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Episode Discussion (Spoiler Free) => Season 3 => Episode 3x21 => Topic started by: nikarro on May 17, 2007, 12:03:41 AM

Title: Why was Desmond's Flash wrong, or did he just tell Charlie a lie?
Post by: nikarro on May 17, 2007, 12:03:41 AM
He said that he would go to the underwater hatch, flip the switch and die, so if this was what he was supposed to do, why did it not happen that way?
Title: Re: Why was Desmond's Flash wrong, or did he just tell Charlie a lie?
Post by: AstroJones on May 17, 2007, 12:05:45 AM
yeah, but we've seen Desmond's flashes don't usually show everything

He probably saw him swimming.  Saw him walking in the hatch.  Saw him flip a switch.  And then saw him die.  He just didn't see the part where Charlie was captured and tortured by those chicks.

In otherwords, charlie is going to get away from them, flip the switch, and maybe die in the process.  Next week.  Or more like Next January.
Title: Re: Why was Desmond's Flash wrong, or did he just tell Charlie a lie?
Post by: ozman776 on May 17, 2007, 12:06:18 AM
shows a yellow blinking light in the preview for next week...so it can and will still happen imho....
Title: Re: Why was Desmond's Flash wrong, or did he just tell Charlie a lie?
Post by: JMart on May 17, 2007, 12:07:01 AM
astro, lol.. i sense ur frustration with having to wait 8 months, me too yo, me too




it makes me sad :(
Title: Re: Why was Desmond's Flash wrong, or did he just tell Charlie a lie?
Post by: kkehoe5 on May 17, 2007, 12:07:13 AM
Sent charlie first to get captured and later will go in himself to save Charlie and flip the switch.
Title: Re: Why was Desmond's Flash wrong, or did he just tell Charlie a lie?
Post by: ChellyKins on May 17, 2007, 12:07:22 AM
I seen Des in the background down in that hatch...think maybe he helps Charlie get the better of the ladies and then they flip the switch?? Me thinks there is something more to all of this. ;)
Title: Re: Why was Desmond's Flash wrong, or did he just tell Charlie a lie?
Post by: ozman776 on May 17, 2007, 12:09:14 AM
charlie will feel right at home being tied up by 2 major hotties.... whatta way to go out....
Title: Re: Why was Desmond's Flash wrong, or did he just tell Charlie a lie?
Post by: puff6962 on May 17, 2007, 12:11:35 AM
I know they have to fill 48 more episodes, but how long are they going to milk Charlie's fate?

Title: Re: Why was Desmond's Flash wrong, or did he just tell Charlie a lie?
Post by: AstroJones on May 17, 2007, 12:12:12 AM
47 more episodes.
Title: Re: Why was Desmond's Flash wrong, or did he just tell Charlie a lie?
Post by: JMart on May 17, 2007, 12:12:48 AM
nice thread, really useful!!!!
Title: Re: Why was Desmond's Flash wrong, or did he just tell Charlie a lie?
Post by: ChellyKins on May 17, 2007, 12:13:16 AM
A REAL SPOILER INSIDE!!
Next week he dies...finale shows
Title: Re: Why was Desmond's Flash wrong, or did he just tell Charlie a lie?
Post by: JMart on May 17, 2007, 12:17:05 AM
sh*t, i thought that was a fake spoiler and clicked it.. :'(
Title: Re: Why was Desmond's Flash wrong, or did he just tell Charlie a lie?
Post by: airdudei on May 17, 2007, 12:19:14 AM
charlie will feel right at home being tied up by 2 major hotties.... whatta way to go out....

Reminds me of that porn I watched yesterday
Title: Re: Why was Desmond's Flash wrong, or did he just tell Charlie a lie?
Post by: puff6962 on May 17, 2007, 12:25:03 AM
Desmond's flash has not yet been shown to be false. 
Title: Re: Why was Desmond's Flash wrong, or did he just tell Charlie a lie?
Post by: jugdish on May 17, 2007, 12:32:45 AM
Juliet could of lied about the hatch being flooded. Is she trustworthy yet?

Title: Re: Why was Desmond's Flash wrong, or did he just tell Charlie a lie?
Post by: airdudei on May 17, 2007, 12:33:56 AM
Juliet could of lied about the hatch being flooded. Is she trustworthy yet?



