the Survivors, very much a part of their island experience. Possibly (retrospectively, by Jack) right about the Island.

Hence also Kate's comment. When Jack said no-one went, she asked something like "why would they?"

Yep, its Locke in the coffin.
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: thinkinglost on May 28, 2007, 09:16:48 AM
My thoughts (sorry, don't have the time to read the previous 13 pages, so apologies if anyone's beaten me to it):


My money is firmly on Locke. Pretty much ostracized from the Survivors, very much a part of their island experience. Possibly (retrospectively, by Jack) right about the Island.

Hence also Kate's comment. When Jack said no-one went, she asked something like "why would they?"

Yep, its Locke in the coffin.


I think Locke would not leave the island. :)   Ben would be dorced leave the island by Jack.
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: scrod on May 28, 2007, 09:35:17 AM
My thoughts (sorry, don't have the time to read the previous 13 pages, so apologies if anyone's beaten me to it):
My money is firmly on Locke. Pretty much ostracized from the Survivors, very much a part of their island experience. Possibly (retrospectively, by Jack) right about the Island.
Hence also Kate's comment. When Jack said no-one went, she asked something like "why would they?"

Yep, its Locke in the coffin.


I think Locke would not leave the island. :)   Ben would be dorced leave the island by Jack.
I think Ben would be dorced[sic] to leave by Jacob/the island, not Jack
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: Lost_Is_My_Favorite on May 28, 2007, 10:42:02 AM
If Ben or Locke are in that casket, they were both forced off the island and I could see no one wanting to go to either of their funerals.  The one thing that seems to go against Ben being in the casket is the "teen aged son".  Locke could possibly have a child that he had before he left for his trip.  Ben does not have that possibility since he's been on that island since he was a child.  I doubt any teens who were on the island would want to pretend to be Ben's child if they got off.  I could also see both of them killing themselves because they were forced off the island though.
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: JBRam on May 28, 2007, 11:45:30 AM
My thoughts (sorry, don't have the time to read the previous 13 pages, so apologies if anyone's beaten me to it):


My money is firmly on Locke. Pretty much ostracized from the Survivors, very much a part of their island experience. Possibly (retrospectively, by Jack) right about the Island.

Hence also Kate's comment. When Jack said no-one went, she asked something like "why would they?"

Yep, its Locke in the coffin.

I agree...

If Ben or Locke are in that casket, they were both forced off the island and I could see no one wanting to go to either of their funerals.  The one thing that seems to go against Ben being in the casket is the "teen aged son".  Locke could possibly have a child that he had before he left for his trip.  Ben does not have that possibility since he's been on that island since he was a child.  I doubt any teens who were on the island would want to pretend to be Ben's child if they got off.  I could also see both of them killing themselves because they were forced off the island though.
I'm guessing that this transcript is either a fake or a foiler. I seriously doubt that it is true.

BUT possibly the teenaged son is Walt. Maybe Locke adopted Walt when (hopefully) Michael died.
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: puff6962 on May 28, 2007, 10:48:41 PM
Jack was called a hero, again, when he rescued the woman and child in the car.  That, and the gold pass to fly anytime, means that the world new about those from flight 815 who made it back.  We must consider that, particularly with a suicide, somebody....even the press....would have taken notice and showed up to the service.  But, if it were a person who was not on 815....either Ben or Rousseau....the world would be unaware of them.  Both have been out of the country for over 16 years and the press may not have even known about either of them.

Rousseau has stated that she would not leave the island....but that may change when Alex starts wanting to see the world or gets pregnant with Karl's love child.  Ben, most adamant about protecting the island, may be Napoleon exiled to the island of Crete....or in this case, California.  He, of all those on the island, has the most to fear if another entity comes into power.  He runs, is in a world that he doesn't belong, and kills himself. 

The newspaper may give an alias in the obit, but it's Ben.
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: nikarro on May 28, 2007, 11:09:53 PM
I am leaning towards Ben because everyone else could have really went with their own name, but maybe he did not want Dharma to find him off-island so he went with a fake name. 
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: Sunflower on May 29, 2007, 01:18:33 PM
Dude, if they don't kill Ben in the end I will be so mad >:(  ;D
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: sillysab on May 29, 2007, 02:19:59 PM
It's Michael, he had to change his name due to the "cover-up" of the crash and the island that I have predicted in other threads. Kate would not go to Michael's funeral since he got them all caught by Ben and the Others which then caused the whole cascade of events that followed.
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: LostAndSeek on May 29, 2007, 03:01:20 PM
Dude, if they don't kill Ben in the end I will be so mad >:(  ;D

I think it's unlikely Ben will die at the hands of the Losties. My guess is that he'll make a plea to be set free to stay on the island. He might convince Jack, or somebody (Juliet?) might just turn him loose.
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: JBRam on May 29, 2007, 04:14:49 PM
Joy, why does Ben HAVE to die? Why can't he be redeemed?
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: DirtyMaggieMae on May 29, 2007, 07:11:43 PM
Found this at DarkUFO, apparently this is the article, as posted by someone on the fuselage:

"The body of John Lantham of New York was found shortly after 4 am in the 4300 block of Grand Avenue.

Ted Worden, a doorman at the Tower Lofts complex, heard loud noises coming from the victim's loft.

Concerned for tenants' safety, he entered the loft and found the body hanging from a beam in the living room.

According to Jaime Ortiz, a police spokesman, the incident was deemed a suicide after medical tests. Latham (sic) is survived by one teenaged son.

Memorial services will be held at the Hoffs-Drawlar Funeral Home tomorrow evening."
Source: The Fuselage

By the way... has anyone tried to play anogram with "John Lantham"?

Man!  Halt, John!
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: JBRam on May 30, 2007, 12:28:02 AM
There it is! It's Locke! LMAO
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: Holland34 on May 30, 2007, 01:42:52 AM
Found this at DarkUFO, apparently this is the article, as posted by someone on the fuselage:

"The body of John Lantham of New York was found shortly after 4 am in the 4300 block of Grand Avenue.

Ted Worden, a doorman at the Tower Lofts complex, heard loud noises coming from the victim's loft.

Concerned for tenants' safety, he entered the loft and found the body hanging from a beam in the living room.

According to Jaime Ortiz, a police spokesman, the incident was deemed a suicide after medical tests. Latham (sic) is survived by one teenaged son.

Memorial services will be held at the Hoffs-Drawlar Funeral Home tomorrow evening."
Source: The Fuselage

By the way... has anyone tried to play anogram with "John Lantham"?

Man!  Halt, John!

Crikey... how did I not see it?  Or it could be "Halt John-man"... you know, kind of like John-Boy from the Walton's, but all grown up!  :-)
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: JBRam on May 30, 2007, 01:57:50 AM
Are you saying one of the Waltons is in the coffin?

BRILLIANT! :D :D
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: Maxor127 on May 30, 2007, 04:37:33 AM
I'm starting to like the it's Michael idea.  I haven't really been analyzing or paying attention to the speculation, but if it's true that the article mentions how whoever died had a teenage son, and the funeral was in a black neighborhood (a fact I thought was irrelevant to the race of the person in the coffin at first), and it's possibly someone we already know from the show, and someone who has been carrying a lot of guilt and bad karma, then Michael seems like the best choice.

But then how would Jack know who he was if it's a character we know who is using an alias.  Maybe a picture was included in the article?  I don't know... it's a paper thin theory but it makes more sense than if it were anyone else.
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: LostAndSeek on May 30, 2007, 12:27:49 PM
I'm starting to like the it's Michael idea.  I haven't really been analyzing or paying attention to the speculation, but if it's true that the article mentions how whoever died had a teenage son, and the funeral was in a black neighborhood (a fact I thought was irrelevant to the race of the person in the coffin at first), and it's possibly someone we already know from the show, and someone who has been carrying a lot of guilt and bad karma, then Michael seems like the best choice.

