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Title: Who did Mikhail (Patchy) Expect to find in that vicinity?
Post by: puff6962 on April 26, 2007, 01:30:40 AM
Unarmed, alone, and without caution....he stumbles onto the group.  From this, I conclude that Mikail did not see or hear the helicopter go down.  (He would have then been more cautious).

He didn't anticipate it being the Losties by their location.

So, he must have expected to run into somebody else.

If Mikail is cohesive with the group of Other's who disappeared for a week, then he would know their whereabouts and would not expect them as the source of the flare. 

So, we are to deduce that either Mikail has no knowledge of the recent actions of the "Others" and was left behind, died and was reborn (whereupon he has no knowledge of the recent actions of the "Others), or there is another group of Others entirely...and it was members of this group that he expected to run upon.
Title: Re: Who did Mikhail (Patchy) Expect to find in that vicinity?
Post by: MaxsDad on April 26, 2007, 01:33:23 AM
That doesnt......nevermind. :-\
Title: Re: Who did Mikhail (Patchy) Expect to find in that vicinity?
Post by: dcnole on April 26, 2007, 01:38:34 AM
Unarmed, alone, and without caution....he stumbles onto the group.  From this, I conclude that Mikail did not see or hear the helicopter go down.  (He would have then been more cautious).

He didn't anticipate it being the Losties by their location.

So, he must have expected to run into somebody else.

If Mikail is cohesive with the group of Other's who disappeared for a week, then he would know their whereabouts and would not expect them as the source of the flare. 

So, we are to deduce that either Mikail has no knowledge of the recent actions of the "Others" and was left behind, died and was reborn (whereupon he has no knowledge of the recent actions of the "Others), or there is another group of Others entirely...and it was members of this group that he expected to run upon.
Great point. Forgot all about that.  Your ideas are interesting.  But what about the possibility that maybe he saw the chopper crash the night before, assumed the flare was from them, and is hoping it is some sort of re-enforcements/rescue team? Remember, they hadn't been able to communicate with the outside world since The Swan Station imploded.  So, they may be hoping for someone from whoever they work for coming to find them.
Title: Re: Who did Mikhail (Patchy) Expect to find in that vicinity?
Post by: this is some crazy stuff on April 26, 2007, 01:39:42 AM
I think he is in a different realm of other.  I dont know if you noticed in the preview before the show tonight but there is a scene where it shows alot of people in tents in the middle of the field.  I dont think the others would leave there houses to go to some tents.   
Title: Re: Who did Mikhail (Patchy) Expect to find in that vicinity?
Post by: Maxor127 on April 26, 2007, 02:23:52 AM
If they're going somewhere deep into the island where they have no shelter, they could bring tents to set up camp.
Title: Re: Who did Mikhail (Patchy) Expect to find in that vicinity?
Post by: dcnole on April 26, 2007, 02:25:43 AM
If they're going somewhere deep into the island where they have no shelter, they could bring tents to set up camp.
I'd go as far as to say that is more likely than not what did happen.  Where else would the go? The only other option is to the 2nd island, and we 1) don't know how they go between the two islands without the sub, and 2) we don't know that there are any real living quarters over there.   
Title: Re: Who did Mikhail (Patchy) Expect to find in that vicinity?
Post by: a_dot_out on April 26, 2007, 03:53:48 AM
Unarmed, alone, and without caution....he stumbles onto the group.  From this, I conclude that Mikail did not see or hear the helicopter go down.  (He would have then been more cautious).

He didn't anticipate it being the Losties by their location.

So, he must have expected to run into somebody else.

If Mikail is cohesive with the group of Other's who disappeared for a week, then he would know their whereabouts and would not expect them as the source of the flare. 

So, we are to deduce that either Mikail has no knowledge of the recent actions of the "Others" and was left behind, died and was reborn (whereupon he has no knowledge of the recent actions of the "Others), or there is another group of Others entirely...and it was members of this group that he expected to run upon.

