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Title: How Does The Parachutist Know Desmond?
Post by: puff6962 on April 19, 2007, 12:01:48 AM
No answers, only questions.  Lost, lost, lost.   
Title: Re: How Does The Parachutist Know Desmond?
Post by: LouE68 on April 19, 2007, 12:04:34 AM
she's part of a profesional finder team...they go out and guess what...they find people....
Title: Re: How Does The Parachutist Know Desmond?
Post by: Jungle Otter on April 19, 2007, 12:06:24 AM
Part of the team that is working with Penny to find Desmond. The Portugese gentlemen in the Arctic station - Portuguese chopper pilot (?). "Ardil-22" is a Portuguese copy of Catch-22 (which I recommend reading)  :)
Title: Re: How Does The Parachutist Know Desmond?
Post by: kkehoe5 on April 19, 2007, 12:07:16 AM
She watches Lost!
Title: Re: How Does The Parachutist Know Desmond?
Post by: spaghettios on April 19, 2007, 12:07:47 AM
methinks she's an other, to be honest.
Title: Re: How Does The Parachutist Know Desmond?
Post by: MichiganFan on April 19, 2007, 12:08:40 AM
Not a lot of new information. The flashback took place in 1995, based on the wine label. We didn't get much else. Maybe they'll get the sat phone to work... or not.
Title: Re: How Does The Parachutist Know Desmond?
Post by: LouE68 on April 19, 2007, 12:09:47 AM
they have a helicopter?
Not a lot of new information. The flashback took place in 1995, based on the wine label. We didn't get much else. Maybe they'll get the sat phone to work... or not.
Are you kidding!!! We saw Kate's booty, that was all worth it!!!
Title: Re: How Does The Parachutist Know Desmond?
Post by: Fallybear on April 19, 2007, 12:16:10 AM
They delivered short again.
Title: Re: How Does The Parachutist Know Desmond?
Post by: ILoveLost on April 19, 2007, 12:21:11 AM
methinks she's an other, to be honest.

You know the first thing I thought when I saw this lady was that maybe Penny fell in the water with the helicopter...but then I thought that maybe she really is an other. Desmond didn't exactly act like he knew the girl, yet she knew him.
Title: Re: How Does The Parachutist Know Desmond?
Post by: cindypooh on April 19, 2007, 12:22:37 AM
Please someone tell me did the girl die???
Title: Re: How Does The Parachutist Know Desmond?
Post by: jugdish on April 19, 2007, 12:23:34 AM
if she was looking for him, I am sure she knows what he looked like, she had his picture
Title: Re: How Does The Parachutist Know Desmond?
Post by: puff6962 on April 19, 2007, 12:24:47 AM
Can we request one thing from the writer's of Lost....It's ok if you don't give answers, just no more questions!

Anyway, that lady was wearing some serious gear to have been on a helicopter.  The suit she was using is pressurized with a positive pressure air mask....the kind of stuff you do if you're in special ops and jump out of an "airliner" at 35000 feet.

The helicopter may have been a second event unrelated to the parachutist.
Title: Re: How Does The Parachutist Know Desmond?
Post by: LouE68 on April 19, 2007, 12:29:39 AM
coulda woulda shoulda

Penny don't play when it comes to equipment...she got crazy mad cash...nothing but the best for finding her man....
Title: Re: How Does The Parachutist Know Desmond?
Post by: JMart on April 19, 2007, 12:30:10 AM
geez.. pointless thread.. obviously she will talk when she comes back to consciousness.. its whats called a cliff hanger to make u want to watch the next episode
Title: Re: How Does The Parachutist Know Desmond?
Post by: LouE68 on April 19, 2007, 12:31:32 AM
geez.. pointless thread.. obviously she will talk when she comes back to consciousness.. its whats called a cliff hanger to make u want to watch the next episode
In her case it's called a parachute hanger LOL
Title: Re: How Does The Parachutist Know Desmond?
Post by: Gar O Mac on April 19, 2007, 12:36:32 AM
No answers, only questions.  Lost, lost, lost.   