But then how would Jack know who he was if it's a character we know who is using an alias.  Maybe a picture was included in the article?  I don't know... it's a paper thin theory but it makes more sense than if it were anyone else.

Yup. I really think it's Michael. A distant second is someone we haven't met yet. I wouldn't be a bit surprised if Kate is living under an alias too, but Jack's had three years to track people down.

Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: laklost on May 31, 2007, 01:36:21 AM
You all can give me a swift kick under the table -- but I really think Jack went to his own funeral.  Has anyone seen "It's a Wonderful Life"? I mean, that scene on the bridge, and him saving the lady instead of killing himself was a COMPLETE quote from that old Jimmy Stewart movie.  And in the end of the future life vision in that movie Stewart's character George asked Mary (his wife) why she didn't love him anymore when they were standing at his GRAVESTONE! (a la "not coming to his funeral"). And she had no answer for him because she NEVER KNEW him.  

I haven't had a chance to re-watch Jack and Kate's dialogue, but I do remember him saying to her, "I thought YOU would come."  It reminded me of George and Mary.  I heard it as him saying, "I was a complete f***-up on the island -- but I thought at least you would care enough to come to my funeral."  And, I'm sorry, his reaction and disappointment with the turn-out at the viewing -- wasn't that like your worst nightmare come true: "No one will care that I've died."

All right.

I'm done!
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: LostAndSeek on May 31, 2007, 09:59:35 AM
You all can give me a swift kick under the table -- but I really think Jack went to his own funeral.  Has anyone seen "It's a Wonderful Life"? I mean, that scene on the bridge, and him saving the lady instead of killing himself was a COMPLETE quote from that old Jimmy Stewart movie.  And in the end of the future life vision in that movie Stewart's character George asked Mary (his wife) why she didn't love him anymore when they were standing at his GRAVESTONE! (a la "not coming to his funeral"). And she had no answer for him because she NEVER KNEW him. 

I haven't had a chance to re-watch Jack and Kate's dialogue, but I do remember him saying to her, "I thought YOU would come."  It reminded me of George and Mary.  I heard it as him saying, "I was a complete f***-up on the island -- but I thought at least you would care enough to come to my funeral."  And, I'm sorry, his reaction and disappointment with the turn-out at the viewing -- wasn't that like your worst nightmare come true: "No one will care that I've died."

All right.

I'm done!

I agree with the bridge scene being reminiscent of Wonderful Life, but George doesn't visit his own gravestone in that movie. The whole premise is that he never lived at all.

Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: laklost on May 31, 2007, 12:47:48 PM
You all can give me a swift kick under the table -- but I really think Jack went to his own funeral.  Has anyone seen "It's a Wonderful Life"? I mean, that scene on the bridge, and him saving the lady instead of killing himself was a COMPLETE quote from that old Jimmy Stewart movie.  And in the end of the future life vision in that movie Stewart's character George asked Mary (his wife) why she didn't love him anymore when they were standing at his GRAVESTONE! (a la "not coming to his funeral"). And she had no answer for him because she NEVER KNEW him. 

I haven't had a chance to re-watch Jack and Kate's dialogue, but I do remember him saying to her, "I thought YOU would come."  It reminded me of George and Mary.  I heard it as him saying, "I was a complete f***-up on the island -- but I thought at least you would care enough to come to my funeral."  And, I'm sorry, his reaction and disappointment with the turn-out at the viewing -- wasn't that like your worst nightmare come true: "No one will care that I've died."

All right.

I'm done!

I agree with the bridge scene being reminiscent of Wonderful Life, but George doesn't visit his own gravestone in that movie. The whole premise is that he never lived at all.



I stand happily corrected.  But I'm also a blockhead enough to think that you just backed up my idea.  Jack was experiencing his own un-life!
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: LostAndSeek on May 31, 2007, 03:00:55 PM

I stand happily corrected.  But I'm also a blockhead enough to think that you just backed up my idea.  Jack was experiencing his own un-life!

Hey, it's Lost, anything can happen!!!
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: Geronimo Jackson on May 31, 2007, 03:16:08 PM
Michael
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: thebeann on May 31, 2007, 10:56:10 PM
I would agree that it's Michael.

It goes with the 'alternate future' theory floating around. In the other reality, Flight 815 crashed and there were no survivors. Somehow our Losties were able to transfer themselves to that alternative. Kate isn't a fugitive (or she never told her policeman husband and is still living hidden), Jack's dad did not die, and Michael had a different name.
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: LostAndSeek on May 31, 2007, 10:57:58 PM
After all the discussion, is there any interest in taking a new vote? One that includes Michael as an alternative?
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: JBRam on May 31, 2007, 11:02:09 PM
Ask the person who started it to edit the poll
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: puff6962 on June 01, 2007, 04:02:31 AM
I started the thread but didn't start the poll.  I'm locked out.

Oh ya, it was Michael in that coffin.  Neither, black area, teen son, nobody's there, etc.  I'm changing my vote from Ben....which made sense at the time....but the info about the article sinches it.  The writers have cast away'd Michael into eraser heaven.  May you rest in peace Michael.  If only we could have watched you suffer.
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: LostAndSeek on June 01, 2007, 11:13:54 AM
I started the thread but didn't start the poll.  I'm locked out.

Oh ya, it was Michael in that coffin.  Neither, black area, teen son, nobody's there, etc.  I'm changing my vote from Ben....which made sense at the time....but the info about the article sinches it.  The writers have cast away'd Michael into eraser heaven.  May you rest in peace Michael.  If only we could have watched you suffer.

I see Michael more as a tragic character than evil. He did what he felt he had to to save his son. The Others tortured one of the Losties to death and hung Charlie, after all. I'd have liked to see him redeemed, but the PTB and the actor had other ideas. I really think it's him in the coffin. Jack might even have said "yes" to opening the coffin if the actor had come back for the finale
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: captaintau on June 01, 2007, 12:52:03 PM
Oh ya, it was Michael in that coffin.  Neither, black area, teen son, nobody's there, etc.  I'm changing my vote from Ben....which made sense at the time....but the info about the article sinches it.  The writers have cast away'd Michael into eraser heaven.  May you rest in peace Michael.  If only we could have watched you suffer.

Lovely person. Hope I don't meet you in real life!
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: laklost on June 01, 2007, 12:52:24 PM
I started the thread but didn't start the poll.  I'm locked out.

Oh ya, it was Michael in that coffin.  Neither, black area, teen son, nobody's there, etc.  I'm changing my vote from Ben....which made sense at the time....but the info about the article sinches it.  The writers have cast away'd Michael into eraser heaven.  May you rest in peace Michael.  If only we could have watched you suffer.

I see Michael more as a tragic character than evil. He did what he felt he had to to save his son. The Others tortured one of the Losties to death and hung Charlie, after all. I'd have liked to see him redeemed, but the PTB and the actor had other ideas. I really think it's him in the coffin. Jack might even have said "yes" to opening the coffin if the actor had come back for the finale

Touche!!
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: Geronimo Jackson on June 01, 2007, 08:48:17 PM
Michael or the guy in obit who was the one who got Jack off the island and now jack has no way back, hence his wanting to killl himself.
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: talkhard on July 09, 2007, 06:04:04 PM
i think its Juliet.
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: talkhard on July 09, 2007, 06:06:10 PM
Juliet is in the coffin, for sure. Thats why Kate didn't wanna do to the Funeral home.
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: LostAndSeek on July 09, 2007, 06:48:05 PM
Juliet is in the coffin, for sure. Thats why Kate didn't wanna do to the Funeral home.

Welllll, I'm pretty sure Jack and the funeral director talk about "him" and "he".....
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: this is some crazy stuff on July 10, 2007, 07:43:58 PM
I did here that The Actor that plays Michael turned down a part to be in the season finale.  Maybe he was supposed to be in the coffin.
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: talkhard on July 12, 2007, 10:13:27 AM
i think Juilet is in the coffin. Two reason, No family came to the viewing/service AND Kate said strongly that she would not go with Jack to the service.
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: talkhard on July 12, 2007, 10:21:39 AM
Juliet is in the coffin, for sure. Thats why Kate didn't wanna do to the Funeral home.

