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Title: Tom warning Jack
Post by: gakhandal on March 22, 2007, 01:39:41 AM
When jack went to see Kate at Tom's place, Tom warns Jack "to be care full in their" pointing to his ear. probably indicating that the place is bugged.

Could Tom be one of the Others that's in Juliette group that wants to overpower Ben? Maybe part of one of the factions of the Others?

Why did he warn Jack? Its a bit suspicious.
Title: Re: Tom warning Jack
Post by: Ladybug on March 22, 2007, 01:47:37 AM
i thought he was waving his finger in a circle like the crazy sign.  sort of like, "be careful in there, she's loco"
Title: Re: Tom warning Jack
Post by: this is some crazy stuff on March 22, 2007, 01:50:28 AM
I think he was saying that the place is wired.  Jack knows more than we do and he was telling him not to tell Kate because they can here everything he says.
Title: Re: Tom warning Jack
Post by: Cardacct on March 22, 2007, 01:51:47 AM
I was actually wondering the same thing, gakhandal!

Do you think Tom was also getting off the island?  Do you think that they were sort of in on it together?
Title: Re: Tom warning Jack
Post by: gakhandal on March 22, 2007, 01:58:06 AM
It could of meant to, Ladybug    lol.
I mis-described, he tapped his right temple then he waved his finger up and around. I dunno, we'll have to wait...? Then again, I over see stuff too frequently, its probably nothing.
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Do you think Tom was also getting off the island?  Do you think that they were sort of in on it together?
Maybe before Jack and Juliette where scheduled to get to the submarine, Tom and the rest of the faction was gonna stage a coup? that is if their really is a faction and Tom's in it.

These are all theories on just one hand movement, so nothing is certain :P
Title: Re: Tom warning Jack
Post by: Cardacct on March 22, 2007, 02:06:29 AM
Tom was with them when they went down to the sub, wasn't he?  With such a crew to see them down to the sub, do you think that only THEY were leaving?  I mean, it wasn't exactly a party for the send off, but otherwise why would there be so many of them?
Title: Re: Tom warning Jack
Post by: lostatsea on March 22, 2007, 02:14:31 AM
I was looking for a place to post this same question. Why was Tom warning Jack?

Also who was going to pilot the sub? Just Jack and Juliet? Or was Tom going as well?

and besides the military who gets underway at 4am?

without the ping working how was the sub going to find how to get out of there?
Title: Re: Tom warning Jack
Post by: Cardacct on March 22, 2007, 02:17:30 AM
Great question.

And why is the sub the only transportation left off of the island?  Is there something about being underwater that helps?
Title: Re: Tom warning Jack
Post by: gakhandal on March 22, 2007, 02:18:05 AM
Tom was with them when they went down to the sub, wasn't he?  With such a crew to see them down to the sub, do you think that only THEY were leaving?  I mean, it wasn't exactly a party for the send off, but otherwise why would there be so many of them?

It may takes a crew to get the sub fully working, they probably are trained to do so. Something Ben wanted to know what exactly was Locke's intentions with the Sub, Ben stated/taunted that Locke wouldn't know how to run it.

But yes, it could mean they to were about to leave, or stage a plan to take control of the sub and leave.
Title: Re: Tom warning Jack
Post by: dcnole on March 22, 2007, 02:21:29 AM
My immediate reaction was simply that Tom's warning served as a really convenient way to prevent Jack from telling Kate (and by extension, us the viewer) what the hell is going on. 

It's possible there was some deeper meaning related to the inner dynamics of the Others, but I'm not so sure.
Title: Re: Tom warning Jack
Post by: gakhandal on March 22, 2007, 02:23:21 AM
Great question.

And why is the sub the only transportation left off of the island?  Is there something about being underwater that helps?
Theirs the big boat that the Others used to get to and from Alcatraz.
Desmond's ship never got anywhere, but what of Micheal and Walt then. could of they gone somewhere?
Title: Re: Tom warning Jack
Post by: DaddyBeast on March 22, 2007, 02:29:43 AM
What it means is someone else is watching, not only watching Jack, but watching all of the Others.
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Note that Ben can't tell a lie or show weakness or else he gets in trouble.  Is Jacob watching?  Does Jacob have stormtroopers?
Title: Re: Tom warning Jack
Post by: uofapiglet on March 22, 2007, 04:10:58 AM
I thought this scene was pretty odd too. I didn't know if Tom was doing the "she's loco" sign, if he was pointing to his head, refering to being monitored/wired, or if he was putting a gun to his head. Tom's just a weird guy.

