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Title: Rain
Post by: kmetzk92 on April 05, 2007, 12:10:40 PM
Just wondering, but right before it rained.. juliette definately knew that it was going to rain anytime soon.. do you guys think this is just a coincidence or does julliete know something more
Title: Re: Rain
Post by: WhatThe on April 05, 2007, 12:12:22 PM
I thought the rain was an excuse to show two beautiful women with wet shirts handcuffed together lol...
Title: Re: Rain
Post by: surfmadpig on April 05, 2007, 12:13:03 PM
Juliette has been living on the island for three years. That's why she's more accustomed to the climate and can recognize signs of imminent rain. That's what I think. Nothing strange there.
Title: Re: Rain
Post by: casino on April 05, 2007, 12:14:49 PM
She knew.  If you recall, Locke took off from camp in the first season, after he had encountered Smokey and "looked into the eye of the Island," and someone....Boone, I think...followed him and wanted to go along.  He told him that he should turn back, especially since it was getting ready to rain.  Boone told him that it didn't look like rain, and a few seconds later it started to pour down.  I think Boone said something like "So, they teach you that at the box company?"

Juliet, like Locke, has a connection with the Island.  I think part of this connection is being in tune with the weather.  
Title: Re: Rain
Post by: casino on April 05, 2007, 12:15:47 PM
Juliette has been living on the island for three years. That's why she's more accustomed to the climate and can recognize signs of imminent rain. That's what I think. Nothing strange there.

I would buy that if it wasn't for the similar incident with Locke.  I think it's more than that.
Title: Re: Rain
Post by: kmetzk92 on April 05, 2007, 12:24:45 PM
I also just noticed that kate was following a trail and said if it rains ill lose the trail.. the trail leads them back to the others camp so the others most probably left from the camp throught he tunnels
Title: Re: Rain
Post by: kkehoe5 on April 05, 2007, 12:28:58 PM
I think she saw the forcast on Others TV news at 10!
Title: Re: Rain
Post by: HanginWithMrEko on April 05, 2007, 12:32:06 PM
She predicted the rain just like Locke. Let's not over think what she knows and doesn't know. When I am outside and it's 2 minutes from raining... I could probably guess it... and in some areas, you can actually smell it..

If she said, it's going to rain 45 minutes from now, I'd think bout it more.
Title: Re: Rain
Post by: WhatThe on April 05, 2007, 12:35:27 PM
She predicted the rain just like Locke. Let's not over think what she knows and doesn't know. When I am outside and it's 2 minutes from raining... I could probably guess it... and in some areas, you can actually smell it..

If she said, it's going to rain 45 minutes from now, I'd think bout it more.

True...plus I don't thnk Kate doubted Juliet when she predicted rain. It was more like Kate said "So what" and kept on walking, whether it was going to start raining or not. It was as if she, too, knew it was gonna rain soon, but didn't care.

I still hold up my theory that it was nothing more than the writers wanting to show Kate and Juliet all soaking wet lol...notice they ALSO had these two women fall into the mud (!! lol). Rain, mud, handcuffed, wrestling...oh, yeah, it was purposeful lol :)
Title: Re: Rain
Post by: surfmadpig on April 05, 2007, 12:37:08 PM
I guess there is a remote chance it means something more, but its' a very very remote chance :b
Title: Re: Rain
Post by: dweebs on April 05, 2007, 12:40:25 PM
I don't think anything sinister is here. Juliet is merely accostomed to the climate, and it makes sense that locke should know because of his hunting/walkabout obssesion.
Title: Re: Rain
Post by: Maxor127 on April 05, 2007, 12:45:57 PM
I thought of Locke too when that scene happened.  I think she somehow knew.  I don't see any other reason why they'd have that scene.  They could've just made it start raining with no comments.
Title: Re: Rain
Post by: thwgt on April 05, 2007, 12:49:43 PM
I thought the rain was an excuse to show two beautiful women with wet shirts handcuffed together lol...
And to create a convenient mud puddle for them to fall into. ;D
Title: Re: Rain
Post by: Nancy Drew on April 05, 2007, 12:56:28 PM
We know that one aspect of the Dharma projects was weather experiments.  We were told this in one of the orientation videos, the Swan, I think.  I think the rain is on a cycle and that is why Juliet knows when it will happen and I think that Locke figured it out.  Plus, is the rain connected to cerberus?  We always see him during or right after a good rain!!
Title: Re: Rain
Post by: kkehoe5 on April 05, 2007, 01:00:18 PM
She looked up and saw clouds, and said it will rain. Not that much of a mystery.