Welllll, I'm pretty sure Jack and the funeral director talk about "him" and "he".....

Thanks for quoting me so much LAS  ;)
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: DirtyMaggieMae on July 12, 2007, 06:21:17 PM
i think Juilet is in the coffin. Two reason, No family came to the viewing/service AND Kate said strongly that she would not go with Jack to the service.


I can see why people would think it could be Juliet, but can I throw in my two cents?  She did have family, a very very close relationship with her sister.  Unless her sister already thought that Juliet was dead, I mean, wasn't she only supposed to be gone for 6 months or so?  Can't remember. Anyhow.
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: pauinha6 on July 12, 2007, 06:58:57 PM
yes, sweet maggie mae, but Juliets family was in the hospital, or so we thing (ok,i do think that, don't know if anyone else does).
IMHO is not Juliet on the casket, but it could be, cause i do believe that Jack provoked and accident to Juliets sister... the boy waiting on the hospital lounge would be about the age of Juliets sister son in 2007.... And i think there is a snapshot of the woman from the accident who actually lokks a little like Juliets sister....
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: LostAndSeek on July 12, 2007, 09:26:57 PM
yes, sweet maggie mae, but Juliets family was in the hospital, or so we thing (ok,i do think that, don't know if anyone else does).
IMHO is not Juliet on the casket, but it could be, cause i do believe that Jack provoked and accident to Juliets sister... the boy waiting on the hospital lounge would be about the age of Juliets sister son in 2007.... And i think there is a snapshot of the woman from the accident who actually lokks a little like Juliets sister....


I thought we determined that the boy was a little old for this. Juliet's son would only be about 4, wouldn't he? Also, I think the funeral director referred to the deceased with a male pronoun.
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: pauinha6 on July 13, 2007, 12:46:11 AM
probably he did, i'm not sure, but i don't really think this discussion is viable.... i think there will be quite some time before we discover the truth...... maybe too much time....

i think i'm gonna start re-watching Lost this week..... maybe when i get to season 3 i find some clues on who's in the coffin LOL

i would like to think Locke or Ben, but Juliet is maybe right.... and michael if the transcript of the obituary is accurate......

Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: talkhard on July 17, 2007, 10:26:03 PM
ya see. juliet is NOT so far fetched. It could be her in the coffin. If there is one thing i learned from this crazy show, that is anything could happen.
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: JBRam on July 17, 2007, 10:43:07 PM
Except Aliens.

Or wait! Maybe it's an ALIEN in the coffin!!! Or a clone!

It's KATE'S clone!
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: pauinha6 on July 18, 2007, 01:59:44 AM
Except Aliens.

Or wait! Maybe it's an ALIEN in the coffin!!! Or a clone!

It's KATE'S clone!
no comments on this one.... are u feeling ok Jon? are u sure? were u high?
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: JBRam on July 18, 2007, 08:10:59 PM
Except Aliens.

Or wait! Maybe it's an ALIEN in the coffin!!! Or a clone!

It's KATE'S clone!
no comments on this one.... are u feeling ok Jon? are u sure? were u high?
Paula. You know me better than that.

Of course! :D :D
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: pauinha6 on July 18, 2007, 09:51:46 PM
LOLOLOLOLOL

i knew it ;) :D ;D

:-*
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: E-Rich on July 21, 2007, 06:41:53 PM
Ben is in the coffin.  WHo else would have NO ONE there except Jack wishing he could go back to the island and telling the coffin "you were right"
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: LostAndSeek on July 21, 2007, 11:26:14 PM
Ben is in the coffin.  WHo else would have NO ONE there except Jack wishing he could go back to the island and telling the coffin "you were right"

coughMichaelcough
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: JBRam on July 22, 2007, 01:46:09 AM
or Locke
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: pauinha6 on July 22, 2007, 02:33:47 PM
or even Juliet (my first thought when i saw the epi) but i think Locke is a great choise and i bet Locke too. it just makes sense.....
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: JBRam on July 22, 2007, 10:13:01 PM
I always go with what makes sense. A lot of great mysteries eventually make sense. Except Smokey, Jacob, the Black Rock, whispers, ......
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: pauinha6 on July 22, 2007, 11:34:23 PM
right, i forget it's lost we're talking about... LOl

but i am beting on Locke to be on that coffin. just cause i know that if Locke was taken from that island he'd be the only one tryin' to get back even worser that Jack!!!

that's why i think it might be him.... hanging himself....

and i don't relly trust that "complete obituary" someone found somewhere.....

well, we'll have to wait and see right?
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: nikarro on July 23, 2007, 01:29:40 PM
right, i forget it's lost we're talking about... LOl

but i am beting on Locke to be on that coffin. just cause i know that if Locke was taken from that island he'd be the only one tryin' to get back even worser that Jack!!!

that's why i think it might be him.... hanging himself....

and i don't relly trust that "complete obituary" someone found somewhere.....

well, we'll have to wait and see right?


  "Worser?"  That is cute   ;D
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: LostAndSeek on July 23, 2007, 02:23:36 PM

Um..."WORSER than jack?"   Worser?     ;D

Be nice, Nikarro, Paula speaks better English than a lot of native speakers I know.
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: JBRam on July 23, 2007, 11:35:09 PM
right, i forget it's lost we're talking about... LOl

but i am beting on Locke to be on that coffin. just cause i know that if Locke was taken from that island he'd be the only one tryin' to get back even worser that Jack!!!

that's why i think it might be him.... hanging himself....

and i don't relly trust that "complete obituary" someone found somewhere.....

well, we'll have to wait and see right?
I don't trust the full clipping because it is a PROP. I never trust their props. We've seen WAAAAY too many errors as of yet.
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: pauinha6 on July 25, 2007, 12:46:23 AM

Um..."WORSER than jack?"   Worser?     ;D
awwww, thanks LAS, your a sweetie :-*

and my typos are laughable :D

i laugh at them most times LOL
Be nice, Nikarro, Paula speaks better English than a lot of native speakers I know.
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: E-Rich on July 26, 2007, 05:34:37 PM
More people have voted for Ben...I still go with Ben.
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: LostAndSeek on July 26, 2007, 09:15:14 PM
More people have voted for Ben...I still go with Ben.

Well, there's another poll floating around that includes Michael as a choice. He's leading that one, thought it might only be 3-1-1 or something like that. I'm bettin' it's indeed Mikey with second choice being someone we don't know.
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: JBRam on July 27, 2007, 01:06:03 AM
I still say Locke. Makes the most sense from what we've seen so far.

They probably wouldn't have a new character as the guy in the coffin. That wouldn't really make much sense for them at this point in time.
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: E-Rich on July 28, 2007, 09:36:35 PM
So do you think Locke simply because of the name in the obit that Jack was holding?
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: JBRam on July 29, 2007, 02:44:01 AM
Actually, I thought Locke before I heard the name. I think it makes sense since he was trying to keep them on the island. Who would want to go to his funeral?
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: DirtyMaggieMae on July 29, 2007, 11:27:01 AM
Helen?  I mean, I know she broke his heart and all of that.... it has been a while.  But I think she cared enough for him to go to the funeral.
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: pauinha6 on July 29, 2007, 12:17:09 PM
Helen?  I mean, I know she broke his heart and all of that.... it has been a while.  But I think she cared enough for him to go to the funeral.

i agree DMM!!! Helen would be there...

but still Locke is my best guess so far...
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: Nancy Drew on July 30, 2007, 05:03:11 PM
The guy who plays Micheal was recently asked this question at Comic-Con and his answer was John Locke. 