Just because it was flooded doesn't mean that it stopped working, which could be a reason somehow why they don't need the power cord and why the dang idiots didn't just cut the bloody wire!
Title: Re: Why was Desmond's Flash wrong, or did he just tell Charlie a lie?
Post by: JMart on May 17, 2007, 12:34:27 AM
yeah for real juggy.. flooded my ass.. that **** looked perfectly built to be underwater.
Title: Re: Why was Desmond's Flash wrong, or did he just tell Charlie a lie?
Post by: DaddyBeast on May 17, 2007, 12:51:16 AM
Juliet could of lied about the hatch being flooded. Is she trustworthy yet?



Ben lied to Juliet just like he lies to everyone else.  Jacob never told Ben to do anything.
Title: Re: Why was Desmond's Flash wrong, or did he just tell Charlie a lie?
Post by: jugdish on May 17, 2007, 01:00:32 AM
Juliet could of lied about the hatch being flooded. Is she trustworthy yet?



Ben lied to Juliet just like he lies to everyone else.  Jacob never told Ben to do anything.

That is true, Juliet just repeated what she was told, they might of lied to her.

Plus desmond had the vision, so they were suppose to go.
Title: Re: Why was Desmond's Flash wrong, or did he just tell Charlie a lie?
Post by: a_dot_out on May 17, 2007, 02:28:18 AM
I'll put my money on Charlie heroically meeting his death near the end of the first hour next week. Charlie must meet his fate/destiny and very soon.
Title: Re: Why was Desmond's Flash wrong, or did he just tell Charlie a lie?
Post by: lost_soul12 on May 17, 2007, 03:47:17 AM
I dont think charlie will die desmon keeps getting those flashes because he's ment to keep charlie alive remember - "Save the junkie , Save the world
Title: Re: Why was Desmond's Flash wrong, or did he just tell Charlie a lie?
Post by: Sunflower on May 17, 2007, 04:31:21 AM
I'll put my money on Charlie heroically meeting his death near the end of the first hour next week. Charlie must meet his fate/destiny and very soon.
Yes, the time has come.  Desmond is spot on and way more useful to Lost plot than Charlie is.  YEAH!  I SAID IT!

Yes, Juliet is Team Losties now.

Title: Re: Why was Desmond's Flash wrong, or did he just tell Charlie a lie?
Post by: musepsycho on May 17, 2007, 07:30:55 AM
Another question: Has Desmond ever had a flash of events where he wasn't present? He's still up in the boat, so won't he have to dive down after Charlie for the flash to make sense?
Title: Re: Why was Desmond's Flash wrong, or did he just tell Charlie a lie?
Post by: Maxor127 on May 17, 2007, 08:04:56 AM
I think Charlie will live.  Either way, his fate is supposed to be decided by the end of this season, so it has to be wrapped up in the finale.  But if he dies, oh well.  I'm just glad they broke the format of showing a worthless flashback and killing the character off at the end of the episode.
Title: Re: Why was Desmond's Flash wrong, or did he just tell Charlie a lie?
Post by: lostieloo on May 17, 2007, 09:25:50 AM
I don't think Desmond is always in the flash to begin with...he had that flash about Charlie drowning trying to save Clair, but he wasn't in the situation till he put himself in the situation, saving Clair himself.
Title: Re: Why was Desmond's Flash wrong, or did he just tell Charlie a lie?
Post by: red255 on May 17, 2007, 09:58:10 AM
Sent charlie first to get captured and later will go in himself to save Charlie and flip the switch.
I agree. I think he knew all along that Charlie needed to go in first to distract the people in the hatch, that would be Charlie sacrificing himself to get the job done. Preview for next week shows them beating Charlie up, maybe he falls in the water at some point and that is what Des saw and took it as Charlie drowning.
I think all along it has been Des's Destiny to keep Charlie alive to get to this point.  Maybe this is a part of how Des is suppose to change, he was a very hard person when they first meet him and now he is more compassionate. The whole thing with Charlie and the flashes has made him, at least seem, more compassionate.
If you know the words to the Wonderwall song part of it says "cause your the one that saves me" (or something like that) maybe we were suppose to pay more attention to that.
Just some thoughts!
Title: Re: Why was Desmond's Flash wrong, or did he just tell Charlie a lie?
Post by: on the island on May 17, 2007, 10:01:23 AM
I thought Des said he was in a room (paraphrasing) with some women, he flips a switch and then drowns.  That is still possible.
Title: Re: Why was Desmond's Flash wrong, or did he just tell Charlie a lie?
Post by: ILoveLost on May 17, 2007, 10:01:33 AM
Actually I think Desmond said to Charlie something like I see you in a hatc surrounded by women, there is a yellow blinking light and you flip a switch and drown. Not an exact quote but I remember thinking "Surrounded by women?"
Title: Re: Why was Desmond's Flash wrong, or did he just tell Charlie a lie?
Post by: red255 on May 17, 2007, 10:16:27 AM
So the switch could not only turn off the signal jammer but also flood the hatch, kind of like the code that Locke put in to the computer at the arrow (I think) station and blew it up. Was this DHARMAS way of making sure the Natives could not get off the Island or communicate with the rest of the world?
Title: Re: Why was Desmond's Flash wrong, or did he just tell Charlie a lie?
Post by: surfmadpig on May 17, 2007, 10:37:36 AM
Desmond's flash did not necesarily NOT come true, because it can happen in the next episode. But, the fact that we weren't shown it deliberately makes us suspicious. Also, the fact that they chose to show Charlie being there in the rain with his guitar and Desmond not being there should make us suspicious.

