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Title: Implants
Post by: Fallybear on April 12, 2007, 09:56:45 AM
It was revealed that Juliet placed an implant in Clair. We would have to assume that Sawyer also has one. He woke up with an incision on his chest while in the Hydra. Ben told him it was there to prevent him from escaping by detecting his heart rate and blowing up his heart if he exerted himself too much. (Remember the rabbit??) We now know that wasn't true.

Did other losties also get an implant when they were rendered unconscious?
Title: Re: Implants
Post by: DirtyMaggieMae on April 12, 2007, 10:02:41 AM
I'm not sure it was Juliette who put the implant in, I figured it was Ethan.  Sawyer's chest incision was a fake out.  Claire never had any mysterious cuts on her from an implant, so I'd think that they were more discrete in installing it.  If it was put in her just as a set up for Juliette to save the day I don't know.  Ethan was also the surgeon there, so he is most likely to have done it.  He was dead by the time the other Losties were unconscious, so I question the likelihood that they have them also.
Title: Re: Implants
Post by: Creflo on April 12, 2007, 10:13:21 AM
Kate may have had the "get sick when I press a button" implant put in during her time after the beachside breakfast (or was it before?) and pretty much anyone who was unconscious while being held by Others is suspect as well.  They have the means of implanting without the subject being aware at all.

They probably can use them to track their movements as well.
Title: Re: Implants
Post by: AGGS on April 13, 2007, 11:04:31 AM
Howdy all,

After checking this site out since season 2 and seeing everyone bring up every possible theory for everything which has, or could have happened it has taken a while for me to find something to post!

So, if the Others have these fantastic implants they can set off to trigger symptoms like bleeding from the mouth (and nose?), is there any reason why we think they cant have one which makes you bleed from the ears and froth from the mouth. You now, just in case i dont know..... maybe you are compromised and are pushed through a crazy-zapper-death-anti-smokie-fence which is unfortunately turned off at the time and you need to fake your death?!  ::)

Have been browsing around and havent seen anyone really touch on this yet (if they have; sorry, i must be blind!)
Title: Re: Implants
Post by: Lost_Is_My_Favorite on April 13, 2007, 11:10:35 AM
I guess you're right.  He could be alive and well!  Lord knows they could have known the Losties were heading to him and this was their plan all along.  Kind of like the big game of Mouse Trap that Locke so loves.
Title: Re: Implants
Post by: Lost-N-Detroit on April 13, 2007, 12:18:28 PM
And Miss B has a blood squib in her pocket. Yeah right, that russian is so dead from the microwave fence. Plus Kate checked him after she climbed over the fence.
Title: Re: Implants
Post by: scrod on April 13, 2007, 01:24:13 PM
I dunno, but I suspect Nikki had implants.

Bada-bing

Thank you! I'm outta here!
Title: Re: Implants
Post by: LOST N LOST on April 13, 2007, 01:39:26 PM
I dunno, but I suspect Nikki had implants.

Bada-bing

Thank you! I'm outta here!

oh, if a spider bite is an impant your right on! lol
Title: Re: Implants
Post by: Sunflower on April 13, 2007, 01:44:11 PM
That's an interesting thought.  The Others sure would be going to a lot of effort to make the Losties scared of a broken fence.  What about the Smoke Monster tho?  He couldn't get thru the fence when it was turned on.  I believe that Locke new Michal (or however you spell his name) and wanted him dead or was at least willing to sacrifice his life to see if the fence worked.
Title: Re: Implants
Post by: Wishbone on April 13, 2007, 09:12:53 PM
Didn't Kate check Mikhails pulse? maybe not, can't remember

When did they implant Claire though - it had to be fairly recent because they couldn't have predicted the timing of recent events with so much accuracy
Title: Re: Implants
Post by: DirtyMaggieMae on April 13, 2007, 09:20:39 PM
I think she did check it, and while any dope can check a pulse, they might not always get an accurate answer.  If the implant could blast blood from your ears and foam from your mouth, it just might be able to have a pacemaker effect and start your heart a pumping also.  I think Mikhail is dead, personally, but the implants are a good back up in case an Other goes astray.  Klugh was willing to be SHOT TWICE IN THE CHEST so that she wouldn't have to betray/reveal information.  Or it could be exclusive to Mikhail.  Maybe he was stationed at the Flame and meant to stay there.  Once he passed the fence it triggered the implant because it means he was forced into doing something or decided to go rouge.
Title: Re: Implants
Post by: JBRam on April 13, 2007, 09:27:48 PM
When did they implant Claire though - it had to be fairly recent because they couldn't have predicted the timing of recent events with so much accuracy
They implanted her when she was in the hatch... It was a remote detonation type thing.
Title: Re: Implants
Post by: ChellyKins on April 13, 2007, 09:32:10 PM
I dunno, but I suspect Nikki had implants.