"D.L. and C.C. ask Harold, "Who do you think is in the coffin?" Harold thinks it's the person with the teenage son...probably Locke!"

However, I'm sure this was a guess.  It is hard to tell what his tone of voice was when reading this too.  He could have been using sarcasm since everyone knows that, right now, he is the only one with a teenage son at the time of the funeral in question.

Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: DirtyMaggieMae on July 30, 2007, 05:30:28 PM
I think Micheal was joking, personally.  Sorry folks but it just doesn't make sense to me that it would be Locke in that coffin.  I haven't really heard any good arguments supporting that. 
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: Nancy Drew on July 30, 2007, 05:57:15 PM
I don't think anyone, on the show or off, besides TPTB know.  And who knows, if Jack is able to go back in time and fix things with their departure of the island, it won't matter who is in this coffin.
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: LostAndSeek on July 30, 2007, 05:58:25 PM
I think Micheal was joking, personally.  Sorry folks but it just doesn't make sense to me that it would be Locke in that coffin.  I haven't really heard any good arguments supporting that. 

I agree, it was a (lame) joke.
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: DirtyMaggieMae on July 30, 2007, 05:59:12 PM
I don't think anyone, on the show or off, besides TPTB know.  And who knows, if Jack is able to go back in time and fix things with their departure of the island, it won't matter who is in this coffin.

True nuff.  But it doesn't ease the pain of not knowing!
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: Nancy Drew on July 30, 2007, 06:05:01 PM
I don't think anyone, on the show or off, besides TPTB know.  And who knows, if Jack is able to go back in time and fix things with their departure of the island, it won't matter who is in this coffin.

True nuff.  But it doesn't ease the pain of not knowing!

Very right you are.  This guy very well could be someone we haven't met yet, who runs Dharma, or the rescue boat, or anything really that would be Dharma affiliated.  Just because he has a teenage son doesn't mean that it is Micheal.
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: JBRam on July 30, 2007, 10:19:12 PM
I think Micheal was joking, personally.  Sorry folks but it just doesn't make sense to me that it would be Locke in that coffin.  I haven't really heard any good arguments supporting that. 
I haven't heard any good reasons for it to be Michael or Ben or anyone else either.
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: LostAndSeek on July 30, 2007, 10:45:50 PM
I think Micheal was joking, personally.  Sorry folks but it just doesn't make sense to me that it would be Locke in that coffin.  I haven't really heard any good arguments supporting that. 
I haven't heard any good reasons for it to be Michael or Ben or anyone else either.

If you take the obit seriously then there's some support.

1. Teenage son
2. Lived in a loft, think artistic type
3. From NYC

If you don't take the obit seriously then most of the rest of the evidence (Kate's reaction, no one shows up, Jack's (n)either friend nor family) could apply to about anyone we don't like. But there is the fact that the funeral home appears to be in a black neighborhood....

Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: pauinha6 on July 30, 2007, 11:46:02 PM
I think Micheal was joking, personally.  Sorry folks but it just doesn't make sense to me that it would be Locke in that coffin.  I haven't really heard any good arguments supporting that. 
I haven't heard any good reasons for it to be Michael or Ben or anyone else either.

If you take the obit seriously then there's some support.

1. Teenage son
2. Lived in a loft, think artistic type
3. From NYC

If you don't take the obit seriously then most of the rest of the evidence (Kate's reaction, no one shows up, Jack's (n)either friend nor family) could apply to about anyone we don't like. But there is the fact that the funeral home appears to be in a black neighborhood....

Sooooooo???????

i don't see why that makes any evidence!!
on that case it sould be Rose too!!

i don't think the funeral home says anything about it! Just that maybe the dead guy had no money for the uptown funeral home, closest to home!

but that's just my ho!
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: LostAndSeek on July 31, 2007, 12:25:19 AM

Sooooooo???????

i don't see why that makes any evidence!!
on that case it sould be Rose too!!

i don't think the funeral home says anything about it! Just that maybe the dead guy had no money for the uptown funeral home, closest to home!

but that's just my ho!

When I first watched the scene where Jack walked up to the funeral home I thought "It's gotta be Rose". But then I'm pretty sure that Jack and the funeral director talked about a "him". Plus if it were Rose, there'd be mourners, including probably Kate. Plus it'd probably be in a better neighborhood.

And 'course it could be a white (or any other colored) guy, but the odds are against it.

Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: DirtyMaggieMae on July 31, 2007, 07:28:28 AM
Yes, it was for sure a "him" in there.  What I don't understand is that the funeral seemed to be sort of... well... thrown together and poor quality.  I mean, no flowers or anything on the casket.  But why was this guy so important to have made the front page of the newspaper yet have not enough money to have a decent funeral or have anyone show up?
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: Nancy Drew on July 31, 2007, 11:33:30 AM
Yes, it was for sure a "him" in there.  What I don't understand is that the funeral seemed to be sort of... well... thrown together and poor quality.  I mean, no flowers or anything on the casket.  But why was this guy so important to have made the front page of the newspaper yet have not enough money to have a decent funeral or have anyone show up?

Very good point about it being front page news.  Why would this particular one warrant such attention?  Maybe it has to do with the address??  What city are we to assume this suicide took place in?  LA??
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: TXFlyboy on July 31, 2007, 11:35:43 AM
DUN  DUN  DUN  - IT WAS VINCENT!
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: Nancy Drew on July 31, 2007, 12:02:01 PM
DUN  DUN  DUN  - IT WAS VINCENT!

Yep!!  I agree with Flyboy!!  LOL

Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: LostAndSeek on July 31, 2007, 12:24:20 PM
Yes, it was for sure a "him" in there.  What I don't understand is that the funeral seemed to be sort of... well... thrown together and poor quality.  I mean, no flowers or anything on the casket.  But why was this guy so important to have made the front page of the newspaper yet have not enough money to have a decent funeral or have anyone show up?

Very good point about it being front page news.  Why would this particular one warrant such attention?  Maybe it has to do with the address??  What city are we to assume this suicide took place in?  LA??

Well, it wasn't the front page of the whole newspaper, just the front page of the Metro section. And it's an apparent suicide so without more info I wouldn't make too much of this. As to what city, well, if you believe the recreations of the prop, it was LA.
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: pauinha6 on July 31, 2007, 01:16:51 PM
Yes, it was for sure a "him" in there.  What I don't understand is that the funeral seemed to be sort of... well... thrown together and poor quality.  I mean, no flowers or anything on the casket.  But why was this guy so important to have made the front page of the newspaper yet have not enough money to have a decent funeral or have anyone show up?

Very good point about it being front page news.  Why would this particular one warrant such attention?  Maybe it has to do with the address??  What city are we to assume this suicide took place in?  LA??

Well, it wasn't the front page of the whole newspaper, just the front page of the Metro section. And it's an apparent suicide so without more info I wouldn't make too much of this. As to what city, well, if you believe the recreations of the prop, it was LA.


Just one thing to add... about being "front page"... it was one of the losties probably, so, it would make frontpage that one of the rescued ppl killed themselfs...

like Jack is still known everywhere from being a "hero"!!!!
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: DirtyMaggieMae on July 31, 2007, 08:09:36 PM
Well front page or not, it made something outside of the regular obituaries.  My concern is why no one was at a funeral if the newspaper decided to make a big (bigger than reg. obits.) deal about this dead fellow. 
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: Nancy Drew on July 31, 2007, 09:27:42 PM
Ok, instead of investigating who is in the coffin--it's getting me nowhere--I decided to try to Mapquest the address of 4300 Grand Ave S.

Now I know the paper said in the block of 4300, but to me, same difference.  Since it was the Tower Loft apts, the structure could take up a whole city block, at least on the Grand Ave side of the building.

Here's what I came up with:

Just around the corner from this address is a West Vernon Avenue Elementary school.  It is believed that Sarah, Jack's ex, is a school teacher, and she was seen outside of what looked like a school when Jack saw her with another man.  This is minor stuff--we don't know what the name of the school, but just for the sake of showing the coincidence, here is a quote from Lostpedia to support it.