I am fairly certain that Mikhail stumbled upon the Losties with purpose. In fact, I believe he was ordered to do so and make it appear as if it was a completely accidental happenstance. Possibly a Goodwin/Ethan sort of mission. Also possibly a reconnaissance mission if the parachutist is in fact an Other. I like the theory presented in the Investigations section, that she was speaking multiple languages with a safe phrase to determine whom was capable of understanding what languages finally settling on the final language only Mikhail could understand. 
Title: Re: Who did Mikhail (Patchy) Expect to find in that vicinity?
Post by: LouE68 on April 26, 2007, 07:45:24 AM
Unarmed, alone, and without caution....he stumbles onto the group.  From this, I conclude that Mikail did not see or hear the helicopter go down.  (He would have then been more cautious).

He didn't anticipate it being the Losties by their location.

So, he must have expected to run into somebody else.

If Mikail is cohesive with the group of Other's who disappeared for a week, then he would know their whereabouts and would not expect them as the source of the flare. 

So, we are to deduce that either Mikail has no knowledge of the recent actions of the "Others" and was left behind, died and was reborn (whereupon he has no knowledge of the recent actions of the "Others), or there is another group of Others entirely...and it was members of this group that he expected to run upon.
Well yeah...he was a bit dead/incapacitaed from the fence...so your saying?????
Title: Re: Who did Mikhail (Patchy) Expect to find in that vicinity?
Post by: HanginWithMrEko on April 26, 2007, 09:47:17 AM
Unarmed, alone, and without caution....he stumbles onto the group.  From this, I conclude that Mikail did not see or hear the helicopter go down.  (He would have then been more cautious).

He didn't anticipate it being the Losties by their location.

So, he must have expected to run into somebody else.

If Mikail is cohesive with the group of Other's who disappeared for a week, then he would know their whereabouts and would not expect them as the source of the flare. 

So, we are to deduce that either Mikail has no knowledge of the recent actions of the "Others" and was left behind, died and was reborn (whereupon he has no knowledge of the recent actions of the "Others), or there is another group of Others entirely...and it was members of this group that he expected to run upon.

"The puppy was getting bigger...." - Billy Madison

Anyway, I think that he was sent along the lines of Ethan and Goodwin, so I agree with a_dot_out. He seemed to be going full steam towards the flare.

Also, I dont think he ever died. I think he either acted, or has a similar implant to Claire which allowed for them to be controled to a point. I am not big on raising from the dead theories...
Title: Re: Who did Mikhail (Patchy) Expect to find in that vicinity?
Post by: Lost-N-Detroit on April 26, 2007, 10:08:28 AM
Mikail ran full speed after seeing the flare toward what he thought would be DHARMA reinforcements. After the explosion at the FLAME station by Locke pressing 77 it sent a relay back to "the main land" where DHARMA headquarters is. This is out parachutist Naomi.
Thus Mikail may have had a implant to make him look like he died. But I am assuming he did actually die and brought back to life by the island.
Thus is Ms. Klue alive?
Why would Mikail say " Thank you" when pushed into the microwave fence by Locke? Did this release Mikail from something (i.e. a tomented past)
Mikail as a field doc - I would like to know what wars he has seen.
Funny also to see Mikial take the phone. He already knows that supposedly the FLAME station was not working so how would the phone work? Was the FLAME actually still operational? Who could the other person with Naomi be? I hope Penny but that's a stretch.
Did DHARMA set up another fake plane crash to cover up the original flight 185?
This I know is my theory I think about the DHARMA military coming.
Title: Re: Who did Mikhail (Patchy) Expect to find in that vicinity?
Post by: jugdish on April 26, 2007, 10:11:53 AM
He did not die, people who die on the island stay dead.
Puffy
Your premise that he was looking for someone is flawed. He could of just been trying to get somewhere. Going back to the Othersville, going to the meeting spot of the others who knows.
Title: Re: Who did Mikhail (Patchy) Expect to find in that vicinity?
Post by: MaxsDad on April 26, 2007, 10:14:04 AM
He did not die, people who die on the island stay dead.
Puffy
Your premise that he was looking for someone is flawed. He could of just been trying to get somewhere. Going back to the Othersville, going to the meeting spot of the others who knows.
Juggy take a deep breath and count to ten........ :(
Title: Re: Who did Mikhail (Patchy) Expect to find in that vicinity?
Post by: Creflo on April 26, 2007, 10:21:25 AM
Either this was a plant, and he was sent to steal the phone AWAY from the Losties, or he assumed the helicopter was sent for the Others.