no way to tell yet.
Title: Re: Why was Desmond's Flash wrong, or did he just tell Charlie a lie?
Post by: jugdish on May 17, 2007, 10:42:33 AM
It was a different scene, different day.
Title: Re: Why was Desmond's Flash wrong, or did he just tell Charlie a lie?
Post by: surfmadpig on May 17, 2007, 02:20:32 PM
It was a different scene, different day.

I agree, but the fact that they decided to show it to viewers in the same episode that things don't turn out exactly as Desmond foresaw them hints at something. It might be a red herring, but it's definately there.
Title: Re: Why was Desmond's Flash wrong, or did he just tell Charlie a lie?
Post by: Angell on May 17, 2007, 02:49:21 PM
I think that Charlie and Desmond were misinterpreting the vision.
Desmond said that he saw Claire and the baby getting on a helicopter.
Charlie says: A resuce helicopter? We're getting rescued?

I think instead that Namoi is in cahoots with the Others. Jack said that they marked three tents? Why three? Sun is pregnant. We assume Kate is pregnant. Who would be third? The only other major female characters are Claire and (now back again) Rose.

So when it comes time for the Others to take the women, I think it will be Claire, Sun, and Kate and that they will leave in a helicopter that came from Naomi's boat.

Angell
Title: Re: Why was Desmond's Flash wrong, or did he just tell Charlie a lie?
Post by: jugdish on May 17, 2007, 03:32:51 PM
Actually I think Desmond said to Charlie something like I see you in a hatc surrounded by women, there is a yellow blinking light and you flip a switch and drown. Not an exact quote but I remember thinking "Surrounded by women?"

According to Jeff Jensen at ew.com he said surronded by gunmen
Title: Re: Why was Desmond's Flash wrong, or did he just tell Charlie a lie?
Post by: misseko815 on May 17, 2007, 03:39:41 PM
I actually posted some of this in another thread, because I hadn't seen this one yet, but last night for the first time in a long time, I found myself not trusting Des. I think it's a possibility that he could be others-influenced. Time will tell.
Title: Re: Why was Desmond's Flash wrong, or did he just tell Charlie a lie?
Post by: WhatThe on May 17, 2007, 04:13:29 PM
47 more episodes.