"She made a quick line in passing that she has "papers to grade", suggesting that she is a teacher of some kind. ("The Hunting Party") She is seen outside what appears to be an elementary school. ("A Tale of Two Cities") "

But then something else caught my eye.  About a block away from this residence is a Mt. Moriah Baptist Church.  Hmmm.......
With all the references of time, could this be another point in the direction of it?  Moriah was the name of the wine made at the monastery where Desmond lived, right before meeting Penny.  Moriah, in Biblical terms, was a wind of death and pestilence that accompanied war.  I think we got a very good view of "death and pestilence" that accompanied the war between the Losties and the Others in this episode!

I truly believe that, even though titled with an Alice in Wonderland theme, this epi was more like the Wizard of Oz in that Jack was playing Dorothy and desparate to make it back to the land of Oz, even though those around him thought he was going crazy.  (Referenced by the name Arlen--the composer of "Over the Rainbow"--with Mrs. Arlen being the woman who crashed her car on the bridge)
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: DirtyMaggieMae on July 31, 2007, 09:34:33 PM
Good info, Amy!  But now I'm imagining Jack wearing a blue checkered dress and pigtails  :o
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: Nancy Drew on July 31, 2007, 09:56:11 PM
I tried to find you a pic, there used to be one in the Come Again thread :-\

I don't know, I could picture him in a dress!!   LOL
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: laklost on August 01, 2007, 07:42:56 PM
Ok, instead of investigating who is in the coffin--it's getting me nowhere--I decided to try to Mapquest the address of 4300 Grand Ave S.

Now I know the paper said in the block of 4300, but to me, same difference.  Since it was the Tower Loft apts, the structure could take up a whole city block, at least on the Grand Ave side of the building.

Here's what I came up with:

Just around the corner from this address is a West Vernon Avenue Elementary school.  It is believed that Sarah, Jack's ex, is a school teacher, and she was seen outside of what looked like a school when Jack saw her with another man.  This is minor stuff--we don't know what the name of the school, but just for the sake of showing the coincidence, here is a quote from Lostpedia to support it.

"She made a quick line in passing that she has "papers to grade", suggesting that she is a teacher of some kind. ("The Hunting Party") She is seen outside what appears to be an elementary school. ("A Tale of Two Cities") "

But then something else caught my eye.  About a block away from this residence is a Mt. Moriah Baptist Church.  Hmmm.......
With all the references of time, could this be another point in the direction of it?  Moriah was the name of the wine made at the monastery where Desmond lived, right before meeting Penny.  Moriah, in Biblical terms, was a wind of death and pestilence that accompanied war.  I think we got a very good view of "death and pestilence" that accompanied the war between the Losties and the Others in this episode!

I truly believe that, even though titled with an Alice in Wonderland theme, this epi was more like the Wizard of Oz in that Jack was playing Dorothy and desparate to make it back to the land of Oz, even though those around him thought he was going crazy.  (Referenced by the name Arlen--the composer of "Over the Rainbow"--with Mrs. Arlen being the woman who crashed her car on the bridge)

Mt. Moriah is where Abraham took Isaac to sacrifice him.  It was also the site of Solomon's temple.
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: Nancy Drew on August 01, 2007, 08:20:16 PM
Ok, instead of investigating who is in the coffin--it's getting me nowhere--I decided to try to Mapquest the address of 4300 Grand Ave S.

Now I know the paper said in the block of 4300, but to me, same difference.  Since it was the Tower Loft apts, the structure could take up a whole city block, at least on the Grand Ave side of the building.

Here's what I came up with:

Just around the corner from this address is a West Vernon Avenue Elementary school.  It is believed that Sarah, Jack's ex, is a school teacher, and she was seen outside of what looked like a school when Jack saw her with another man.  This is minor stuff--we don't know what the name of the school, but just for the sake of showing the coincidence, here is a quote from Lostpedia to support it.

"She made a quick line in passing that she has "papers to grade", suggesting that she is a teacher of some kind. ("The Hunting Party") She is seen outside what appears to be an elementary school. ("A Tale of Two Cities") "

But then something else caught my eye.  About a block away from this residence is a Mt. Moriah Baptist Church.  Hmmm.......
With all the references of time, could this be another point in the direction of it?  Moriah was the name of the wine made at the monastery where Desmond lived, right before meeting Penny.  Moriah, in Biblical terms, was a wind of death and pestilence that accompanied war.  I think we got a very good view of "death and pestilence" that accompanied the war between the Losties and the Others in this episode!

I truly believe that, even though titled with an Alice in Wonderland theme, this epi was more like the Wizard of Oz in that Jack was playing Dorothy and desparate to make it back to the land of Oz, even though those around him thought he was going crazy.  (Referenced by the name Arlen--the composer of "Over the Rainbow"--with Mrs. Arlen being the woman who crashed her car on the bridge)

Mt. Moriah is where Abraham took Isaac to sacrifice him.  It was also the site of Solomon's temple.

I was going to put that in there, but I forgot.  I got excited ;D
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: LouE68 on August 09, 2007, 01:32:28 AM
Every show/movie known to man gives you clues to make you believe one way and then, they put on the twist and wham bam, it's a total surprise...so I dont think there are any clues we could see to know who is in the coffin...
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: DirtyMaggieMae on August 09, 2007, 05:12:50 PM
Every show/movie known to man gives you clues to make you believe one way and then, they put on the twist and wham bam, it's a total surprise...so I dont think there are any clues we could see to know who is in the coffin...

I actually hope I'm wrong with my idea of it being Micheal.  'Cause then when it ISN'T him I'll be all, "duuuuuuuude!" but if it IS him i'll just say I knew it all along and be smug for a week.
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: laklost on August 16, 2007, 08:52:13 PM
Every show/movie known to man gives you clues to make you believe one way and then, they put on the twist and wham bam, it's a total surprise...so I dont think there are any clues we could see to know who is in the coffin...

I actually hope I'm wrong with my idea of it being Micheal.  'Cause then when it ISN'T him I'll be all, "duuuuuuuude!" but if it IS him i'll just say I knew it all along and be smug for a week.

LOL!  You're speaking for all of us!  :D :D :D
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: LouE68 on August 18, 2007, 11:17:44 PM
Every show/movie known to man gives you clues to make you believe one way and then, they put on the twist and wham bam, it's a total surprise...so I dont think there are any clues we could see to know who is in the coffin...

I actually hope I'm wrong with my idea of it being Micheal.  'Cause then when it ISN'T him I'll be all, "duuuuuuuude!" but if it IS him i'll just say I knew it all along and be smug for a week.
Yeah, the one exception LOL denghit!!!
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: musepsycho on January 23, 2008, 01:46:44 PM
In the final episode of season 3 in Jack's flashforward, Jack yells at the head of surgeons he should go get his father and if he is drunker than me... The point being,  in the future Christian is alive. 
How can that be?  Christian died, had a coffin, etc.  I believe that the Losties were duplicated in a time warp.  The airplane Naomi talked about REALLY exists.  The Losties died in an airplane crash, and their duplicates landed on the Island. 
So the Losties are duplicates and Christian's duplicate is alive?
 
I think the key is Danielle.  The French lady talked about a fever with her companions?  I believe Danielle didn't catch this fever because her duplicate died in the accident.  What would happen if you got too close to your living duplicate?