Others 101 includes a class on sneaking through the woods at all times.  Notice he was running to the scene (and running to escape) but when he made off with the phone, he walked slowly away...even though he heard Jin running after him.

My opinion is that he thought the mission was for the Others and was genuinly suprised that the campers were already there.  It's almost as if the knew she'd be there in advance!

btw, I believe that the phrase Naomi used which Mickey translated was something about "there are more with me (from the chopper)" but he told the campers that she said "thank you for saving me".
Title: Re: Who did Mikhail (Patchy) Expect to find in that vicinity?
Post by: MaxsDad on April 26, 2007, 10:25:20 AM
Either this was a plant, and he was sent to steal the phone AWAY from the Losties, or he assumed the helicopter was sent for the Others.

Others 101 includes a class on sneaking through the woods at all times.  Notice he was running to the scene (and running to escape) but when he made off with the phone, he walked slowly away...even though he heard Jin running after him.

My opinion is that he thought the mission was for the Others and was genuinly suprised that the campers were already there.  It's almost as if the knew she'd be there in advance!

btw, I believe that the phrase Naomi used which Mickey translated was something about "there are more with me (from the chopper)" but he told the campers that she said "thank you for saving me".
Or he could have seen the flare and came running to investigate.
Title: Re: Who did Mikhail (Patchy) Expect to find in that vicinity?
Post by: thlaylirah on April 26, 2007, 10:27:05 AM
Either this was a plant, and he was sent to steal the phone AWAY from the Losties, or he assumed the helicopter was sent for the Others.

Others 101 includes a class on sneaking through the woods at all times.  Notice he was running to the scene (and running to escape) but when he made off with the phone, he walked slowly away...even though he heard Jin running after him.

My opinion is that he thought the mission was for the Others and was genuinly suprised that the campers were already there.  It's almost as if the knew she'd be there in advance!

btw, I believe that the phrase Naomi used which Mickey translated was something about "there are more with me (from the chopper)" but he told the campers that she said "thank you for saving me".
Or he could have seen the flare and came running to investigate.
I agree. 
Title: Re: Who did Mikhail (Patchy) Expect to find in that vicinity?
Post by: DaddyBeast on April 26, 2007, 11:06:58 AM
Hello - Coleen died and they burned her and set her out to sea.  9 women died during pregnancy.  The zombie season is season 7 or 8.
Title: Re: Who did Mikhail (Patchy) Expect to find in that vicinity?
Post by: LostGirlDeb on April 26, 2007, 11:12:25 AM
My question would be ...what was he even doing in that particular area?
Did he know that someone dropped and was trying to find them?
Was he sent? and if so by whom?
And he wanted to be let go to go where?   
Title: Re: Who did Mikhail (Patchy) Expect to find in that vicinity?
Post by: puff6962 on April 26, 2007, 11:16:27 AM
WHY DIDN'T MIKAIL HAVE A GUN?  HE SHOT SAYID.  HE ALMOST SHOT BEN/JULIET.  YET HERE HE IS RUNNING THROUGH THE JUNGLE WITH ABANDON.  WHO DID HE EXPECT TO FIND

WHY DIDN'T MIKAIL HAVE A GUN?  He shot Sayid.  He almost shot Ben / Juliet.  He survived the purge.  Yet, here he is running through the jungle unarmed and with abandon. 

If it were a Dharma rescue....carry a gun.
If it were the losties....carry a gun.
If it were a downed helicopter....carry a gun.
If it were another castaway....carry a gun.
If it, you get the point.

To restate, Ben would know where the "Others" went on their week long vacation, would not expect the losties here, and didn't seem to think it was any of the circumstances above that would require a gun.  So, who did he expect to find?

Other Other's.  Mikail is Switzerland and there is more than one group of the little bastards.