But isn't that why we love the show in the first place?
Title: Re: How Does The Parachutist Know Desmond?
Post by: Garrobo28 on April 19, 2007, 12:59:34 AM
We saw Kate's booty, that was all worth it!!!
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KATE'S BOOTY WAS TOTALLY WORTH IT! EVANGELINE IS HOOOOOOOOOOOOOT!
Title: Re: How Does The Parachutist Know Desmond?
Post by: LouE68 on April 19, 2007, 01:24:03 AM
We saw Kate's booty, that was all worth it!!!

KATE'S BOOTY WAS TOTALLY WORTH IT! EVANGELINE IS HOOOOOOOOOOOOOT!
[/quote]super sweet
Title: Re: How Does The Parachutist Know Desmond?
Post by: Pepsi-Maxx on April 19, 2007, 01:29:59 AM
well desmond was in the scottish army after all, i do not know a thing about helicopters or sumit, but maybe penelope worked in connection with the scots and got some of dezzys army peeps to help out, money talks after all.
Title: Re: How Does The Parachutist Know Desmond?
Post by: sleepymom on April 19, 2007, 03:18:58 AM
She looked just like Michaels' exwife that died......
Title: Re: How Does The Parachutist Know Desmond?
Post by: Pepsi-Maxx on April 19, 2007, 03:46:44 AM
true she did a little, but cus shes an english actress dunno weather that cud happen...but hey don't put anything out to spoil, all we know is shes important to the final of this season so guess we'll have to wait and see who naomi is....
Title: Re: How Does The Parachutist Know Desmond?
Post by: JMart on April 19, 2007, 04:08:34 AM
the girl who plays the girl who fell from the sky used to be on Las Vegas.. her name is Marsha Thomason.







(not the girl who played michael's ex wife)
Title: Re: How Does The Parachutist Know Desmond?
Post by: Wardroy on April 19, 2007, 07:52:45 AM
the obvious conclusion is that penny has sent her to find desmond, which means the outside world have finnally found the island, for the first time, in terms of what we have seen, she is the only person to get to the island who is not related to hanso, dharma, others etc

there is no way she is an other, why would they need another other in the camp, juliette is already there!
Title: Re: How Does The Parachutist Know Desmond?
Post by: thebeann on April 19, 2007, 07:55:32 AM
No answers, only questions.  Lost, lost, lost.   

But isn't that why we love the show in the first place?
Exactly. No more questions = No more LOST.
Title: Re: How Does The Parachutist Know Desmond?
Post by: thebeann on April 19, 2007, 08:00:02 AM
the obvious conclusion is that penny has sent her to find desmond, which means the outside world have finnally found the island, for the first time, in terms of what we have seen, she is the only person to get to the island who is not related to hanso, dharma, others etc

...other than the Losties, the Nigerians, Rousseau, etc...so clearly it is possible to get to the island outside of the sub. Just not usually planned.
Title: Re: How Does The Parachutist Know Desmond?
Post by: on the island on April 19, 2007, 09:46:00 AM
the obvious conclusion is that penny has sent her to find desmond, which means the outside world have finnally found the island, for the first time, in terms of what we have seen, she is the only person to get to the island who is not related to hanso, dharma, others etc

...other than the Losties, the Nigerians, Rousseau, etc...so clearly it is possible to get to the island outside of the sub. Just not usually planned.

The supply drops came from the sky as well (plane or helicopter).
Title: Re: How Does The Parachutist Know Desmond?
Post by: casino on April 19, 2007, 09:56:55 AM
Can we request one thing from the writer's of Lost....It's ok if you don't give answers, just no more questions!

Anyway, that lady was wearing some serious gear to have been on a helicopter.  The suit she was using is pressurized with a positive pressure air mask....the kind of stuff you do if you're in special ops and jump out of an "airliner" at 35000 feet.

The helicopter may have been a second event unrelated to the parachutist.