Bada-bing

Thank you! I'm outta here!

oh, if a spider bite is an impant your right on! lol

Umm, not sure...but willing to bet Scrod is referring to her BREAST size with this one...not her DEATH style. lol
Title: Re: Implants
Post by: kkehoe5 on April 13, 2007, 11:49:27 PM
I dunno, but I suspect Nikki had implants.

Bada-bing

Thank you! I'm outta here!

oh, if a spider bite is an impant your right on! lol

Wow I can't believe you didn't..........um never mind thats just funny!!
Title: Re: Implants
Post by: Wishbone on April 14, 2007, 06:40:03 AM
When did they implant Claire though - it had to be fairly recent because they couldn't have predicted the timing of recent events with so much accuracy
They implanted her when she was in the hatch... It was a remote detonation type thing.

But he said her implant would go off in 48 hours like it was a timed thing, not that it would go off when JUliete reached the beach, what if something had happenned and she didn't get there in 48 hours, if it was remote then why not just set it off when Juliette got there? - could they have implanted her so far in advance....not sure
Title: Re: Implants
Post by: DirtyMaggieMae on April 14, 2007, 11:34:35 AM
I think the effects of the activation of the implant would appear in 48 hours. 
Title: Re: Implants
Post by: ChellyKins on April 14, 2007, 11:54:34 AM
Looked to me as if the symptoms had to progress into full blown disease and nosebleeds and all that jazz...so maybe he triggered it before they left and she had within 48 hours to get to her or she'd die. Ben don't care if these people die. He cares about himself and that's it.
Title: Re: Implants
Post by: Chefpyro on April 14, 2007, 12:11:30 PM
Also, let's not forget that Saywer was first told that he had an implant that would blow up his heart. Then he was told that he was conned. Maybe he wasn't conned. Perhaps there is an implant in him, that THEY have control of.
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Title: Re: Implants
Post by: ChellyKins on April 14, 2007, 12:12:40 PM
Also, let's not forget that Saywer was first told that he had an implant that would blow up his heart. Then he was told that he was conned. Maybe he wasn't conned. Perhaps there is an implant in him, that THEY have control of.
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Ooooh, I forgot about that! So yeah, that implant could've been for something else and not for the whole crap story Ben told him...Good point.
Title: Re: Implants
Post by: Chefpyro on April 14, 2007, 12:15:30 PM
and another thing, Ben stated that Claire would be symptomatic in 48 hours. but for what? what is it that the implant is stopping, and they can disable at any time. basically what i'm saying is ... once the implant is turned off? then there are 48 hours before what ever is really goin on starts happening?
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Title: Re: Implants
Post by: Chefpyro on April 14, 2007, 12:17:35 PM
I think maybe the implant(s) are being put in place as insurance that Ben stay's in control. but even Ben has a boss.
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Title: Re: Implants
Post by: matahari on April 14, 2007, 03:36:45 PM
Totally think Sawyer has an implant too. Who else could? 

I think Patchy's still alive. If he had an implant too the others could have triggered it and then gone back to inject him with the antidote later. But then why couldn't they have done the same to Bea. Why did Mikhael have to shoot her? did she not have an implant?
Do the others have implants or just the test subjects, aka losties?
Title: Re: Implants
Post by: matahari on April 14, 2007, 03:45:03 PM
Kate may have had the "get sick when I press a button" implant put in during her time after the beachside breakfast (or was it before?) and pretty much anyone who was unconscious while being held by Others is suspect as well.  They have the means of implanting without the subject being aware at all.

They probably can use them to track their movements as well.
I'm starting to believe this. Do we think the others have implants as well?
Title: Re: Implants
Post by: Gordon Shumway on April 14, 2007, 09:06:50 PM
I agree that Kate, Sawyer, Jack, Sayid, and Locke now have some implant in them.  Maybe even some sort of tracking mechanism?
Title: Re: Implants
Post by: LouE68 on April 14, 2007, 10:29:13 PM
This is just an idea...but...if Ethan was able to draw blood from Claire, even before he kidnapped her, without her knowledge...it makes sense that there could be other "others" around...implanting whoever, doing what ever without anyones knowledge...they are kinda stealthy when they want to be...
Title: Re: Implants
Post by: Maxor127 on April 15, 2007, 01:12:58 AM
I've been
Howdy all,

After checking this site out since season 2 and seeing everyone bring up every possible theory for everything which has, or could have happened it has taken a while for me to find something to post!

So, if the Others have these fantastic implants they can set off to trigger symptoms like bleeding from the mouth (and nose?), is there any reason why we think they cant have one which makes you bleed from the ears and froth from the mouth. You now, just in case i dont know..... maybe you are compromised and are pushed through a crazy-zapper-death-anti-smokie-fence which is unfortunately turned off at the time and you need to fake your death?!  ::)

Have been browsing around and havent seen anyone really touch on this yet (if they have; sorry, i must be blind!)
I've been saying I don't think he's dead and that the fence wasn't really turned on when he was pushed through and Kate and them climbed over.  It wasn't until Juliet typed in the code that the fence was activated and it shielded them from the monster.  So instead of being a sonic death fence, it's more of a force field.  That's a good theory about an implant.
Title: Re: Implants
Post by: LOST N LOST on April 15, 2007, 06:52:18 PM
I dunno, but I suspect Nikki had implants.

