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Title: Is He My Father?
Post by: puff6962 on May 17, 2007, 12:14:07 AM
Finally, some good introspection.  Dissent is building amongst the others.  Ben's day of reckoning is near.
Title: Re: Is He My Father?
Post by: airdudei on May 17, 2007, 12:15:29 AM
I can see the season finale as Ben thinks he has everything under control and BAM, Locke walks out of nowhere, then we fade to black.
Title: Re: Is He My Father?
Post by: JMart on May 17, 2007, 12:16:14 AM
who else thought that when alex started running she was going to save locke.. i got pwned.
Title: Re: Is He My Father?
Post by: airdudei on May 17, 2007, 12:22:21 AM
who else thought that when alex started running she was going to save locke.. i got pwned.

Nah I thought she was running to my bedroom.

Unfortunately that was the night before.
Title: Re: Is He My Father?
Post by: HickoryDickoryLocke on May 17, 2007, 12:33:19 AM
Hmmmmm.  Was I the only one that thought that she was asking Karl in a way that would seem that Karl knows that he isn't her father.  Perhaps Karl is "special" and he won't give her the details that she wants?   ???
Title: Re: Is He My Father?
Post by: anavrin on May 17, 2007, 12:35:40 AM
Seemed to me that Richard was taken aback when Ben returned without Locke and that "somebody" isn't going to be happy.  My theory is that the quote from the preview (Ben blubbering about doing everything for the island...) is Ben trying to explain his way out of his selfish actions.
Title: Re: Is He My Father?
Post by: puff6962 on May 17, 2007, 02:26:20 AM
Carl didn't seem shocked when Alex made this statement.  Surely, Ben had some cover story applied for why Alex didn't have a mommy (see the chicken posts).  But, didn't everyone know that Ben was lying?  It would seem so guaged by Ryan's response to Sayid telling Alex that she had her mother's eyes.

Alex now suspects that her mother may still be alive.  She is well aware that her "father" is a liar (that's what he does, he makes you think it's your idea), but now she is willing to swear off any connection to the man.  Does she recognize that he is a monster?  Yes.  Is she breaking ranks?  Yes.  Will she re-unite with Rousseau?  Yes.  Will Ben try and kill her?  Yes, provided he gets the chance.
Title: Re: Is He My Father?
Post by: LouE68 on May 17, 2007, 02:41:50 AM
Hmmmmm.  Was I the only one that thought that she was asking Karl in a way that would seem that Karl knows that he isn't her father.  Perhaps Karl is "special" and he won't give her the details that she wants?   ???
I think she said it in a way that she knows Ben isnt her father.
Title: Re: Is He My Father?
Post by: Sunflower on May 17, 2007, 04:49:03 AM
Hmmmmm.  Was I the only one that thought that she was asking Karl in a way that would seem that Karl knows that he isn't her father.  Perhaps Karl is "special" and he won't give her the details that she wants?   ???
I think she said it in a way that she knows Ben isnt her father.
Exactly!  She knows, Karl knows and everyone else knows
Title: Re: Is He My Father?
Post by: surfmadpig on May 17, 2007, 10:38:35 AM
who else thought that when alex started running she was going to save locke.. i got pwned.

I was certain she was going for Locke too   :(
Title: Re: Is He My Father?
Post by: ILoveLost on May 17, 2007, 10:42:24 AM
I think Alex knows that the others steal women and their children so she probably at some point put it together that she isn't really Ben's daughter.
Title: Re: Is He My Father?
Post by: Ladybug on May 17, 2007, 01:49:45 PM
maybe kate told her about danielle?
Title: Re: Is He My Father?
Post by: jenine on May 17, 2007, 01:53:36 PM
Hmmmmm.  Was I the only one that thought that she was asking Karl in a way that would seem that Karl knows that he isn't her father.  Perhaps Karl is "special" and he won't give her the details that she wants?   ???
I think she has her suspicions, realistic ones.  They are dating, she surely would've confided this to him.
Title: Re: Is He My Father?
Post by: WG?JIFFY on May 17, 2007, 02:08:05 PM
What about Karl being a "native/hostile"?  Is that an option or a possibility?  I think so, we don't know that much of him.  I really think it could be and that is why he and Alex are not allowed to be together.  hmmmm
Title: Re: Is He My Father?
Post by: jenine on May 17, 2007, 03:45:26 PM
What about Karl being a "native/hostile"?  Is that an option or a possibility?  I think so, we don't know that much of him.  I really think it could be and that is why he and Alex are not allowed to be together.  hmmmm
Why would that preclude them from being together?  I am more partial to the theory that Ben is afraid she will get pregnant and subsequently die.
Title: Re: Is He My Father?
Post by: misseko815 on May 17, 2007, 03:47:52 PM
What about Karl being a "native/hostile"?  Is that an option or a possibility?  I think so, we don't know that much of him.  I really think it could be and that is why he and Alex are not allowed to be together.  hmmmm
Why would that preclude them from being together?  I am more partial to the theory that Ben is afraid she will get pregnant and subsequently die.