LOL!!
Title: Re: Why was Desmond's Flash wrong, or did he just tell Charlie a lie?
Post by: Sunflower on May 17, 2007, 04:20:13 PM
I actually posted some of this in another thread, because I hadn't seen this one yet, but last night for the first time in a long time, I found myself not trusting Des. I think it's a possibility that he could be others-influenced. Time will tell.
WHAT??  No way!
Title: Re: Why was Desmond's Flash wrong, or did he just tell Charlie a lie?
Post by: a_dot_out on May 17, 2007, 04:41:23 PM
Even if Desmond makes an appearance in the Looking Glass, Charlie must die in the finale. This past episode was done well and was excellent closure in his character should TPTB choose to end Charlie in the finale. Charlie has run his course and it is time to leave. I'm not saying this because I am hungry to see the death of another character, I feel it needs to happen. Charlie is living out his swan-song in front of our eyes, his new greatest hit so to speak. A perfect way to go out with some honor and dignity. Goodbye Charlie.
Title: Re: Why was Desmond's Flash wrong, or did he just tell Charlie a lie?
Post by: nikarro on May 17, 2007, 08:10:38 PM
Even if Desmond makes an appearance in the Looking Glass, Charlie must die in the finale. This past episode was done well and was excellent closure in his character should TPTB choose to end Charlie in the finale. Charlie has run his course and it is time to leave. I'm not saying this because I am hungry to see the death of another character, I feel it needs to happen. Charlie is living out his swan-song in front of our eyes, his new greatest hit so to speak. A perfect way to go out with some honor and dignity. Goodbye Charlie.

I agree with this!  I like charlie a lot but they did SO WELL for his ending
Title: Re: Why was Desmond's Flash wrong, or did he just tell Charlie a lie?
Post by: PrincessLeia on May 17, 2007, 08:19:53 PM
I think instead that Namoi is in cahoots with the Others. Jack said that they marked three tents? Why three? Sun is pregnant. We assume Kate is pregnant. Who would be third? The only other major female characters are Claire and (now back again) Rose.

So when it comes time for the Others to take the women, I think it will be Claire, Sun, and Kate and that they will leave in a helicopter that came from Naomi's boat.

Angell
The Others are being led to believe that the marked tents are the tents of pregnant women, however WHOSE tent doesn't matter to the Losties (or to us) now as we know that they simply marked the tents that they want the Others to get close to.

Even if Desmond makes an appearance in the Looking Glass, Charlie must die in the finale. This past episode was done well and was excellent closure in his character should TPTB choose to end Charlie in the finale. Charlie has run his course and it is time to leave. I'm not saying this because I am hungry to see the death of another character, I feel it needs to happen. Charlie is living out his swan-song in front of our eyes, his new greatest hit so to speak. A perfect way to go out with some honor and dignity. Goodbye Charlie.

I agree with this!  I like charlie a lot but they did SO WELL for his ending
I third this. ::) :)
Title: Re: Why was Desmond's Flash wrong, or did he just tell Charlie a lie?
Post by: misseko815 on May 18, 2007, 12:27:59 AM
I have a question related to the thread of this topic, and I know that someone in this fab SWLS family will be able to answer it easily. Do we (as viewers) have any "proof" that Des really just kind of floated around for several weeks when he took off on his boat? What if he was in contact with the others during that time? Just a thought...
Title: Re: Why was Desmond's Flash wrong, or did he just tell Charlie a lie?
Post by: Sweet Old Lady on May 18, 2007, 12:45:07 AM
I have a question related to the thread of this topic, and I know that someone in this fab SWLS family will be able to answer it easily. Do we (as viewers) have any "proof" that Des really just kind of floated around for several weeks when he took off on his boat? What if he was in contact with the others during that time? Just a thought...
We don't have any solid proof of it, but he was awfully depressed when he came back.  And drinking to get drunk isn't the smartest thing to do if you have a secret.  I think he really did sail around in circles until he got back to the island.
Title: Re: Why was Desmond's Flash wrong, or did he just tell Charlie a lie?
Post by: misseko815 on May 18, 2007, 12:46:33 AM
I think he probably just sailed around in circles too, but I was trying to think of what Des's motivation for lying would be if he were in fact lying. Thanks SOL! :)
Title: Re: Why was Desmond's Flash wrong, or did he just tell Charlie a lie?
Post by: soccerman on May 18, 2007, 02:27:33 AM
It seems to me that in all of Des's previous flashes he let's it play out and tries to intervene when he can to save Charlie.  His "save Charlie" plans have had to become more involved with each one.