She did seem pretty geared up, especially if she was just flying a helicopter.  Question, though:  Did she ever intend to land the helicopter on the Island?  Maybe she knew that it wouldn't be possible because of the electromagnetic interference.  I say her one mission was to locate Desmond and communicate back using the satellite phone.  She was all geared up because she intended to ditch the aircraft in the first place.
Title: Re: How Does The Parachutist Know Desmond?
Post by: LostGirlDeb on April 19, 2007, 10:55:04 AM
the obvious conclusion is that penny has sent her to find desmond, which means the outside world have finnally found the island, for the first time, in terms of what we have seen, she is the only person to get to the island who is not related to hanso, dharma, others etc

there is no way she is an other, why would they need another other in the camp, juliette is already there!

I also think that it was Penny who sent her but as far as being the first person to land on the island not related to Dharma or the others....we really can't say that at this point.  Hell for all we know Penny and her family could be related to Hanso or Dharma or even the others....   
Title: Re: How Does The Parachutist Know Desmond?
Post by: FrostyLosty on April 19, 2007, 12:40:33 PM
Judging from her belongings, she was sent by Penny to find Desmond
Title: Re: How Does The Parachutist Know Desmond?
Post by: casino on April 19, 2007, 01:04:08 PM
Desmond didn't change anything by saving Charlie....at least nothing that we know about.  Everyone seems to be assuming that Penny was the parachutist and somehow changed into someone else because of something Desmond did.  Why does that have to be the case?  The only reason Penny got into the middle of it is because Desmond saw the picture of them together in his flashes.  That doesn't mean she was EVER the actual parachutist.

Desmond just jumped to the conclusion that it was her.
Title: Re: How Does The Parachutist Know Desmond?
Post by: Maxor127 on April 19, 2007, 01:16:37 PM
I think she was probably someone Penny sent and maybe gave her the picture so she could recognize Desmond, although that would be kind of dumb as if Penny doesn't have any other pictures of Desmond.  The book from her pack was apparently in Portuguese, and the woman had a tan latin complexion so I wouldn't be surprised if she is Portuguese/Brazilian and is speaking it next episode.  For some reason Penny is working with the Portuguese/Brazilians.
Title: Re: How Does The Parachutist Know Desmond?
Post by: jugdish on April 19, 2007, 01:18:24 PM
Because she hired them to find Desmond, they called her at the end of season 2
Title: Re: How Does The Parachutist Know Desmond?
Post by: Geronimo Jackson on April 19, 2007, 01:30:23 PM
Because she hired them to find Desmond, they called her at the end of season 2


or she was sent by Ben who works with Widmore and Dharma.
Title: Re: How Does The Parachutist Know Desmond?
Post by: MaxsDad on April 19, 2007, 01:33:54 PM
I think the whole island has gone 20 years into the future and the woman is Desmonds Daughter from the future.....I really need to stop reading other peoples theories! :'( 


Some one help me ..... :-[
Title: Re: How Does The Parachutist Know Desmond?
Post by: Geronimo Jackson on April 19, 2007, 01:35:26 PM
I think the whole island has gone 20 years into the future and the woman is Desmonds Daughter from the future.....I really need to stop reading other peoples theories! :'( 


Some one help me ..... :-[

You need an intervention no she is tied in with ben who has her photos up above his desk.
Title: Re: How Does The Parachutist Know Desmond?
Post by: Geronimo Jackson on April 19, 2007, 02:06:34 PM
She also could have been sent by ben, whomever to tell Des to let charlie die and restore the timeline.
Title: Re: How Does The Parachutist Know Desmond?
Post by: casino on April 19, 2007, 02:53:44 PM
She also could have been sent by ben, whomever to tell Des to let charlie die and restore the timeline.

I looked at the Investigations page, The Art of Otherville, and don't see anything resembling a dark-skinned girl above Ben's desk.  There is a black and white photo of Alex, though.
Title: Re: How Does The Parachutist Know Desmond?
Post by: WhatThe on April 19, 2007, 03:20:53 PM
She also could have been sent by ben, whomever to tell Des to let charlie die and restore the timeline.