Or that he's just the father of a teenage girl!  ;)
Title: Re: Is He My Father?
Post by: jenine on May 17, 2007, 05:54:56 PM
Very good point  :)  And here I am trying to make something tricky about it.
Title: Re: Is He My Father?
Post by: nikarro on May 18, 2007, 08:22:03 PM
I know no one will agree with me, but I dont think Ben is as evil as he seems....I think there is something we don't know that makes him the way he is and why he feels he "needs" things his way....
Title: Re: Is He My Father?
Post by: joshzam on May 18, 2007, 09:33:25 PM
Alex seemed sure of her statement. Carl responded with a look of "careful, you know you're not supposed to talk like that" - but already aware of whatever Alex knows. After watching the interaction again it jumped out at me: Ben never lied to anyone about Alex being his daughter. Alex is adopted and she knows it! That is why there have never been any qualms about calling Ben her father before and why she can defiantly (and rightfully) question his relationship to her now.
Title: Re: Is He My Father?
Post by: jugdish on May 18, 2007, 11:23:28 PM
I know no one will agree with me, but I dont think Ben is as evil as he seems....I think there is something we don't know that makes him the way he is and why he feels he "needs" things his way....

Just because something makes him evil, it doesn't diminish the evil.
Title: Re: Is He My Father?
Post by: puff6962 on May 19, 2007, 12:29:12 AM
Ben is evil....evil as in fruit of the devil evil.  Ben will die (I predict) in the finale.
Title: Re: Is He My Father?
Post by: matahari on May 19, 2007, 03:06:11 PM
What story do we think ben gave alex? her mom dies in child-birth. How did ben convince the other natives into lying to alex? Has danielle spoken with karl or alex yet?

Ben dies. I don't know Puff. He's too good of an actor to get rid of. Why give him an awesome backstory just to kill him off?
Title: Re: Is He My Father?
Post by: Ladybug on May 19, 2007, 03:21:21 PM
Ben is evil....evil as in fruit of the devil evil.  Ben will die (I predict) in the finale.
nah, too many unanswered questions about him and to central to the others story/history.
Title: Re: Is He My Father?
Post by: ChellyKins on May 19, 2007, 04:09:01 PM
who else thought that when alex started running she was going to save locke.. i got pwned.

Seen this and couldn't read any further until I knew what the heck does "pwned" mean??
Title: Re: Is He My Father?
Post by: ChellyKins on May 19, 2007, 04:18:45 PM
When she said that to Karl, I just took it at face value. She heard from Sayid that her "father" was lying to her..or however he said it that night..and her mind has been working OT since then to figure it all out. Karl is someone she loves and confides in. His look reminded me of something like "I know I know...". (Men, you should be able to understand that look. It's the same one your wives give you when you haven't done something that you know you were supposed to do..you've got her mouth running again...) She's been raised by Ben, she's going to be better at manipulating than Ben and in the end it will be her that nails him one way or the other. But not this season. IMO...
Title: Re: Is He My Father?
Post by: buzmeg on May 19, 2007, 05:23:32 PM
When, where, and with whom was Alex conceived? How did her conception/birth survive The Island?
Title: Re: Is He My Father?
Post by: DirtyMaggieMae on May 19, 2007, 05:56:26 PM
What about Karl being a "native/hostile"?  Is that an option or a possibility?  I think so, we don't know that much of him.  I really think it could be and that is why he and Alex are not allowed to be together.  hmmmm