But this time I don't think Charlie would have done this mission to the underwater hatch unless Desmond told him the story.  Charlie not being a great swimmer and not knowing what Jack, Sayid and Juliet were talking about would have never volunteered for this hatch swim.  Sayid would have done it and Jack would have shot dynamite and Kate and Sawyer would lead the group to the tower.

Why does Des tell Charlie the whole story before it happens?  He totally influenced the future.
Title: Re: Why was Desmond's Flash wrong, or did he just tell Charlie a lie?
Post by: Perseus on May 18, 2007, 10:45:06 AM
When Desmond says that Charley will throw the switch and then drown doesn't mean that that's what causes the hatch to flood. In the previews we see Desmond with a spear gun and also standing in front of an in coming flood. Who's to say we have the order of event correct. What if Desmond causes the hatch to flood and Charley throws the switch as a last act of heroism.
Title: Re: Why was Desmond's Flash wrong, or did he just tell Charlie a lie?
Post by: Ladybug on May 18, 2007, 10:48:56 AM
Another question: Has Desmond ever had a flash of events where he wasn't present? He's still up in the boat, so won't he have to dive down after Charlie for the flash to make sense?
great point!  haven't all desmond's flashes had him present?  if he's passed out in the boat, how can he see charlie flip the switch?
Title: Re: Why was Desmond's Flash wrong, or did he just tell Charlie a lie?
Post by: PrincessLeia on May 18, 2007, 01:19:36 PM
Another question: Has Desmond ever had a flash of events where he wasn't present? He's still up in the boat, so won't he have to dive down after Charlie for the flash to make sense?
great point!  haven't all desmond's flashes had him present?  if he's passed out in the boat, how can he see charlie flip the switch?
It seemed as if he wouldn't have otherwise been there for Charlie's attempt to rescue Claire.
Title: Re: Why was Desmond's Flash wrong, or did he just tell Charlie a lie?
Post by: jugdish on May 18, 2007, 03:23:39 PM
Spoiler
I don't think this is such a great observation since the fact that Desmond swims down to the station has and confronts Charlie's captors has already been reviled in the previews.

Please be more senstive, I stay away from spoilers and you just ruined this scene for me. Not cool.
Title: Re: Why was Desmond's Flash wrong, or did he just tell Charlie a lie?
Post by: jugdish on May 18, 2007, 03:24:58 PM
Spoiler
I don't think this is such a great observation since the fact that Desmond swims down to the station has and confronts Charlie's captors has already been reviled in the previews.

Please be more senstive, I stay away from spoilers and you just ruined this scene for me. Not cool. I deleted your spoiler and put a tag in here.
Title: Re: Why was Desmond's Flash wrong, or did he just tell Charlie a lie?
Post by: Perseus on May 18, 2007, 04:27:54 PM
Why would you consider a discussion of the preview a spoiler? If the network airs them then they should be fare game. If they didn't want us to see these images they should not show them.
Title: Re: Why was Desmond's Flash wrong, or did he just tell Charlie a lie?
Post by: jugdish on May 18, 2007, 04:30:23 PM
All I know is I did not see it in the preview I saw on TV. I appears to be a very big event and spoilerish.
Title: Re: Why was Desmond's Flash wrong, or did he just tell Charlie a lie?
Post by: TXFlyboy on May 18, 2007, 05:22:08 PM
Spoiler
(http://gallery.lost-media.com/albums/ep-caps/season3/3x22-glass/normal_glass-promo25.jpg)

You mean this Juggy?
Title: Re: Why was Desmond's Flash wrong, or did he just tell Charlie a lie?
Post by: Nancy Drew on May 18, 2007, 06:01:12 PM
Maybe in his sleep he rolls over and "falls out of bed", LOL
Title: Re: Why was Desmond's Flash wrong, or did he just tell Charlie a lie?
Post by: jugdish on May 18, 2007, 11:14:37 PM
Why would you consider a discussion of the preview a spoiler? If the network airs them then they should be fare game. If they didn't want us to see these images they should not show them.