Title: Re: Who did Mikhail (Patchy) Expect to find in that vicinity?
Post by: nothingbutsky on April 26, 2007, 11:19:10 AM
He was following the flare...he was expecting to find something or someone that's for sure.

Maybe once an Other fakes their death they get taken off the island? Weak I know...
Title: Re: Who did Mikhail (Patchy) Expect to find in that vicinity?
Post by: Ladybug on April 26, 2007, 11:42:31 AM
My question would be ...what was he even doing in that particular area?
Did he know that someone dropped and was trying to find them?
Was he sent? and if so by whom?
And he wanted to be let go to go where?   
i think he laid on the ground where he "died" and got healed.  he didn't make it to the compound in time to leave with the others.  (he was probably behind sayid, locke and kate, he didn't want them to find out he was alive)  i think he's on his way to wherever the others went when they left the compound.
Title: Re: Who did Mikhail (Patchy) Expect to find in that vicinity?
Post by: Ladybug on April 26, 2007, 11:43:41 AM
WHY DIDN'T MIKAIL HAVE A GUN?  HE SHOT SAYID.  HE ALMOST SHOT BEN/JULIET.  YET HERE HE IS RUNNING THROUGH THE JUNGLE WITH ABANDON.  WHO DID HE EXPECT TO FIND

WHY DIDN'T MIKAIL HAVE A GUN?  He shot Sayid.  He almost shot Ben / Juliet.  He survived the purge.  Yet, here he is running through the jungle unarmed and with abandon. 

If it were a Dharma rescue....carry a gun.
If it were the losties....carry a gun.
If it were a downed helicopter....carry a gun.
If it were another castaway....carry a gun.
If it, you get the point.

To restate, Ben would know where the "Others" went on their week long vacation, would not expect the losties here, and didn't seem to think it was any of the circumstances above that would require a gun.  So, who did he expect to find?

Other Other's.  Mikail is Switzerland and there is more than one group of the little bastards.




patchy didn't have a gun when he went through the fence, so he doesn't have a gun now.  he's been making his way to where the others are. 
Title: Re: Who did Mikhail (Patchy) Expect to find in that vicinity?
Post by: WG?JIFFY on April 26, 2007, 11:45:50 AM
He sure was running fast though.  Was he running from something(smokie) or someone(Danielle, others, polar bear)?
Title: Re: Who did Mikhail (Patchy) Expect to find in that vicinity?
Post by: MaxsDad on April 26, 2007, 11:48:08 AM
WHY DIDN'T MIKAIL HAVE A GUN?  HE SHOT SAYID.  HE ALMOST SHOT BEN/JULIET.  YET HERE HE IS RUNNING THROUGH THE JUNGLE WITH ABANDON.  WHO DID HE EXPECT TO FIND

WHY DIDN'T MIKAIL HAVE A GUN?  He shot Sayid.  He almost shot Ben / Juliet.  He survived the purge.  Yet, here he is running through the jungle unarmed and with abandon. 

If it were a Dharma rescue....carry a gun.
If it were the losties....carry a gun.
If it were a downed helicopter....carry a gun.
If it were another castaway....carry a gun.
If it, you get the point.

To restate, Ben would know where the "Others" went on their week long vacation, would not expect the losties here, and didn't seem to think it was any of the circumstances above that would require a gun.  So, who did he expect to find?

Other Other's.  Mikail is Switzerland and there is more than one group of the little bastards.




And where would Patchy get a gun? His station was destroyed, and the Others are gone. Not to mention WHY? Why would he need one? :-\
Title: Re: Who did Mikhail (Patchy) Expect to find in that vicinity?
Post by: jugdish on April 26, 2007, 11:52:53 AM
Puffy, Puffy, Puffy.......

He was a prisoner of Lockes, Sayid and Kate. He was pushed into a sonic fence that made him unconscious. He is lost and alone. Stop over analizing this.
Title: Re: Who did Mikhail (Patchy) Expect to find in that vicinity?
Post by: a_dot_out on April 26, 2007, 11:59:08 AM
Either this was a plant, and he was sent to steal the phone AWAY from the Losties, or he assumed the helicopter was sent for the Others.