I have also been wondering about Karl's origin.  He seems to be about the same age as Alex.  Forgive my poor understanding of the purge, but it seems like Ben didn't have a baby when Dharma was gassed.  So it was after that, and 16 years ago, that Ben ended up with Alex.  If Karl came to the island after the purge, can we assume he was recruited like Mikhail was?  I doubt it.  Karl doesn't seem to have any specialty to be summoned across the world.  Maybe he has special ability like Walt, but we haven't seen it if he does.  So.  Either Karl was brought along by his parents with Dharma like Ben, and the Hostiles took him in, or he was on the island like the 'natives.' 
Title: Re: Is He My Father?
Post by: scrod on May 19, 2007, 05:59:36 PM
who else thought that when alex started running she was going to save locke.. i got pwned.

Seen this and couldn't read any further until I knew what the heck does "pwned" mean??
Internet game geek term for beaten down, in context here used because the person felt defeated by making an incorrect assumption.
Title: Re: Is He My Father?
Post by: scrod on May 19, 2007, 06:03:57 PM
The timing of Alex and Karl's age being the same as Rousseau's stated arrival date on the island seems to much to ignore.  Whether they were Dharma re-supply or something else remains to be seen.  I don't think Rousseau has been 100% forthcoming in all of her answers.  My bet is Karl is an orphan for some time.
Title: Re: Is He My Father?
Post by: DirtyMaggieMae on May 19, 2007, 06:27:35 PM
OR Rousseau had twins and didn't know it.
Title: Re: Is He My Father?
Post by: puff6962 on May 19, 2007, 07:32:40 PM
Where are the children?  I asked this a couple of weeks ago after the brig episode.  I missed the details and didn't ever get a chance to review the episode....but are you guys sure that they showed all of the tailie kids that were taken?  I don't think that I've seen any kids (except Alex/Carl) in the last couple of weeks either. 

Anyway, it is reasonable to assume that some of the kiddies that were in school with Ben were around for the purge as well.  Did they all get gassed?  I would presume that the writers don't want to go there....killing kids after showing them in a school.....or were there no kids?

To take the latter train of thought, we would have to conclude that Dharma recruited you, wouldn't let you leave, didn't allow any more kids or pregnant ladies in, and had the same reproductive problems as the others.

So, combining the two, no gassing of kids and therefore no kids means that Dharma became something of Ann Lee's Shaker movement that opposed procreation entirely....or the Dharma people couldn't have kids either.

It would seem that if the Dharma people were aware of reproduction difficulties that they might not allow anymore women to come onto the island.  If there were no women, then the men would probably stop cleaning up and would probably watch too much television.  Because they were watching too much television, they didn't notice that these poorly dressed natives were meandering about planting gas canisters and donning gas masks.

So I think that likely Dharma was aware of the reproduction difficulties.

Anyway, if we don't see these kids around now who were taken, then where did they go?  Another group of others?

If the writers need an "out" to gassing kids, did the natives take the kids before the gassing?  Most likely choice and would give a nice origin to Carl who would have been conceived off the island, both parents gone, and raised by the natives as their own.

On the issue of the thread....Is he my father?....If you remember Alex's quote to Locke about Ben's manipulation, I think that it belies the feelings behind her most recent comment.  She has been manipulated into accepting a father figure the same way that Locke was....now it's time for her to get over it.

Alex will be the source of Ben's downfall.
Title: Re: Is He My Father?
Post by: ChellyKins on May 19, 2007, 07:53:43 PM
who else thought that when alex started running she was going to save locke.. i got pwned.

Seen this and couldn't read any further until I knew what the heck does "pwned" mean??
Internet game geek term for beaten down, in context here used because the person felt defeated by making an incorrect assumption.


I kinda got that from the context..but what do the actual letters stand for?
Title: Re: Is He My Father?
Post by: ChellyKins on May 19, 2007, 07:54:27 PM
The timing of Alex and Karl's age being the same as Rousseau's stated arrival date on the island seems to much to ignore.  Whether they were Dharma re-supply or something else remains to be seen.  I don't think Rousseau has been 100% forthcoming in all of her answers.  My bet is Karl is an orphan for some time.