Wow the writers must love it when we add to their story about a simple rain fall. Try not to over think this show too much.
Title: Re: Rain
Post by: Maxor127 on April 05, 2007, 01:12:58 PM
I'd say something smartassy like that too for most theories like this, but Locke clearly predicted the moment rain would fall once before, and Juliet seemed to indicate the same thing.  I agree it has something to do with Dharma meteorology experiments.
Title: Re: Rain
Post by: DirtyMaggieMae on April 05, 2007, 01:20:25 PM
We know that one aspect of the Dharma projects was weather experiments.  We were told this in one of the orientation videos, the Swan, I think.  I think the rain is on a cycle and that is why Juliet knows when it will happen and I think that Locke figured it out.  Plus, is the rain connected to cerberus?  We always see him during or right after a good rain!!

I also think that there is some weather machine or climate device.  As for cerberus, I don't think it rained when it killed Eko? 
Title: Re: Rain
Post by: Nancy Drew on April 05, 2007, 01:22:20 PM
I guess you're right.  For some reason I thought it had rained when Eko was standing there with Yemi. 
Title: Re: Rain
Post by: casino on April 05, 2007, 02:33:30 PM
I'd say something smartassy like that too for most theories like this, but Locke clearly predicted the moment rain would fall once before, and Juliet seemed to indicate the same thing.  I agree it has something to do with Dharma meteorology experiments.

Exactly.  Nancy Drew has a point.  Either the rain is on a cycle that the Others are aware of, or there is some kind of link with the Island that makes them more aware of weather patterns, or something like that, but it wasn't just coincidence or the smell of rain.  (A) Why mention it at all?  Why not just let it start raining.  (B) No trickle of rain, no drops and then a gradual increase.  One minute it's not raining, the next minute it's full on raining.  Yeah, I know that can happen naturally, but I think it's foreshadowing that it happened the same way to Locke and Juliet.  Also, I think it's much more telling that she predicting the rain within 45 seconds or so, just as Locke did, than predicting it a day or a few hours in advance.  The timing is too coincidental.

I agree that we often make something out of nothing, but to me putting this down as coincidence is just ignoring the obvious.

The big question is, what tipped her off?  Is it time based like Nancy said, a psychic link the Island like I think, or something else?  I'm intrigued by Nancy's theory about a time cycle.
Title: Re: Rain
Post by: HanginWithMrEko on April 05, 2007, 04:57:53 PM
i completely disagree... I think sometimes it's just obvious when it's about to rain... and I can imagine it's more obvious in a tropical climate...

I think the rain was to show Kate's determination to go back and help Jack. It also created a conflict between Juliet and Kate... follow the trail or wait til after the storm.

Title: Re: Rain
Post by: casino on April 05, 2007, 05:08:41 PM
i completely disagree... I think sometimes it's just obvious when it's about to rain... and I can imagine it's more obvious in a tropical climate...

I think the rain was to show Kate's determination to go back and help Jack. It also created a conflict between Juliet and Kate... follow the trail or wait til after the storm.