Watched the show again, and it is right there. I WAS WRONG! Sorry, I thought you saw a longer preview on you tube or something. You did nothing wrong and I was a jerk! Sorry
Title: Re: Why was Desmond's Flash wrong, or did he just tell Charlie a lie?
Post by: Sunflower on May 18, 2007, 11:38:38 PM
AWWWW!!!  Come here Juggy  :-*
Title: Re: Why was Desmond's Flash wrong, or did he just tell Charlie a lie?
Post by: jugdish on May 18, 2007, 11:44:39 PM
AWWWW!!!  Come here Juggy  :-*

Thanks, I needed that.
Title: Re: Why was Desmond's Flash wrong, or did he just tell Charlie a lie?
Post by: sledgeweb on May 19, 2007, 12:03:11 AM
Another question: Has Desmond ever had a flash of events where he wasn't present? He's still up in the boat, so won't he have to dive down after Charlie for the flash to make sense?
great point!  haven't all desmond's flashes had him present?  if he's passed out in the boat, how can he see charlie flip the switch?
It seemed as if he wouldn't have otherwise been there for Charlie's attempt to rescue Claire.

Unless he was present at both... was there with Charlie, but managed to escape and survive, and there with Claire later on.
Title: Re: Why was Desmond's Flash wrong, or did he just tell Charlie a lie?
Post by: ChellyKins on May 19, 2007, 10:39:43 AM
Another question: Has Desmond ever had a flash of events where he wasn't present? He's still up in the boat, so won't he have to dive down after Charlie for the flash to make sense?
great point!  haven't all desmond's flashes had him present?  if he's passed out in the boat, how can he see charlie flip the switch?
It seemed as if he wouldn't have otherwise been there for Charlie's attempt to rescue Claire.

Unless he was present at both... was there with Charlie, but managed to escape and survive, and there with Claire later on.

I am going to rewatch to make sure I actually seen this...but in the preview for this next episode...doesn't it show Des standing in the underwater hatch?? Maybe he woke up, thought he could help, swam down...then found Charlie tied up and is going to help him escape to save the losties?? Just an opinion...
Title: Re: Why was Desmond's Flash wrong, or did he just tell Charlie a lie?
Post by: TXFlyboy on May 19, 2007, 12:25:53 PM
Another question: Has Desmond ever had a flash of events where he wasn't present? He's still up in the boat, so won't he have to dive down after Charlie for the flash to make sense?
great point!  haven't all desmond's flashes had him present?  if he's passed out in the boat, how can he see charlie flip the switch?
It seemed as if he wouldn't have otherwise been there for Charlie's attempt to rescue Claire.

Unless he was present at both... was there with Charlie, but managed to escape and survive, and there with Claire later on.

I am going to rewatch to make sure I actually seen this...but in the preview for this next episode...doesn't it show Des standing in the underwater hatch?? Maybe he woke up, thought he could help, swam down...then found Charlie tied up and is going to help him escape to save the losties?? Just an opinion...

Spoiler
Yes
Title: Re: Why was Desmond's Flash wrong, or did he just tell Charlie a lie?
Post by: nikarro on May 19, 2007, 07:29:41 PM
WINK WINK, just in case no one saw it, if you watch the preview at the end of the episode in REALLY REALLY REALLY SLOW MOTION YOU SEE SOMETHING REALLY REALLY SAD
Title: Re: Why was Desmond's Flash wrong, or did he just tell Charlie a lie?
Post by: ChellyKins on May 19, 2007, 08:05:06 PM
Care to spoiler me in on this one?
Title: Re: Why was Desmond's Flash wrong, or did he just tell Charlie a lie?
Post by: nikarro on May 19, 2007, 08:30:51 PM
I dont know how to spoiler!  HAHA Or else I would!  :P
Title: Re: Why was Desmond's Flash wrong, or did he just tell Charlie a lie?
Post by: ChellyKins on May 19, 2007, 08:31:34 PM
I dont know how to spoiler!  HAHA Or else I would!  :P

See my name over to the left...click it and PM me!  ;) Best spoiler tag around.
Title: Re: Why was Desmond's Flash wrong, or did he just tell Charlie a lie?
Post by: Madam P on May 21, 2007, 11:41:25 PM
Well, I watched the preview in really really really slow motion, and I saw
Spoiler
Desmond swimming down toward the Looking Glass, Charlie being smacked around by the girls while tied in a chair, Desmond inside the Looking Glass shooting something at what appeared to be Mikhail (although that could've been a jump cut), and then a rush of water coming in over the top of somebody -- I couldn't tell who.
  Because I didn't think it showed us the outcome, I haven't gotten sad.  Yet.   :)