Good point...I've never questioned her level of honesty.
Title: Re: Is He My Father?
Post by: DirtyMaggieMae on May 19, 2007, 07:57:33 PM
I would have to say that Dharma may have stopped bringing people to the island after they formed their initial community.  If that is the case, then all the other children Ben went to school with would be adults by now.  Hopefully the Hostiles wouldn't sink so low as to kill the kids.  If there actually were children from Dharma on the island it would seem like the Others would have taken them just like they took the kids from the plane. 

As far as your first question goes Puff, I only remember two kids from the crash.  Brother and sister that were taken the (second?) night.  They were with Cindy when Jack saw them.  That is my recollection.

*I thought 'pwned' was just mistyped 'owned' that took off as its own word
Title: Re: Is He My Father?
Post by: ChellyKins on May 19, 2007, 08:16:31 PM
As sick and twisted as this BEN character is seeming to be...I HIGHLY doubt that our Lost Writers are taking us thru a child killing situation. If Ben's clan (NOW) kidnaps kids, what in the heck makes anyone think they didn't do it BEFORE? I would guarantee they took kids back in the day by the way the teacher was quick to chainlock the doors and hide the kids to the side of the classroom.
Title: Re: Is He My Father?
Post by: PrincessLeia on May 19, 2007, 08:51:29 PM
Ben's classmates would have all been young adults as Ben was by the time the Purge took place.  We didn't see any infants on the island, & we have to assume that the women weren't successfully giving birth all of those years, so I believe that Ben's generation of children were the last kids until Karl & Alex, & Zack & Emma.

Wheretheheck did Karl come from??  That's my big question right now. ???
Title: Re: Is He My Father?
Post by: scrod on May 20, 2007, 01:11:50 AM
*I thought 'pwned' was just mistyped 'owned' that took off as its own word
Me too, just as I have seen several people do 'teh' on purpose in place of 'the'
Title: Re: Is He My Father?
Post by: ChellyKins on May 20, 2007, 01:17:10 AM
*I thought 'pwned' was just mistyped 'owned' that took off as its own word
Me too, just as I have seen several people do 'teh' on purpose in place of 'the'

DERRR chelle!! Get with it...


Thanks guys.
Title: Re: Is He My Father?
Post by: puff6962 on May 20, 2007, 02:09:34 AM
Perhaps Carl is the white step-son of the real Henry Gale and was raised by the others like a pack of wolves taking in a child.  Or, perhaps, the Others initially COULD have kids and it was only after the Benocaust that pregnancy was a deadly disease upon the island.  Sortof the island's version of payback.  I really like that one as it would explain Ben's preoccupation with making babies......since he is the one who spread this doom upon the once prolific natives.  Yes, that would make a lot of sense wouldn't it? 

The Dharma people, and the pre-Ben natives, could have children very normally.  It was only after the gassing that nature went awry.  Possibly, one could argue that it was due to the chemicals in the gas effecting the food chain....agent orange type stuff.....or it could be the island's masterful karma in action.

I'm going for the former....Ben's gas produced a Gulf War Syndrome picture in the Others (particularly the females).

A 2004 British study comparing 24,000 Gulf War veterans to a control group found that those who had taken part in the war had lower fertility and are 40 to 50% more likely to be unable to start a pregnancy. Among Gulf war soldiers, failure to conceive was 2.5% vs. 1.7% in the control group, and the rate of miscarriage was 3.4% vs. 2.3%.

Now, certainly these numbers wouldn't suggest the death of every mother exposed the Ben's cocktail, but it is interesting.  On a confined island, the effects of the gas....particularly in conjunction with whatever bizarre vaccines were given....may be magnified.

In this scenario, all who were on the island would be susceptible to the effects of the chemicals as they have possibly entered into the food chain.  Of course, the losties didn't get any vaccinations upon arrival....so maybe Sun will live.