Others 101 includes a class on sneaking through the woods at all times.  Notice he was running to the scene (and running to escape) but when he made off with the phone, he walked slowly away...even though he heard Jin running after him.

My opinion is that he thought the mission was for the Others and was genuinly suprised that the campers were already there.  It's almost as if the knew she'd be there in advance!

btw, I believe that the phrase Naomi used which Mickey translated was something about "there are more with me (from the chopper)" but he told the campers that she said "thank you for saving me".
Or he could have seen the flare and came running to investigate.

I think you are both sort of right. I think he was already on a mission (re: my previous Goodwin/Ethan comparison) to locate potential survivors. The flare just made his job a little easier.

And where would Patchy get a gun? His station was destroyed, and the Others are gone. Not to mention WHY? Why would he need one? :-\

I am confident that Mikhail could obtain a gun if it was needed. All of the weapons on the Island were not stored in his station. If Juliet is leaving tape recorded messages for Ben, I am sure someone could deliver Mikhail a gun if he needed or even wanted one. In fact, there are probably alternative locations where he could retrieve a gun on his own if necessary.

He did not have a gun (at least one that he wanted to show off to the Losties) because his purpose was not to kill.
Title: Re: Who did Mikhail (Patchy) Expect to find in that vicinity?
Post by: miketrapasso on April 26, 2007, 01:12:44 PM
I pictured Mikhail getting up after the sonic fence thingy happened, going to the Barracks, finding it deserted, then running off to where the Others are, whether or not he knew where that was.  On his way, he either saw the flare and ran towards it, or just ran into Desmond and Co. by accident.  As for his interaction with Naomi, that did seem a little strange...
Title: Re: Who did Mikhail (Patchy) Expect to find in that vicinity?
Post by: WG?JIFFY on April 26, 2007, 01:16:28 PM
Sayid was chained to the swing set for 3 days, so did it take Patchy 3 days to "heal" and get back to the barracks? 
Title: Re: Who did Mikhail (Patchy) Expect to find in that vicinity?
Post by: eelpie62 on April 26, 2007, 01:59:44 PM
A bright, flashing beacon fell from the sky. He could have seen it from quite a distance.
Des & Co. were eight hours from the beach camp. Patchy could have been equally far and just heading towards the beacon when Hugo shot the flare, bringing him in more quickly.
Title: Re: Who did Mikhail (Patchy) Expect to find in that vicinity?
Post by: jillybean4u on April 26, 2007, 02:06:58 PM
Didn't they check to see if Patchy was dead?  I thought they did.  Why would he be able to heal from dying and Boone, Shannon, Ana Lucia, etc. not be able to?
Title: Re: Who did Mikhail (Patchy) Expect to find in that vicinity?
Post by: puff6962 on April 26, 2007, 02:07:32 PM
You guys have to understand that I am not dogmatic in these posts.  I like to think of them as a thought exercise and see where they go. 

I'm sympathetic to the explanations that Mikail maybe didn't think he needed a gun, even though this seems out of character for him, but I wonder if Mikail's real mission was simply to do what he did....try and take any form of communications.

That brings up secondary points....Why would Mikail want such communication?  It is probably true that the others have lost their comm station.  So, this could be one reason....to restore a method of communicating with the outside world.   Another reason would be that Mikail must insure that nobody else has such communication.  This would allow the Losties to contact the outside world (if there is one) and pretty soon you would have condo's on the banks of Otherville.  Sign me up now!

Finally, Mikail may want the communication to call for more outsiders.  Why?  I don't know.  Just throwing that out there.
Title: Re: Who did Mikhail (Patchy) Expect to find in that vicinity?
Post by: dcnole on April 26, 2007, 02:15:54 PM
I think it is likely that Patchy saw the crash as well, and was also searching for the parachuter in the area. When he saw the flair, he came running.