I guess we have to agree to disagree, then.  I think it's painfully obvious that the writers are trying to make a point concerning control of the weather or a psychic tie to the Island.  The best part is:

WE SHALL SEE!
Title: Re: Rain
Post by: KateReallyLovesJack on April 05, 2007, 05:09:18 PM
The first thing that came to my mind was in season 1 with Locke and Boone - I can't see that being a simple coincidence. It has rained on the island many times before without the need for someone to foreshadow it by saying, oh it's about to rain.
So yeah, I agree with you Nancy Drew and whoever else said it. I think the rain is on a cycle and Locke, being as in tune with the island as he is  ???, was able to figure that out quite quickly.
Title: Re: Rain
Post by: lost_soul12 on April 05, 2007, 10:02:31 PM
yea there has to be some kind of connection with knowing when its gonna rain its lost i mean looking at the clouds and guessing that its goin to rain is to simple lol
Title: Re: Rain
Post by: Nancy Drew on April 05, 2007, 10:09:56 PM
My thinking is that it was Dharma's way of having a constant supply of fresh water on the island.  I know there is a waterfall and a stream and a little lake, but rain is replenishing what is taken for human/animal consumption.  I think they put the rain on a cycle because they knew they needed to keep balance for the environment on the island.
Title: Re: Rain
Post by: Chefpyro on April 05, 2007, 10:41:04 PM
it rains when Smokey is coming
<------Pyro[move]
Title: Re: Rain
Post by: Nancy Drew on April 05, 2007, 10:46:53 PM
it rains when Smokey is coming
<------Pyro[move]
That's what I thought too, but we don't think it rained when Eko got killed.
Title: Re: Rain
Post by: DirtyMaggieMae on April 05, 2007, 10:50:23 PM
Also, Juliet said 'it's going rain, shouldn't we wait til morning?' If the rain brought smokie she would be on the other side of that fence in a flash.
Title: Re: Rain
Post by: Nancy Drew on April 05, 2007, 10:56:41 PM
True, but maybe that's why she wanted to wait til morning.  Maybe she thought taking shelter was the better route.
Title: Re: Rain
Post by: DirtyMaggieMae on April 05, 2007, 10:58:15 PM
Touche!
Title: Re: Rain
Post by: Nancy Drew on April 05, 2007, 11:04:02 PM
We need to re-watch the epi when Eko dies.  I could've sworn that it rained for a few minutes.
Title: Re: Rain
Post by: Chefpyro on April 05, 2007, 11:06:02 PM
it did
<------Pyro[move]
Title: Re: Rain
Post by: DirtyMaggieMae on April 05, 2007, 11:41:38 PM
What about when it took Locke down the hole, when they were on the Black Rock mission?
Title: Re: Rain
Post by: Nancy Drew on April 06, 2007, 12:00:55 AM
Good question!  I don't know.  But I do know that's when we saw the Hurley bird for the first time.
Title: Re: Rain
Post by: thwgt on April 06, 2007, 12:04:48 AM
Good question!  I don't know.  But I do know that's when we saw the Hurley bird for the first time.
Nice connection.  I think folks have forgotten about the Hurley bird.
Title: Re: Rain
Post by: Nancy Drew on April 06, 2007, 12:06:49 AM
The second time we saw it, Smokie also appeared, didn't he?  It seems to warn them of danger, I think.
Title: Re: Rain
Post by: Nancy Drew on April 06, 2007, 12:07:31 AM
Unless the bird is Smokie, too.  Hell, isn't eveyone Smokie!! ;D ???
Title: Re: Rain
Post by: thwgt on April 06, 2007, 12:12:31 AM
Unless the bird is Smokie, too.  Hell, isn't eveyone Smokie!! ;D ???
I know I am. ;D
Title: Re: Rain
Post by: dweebs on April 06, 2007, 08:11:17 AM
I don't think it rained when we see smokie meet Eko and Charlie.
Title: Re: Rain
Post by: HanginWithMrEko on April 06, 2007, 11:26:20 AM
i completely disagree... I think sometimes it's just obvious when it's about to rain... and I can imagine it's more obvious in a tropical climate...

I think the rain was to show Kate's determination to go back and help Jack. It also created a conflict between Juliet and Kate... follow the trail or wait til after the storm.



I guess we have to agree to disagree, then.  I think it's painfully obvious that the writers are trying to make a point concerning control of the weather or a psychic tie to the Island.  The best part is:

WE SHALL SEE!

deal! agree to disagree!