The others should have recruited an epidemiologist rather than a fertility specialist who is not that attractive.  In the end, it is clear to me that the island's two scourges....death to mommies and the monster....are a direct result of the Benocaust!
Title: Re: Is He My Father?
Post by: ChellyKins on May 20, 2007, 02:11:44 AM
SHORTEN YOUR POSTS>>>>I GET HEADACHES TRYING TO READ YOUR THEORIES/IDEAS!!
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Post by: DirtyMaggieMae on May 20, 2007, 02:13:44 AM
I wonder why if it WAS chemicals that caused the women to miscarriage, then why is the men's sperm count 5 times higher?
Title: Re: Is He My Father?
Post by: ChellyKins on May 20, 2007, 02:14:36 AM
Lack of women to be with...less sex...higher counts.



Not really my theory, just wanted to chime in.
Title: Re: Is He My Father?
Post by: scrod on May 20, 2007, 02:18:44 AM
Lack of women to be with...less sex...higher counts.
Not really my theory, just wanted to chime in.
Umm, I don't think it concentrates over time...
maybe the electromagnetism is a reverse effect of x-rays, which supposedly kill off your little swimmers
Title: Re: Is He My Father?
Post by: ChellyKins on May 20, 2007, 02:26:37 AM
Lack of women to be with...less sex...higher counts.
Not really my theory, just wanted to chime in.
Umm, I don't think it concentrates over time...
maybe the electromagnetism is a reverse effect of x-rays, which supposedly kill off your little swimmers


Well if it doesn't build up, why do the doc's tell you to SLOW down and do it less often? Make the lil shots worth more that way!
Title: Re: Is He My Father?
Post by: scrod on May 20, 2007, 02:28:17 AM
SHORTEN YOUR POSTS>>>>I GET HEADACHES TRYING TO READ YOUR THEORIES/IDEAS!!
A good post should like a ladies skirt -
brief enough to capture the attention and long enough to cover the essential bits.
Title: Re: Is He My Father?
Post by: ChellyKins on May 20, 2007, 02:45:59 AM
SHORTEN YOUR POSTS>>>>I GET HEADACHES TRYING TO READ YOUR THEORIES/IDEAS!!
A good post should like a ladies skirt -
brief enough to capture the attention and long enough to cover the essential bits.

Words from a wise wise man...lol
Title: Re: Is He My Father?
Post by: puff6962 on May 20, 2007, 10:21:54 AM
I wonder why if it WAS chemicals that caused the women to miscarriage, then why is the men's sperm count 5 times higher?

Ah, even more of a scourge....


Get the superhigh sperm counts, women get pregnant, but they die.  All the men are left bereft and horny.
Title: Re: Is He My Father?
Post by: Blitz Wing on May 21, 2007, 09:20:26 AM
Perhaps Alex recently found out that Ben's not her real father, that's why Ben says to Locke "You should know my daughter currently hates me" during the Episode when Locke blows up the sub. Or maybe Alex is just mad at Ben for what he did to Karl.

It would be interesting to see what Karl's history is.....for whatever reason it seems like Ben can abuse the crap out of Karl and none of the Others object. I would guess that Karl didn't get recruited, he's probably somebody that crashed on the Island somehow.

I'm not so sure about the "Nobody can give birth on the Island" thing that Ben's working on. As far as we know only the Others are having this problem. Claire was able to give birth. Maybe the Others are the only people affected by this, maybe Dharma was not affected by this.

As for the Gasing of any possible Dharma children when Ben turned traitor......I would say the Others probably would have gassed any Dharma children present in the Barracks. They wouldn't have attempt to kidnap any children there beforehand, as that may screw up their plan. Of course since it's a TV show it's probably best to assume there's no presence of Dharma children. But realistically speaking, if the Others were willing to Gas the whole Dharma barracks and kill everybody there including young adults (Some of those people in the background looked pretty young), I wouldn't doubt the Others would kill children. I'm guessing Ben started the children/women abduction after he joined up with the Others (After the Gassing).