Of course, that doesn't explain 1) how he's up and running about, 2) what he expected to find, or 3) who she is. But that's for a different thread! :)
Title: Re: Who did Mikhail (Patchy) Expect to find in that vicinity?
Post by: Sunflower on April 26, 2007, 02:28:52 PM
I said it somewhere else...Patchy went there for the same reasons that Ben sent Goodwin and Ethan after the crash.  Patchy wasn't expecting company.
Title: Re: Who did Mikhail (Patchy) Expect to find in that vicinity?
Post by: Ladybug on April 26, 2007, 04:53:08 PM
i think he wanted the phone for two reasons:

1.  so the losties didn't have it.
2.  he's a communications guy, and the phone was a new gadget.  he wanted it.  that simple.  just like if all our computers were torn up and someone showed up with a new fangled computer.  we'd covet it and try to get it.  it's human nature to want what you don't have.
Title: Re: Who did Mikhail (Patchy) Expect to find in that vicinity?
Post by: Lost-N-Detroit on April 26, 2007, 05:25:19 PM
Ladybug, that means Mikial is breaking one of the 10 commandments. "covet"
And here I thought that he rose from the dead on the 6 day... whoa totally JESUS style.
Title: Re: Who did Mikhail (Patchy) Expect to find in that vicinity?
Post by: miketrapasso on April 26, 2007, 05:46:03 PM
But Christ rose on the third day... ;)
Title: Re: Who did Mikhail (Patchy) Expect to find in that vicinity?
Post by: DirtyMaggieMae on April 26, 2007, 09:04:00 PM
I said it somewhere else...Patchy went there for the same reasons that Ben sent Goodwin and Ethan after the crash.  Patchy wasn't expecting company.

I'm not so sure... Ethan and Goodwin were sent by Ben, and given the state of Mikhail, it doesn't seem like he's had any human interaction.  I judge that by the still crusted blood on him, his eagerness to find the flare...  I don't think he had contact or orders to find these people.  I think he was looking for the others and took the flare as a sign from them, he expected to see his old other buddies.
Title: Re: Who did Mikhail (Patchy) Expect to find in that vicinity?
Post by: JBRam on April 26, 2007, 09:15:47 PM
My guess is that Mikhail didn't see the flare (he was in the jungle after all... kinda hard to see with all them trees... and accidentally stumbled on them. He seemed as surprised to see them as they were to see him.

If he was going on purpose, then he was going to find Naomi. He was surprised that there were already 4 people there. He thought Naomi fired the flare and was coming to get her. He ran because he knew that he couldn't take on four people.
Title: Re: Who did Mikhail (Patchy) Expect to find in that vicinity?
Post by: Sunflower on April 26, 2007, 11:20:51 PM
I said it somewhere else...Patchy went there for the same reasons that Ben sent Goodwin and Ethan after the crash.  Patchy wasn't expecting company.

I'm not so sure... Ethan and Goodwin were sent by Ben, and given the state of Mikhail, it doesn't seem like he's had any human interaction.  I judge that by the still crusted blood on him, his eagerness to find the flare...  I don't think he had contact or orders to find these people.  I think he was looking for the others and took the flare as a sign from them, he expected to see his old other buddies.
Why would the Others shoot a flare for everyone to see?  That doesn't make sense to me, they are much more discreet.  IMHO, he is clearly running after another crash site to find out, and take, whatever he needs.  He doesn't neccisarily need Ben's direct orders on it.  It's like Others 101 ;)

I agree JB that he was suprise to see the lot and ran.  I don't think Naomi is an Other tho.
Title: Re: Who did Mikhail (Patchy) Expect to find in that vicinity?
Post by: LouE68 on April 27, 2007, 09:37:16 PM
You guys have to understand that I am not dogmatic in these posts.  I like to think of them as a thought exercise and see where they go. 

I'm sympathetic to the explanations that Mikail maybe didn't think he needed a gun, even though this seems out of character for him, but I wonder if Mikail's real mission was simply to do what he did....try and take any form of communications.

That brings up secondary points....Why would Mikail want such communication?  It is probably true that the others have lost their comm station.  So, this could be one reason....to restore a method of communicating with the outside world.   Another reason would be that Mikail must insure that nobody else has such communication.  This would allow the Losties to contact the outside world (if there is one) and pretty soon you would have condo's on the banks of Otherville.  Sign me up now!