I wont debate whether or not there are experiements, but I just think that sometimes you can just tell when it rains... not cycles or ties to an island...

either way, I hope I am wrong so there is more to the story..
Title: Re: Rain
Post by: matahari on April 06, 2007, 04:04:42 PM
Isn't there a meteorology station on the Island. maybe they do know if its going to rain in the sense of a weather report.
Title: Re: Rain
Post by: matahari on April 06, 2007, 04:07:17 PM
p.s. moisture in the atmosphere conducts electricity. thats why we don't have thunderstorms in the winter.
Title: Re: Rain
Post by: PrincessLeia on April 06, 2007, 04:19:58 PM
i completely disagree... I think sometimes it's just obvious when it's about to rain... and I can imagine it's more obvious in a tropical climate...

I think the rain was to show Kate's determination to go back and help Jack. It also created a conflict between Juliet and Kate... follow the trail or wait til after the storm.



I guess we have to agree to disagree, then.  I think it's painfully obvious that the writers are trying to make a point concerning control of the weather or a psychic tie to the Island.  The best part is:

WE SHALL SEE!

deal! agree to disagree!

I wont debate whether or not there are experiements, but I just think that sometimes you can just tell when it rains... not cycles or ties to an island...

either way, I hope I am wrong so there is more to the story..
Um....you are.  There is more to this story. ;D  [/jk-but you know I have to press it.  I'm a woman.  ::) lol]

I agree with casino, but I also agree with you in that sometimes you can just tell when it's going to rain.  I can usually tell where I live. :)
Title: Re: Rain
Post by: matahari on April 06, 2007, 05:36:37 PM
Maybe smokie is an electrical entity that requires moisture in the air to operate. That could be why he tends to come out and play when it rains. Moisture could be the current that is needed for its locomotion. Have we ever heard thunder before on the Island?
Title: Re: Rain
Post by: PrincessLeia on April 06, 2007, 06:16:55 PM
Maybe smokie is an electrical entity that requires moisture in the air to operate. That could be why he tends to come out and play when it rains. Moisture could be the current that is needed for its locomotion. Have we ever heard thunder before on the Island?
This is really making me think. :-\
Title: Re: Rain
Post by: Chefpyro on April 06, 2007, 06:42:30 PM
Smokey appears to be an entity that can split into many parts and rejoin with fluid movement. It never seems to be flying around just doing nothing, it always has a purpose or a mission. With that thinking i figure it has to be controlled by someone else. It picked up Eko and slammed him, and it grabbed Locke to drag him into a hole. Definately manipulated by someone.
<------Pyro[move]
Title: Re: Rain
Post by: Nancy Drew on April 06, 2007, 07:07:09 PM
Maybe smokie is an electrical entity that requires moisture in the air to operate. That could be why he tends to come out and play when it rains. Moisture could be the current that is needed for its locomotion. Have we ever heard thunder before on the Island?
This is really making me think. :-\

Me, too.  Very interesting.
Title: Re: Rain
Post by: ChellyKins on April 06, 2007, 08:56:13 PM
it rains when Smokey is coming
<------Pyro[move]

Locke was hunting for boar and seen trees moving/shaking then the clickityclickclick of the smokie and it was a beautiful day out. That is when he seen into the eye of the island or whatever he says. Eko was shaken like a rattle and pounded to the ground in a shadowy area because of the trees, but with no rain.
I'm sure there are other times, but I agree there seems to be rain or the quick start of rain when smokie is around... just not ALL the time.

Title: Re: Rain
Post by: Nancy Drew on April 07, 2007, 12:23:35 AM
I totally had a revelation in the Tsunami thread, so I have to post it here too.  It fits in with the discussion about the rain.

Or maybe, if they are caught in between a time and/or space, they need to control the weather because the natural weather doesn't affect them.  That's why they know its gonna rain!  They have it on a timer like a sprinkler system to keep the island vegetation flourishing!