I think in the end Alex will be put in a position where she will be expected to kill Ben, but unlike Ben killing his own father, Alex will not kill Ben.
Title: Re: Is He My Father?
Post by: Sunflower on May 21, 2007, 12:27:13 PM
In that story she would be like Locke and have someone else do it for her.
Title: Re: Is He My Father?
Post by: DirtyMaggieMae on May 21, 2007, 12:29:35 PM
Like Richard?  I would love to see him kill Ben...
Title: Re: Is He My Father?
Post by: Ladybug on May 21, 2007, 12:47:19 PM
SHORTEN YOUR POSTS>>>>I GET HEADACHES TRYING TO READ YOUR THEORIES/IDEAS!!
i just skip them.
Title: Re: Is He My Father?
Post by: puff6962 on May 21, 2007, 01:22:22 PM
There will be another group of "others".....other others.....who did not partake in the gassing.  There may, in fact, be a significant number of natives. 

Is that where the others are heading?  Will we finally get some glimpse of the forest when we've been stuck on a tree.

Title: Re: Is He My Father?
Post by: Sunflower on May 21, 2007, 03:52:43 PM
You know, I understood from the recap show that the "others" are actually the natives.  They said the "others" were fighting with Dharma.
Title: Re: Is He My Father?
Post by: puff6962 on May 21, 2007, 04:07:41 PM
the others we have seen are part of the "natives" and "hostiles," but are they the totality.  will we get introduced to a whole new cast of native characters next season.....i would bet on it, they will need some new characters to develop if they are to use the same flashback formula next year (or they must find a way to bring back the dead....Christian lives!).  in any event, there has to be a major reshuffling of the characters in focus and a major realignment/definition of the roles of the two (one is white and one is black) teams.

i still hope that alex whacks her father, but if that doesn't happen.....then she needs to be on the opposite side of his team.
Title: Re: Is He My Father?
Post by: Madam P on May 21, 2007, 10:55:30 PM
I'm not so sure about the "Nobody can give birth on the Island" thing that Ben's working on. As far as we know only the Others are having this problem. Claire was able to give birth. Maybe the Others are the only people affected by this, maybe Dharma was not affected by this.

Didn't we learn from Juliet's talk with Sun that the only ones who have problems are ones who conceived on the island?  If you're pregnant when you get there, like Claire and presumably Rousseau, then there's no problem. 

I have a hard time imagining Ben as Alex's biological father.  Kidnapped and "adopted" maybe.  I don't know what to think about Karl.  Someone speculated he was Ben and Annie's child and that Annie died in childbirth and that's why Ben has this fixation on the baby thing.  That would also explain his objection to his two kids having a love affair... LOL...
Title: Re: Is He My Father?
Post by: puff6962 on May 22, 2007, 12:29:52 AM
Ben is gay and Tom was his biattch.  Alex has two daddies...
Title: Re: Is He My Father?
Post by: Sunflower on May 22, 2007, 12:54:23 AM
2 men and a baby  :D
Title: Re: Is He My Father?
Post by: puff6962 on May 22, 2007, 12:58:47 AM
two and a half.
Title: Re: Is He My Father?
Post by: LouE68 on May 22, 2007, 12:59:04 AM
Wow talk about thread jacked....LOL
Title: Re: Is He My Father?
Post by: Sunflower on May 22, 2007, 12:59:32 AM
Exactly!  ;)
Title: Re: Is He My Father?
Post by: puff6962 on May 22, 2007, 01:00:15 AM
SHORTEN YOUR POSTS>>>>I GET HEADACHES TRYING TO READ YOUR THEORIES/IDEAS!!
i just skip them.

I read your posts in their entirety.   ;)
Title: Re: Is He My Father?
Post by: puff6962 on May 22, 2007, 01:02:24 AM
So Lou, did you see my theory about the monster represents the souls of those who died upon the island?  That would mean that it got a lot stronger and a lot more pissed after all those Dharma people were thrown into a pit.  I think that this would be the link between the whispers and the monster.
Title: Re: Is He My Father?
Post by: Blitz Wing on May 22, 2007, 02:45:35 AM
I'm not buying the whole "Can't give birth on the Island" thing yet....even if Juliette says it's women that conceived on the Island.