(The quote is from the "Timeline Justification" board)

So, after the Orchid video the theories have started to get even stranger, but considering rabbit #15, the mentioning of the Casimir effect & "setting the shift to negative twenty" things could be stranger than any of us imagined earlier... I'm not sure if I want to believe this myself, but it struck me: Could there be a Jack's doppelganger in the coffin? That would no doubt upset Jack, & I figure Kate would not be very eager to go to that funeral. Well, it's just a thought that I wanted to throw out. Feel free to shoot me down!
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: charliefan on March 23, 2008, 07:57:37 AM
I found this on a site:

"The body of John Lantham of New York was found shortly after 4 am in the 4300 block of Grand Avenue.
Ted Worden, a doorman at the Tower Lofts complex, heard loud noises coming from the victim's loft.
Concerned for tenants' safety, he entered the loft and found the body hanging from a beam in the living room.
According to Jaime Ortiz, a police spokesman, the incident was deemed a suicide after medical tests. Latham (sic) is survived by one teenaged son.
Memorial services will be held at the Hoffs-Drawlar Funeral Home tomorrow evening."


I was thinking that I could possibly be Michael using a different name because he doesn't want anyone to know that him or Walt were alive.  It also says he is survived by a teenaged son.  Walt would definately be a teenager by then.  I really think that Michael is the one in the coffin.  The only thing is that coffin looks much too small to me.  I don't know if I'm the only one who's noticed this.  Maybe I'm just crazy and it the angle or something but that coffing looks much too small to be holding an adult body.  I still think it's Michael though.  Haha
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: LostAndSeek on March 23, 2008, 10:11:01 AM
Charlie, if you read through this thread you'll see all those issues discussed.
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: gjohnson on March 23, 2008, 03:04:43 PM
The interesting part is that if the person in the coffin is one of our Losties, or anyone else who has been on the island it would seem, then their "work is done." What did they do to for the island to allow them to take their own life is a new question we are left to debate.
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: laklost on March 25, 2008, 06:02:55 PM
No one thinks it's Sayid, do you?  That's an awful thought.
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: gjohnson on March 26, 2008, 10:48:01 AM
No, I don't think it is Sayid, but it is likely it is someone who has been on the island. It would seem everyone on the island is there for a purpose and the island does not allow anyone who has been there to off themselves (or die?) before their work is done. So, if the person in the coffin has been on the island, we can presume their purpose is served. It really could be anyone other than Kate or Jack. But then, with the Orchid video, it could even be a future version of either of the two of them I suppose. Suffice it to say, this is Lost and we pretty much know nothing about who is in the coffin.
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: Gar O Mac on April 07, 2008, 03:06:53 AM
I've heard a lot of people saying that Sawyer had no more "work to do" maybe it's him. But as for as we know he doesn't have any kids, plus you'd have to wonder how he got of the island if he's not one of the 6.
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: gjohnson on April 07, 2008, 12:30:06 PM
My best guess is either Ben or Locke. The climax of the story being either Ben passing the baton to someone else (Locke or Jack) OR Ben using and discarding Locke (recurring theme anyone?).
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: LostinLock on April 13, 2008, 05:47:02 PM
I think I have mentioned this before but the persons name is not one that is known to us, so I have a feeling he is someone that is significant after they are back on the mainland.
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: Gar O Mac on April 13, 2008, 06:10:53 PM
No one thinks it's Sayid, do you?  That's an awful thought.

You know, if Kate knew that Sayid was killing people for Ben then she may not care if he was dead or not. Plus He had spent a lot of time before the crash going from place to place looking for that one woman, so there's a good chance no one would be there to see him off.
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: JBRam on April 13, 2008, 06:15:24 PM
The CIA bought him the plane ticket. They are probably interested in the outcome.
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: LostinLock on April 14, 2008, 06:40:51 PM
The CIA bought him the plane ticket. They are probably interested in the outcome.

I have to tell you if the CIA ends up being part of this whole gig I am going to laugh ....
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: JBRam on April 15, 2008, 01:50:16 PM
Yeah, the CIA hired Widmore to find Sayid. Of course.
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: Gar O Mac on April 16, 2008, 12:17:06 AM
Of course.
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: LostinLock on April 16, 2008, 08:21:43 PM
No they hired an unmentionable name.  sounds like

how about if If there is some time travel thing and Michael is really in the coffin, but he left his body to go on the freighter...sorry being a bit on the odd side tonight.  Power walking gets you that way
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: cloris on April 17, 2008, 01:41:14 PM
We know it was a male don't we? I feel like Kate said "why would I want to see him?"
I think it is Michael if anyone, because Michael is technically Kevin Johnson now, because "Michael" is dead off the island. Michael is also someone who both Jack and Kate have a grudge against, a severe grudge in fact. But knowing Jack he would still feel bad about all of that.
Also, no one came to the funeral, and Michael had no one anymore, because his mother won't let him see walt anymore, and other than walt and his mother, no one really knows him. Also, he left them when he went on the frieghter, so for all they know he was just off wandering somewhere.
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: LostinLock on April 17, 2008, 02:08:20 PM
We know it was a male don't we? I feel like Kate said "why would I want to see him?"
I think it is Michael if anyone, because Michael is technically Kevin Johnson now, because "Michael" is dead off the island. Michael is also someone who both Jack and Kate have a grudge against, a severe grudge in fact. But knowing Jack he would still feel bad about all of that.
Also, no one came to the funeral, and Michael had no one anymore, because his mother won't let him see walt anymore, and other than walt and his mother, no one really knows him. Also, he left them when he went on the freighter, so for all they know he was just off wandering somewhere.

The name of the person that was in the coffin starts with and L and has a son.  Oddly enough one day I had nothing better to do and did a look see about the piece of paper that was in Jack 's hands and it stated some guy's name and it wasn't Locke. But it did say survived by a son.    I just don't buy Michael at this point because there is a lot that can happen to him between the freighter and getting back to the mainland.

Hey I found it in the threads  here:
http://lost.cubit.net/forum/index.php?topic=5455.0

It would fall into character that he did have yet another alias - because no one knows he survived the flight.  We know he is not an 06 so outting his identify would not make any sense. 

I think the one thing we all agree on is he is male,  Jack felt compelled to go to his funeral and Kate just didn't give a bloody damn if he died.  So with that said round up the usual suspects cause this could be anyone.
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: Ladybug on April 17, 2008, 04:31:13 PM
i'm so over this question.  sure i want to know, but i realize it's another question that won't be answered until the end with a (VERY ALIVE) christian pops out and says, "Myyyyy bbbbbbbboooooooooyyyy!!  You came!!!"
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: laklost on April 17, 2008, 05:59:33 PM
i'm so over this question.  sure i want to know, but i realize it's another question that won't be answered until the end with a (VERY ALIVE) christian pops out and says, "Myyyyy bbbbbbbboooooooooyyyy!!  You came!!!"

High Five for you for THAT!!

(((((((Jamie)))))))))
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: Gar O Mac on April 17, 2008, 07:06:15 PM
i'm so over this question.  sure i want to know, but i realize it's another question that won't be answered until the end with a (VERY ALIVE) christian pops out and says, "Myyyyy bbbbbbbboooooooooyyyy!!  You came!!!"

Nice!
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: LostAndSeek on April 17, 2008, 08:42:03 PM
I bet we get the answer to this question this season, maybe in the finale. It'd be neat if this season's finale answered questions about last season's. We've already got a bunch of answers: who is Kate's "him", why isn't she in jail, who else is off the Island... etc.

Cloris, welcome! Yeah, I think we can be sure it's a male. The only part of the story that you can clearly read is the headline, and it says something like Man found dead in loft. I'm not sure we can put much stock in the name that some folks pulled out of the story. Maybe it'll be the same but I wouldn't count on it.
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: LostinLock on April 17, 2008, 08:44:08 PM
quote author=Ladybug link=topic=5287.msg383403#msg383403 date=1208460673]
i'm so over this question.  sure i want to know, but i realize it's another question that won't be answered until the end with a (VERY ALIVE) christian pops out and says, "Myyyyy bbbbbbbboooooooooyyyy!!  You came!!!"
[/quote]

Not being fresh...but if you are over then why are you in?  Good thought on Christian that would be a great mind bender... :)

But it does open yet another thought... when Desmond met Jack while they were running and he says see you in another life brother.