Finally, Mikail may want the communication to call for more outsiders.  Why?  I don't know.  Just throwing that out there.
He wanted to order a pizza...
Title: Re: Who did Mikhail (Patchy) Expect to find in that vicinity?
Post by: DirtyMaggieMae on April 28, 2007, 11:50:10 AM
He may have been out looking for Naomi.  He has no idea of Desmond's flashes and wouldn't expect anyone from the beach to be able to see or hear a helicopter crash from the other side of the island.  He defiantly was not expecting our losties, but he may have been expecting Naomi.
Title: Re: Who did Mikhail (Patchy) Expect to find in that vicinity?
Post by: matahari on April 28, 2007, 04:58:34 PM
I think he was out of Vodka and mistook the heli for a pallette drop! :D
Title: Re: Who did Mikhail (Patchy) Expect to find in that vicinity?
Post by: puff6962 on April 30, 2007, 02:42:29 PM
That was good.  How does he go to the bathroom in that suit?  Moreover, why does he still wear a Dharma suit? 

Yes, he may have stumbled upon the group unarmed, but where was Mikail going?  He didn't spend too much time in the abandoned camp....otherwise he would have changed clothes, got a new eyepatch, taken a shower.....he doesn't take supplies or a bag....he is unarmed....and he's in the middle of nowhere when the flare is shot.

What was Mikail doing? 

Two groups of Others. 
Title: Re: Who did Mikhail (Patchy) Expect to find in that vicinity?
Post by: matahari on April 30, 2007, 02:57:43 PM
Two factions of others confirmed.
Title: Re: Who did Mikhail (Patchy) Expect to find in that vicinity?
Post by: JBRam on April 30, 2007, 06:22:31 PM
That was good.  How does he go to the bathroom in that suit?  Moreover, why does he still wear a Dharma suit? 

Yes, he may have stumbled upon the group unarmed, but where was Mikail going?  He didn't spend too much time in the abandoned camp....otherwise he would have changed clothes, got a new eyepatch, taken a shower.....he doesn't take supplies or a bag....he is unarmed....and he's in the middle of nowhere when the flare is shot.

What was Mikail doing? 

Two groups of Others. 
Well, I think he takes it off to go to the bathroom ;) Now to the more important questions asked:

I'm guessing that Mikhail was previously Dharma. During the purge, they found that Mikhail may be "amenable to coersion" like Locke. However, Mikhail still has a side to him that makes him insubordinate to Ben.

He MAY have met up with the Others... then again maybe not. I'm not sure that they would really concentrate on getting Mikhail cleaned up. I personally don't think he did. I've seen some theories that sorta make sense... was the flare supposed to be a signal for Mikhail to come meet them? The only real problem with that theory is that if they fired a flare, probably some of the Losties would see, and I don't think the Others want the Losties to know where they are right now.

What was Mikhail doing? Well, we probably won't ever really find out.
Title: Re: Who did Mikhail (Patchy) Expect to find in that vicinity?
Post by: Creflo on May 02, 2007, 11:42:46 AM
My conclusions:

- Mik probably hasn't had contact with The Others since being knocked out by the fence, so he didn't have direct orders from Ben regarding Naomi/chopper/sat-phone...only standing orders as part of Others 101.

- Mik probably just seized the opportunity when he noticed the phone.

- Mik is part of the military contigent of The Others, and in particular he's one that doesn't get along with others.  Those that do get along (submarine crew, the guys Sawyer recognized as having "some fight in 'em", etc) are integrated with the more-or-less scientific Others.  The military Others train the scientists to fight, survive, track, sneak.  The scientists train the military guys in whatever it is that they're good at.  This goes back to my theory that the purge may have been when DHARMA conflicted with whatever military forces were stationed on The Island.  Surely the military got there first.
Title: Re: Who did Mikhail (Patchy) Expect to find in that vicinity?
Post by: cbw420 on May 02, 2007, 09:10:06 PM
why is Mikhail running towards the flare so hard to grasp hold of

it baffles me, everything we need to know is put right in front of our eyes

if people would stop over thinking and reading too far into things and over disecting things, this show would make much more sense to you lol