The reason I'm not believing it yet is because in earlier seasons.....there was a big deal made of the "Sickness". To date we have not seen any real "Sickness". Desmond stayed in the Hatch shooting himself up with the Dharma Serum for 3 years thinking there's some "Sickness"......but it turns out that Kelvin was lying about the Quarantine. Desmond continued to shoot himself up with the Serum until the Swan Hatch blew up (Well actually since he ran away from the Swan but I think he took some with him). Anyways I'm presuming he has no more Serum when he came back with his sailboat.....and he hasn't gotten sick. So based on that the “Sickness” seems to be BS, so I'm also considering the "Can't give birth on the Island" thing is BS too until we see somebody other than the Others die of child birth. I’m thinking it’s an Others only medical condition.

Sidenote: Desmond and the Serum......hmmm, do you think the Serum suppressed his Future Seeing ability? Maybe the Serum suppresses special people's Island Super Powers!  :)
Title: Re: Is He My Father?
Post by: nikarro on May 22, 2007, 07:32:17 AM
So Lou, did you see my theory about the monster represents the souls of those who died upon the island?  That would mean that it got a lot stronger and a lot more pissed after all those Dharma people were thrown into a pit.  I think that this would be the link between the whispers and the monster.


Hey I liked that theory
Title: Re: Is He My Father?
Post by: Ladybug on May 22, 2007, 02:18:39 PM
Ben is gay and Tom was his biattch.  Alex has two daddies...
lol.  BenGay.  get it?

SHORTEN YOUR POSTS>>>>I GET HEADACHES TRYING TO READ YOUR THEORIES/IDEAS!!
i just skip them.

I read your posts in their entirety.   ;)
short and sweet.  just like pl.
Title: Re: Is He My Father?
Post by: zeekloveslost on May 22, 2007, 02:50:46 PM
SHORTEN YOUR POSTS>>>>I GET HEADACHES TRYING TO READ YOUR THEORIES/IDEAS!!
i just skip them.

It's disheartening to read comments like this from Ladybug and Chelle. I think Puff contributes some of the most interesting posts to the forums and I'd hate if these discouraging comments made him post less often or with posts that didn't fully explain his point.

Puff, please know you have a fan in me.
Title: Re: Is He My Father?
Post by: PrincessLeia on May 22, 2007, 07:46:30 PM
SHORTEN YOUR POSTS>>>>I GET HEADACHES TRYING TO READ YOUR THEORIES/IDEAS!!
i just skip them.

I read your posts in their entirety.   ;)
short and sweet.  just like pl.
:-*

I'm not buying the whole "Can't give birth on the Island" thing yet....even if Juliette says it's women that conceived on the Island.

The reason I'm not believing it yet is because in earlier seasons.....there was a big deal made of the "Sickness". To date we have not seen any real "Sickness". Desmond stayed in the Hatch shooting himself up with the Dharma Serum for 3 years thinking there's some "Sickness"......but it turns out that Kelvin was lying about the Quarantine. Desmond continued to shoot himself up with the Serum until the Swan Hatch blew up (Well actually since he ran away from the Swan but I think he took some with him). Anyways I'm presuming he has no more Serum when he came back with his sailboat.....and he hasn't gotten sick. So based on that the “Sickness” seems to be BS, so I'm also considering the "Can't give birth on the Island" thing is BS too until we see somebody other than the Others die of child birth. I’m thinking it’s an Others only medical condition.

Sidenote: Desmond and the Serum......hmmm, do you think the Serum suppressed his Future Seeing ability? Maybe the Serum suppresses special people's Island Super Powers!  :)

The most recent puzzle (which have been called "canon" by the script coordinator) contained hidden clues that indicated that the sickness was (is)
Spoiler
a hoax.

http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Jigsaw_puzzles
Title: Re: Is He My Father?
Post by: ChellyKins on May 22, 2007, 07:59:30 PM
SHORTEN YOUR POSTS>>>>I GET HEADACHES TRYING TO READ YOUR THEORIES/IDEAS!!
i just skip them.

I read your posts in their entirety.   ;)
It's nothing personal Puff...I think you rock! But it's a bummer to read thru 100 word essays about a certain topic is all. ABSOLUTELY nothing personal at all ever!
Title: Re: Is He My Father?
Post by: puff6962 on May 22, 2007, 08:13:27 PM
If you want me to speak for a week, I'll be ready in five minutes.  If you want me to speak for five minutes, then I'll be ready in a week.