Hmmmm
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: JBRam on April 17, 2008, 10:06:29 PM
We know it was a male don't we? I feel like Kate said "why would I want to see him?"
I think it is Michael if anyone, because Michael is technically Kevin Johnson now, because "Michael" is dead off the island. Michael is also someone who both Jack and Kate have a grudge against, a severe grudge in fact. But knowing Jack he would still feel bad about all of that.
Also, no one came to the funeral, and Michael had no one anymore, because his mother won't let him see walt anymore, and other than walt and his mother, no one really knows him. Also, he left them when he went on the freighter, so for all they know he was just off wandering somewhere.

The name of the person that was in the coffin starts with and L and has a son.  Oddly enough one day I had nothing better to do and did a look see about the piece of paper that was in Jack 's hands and it stated some guy's name and it wasn't Locke. But it did say survived by a son.    I just don't buy Michael at this point because there is a lot that can happen to him between the freighter and getting back to the mainland.

Hey I found it in the threads  here:
http://lost.cubit.net/forum/index.php?topic=5455.0

It would fall into character that he did have yet another alias - because no one knows he survived the flight.  We know he is not an 06 so outting his identify would not make any sense. 

I think the one thing we all agree on is he is male,  Jack felt compelled to go to his funeral and Kate just didn't give a bloody damn if he died.  So with that said round up the usual suspects cause this could be anyone.
I would like to point out again that this is a PROP, not CANON. Props have been used multiple times as placeholders, meaning they are often incorrect information (such as the wrong actress for Penny in a picture and countless inconsistencies in dates).
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: LostinLock on April 18, 2008, 01:00:03 PM
We know it was a male don't we? I feel like Kate said "why would I want to see him?"
I think it is Michael if anyone, because Michael is technically Kevin Johnson now, because "Michael" is dead off the island. Michael is also someone who both Jack and Kate have a grudge against, a severe grudge in fact. But knowing Jack he would still feel bad about all of that.
Also, no one came to the funeral, and Michael had no one anymore, because his mother won't let him see walt anymore, and other than walt and his mother, no one really knows him. Also, he left them when he went on the freighter, so for all they know he was just off wandering somewhere.

The name of the person that was in the coffin starts with and L and has a son.  Oddly enough one day I had nothing better to do and did a look see about the piece of paper that was in Jack 's hands and it stated some guy's name and it wasn't Locke. But it did say survived by a son.    I just don't buy Michael at this point because there is a lot that can happen to him between the freighter and getting back to the mainland.

Hey I found it in the threads  here:
http://lost.cubit.net/forum/index.php?topic=5455.0

It would fall into character that he did have yet another alias - because no one knows he survived the flight.  We know he is not an 06 so outting his identify would not make any sense. 

I think the one thing we all agree on is he is male,  Jack felt compelled to go to his funeral and Kate just didn't give a bloody damn if he died.  So with that said round up the usual suspects cause this could be anyone.
I would like to point out again that this is a PROP, not CANON. Props have been used multiple times as placeholders, meaning they are often incorrect information (such as the wrong actress for Penny in a picture and countless inconsistencies in dates).

JB-  What picture of Penny is that?  ?? 

Yeah it's a prop...but if I am reading you correctly you are saying this is insignificant?
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: Ladybug on April 18, 2008, 01:48:45 PM
quote author=Ladybug link=topic=5287.msg383403#msg383403 date=1208460673]
i'm so over this question.  sure i want to know, but i realize it's another question that won't be answered until the end with a (VERY ALIVE) christian pops out and says, "Myyyyy bbbbbbbboooooooooyyyy!!  You came!!!"

Not being fresh...but if you are over then why are you in?  Good thought on Christian that would be a great mind bender... :)

But it does open yet another thought... when Desmond met Jack while they were running and he says see you in another life brother.

Hmmmm
[/quote]this keeps being one of the threads at the top, and i just thought i'd state my opinion of what i thought.
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: JBRam on April 18, 2008, 04:10:21 PM
We know it was a male don't we? I feel like Kate said "why would I want to see him?"
I think it is Michael if anyone, because Michael is technically Kevin Johnson now, because "Michael" is dead off the island. Michael is also someone who both Jack and Kate have a grudge against, a severe grudge in fact. But knowing Jack he would still feel bad about all of that.
Also, no one came to the funeral, and Michael had no one anymore, because his mother won't let him see walt anymore, and other than walt and his mother, no one really knows him. Also, he left them when he went on the freighter, so for all they know he was just off wandering somewhere.

The name of the person that was in the coffin starts with and L and has a son.  Oddly enough one day I had nothing better to do and did a look see about the piece of paper that was in Jack 's hands and it stated some guy's name and it wasn't Locke. But it did say survived by a son.    I just don't buy Michael at this point because there is a lot that can happen to him between the freighter and getting back to the mainland.

Hey I found it in the threads  here:
http://lost.cubit.net/forum/index.php?topic=5455.0

It would fall into character that he did have yet another alias - because no one knows he survived the flight.  We know he is not an 06 so outting his identify would not make any sense. 

I think the one thing we all agree on is he is male,  Jack felt compelled to go to his funeral and Kate just didn't give a bloody damn if he died.  So with that said round up the usual suspects cause this could be anyone.
I would like to point out again that this is a PROP, not CANON. Props have been used multiple times as placeholders, meaning they are often incorrect information (such as the wrong actress for Penny in a picture and countless inconsistencies in dates).

JB-  What picture of Penny is that?  ?? 

Yeah it's a prop...but if I am reading you correctly you are saying this is insignificant?
I am saying the words on it may be insignificant. OR it could just be an obvious plug for it being Michael.
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: lostieloo on April 20, 2008, 03:03:38 PM
What exactly is "canon"?    ???
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: JBRam on April 20, 2008, 06:24:53 PM
"Canon" means part of the show. If something is not canon, then we shouldn't assume it is true in the realm of the show. For instance, Penny and Desmond's previous relationship is canon, but Ben and Annie's assumed relationship in the past is not canon.

According to wikipedia: "In the context of a fictional universe, the canon comprises those novels, stories, films, et cetera, that are considered to be genuine or officially sanctioned, and those events, characters, settings, et cetera, that are considered to have existence within the fictional universe."
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: LostinLock on April 20, 2008, 08:14:11 PM
What exactly is "canon"?    ???



http://thesaurus.reference.com/browse/canon
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Main Entry:     law
Part of Speech:     noun
Definition:     A principle governing affairs within or among political units.
Synonyms:     decree, edict, institute, ordinance, precept, prescription, regulation, rule, canon

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/canon

can•on1      Audio Help   ˈkæn ən - Show Spelled Pronunciation[kan-uh n] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun
1.   an ecclesiastical rule or law enacted by a council or other competent authority and, in the Roman Catholic Church, approved by the pope.
2.   the body of ecclesiastical law.
3.   the body of rules, principles, or standards accepted as axiomatic and universally binding in a field of study or art: the neoclassical canon.
4.   a fundamental principle or general rule: the canons of good behavior.
5.   a standard; criterion: the canons of taste.
6.   the books of the Bible recognized by any Christian church as genuine and inspired.
7.   any officially recognized set of sacred books.
8.   any comprehensive list of books within a field.
9.   the works of an author that have been accepted as authentic: There are 37 plays in the Shakespeare canon. Compare APOCRYPHA (def. 3).

10.   a catalog or list, as of the saints acknowledged by the Church.
11.   Liturgy. the part of the Mass between the Sanctus and the Communion.
12.   Eastern Church. a liturgical sequence sung at matins, usually consisting of nine odes arranged in a fixed pattern.
13.   Music. consistent, note-for-note imitation of one melodic line by another, in which the second line starts after the first.
14.   Printing. a 48-point type.
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: Asmodean on April 20, 2008, 08:28:57 PM
Oh...that canon.  Thx LL.  ;)
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: JBRam on April 21, 2008, 12:30:02 PM
"Canon" means part of the show. If something is not canon, then we shouldn't assume it is true in the realm of the show. For instance, Penny and Desmond's previous relationship is canon, but Ben and Annie's assumed relationship in the past is not canon.