Oh, and I'm highly suspicious of the helicopter that Des "saw" actually being a rescue helicopter.  I'm thinking it's going to pick up Claire and Aaron for sure, and probably Sun and maybe Kate, but it's not going to rescue them... I don't think I trust Naomi and her offshore ship / helicopter combo...
Title: Re: Why was Desmond's Flash wrong, or did he just tell Charlie a lie?
Post by: puff6962 on May 22, 2007, 12:27:40 AM
Desmond doesn't lie....that may be his problem.  We weren't given the ability to see his flash in this episode, but I would conclude that his flash was incomplete or that things have been in accordance with his vision, just a little slower in developing.
Title: Re: Why was Desmond's Flash wrong, or did he just tell Charlie a lie?
Post by: pauinha6 on May 22, 2007, 12:31:46 AM
Well, I watched the preview in really really really slow motion, and I saw
Spoiler
Desmond swimming down toward the Looking Glass, Charlie being smacked around by the girls while tied in a chair, Desmond inside the Looking Glass shooting something at what appeared to be Mikhail (although that could've been a jump cut), and then a rush of water coming in over the top of somebody -- I couldn't tell who.
 

Spoiler
yes, it's Mikail, he swims in after trying to shoot Des from the beach
Title: Re: Why was Desmond's Flash wrong, or did he just tell Charlie a lie?
Post by: jec9000 on May 22, 2007, 11:16:23 AM
I may sound nuts, but did anyone else notice the parallel between the scene in "Flashes Before Your Eyes" where Desmond suddenly realizes in the bar that he CAN change the future and then gets hit by the bat---and his decision in "Greatest Hits" to take Charlie's place (because he now knows he can change the future) and then WHAMBO he gets hit with a large wooden implement again? I think he knows he can change the future so he decides to take the chance and sacrifice himself instead. But the world has a way of course correcting.....

I know from the preview that Des ends up in the Looking Glass station, but wouldn't it be cool if the next time we see Des he is lying on the floor of the bar again?
Title: Re: Why was Desmond's Flash wrong, or did he just tell Charlie a lie?
Post by: nikarro on May 22, 2007, 11:42:47 AM
I think that there is something else to all of this that he is not telling charlie, like he doesnt know for sure if it will work...Poor guy though every time he stands up to try to take matters into his own hands WHACK he gets beaten in the head
Title: Re: Why was Desmond's Flash wrong, or did he just tell Charlie a lie?
Post by: puff6962 on May 22, 2007, 01:43:33 PM
I may sound nuts, but did anyone else notice the parallel between the scene in "Flashes Before Your Eyes" where Desmond suddenly realizes in the bar that he CAN change the future and then gets hit by the bat---and his decision in "Greatest Hits" to take Charlie's place (because he now knows he can change the future) and then WHAMBO he gets hit with a large wooden implement again? I think he knows he can change the future so he decides to take the chance and sacrifice himself instead. But the world has a way of course correcting.....

I know from the preview that Des ends up in the Looking Glass station, but wouldn't it be cool if the next time we see Des he is lying on the floor of the bar again?

Exactly....he got whomped in the head.  I hope he gets another flashback out of it.....but, if he doesn't, the similarity was still pertinent.  I think the point was to hammer into Desmond that you can try, but ultimately you can't change fate.  Einstein's determinism in play.
Title: Re: Why was Desmond's Flash wrong, or did he just tell Charlie a lie?
Post by: Madam P on May 23, 2007, 02:26:41 AM
Yes, puff, I agree -- I don't think Desmond lied, but I think it was one of his flashes that was incomplete and he just extrapolated what he was hoping would be the case.  He didn't lie, and the flash wasn't wrong, just incomplete and/or out of context.
Title: Re: Why was Desmond's Flash wrong, or did he just tell Charlie a lie?
Post by: puff6962 on May 23, 2007, 07:11:39 PM
Or complete in it's outcome, only nonspecific in it's route and implications. 

Will Desmond's visions disappear when/if Charlie takes the dirt nap?