Theodore Roosevelt.

Title: Re: Is He My Father?
Post by: ChellyKins on May 22, 2007, 08:21:37 PM
If you want me to speak for a week, I'll be ready in five minutes.  If you want me to speak for five minutes, then I'll be ready in a week.

Theodore Roosevelt.



You're crazy lol
Title: Re: Is He My Father?
Post by: Madam P on May 23, 2007, 02:13:55 AM
PrincessLeia,
Spoiler
that's interesting about clue for the sickness being a hoax!  So that makes me wonder even more about Rousseau... not that she's not a whole mystery unto herself already, but if her "crew" didn't die from a sickness, what did they die of?  Or did she even have a crew?  Hmmm...
  Thanks for that tip!
Title: Re: Is He My Father?
Post by: PrincessLeia on May 23, 2007, 03:17:13 AM
PrincessLeia,
Spoiler
that's interesting about clue for the sickness being a hoax!  So that makes me wonder even more about Rousseau... not that she's not a whole mystery unto herself already, but if her "crew" didn't die from a sickness, what did they die of?  Or did she even have a crew?  Hmmm...
  Thanks for that tip!
WE NEED A FLASHBACK!!! :)
Title: Re: Is He My Father?
Post by: nikarro on May 23, 2007, 03:03:59 PM
If you want me to speak for a week, I'll be ready in five minutes.  If you want me to speak for five minutes, then I'll be ready in a week.

Theodore Roosevelt.




That is a great great quote
Title: Re: Is He My Father?
Post by: puff6962 on May 23, 2007, 04:23:39 PM
Gracias
Title: Re: Is He My Father?
Post by: puff6962 on May 23, 2007, 05:43:18 PM
The important question on this thread is will Alex meet her mother?  I think that it would be appropriate just as Ben is getting slapped around a little bit.  Little bastard.
Title: Re: Is He My Father?
Post by: misseko815 on May 23, 2007, 06:45:27 PM
The important question on this thread is will Alex meet her mother?  I think that it would be appropriate just as Ben is getting slapped around a little bit.  Little bastard.

LOL puff!
Very fitting!
and who deserves to smack him around the most? Probably Danielle and Alex!!!
Title: Re: Is He My Father?
Post by: PrincessLeia on May 24, 2007, 10:11:33 PM
The important question on this thread is will Alex meet her mother?  I think that it would be appropriate just as Ben is getting slapped around a little bit.  Little bastard.
I actually pitied Ben as he was on the ground, bloody, in front of them, & finally confessed the truth to Alex. :-\
Title: Re: Is He My Father?
Post by: scrod on May 24, 2007, 10:47:29 PM
The important question on this thread is will Alex meet her mother?  I think that it would be appropriate just as Ben is getting slapped around a little bit.  Little bastard.
I actually pitied Ben as he was on the ground, bloody, in front of them, & finally confessed the truth to Alex. :-\
Thank God it wasn't just me then.  I started feeling bad 2 weeks ago.  worst.  birthdays.  ever...
Title: Re: Is He My Father?
Post by: PrincessLeia on May 24, 2007, 10:50:44 PM
He's obviously still evil, but last night's episode surely showed us that @ least ONE person (Jack) is now thinking that maybe Ben was right. :-\
Title: Re: Is He My Father?
Post by: scrod on May 24, 2007, 10:52:53 PM
We know Locke thinks that way too.  he kilt Naomi with ease.

But his house of lies is rapidly coming down around his ears.  Ben better hope Mikhail is dead.
Title: Re: Is He My Father?
Post by: PrincessLeia on May 24, 2007, 10:58:00 PM
We know Locke thinks that way too.  he kilt Naomi with ease.

But his house of lies is rapidly coming down around his ears.  Ben better hope Mikhail is dead.
Why do you say this?  I thought Mikhail (above all others) showed his loyalty to Ben last night.
Title: Re: Is He My Father?
Post by: scrod on May 24, 2007, 11:15:19 PM
Yes, but he may want direct answers from Ben, too