(Puff, Ashley, PL, TISCS, and I were discussing how real life weather may or may not affect the island if it is between a time or space.)
Title: Re: Rain
Post by: PrincessLeia on April 07, 2007, 02:46:21 PM
Now I have to quote my response in that thread over here!  lol

I see what you're saying, but I think we've still seen normal weather patterns on the island, too.  Remember Artz telling the raft crew in Season 1 about the right time to launch?  I believe that there are observable natural weather patters on the island, as well as those engineered by the meteorological experimentation by Dharma.
Title: Re: Rain
Post by: this is some crazy stuff on April 07, 2007, 02:57:46 PM
I think it only rains for dramatic effect.  you are all thinking to much into it.
Title: Re: Rain
Post by: PrincessLeia on April 07, 2007, 03:01:28 PM
I think it only rains for dramatic effect.  you are all thinking to much into it.
Oh.  That, too. :)
Title: Re: Rain
Post by: gjohnson on April 07, 2007, 04:04:25 PM
The clap of thunder may have been a hint as well.
Title: Re: Rain
Post by: Nancy Drew on April 07, 2007, 04:29:55 PM
Now I have to quote my response in that thread over here!  lol

I see what you're saying, but I think we've still seen normal weather patterns on the island, too.  Remember Artz telling the raft crew in Season 1 about the right time to launch?  I believe that there are observable natural weather patters on the island, as well as those engineered by the meteorological experimentation by Dharma.

Artz warned them of it, but it never ended up happening.  The weather stayed the same as before.  And they've been there 3 months without a major weather shift.
Title: Re: Rain
Post by: DirtyMaggieMae on April 07, 2007, 04:50:17 PM
I think Artz's point was that the wind would be changing direction, thus the chance of rescue would be diminished if they hoped to find a ship.  I don't think he was predicting any weather changes, just the changes of the traffic of boats.
Title: Re: Rain
Post by: PrincessLeia on April 07, 2007, 04:55:14 PM
I think Artz's point was that the wind would be changing direction, thus the chance of rescue would be diminished if they hoped to find a ship.  I don't think he was predicting any weather changes, just the changes of the traffic of boats.
Wind is weather.  :)
Title: Re: Rain
Post by: Nancy Drew on April 07, 2007, 05:12:10 PM
I think Artz's point was that the wind would be changing direction, thus the chance of rescue would be diminished if they hoped to find a ship.  I don't think he was predicting any weather changes, just the changes of the traffic of boats.

That's right, but didn't he also say something about monsoon season?
Title: Re: Rain
Post by: DirtyMaggieMae on April 07, 2007, 05:12:59 PM
Lol of course it is!   Sorry, should have said nasty weather.  I was invisioning floods and nonstop rains and hurricanes or whatever.   But yeah.  Wind is weather.  I'll write that one down.
Title: Re: Rain
Post by: PrincessLeia on April 07, 2007, 05:15:06 PM
Lol of course it is!   Sorry, should have said nasty weather.  I was invisioning floods and nonstop rains and hurricanes or whatever.   But yeah.  Wind is weather.  I'll write that one down.
Ok...I gotcha now.  lol  Yes- we have not seen the drastic changes that he led us to believe were coming.  It has stayed pretty temperate.
Title: Re: Rain
Post by: Nancy Drew on April 07, 2007, 05:42:01 PM
Which seems a little odd, doesn't it?  Aren't islands in the pacific supposed to have storms and tidal waves and all that stuff?
Title: Re: Rain
Post by: Psych0666 on April 08, 2007, 12:53:18 AM
I couldn't really be bothered reading the whole thread again so if I've repeated something I apologise.

OK, here's what I think regarding the rain, Locke knew it was going to rain because the Island told him it was gonna rain, Juliette knew it was gonna rain cos she read the manual... so to speak. :D
Title: Re: Rain
Post by: airdudei on April 08, 2007, 01:22:21 AM
I thought the rain was an excuse to show two beautiful women with wet shirts handcuffed together lol...

That's what I thought, or wasn't thinking ... Actually yeah, I wasn't thinking, just admiring the mud fight.
Title: Re: Rain
Post by: airdudei on April 08, 2007, 01:23:26 AM
Yeah come on Juliet is freakin' crazy. Did you see how she flipped Kate when she was bringing her some food. She's a bad ass
Title: Re: Rain
Post by: lost_soul12 on April 08, 2007, 05:10:23 AM
i agree juliet is somthing else i think we will see that in her flash back that she will have soon ......
Title: Re: Rain
Post by: ChellyKins on April 08, 2007, 08:12:53 AM
I couldn't really be bothered reading the whole thread again so if I've repeated something I apologise.