Bada-bing

Thank you! I'm outta here!

oh, if a spider bite is an impant your right on! lol

Wow I can't believe you didn't..........um never mind thats just funny!!

haha, wow... i am retarded. I was really confused, cause i didnt think you were that stupid. but guess i am! lol
Title: Re: Implants
Post by: ChellyKins on April 15, 2007, 09:34:08 PM
This is just an idea...but...if Ethan was able to draw blood from Claire, even before he kidnapped her, without her knowledge...it makes sense that there could be other "others" around...implanting whoever, doing what ever without anyones knowledge...they are kinda stealthy when they want to be...


This would be TRIPPY!!!

BUT...didn't it show how Ethan would tell her to Shhh and cover her mouth? And she would always assume it was a real thing but told it was a dream..
What about the blood she had all over her tho? Once was a dream then right?

God I hate this show. Once question possibly answered 90 more sparked. :'(
Title: Re: Implants
Post by: matahari on April 16, 2007, 01:45:57 PM
This is just an idea...but...if Ethan was able to draw blood from Claire, even before he kidnapped her, without her knowledge...it makes sense that there could be other "others" around...implanting whoever, doing what ever without anyones knowledge...they are kinda stealthy when they want to be...


This would be TRIPPY!!!

BUT...didn't it show how Ethan would tell her to Shhh and cover her mouth? And she would always assume it was a real thing but told it was a dream..
What about the blood she had all over her tho? Once was a dream then right?

God I hate this show. Once question possibly answered 90 more sparked. :'(
That was her blood. she dug her fingernails into her hands. i woud took if someone stuck a needle in my stomach.
Title: Re: Implants
Post by: AGGS on April 19, 2007, 01:09:25 AM
And Miss B has a blood squib in her pocket. Yeah right, that russian is so dead from the microwave fence. Plus Kate checked him after she climbed over the fence.

Spoiler

Looks like Patchy Lives!! Check the S03E18 D.O.C comments

http://lostpedia.com/wiki/Season_3/prespoilers (http://lostpedia.com/wiki/Season_3/prespoilers)
Title: Re: Implants
Post by: Unreasonable on April 20, 2007, 09:57:56 AM
I didn't see this in any other post, so I thought it warranted a new post, as I think it would be buried and/or forgotten in the implant post.

How does Ben or the Others 'in charge' of Claire's implant turn the implant off at just the correct time?

I am under the assumption based upon Juliet's flashback with Ben, that the implant caused the sickness in Claire and that Juliet's explanation of the autoimmune reaction was just a ruse.  So, how did they do this? 

1)  Juliett turned the implant off with either the serum or via some other mechanism at hand we didn't see.

2)  The Others turned it off remotely at a pre-determined time-frame, hoping that Juliet would be successful.

3)  The Others can see the Losties on the beach with cameras or some other method and knew when to turn off the implant.

4)  Vincent turned it off with telekinesis.


Title: Re: Implants
Post by: JBRam on April 20, 2007, 12:23:25 PM
Come on now, don't be Unreasonable ;)

(Ok, that's my bad pun for the day... sorry folks)

My guess is that the implant was a one-shot. They ACTIVATED the implant, not turned it on. This makes me think that it held a collection of bacteria or some sort and when activated, released said bacteria. Juliet's shot was an antibacterial medicine that killed the bacteria, thus making Claire better.

So no, no one turned it off.
Title: Re: Implants
Post by: jugdish on April 20, 2007, 12:25:35 PM
Juliet gave her a shot, that cured what the implant gave her. No mystery
Title: Re: Implants
Post by: WG?JIFFY on April 25, 2007, 02:06:56 PM
I think the shot(injection) could have just stopped the symptoms for now and they probably can "re-activate" the implant again if need be.

Still think there is an "implant" like Clairs in all of the Losties that have come into contact with the others.  Maybe all of them because Ethan was on the beach with them for several days and could have put an implant in each of them. (Except Bernard since he was at the other beach and the other guy didn't put the implants in them.  LOL)
Title: Re: Implants
Post by: JBRam on April 27, 2007, 02:03:50 AM
I think the only question is whether the implant can be activated a second time or not.
Title: Re: Implants
Post by: Sweet Old Lady on April 27, 2007, 05:11:29 AM
I wonder if Jack/Kate/Sawyer had implants put in when they were first kidnaped?  Kate and Sawyer both had bandages on their arms.  I don't remember if Jack did.  Hmmmm?
Title: Re: Implants
Post by: Sunflower on April 27, 2007, 01:41:04 PM
Yeah, Jack did too.  I remember us all talking about it.