Um, would hardly need to go through so much trouble to do that, I would think.
Title: Re: How Does The Parachutist Know Desmond?
Post by: MaxsDad on April 19, 2007, 03:26:31 PM
I think the whole island has gone 20 years into the future and the woman is Desmonds Daughter from the future.....I really need to stop reading other peoples theories! :'( 


Some one help me ..... :-[

You need an intervention no she is tied in with ben who has her photos up above his desk.
I didnt see her Photos above Bens desk!?!?!  I saw Alex's pictures though!
Title: Re: How Does The Parachutist Know Desmond?
Post by: solost on April 19, 2007, 03:33:54 PM
methinks she's an other, to be honest.

You know the first thing I thought when I saw this lady was that maybe Penny fell in the water with the helicopter...but then I thought that maybe she really is an other. Desmond didn't exactly act like he knew the girl, yet she knew him.
I agree, she is an OTHER...remember the others are masters of deception. she may be the distraction needed by the others to get Juliet away from the losties in about a week, as Ben said!
Title: Re: How Does The Parachutist Know Desmond?
Post by: Creflo on April 19, 2007, 03:50:53 PM
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Hell for all we know Penny and her family could be related to Hanso or Dharma or even the others....

The Widmores are most certainly connected.

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Widmore Construction is also mentioned on Thomas Werner Mittelwerk's answer phone on the Hanso phone line (part of the Lost Experience) alongside Paik Heavy Industries.

    * Widmore Labs
          o Sponsored or manufactured the balloon of the real Henry Gale.
          o Was the maker of the pregnancy test used by Rachel ("Not in Portland"), Kate ("I Do"), and Sun ("The Whole Truth").

Widmore and the Hanso Foundation both are housed in the Widmore on East 57th Street in New York City
(Lostpedia)

I speculate that the pilot will hook up with the Losties and tell them that Penny was flying with her.  Penny will be found by The Others.  One reason this may NOT be true would be if she is indeed outfitted for HALO jumping.

Edit:  Her name is Naomi, btw.
Title: Re: How Does The Parachutist Know Desmond?
Post by: LostGirlDeb on April 19, 2007, 03:54:27 PM
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Hell for all we know Penny and her family could be related to Hanso or Dharma or even the others....

The Widmores are most certainly connected.

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Widmore Construction is also mentioned on Thomas Werner Mittelwerk's answer phone on the Hanso phone line (part of the Lost Experience) alongside Paik Heavy Industries.

    * Widmore Labs
          o Sponsored or manufactured the balloon of the real Henry Gale.
          o Was the maker of the pregnancy test used by Rachel ("Not in Portland"), Kate ("I Do"), and Sun ("The Whole Truth").

Widmore and the Hanso Foundation both are housed in the Widmore on East 57th Street in New York City
(Lostpedia)

I speculate that the pilot will hook up with the Losties and tell them that Penny was flying with her.  Penny will be found by The Others.  One reason this may NOT be true would be if she is indeed outfitted for HALO jumping.

Edit:  Her name is Naomi, btw.

YUP! :D
Title: Re: How Does The Parachutist Know Desmond?
Post by: PurpleLostPrincess on April 19, 2007, 08:42:12 PM
the obvious conclusion is that penny has sent her to find desmond, which means the outside world have finnally found the island, for the first time, in terms of what we have seen, she is the only person to get to the island who is not related to hanso, dharma, others etc

there is no way she is an other, why would they need another other in the camp, juliette is already there!

I also think that it was Penny who sent her but as far as being the first person to land on the island not related to Dharma or the others....we really can't say that at this point.  Hell for all we know Penny and her family could be related to Hanso or Dharma or even the others....   

I agree, we can't say at this point at all - especially considering Eko's brother's plane and the real Henry Gale (although we have speculated their possible connections, we haven't entirely proved or disproved them).
Title: Re: How Does The Parachutist Know Desmond?
Post by: a_dot_out on April 20, 2007, 04:01:51 AM
oops, nevermind. replied to something on the previous page, found to be redundant after reading the third.
Title: Re: How Does The Parachutist Know Desmond?
Post by: JBRam on April 20, 2007, 12:46:05 PM
Is the parachutist's name a spoiler OR DO WE ACTUALLY KNOW HER NAME FROM THE SHOW?