OK, here's what I think regarding the rain, Locke knew it was going to rain because the Island told him it was gonna rain, Juliette knew it was gonna rain cos she read the manual... so to speak. :D
:D Good one. I figure who gives a hoot? The boys got to watch two hot women from the show roll around fighting in the rain and us girlies got to see..well, two women rolling around in the rain fighting LOL
Title: Re: Rain
Post by: Psych0666 on April 08, 2007, 06:04:19 PM
I couldn't really be bothered reading the whole thread again so if I've repeated something I apologise.

OK, here's what I think regarding the rain, Locke knew it was going to rain because the Island told him it was gonna rain, Juliette knew it was gonna rain cos she read the manual... so to speak. :D
:D Good one. I figure who gives a hoot? The boys got to watch two hot women from the show roll around fighting in the rain and us girlies got to see..well, two women rolling around in the rain fighting LOL

aint that the truth
Title: Re: Rain
Post by: ChellyKins on April 08, 2007, 08:46:09 PM
I couldn't really be bothered reading the whole thread again so if I've repeated something I apologise.

OK, here's what I think regarding the rain, Locke knew it was going to rain because the Island told him it was gonna rain, Juliette knew it was gonna rain cos she read the manual... so to speak. :D
:D Good one. I figure who gives a hoot? The boys got to watch two hot women from the show roll around fighting in the rain and us girlies got to see..well, two women rolling around in the rain fighting LOL

aint that the truth

Case solved.  :D
Title: Re: Rain
Post by: PrincessLeia on April 08, 2007, 09:08:49 PM
I couldn't really be bothered reading the whole thread again so if I've repeated something I apologise.

OK, here's what I think regarding the rain, Locke knew it was going to rain because the Island told him it was gonna rain, Juliette knew it was gonna rain cos she read the manual... so to speak. :D
:D Good one. I figure who gives a hoot? The boys got to watch two hot women from the show roll around fighting in the rain and us girlies got to see..well, two women rolling around in the rain fighting LOL

aint that the truth

Case solved.  :D
Thread lock, anyone? :D  [/jk]
Title: Re: Rain
Post by: ChellyKins on April 08, 2007, 09:17:08 PM
Not a bad idea ;)
Title: Re: Rain
Post by: puff6962 on April 08, 2007, 10:17:38 PM
Rain brings up the notion that the entire island may be a controlled environment.  Basically, it's acting according to a script.  This may be why DHARMA chose it.  If Locke is able to tap into this script, he knows what's up.  Juliet, on the other hand, has been around long enough to see the patterns.  Cheating so to speak.

If the environment is controlled, who or what controls it?

Smokey was an abberation in this little game.

The entire island became an intelligence and internalized the psychological studies undertaken by DHARMA.
Title: Re: Rain
Post by: JMart on April 09, 2007, 01:04:09 AM
dunno if its been said, but locke said that once "it's going to rain" and a second later it rained......HOLLA










ps. I'M BACKKKKKK AND HAPPY BELATED EASTER EVERYONEEEE
Title: Re: Rain
Post by: matahari on April 09, 2007, 01:13:39 AM
Liking the controlled environment aspect. Could someone (i.e. the others) have control of more of the physical attributes of the Island than we know. Are they pulling puppet strings? I heard the giant hamster tunnel idea rote it off but its a great analogy so I'm borrowing and  adapting that. i think the pwtb are playing with mice in a maze. They are in a large course and the others guide/manipulate them by opening or closing passages. or feeding or flooding or whatever. Having power over the weather or terrain(?) would give someone a distinct advantage. But who controls it and for what greater purpose? Knowing who controls smoky would reveal so much about its nature.
p.s. Have we ever heard thunder before?

When Locke says that its gonna rain" Boone notices that it's odd and asks him if he "learned that at the box company."