According to wikipedia: "In the context of a fictional universe, the canon comprises those novels, stories, films, et cetera, that are considered to be genuine or officially sanctioned, and those events, characters, settings, et cetera, that are considered to have existence within the fictional universe."
And this is what it means to us... ;)
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: laklost on April 21, 2008, 03:10:19 PM
What exactly is "canon"?    ???

A big weapon that you put stuff into and blow up Wile E. Coyote with.  ;D
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: JBRam on April 21, 2008, 05:49:16 PM
Ok, I originally said Locke, but I have to change my vote to Michael (who isn't there) since he was basically suicidal in the last episode. I think he will go back and finally finish the job.
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: lostieloo on April 22, 2008, 09:47:05 AM
Thanx for the definitions, everyone.  That clears it up very nicely.
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: LostinLock on April 24, 2008, 04:24:25 AM
Thanx for the definitions, everyone.  That clears it up very nicely.

You are welcome, I tend to default to the dictionary first. Though upon further investigation I did find this interesting site.  You learn something everyday.

I don't mean to be a word snob, but words are important in my job, as proof and make sure that content has understanding by all.  our folks use buzz words specific in our industry that don't apply in others. 

So back to the subject we will have more and more answers as they peel this onion.

cheers
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: laklost on April 24, 2008, 12:20:44 PM
So the answer to Who's in the Coffin is NOT WORDS.  Cause some places they are dead and in the ground.  I swear.  Spelling?  Who seems to need it anymore.  LIL, it sounds like you can be in the Red Pen Club.  Jess and I are charter members.  :D
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: JBRam on April 24, 2008, 12:51:56 PM
So the answer to Who's in the Coffin is NOT WORDS.  Cause some places they are dead and in the ground.  I swear.  Spelling?  Who seems to need it anymore.  LIL, it sounds like you can be in the Red Pen Club.  Jess and I are charter members.  :D
This seemingly random rant brought to you by Lakie. If it's bad spelling, she'll correct it. If it's bad grammar, you'd better just run away now.
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: LostinLock on April 24, 2008, 02:21:16 PM
So the answer to Who's in the Coffin is NOT WORDS.  Cause some places they are dead and in the ground.  I swear.  Spelling?  Who seems to need it anymore.  LIL, it sounds like you can be in the Red Pen Club.  Jess and I are charter members.  :D

Oh thank you... I do it so much here that it is force of habit and I don't mean to offend anyone.  We work on web content here so of course spelling, grammar and all that is important.... ;D 
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: laklost on April 24, 2008, 10:23:08 PM
Excellent.  I salute you, LIL.

Now, who IS in that coffin?  Hmmmm...
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: LostinLock on April 25, 2008, 02:08:53 PM
Excellent.  I salute you, LIL.

Now, who IS in that coffin?  Hmmmm...

I don't think it is anyone we know.  Though I know who I would like it to be and that is Ben
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: Asmodean on April 26, 2008, 11:50:22 AM
Seems like I remember hearing the execs say it was someone we know.
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: laklost on April 26, 2008, 06:04:17 PM
If it's someone we don't know, it absolutely doesn't matter to us, and that's pointless.  Please, please, please let it be Ben!
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: Lion of Atreides on April 26, 2008, 08:06:37 PM
Don't you be a hatin' my Benny again.  At the very least, how could any of the other characters be seen as good, if they didn't have Ben as their evil foil?  I think in the end we'll have to deal with the fact that Mr. Manipulation will have done it for the sake of the island.  That he got sidetracked by Juliet, and misplayed his hand and got Alex killed, why, no one is perfect.
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: Lion of Atreides on April 26, 2008, 08:07:48 PM
Anyway, my latest hunch is that it's Michael.
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: lostatsea on May 20, 2008, 09:40:04 AM
Now that we have more of the puzzle I think the person in the coffin has got to be Ben Linus.

No one showed up to the funeral because he knows no one in the real world but the Oceanic 6.

But here is a twist I do not understand yet. He is from NY but is being burried in LA? (Jack and Kate are living in LA, right?)
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: laklost on May 21, 2008, 12:25:06 AM
Now that we're about to find out, who is handing out the prizes to the ones who guessed right?
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: Sweet Old Lady on May 21, 2008, 01:25:15 AM
Now that we have more of the puzzle I think the person in the coffin has got to be Ben Linus.

No one showed up to the funeral because he knows no one in the real world but the Oceanic 6.

But here is a twist I do not understand yet. He is from NY but is being burried in LA? (Jack and Kate are living in LA, right?)
The obit said he was from NY, but he died in Los Angeles.  Michael was from New York and had a teenaged son as stated in the obit.  Somebody paid for the funeral but didn't have the body shipped back to NY.  I think it's Michael.
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: Asmodean on May 21, 2008, 11:54:34 AM
I just heard it's somebody that'll blow your socks off. *mouth zipped*
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: Sweet Old Lady on May 21, 2008, 01:05:07 PM
I just heard it's somebody that'll blow your socks off. *mouth zipped*
Speaking only for myself, nothing blows my socks off anymore where this show is concerned.  Not after the Libby/Ana Lulu murders.
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: lostieloo on May 21, 2008, 07:08:02 PM
I just heard it's somebody that'll blow your socks off. *mouth zipped*
Not sure if you can say, or if it would be considered spoilerish, but will we find out this season?  Probably not.
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: laklost on May 21, 2008, 07:14:37 PM
TPTB have said when we will find out who is in the coffin.  But it is a spoiler for anyone who doesn't listen to podcasts.
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: lostieloo on May 21, 2008, 07:29:03 PM
Thanks...I'll just sit on the edge of my seat and rock back and forth in agonizing anticipation.  Waaaaa!   :'(
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: Ladybug on May 22, 2008, 11:22:35 AM
Thanks...I'll just sit on the edge of my seat and rock back and forth in agonizing anticipation.  Waaaaa!   :'(
can i join you?
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: lostieloo on May 22, 2008, 01:48:31 PM
Why, yes!  Bring along some 15 year-old crackers, and I'll bring along some dharma ranch to dip it in.   :D
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: LostinLock on May 23, 2008, 05:41:56 PM
Now that we have more of the puzzle I think the person in the coffin has got to be Ben Linus.

No one showed up to the funeral because he knows no one in the real world but the Oceanic 6.

But here is a twist I do not understand yet. He is from NY but is being burried in LA? (Jack and Kate are living in LA, right?)
The obit said he was from NY, but he died in Los Angeles.  Michael was from New York and had a teenaged son as stated in the obit.  Somebody paid for the funeral but didn't have the body shipped back to NY.  I think it's Michael.

But Ben was not from NY he was from the state of washington..remember he was born outside Seattle and his father knew Horace as Horace helped them.

Though now I am wondering if the obit that Jack was holding in his hands was not hiding something else.  Or like others have stated someone who has an alias to hide the fact that they were from flight 815.  Right now the suspects are Walt, Michael and Ben (he can transport himself).  Who else would Kate dislike so much? That she wouldn't go?
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: quick127 on June 01, 2008, 01:12:20 PM
Couldn't this thread conceivably be closed now?  What with the rather definite answer provided in the S04 Finale?
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: JBRam on June 01, 2008, 02:59:07 PM
Just to finish it off, in case people missed the finale:

Locke was in the coffin.
Title: Re: Who was in the coffin?
Post by: CastawayCayley on June 01, 2008, 03:23:15 PM
Yeah I agree. Question answered, even though people still apparently keep questioning the body of the obit elsewhere on the boards... but this one is done. Say bye-bye!