If it is a spoiler, PLEASE put it in spoiler tags.
Title: Re: How Does The Parachutist Know Desmond?
Post by: LostGirlDeb on April 20, 2007, 12:48:09 PM
its a spoiler I think
Title: Re: How Does The Parachutist Know Desmond?
Post by: matahari on April 20, 2007, 01:27:22 PM
Because she hired them to find Desmond, they called her at the end of season 2


or she was sent by Ben who works with Widmore and Dharma.
What does one snowman say to the other? Is the parachutist Desmond's hatch replacement?

Is she in response to Locke's "enter 77?"

or Did Penelope us daddy's resources to find him. "With enough money...."
or Are they're all tangled up into one.
Title: Re: How Does The Parachutist Know Desmond?
Post by: rjm.barnes@hotmail.co.uk on April 20, 2007, 01:35:13 PM
Is she in response to Locke's "enter 77?"




Wow that'll open up whole new can of worms. Excellent idea - --- I hope the writers are taking note ;)
Title: Re: How Does The Parachutist Know Desmond?
Post by: matahari on April 20, 2007, 02:04:32 PM
When I first heard a spoiler of a parachutist I though DHARMA would send someone to investigate the "incursion by the hostiles." That would've made sense. But the chutist has a portuguese book matching her up with Penny's artic explorers.
 
I don't think the idea that she's Desmond's replacememnt for the hatch is too far fetched. She comes with basically the same personal affects that Desmond came with and in a similar fashion. Could she be the guy he was expecting when Locke opened the hatch?
If Widmore and Dharma send her to replace Desmond, Des can return to Pen. (If Locke hadn't blown up the submarine).
Title: Re: How Does The Parachutist Know Desmond?
Post by: LouE68 on April 20, 2007, 04:23:36 PM
Is the parachutist's name a spoiler OR DO WE ACTUALLY KNOW HER NAME FROM THE SHOW?

If it is a spoiler, PLEASE put it in spoiler tags.
IMDB already lists a credit for Naomi...
Title: Re: How Does The Parachutist Know Desmond?
Post by: puff6962 on April 20, 2007, 04:43:59 PM
What if the parachutist was Penny but her transition across the island's barrier (or whatever) caused her to become physically different?  Desmond could date two women in one.  What if the Penny that was able to cross into the island came from a differing reality than that of the bag that dropped with the white Penny in the photo? 

I have long diatribed about certain inconsistencies in certain character's flashbacks....particularly Locke's.  If we go by the reverse bush (that sounded bad) notion of quantum threads...many realities converging into one...then it is possible that Desmond met this beautiful girl Penny and in a certain reality....she is black!  Same person in every other way, but black.  Of course, this would mean that the bag found in the tree came from a separate reality of an identical, but white, Penny.  Hence, the desprepancy in the photo and the parachutist.

It would be like Superman and Bizarro Superman (I loved that Seinfeld episode).  Ha.  What a mind$%#&!
Title: Re: How Does The Parachutist Know Desmond?
Post by: LostGirlDeb on April 20, 2007, 04:49:56 PM
When I first heard a spoiler of a parachutist I though DHARMA would send someone to investigate the "incursion by the hostiles." That would've made sense. But the chutist has a portuguese book matching her up with Penny's artic explorers.
 
I don't think the idea that she's Desmond's replacememnt for the hatch is too far fetched. She comes with basically the same personal affects that Desmond came with and in a similar fashion. Could she be the guy he was expecting when Locke opened the hatch?
If Widmore and Dharma send her to replace Desmond, Des can return to Pen. (If Locke hadn't blown up the submarine).
HEY!! Thats a good thought!
We never did think of  Desmond's replacement.
But I thought that Des was sorta forgotten and not really "official"
and kind of just kept pressing the button for Kelvin because he had no idea what would happen if he didn't and so nobody really knew he was there, so why would they send someone to replace him?
And if they were sending a replacement for Kelvin then she would have said Desmonds name
Unless I'm wrong...
Title: Re: How Does The Parachutist Know Desmond?
Post by: Ladybug on April 21, 2007, 11:10:11 AM
What if the parachutist was Penny but her transition across the island's barrier (or whatever) caused her to become physically different?  Desmond could date two women in one.  What if the Penny that was able to cross into the island came from a differing reality than that of the bag that dropped with the white Penny in the photo? 

I have long diatribed about certain inconsistencies in certain character's flashbacks....particularly Locke's.  If we go by the reverse bush (that sounded bad) notion of quantum threads...many realities converging into one...then it is possible that Desmond met this beautiful girl Penny and in a certain reality....she is black!  Same person in every other way, but black.  Of course, this would mean that the bag found in the tree came from a separate reality of an identical, but white, Penny.  Hence, the desprepancy in the photo and the parachutist.

It would be like Superman and Bizarro Superman (I loved that Seinfeld episode).  Ha.  What a mind$%#&!
but wouldn't her name still be penny (because that's what desmond knows her as) not naomi?
When I first heard a spoiler of a parachutist I though DHARMA would send someone to investigate the "incursion by the hostiles." That would've made sense. But the chutist has a portuguese book matching her up with Penny's artic explorers.
 
I don't think the idea that she's Desmond's replacememnt for the hatch is too far fetched. She comes with basically the same personal affects that Desmond came with and in a similar fashion. Could she be the guy he was expecting when Locke opened the hatch?
If Widmore and Dharma send her to replace Desmond, Des can return to Pen. (If Locke hadn't blown up the submarine).
HEY!! Thats a good thought!
We never did think of  Desmond's replacement.
But I thought that Des was sorta forgotten and not really "official"
and kind of just kept pressing the button for Kelvin because he had no idea what would happen if he didn't and so nobody really knew he was there, so why would they send someone to replace him?
And if they were sending a replacement for Kelvin then she would have said Desmonds name
Unless I'm wrong...
i kind of like the "replacement" idea.  although my favorite is that she was sent to the island by penny.  i think naomi is part of the "expedition" we saw at the end of season 2, hence the portugese novel.  once they saw the "error" message, they sent in someone to find out what happened.  (that was only 3 weeks ago wasn't it??)
Title: Re: How Does The Parachutist Know Desmond?
Post by: Stardom009 on April 21, 2007, 11:31:05 PM
yep all you guys are wright she was send after noticing the island by the portugese guys (all part off the group that penny made in search for desmond) and you guys no way she is the replacement. no freakin way that would be so lame. i hope she is alive but you know then she would tell to much info ar maybe her last words are going to be that penny is searching for him, so he knows. that would be cool   
Title: Re: How Does The Parachutist Know Desmond?
Post by: thebeann on April 22, 2007, 10:49:06 AM
yep all you guys are wright she was send after noticing the island by the portugese guys (all part off the group that penny made in search for desmond) and you guys no way she is the replacement. no freakin way that would be so lame. i hope she is alive but you know then she would tell to much info ar maybe her last words are going to be that penny is searching for him, so he knows. that would be cool   

I agree. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. The obvious conclusion is that she was sent by Penny to find Desmond. I submit as evidence:




Title: Re: How Does The Parachutist Know Desmond?
Post by: matahari on April 23, 2007, 02:31:55 AM
She did say Desmond's name. She was sent for him.

However, Kelvin was involved with Dharma he pushed the button. We don't know that he knew the "hostiles" but its very possible considering he knew about Radzinsky's edits to the orientation, and co-wrote the blast door map. He knew where the flame was. He could've sent a message. (If Mikhail didn't shoot him)

What if Pen WIDMORE found out what her father did to Desmond, and with her father's resources found a suitable replacement for Des.
She could be a replacement, a rescue attempt, or just sending a message for Pen. Widmore would know Desmond was there though.