And the whole dialogue between Jack and Kate was extremely unsual. Like Kate was trying to be affectionate and Jack was seemingly indifferent bringing up Sawyer. And what was up with Jack saying, "you told me to" - did he really think that he was doing the right thing and that he would be able to leave the island and come back to save everyone?

I'm gonna have to rewatch the whole episode... it was a good one... and at least Jack didn't cry... Locke did...
Title: Re: Tom warning Jack
Post by: Blitz Wing on March 22, 2007, 05:47:30 AM
What I noticed is Tom seems to be getting a little friendly with Jack all of a sudden......bringing jack cheese sandwiches, telling him little tid-bits of info, and now playing football with Jack. Odd....
Title: Re: Tom warning Jack
Post by: goober on March 22, 2007, 12:03:42 PM
I was on two submarines during my Navy time. We navigated in the dark all the time. Two ways to do it (underwater):

1) Sonar - sound waves bouncing off of the sea floor in front of you give you an indication of the depth of the water you are going into. Gives you a sort of underwater map so that you don't run aground.

2) Dead Reckoning - If you have been using a specific navigational route for some time, you know where all of the hazards are. So you stay on a course for a certain distance, then turn X number of degrees to new heading XXX an travel for X distance, then turn X number of degrees on new heading XXX, etc.

On the surface, you use both Sonar and Radar. The sonar tells you the water depth so that you don't run aground, the Radar tells you what structures/vessels are above water.
Title: Re: Tom warning Jack
Post by: nothingbutsky on March 22, 2007, 12:26:34 PM
When jack went to see Kate at Tom's place, Tom warns Jack "to be care full in their" pointing to his ear. probably indicating that the place is bugged.

Sorry, but this is a pet peeve of mine...

There, not their...or they're.  :P

Is it really that hard? I see this mistake everywhere!
Title: Re: Tom warning Jack
Post by: scrod on March 22, 2007, 12:29:09 PM
I was on two submarines during my Navy time. We navigated in the dark all the time. Two ways to do it (underwater):

1) Sonar - sound waves bouncing off of the sea floor in front of you give you an indication of the depth of the water you are going into. Gives you a sort of underwater map so that you don't run aground.

2) Dead Reckoning - If you have been using a specific navigational route for some time, you know where all of the hazards are. So you stay on a course for a certain distance, then turn X number of degrees to new heading XXX an travel for X distance, then turn X number of degrees on new heading XXX, etc.

On the surface, you use both Sonar and Radar. The sonar tells you the water depth so that you don't run aground, the Radar tells you what structures/vessels are above water.
You were in subs?  Dammit, now I have to respect you...

Would it be true then that sonar would not be subject to large electromagnetic interference, unlike compass, or even satellite signals?
Title: Re: Tom warning Jack
Post by: jules778 on March 22, 2007, 02:54:34 PM
When jack went to see Kate at Tom's place, Tom warns Jack "to be care full in their" pointing to his ear. probably indicating that the place is bugged.

Sorry, but this is a pet peeve of mine...

There, not their...or they're.  :P

Is it really that hard? I see this mistake everywhere!

lol-  me too!
Title: Re: Tom warning Jack
Post by: jugdish on March 22, 2007, 03:04:26 PM
Tom was telling Jack that the room was bugged, don't get your self in trouble now. They have bonded over the time.

Plus Jack is Tom's type
Title: Re: Tom warning Jack
Post by: Geronimo Jackson on March 22, 2007, 03:15:19 PM
Tom was telling Jack that the room was bugged, don't get your self in trouble now. They have bonded over the time.

Plus Jack is Tom's type

Exactly i posted a long time agoTom wasn't all he appeared tobe,may not actually care for all the others are doing.
Title: Re: Tom warning Jack
Post by: uofapiglet on March 22, 2007, 03:27:27 PM
Tom was telling Jack that the room was bugged, don't get your self in trouble now. They have bonded over the time.

Plus Jack is Tom's type

Lol! You crazk me up!

Anyway, thanks for such a cool explanation on the sub Goober - you rock! :)
Title: Re: Tom warning Jack
Post by: Kurtis on March 22, 2007, 03:27:53 PM
I don't think Tom likes being a lackey. Also, when he asked Jack "what kind of people do you think we are" in the last epsiode, his reaction to Jack's response kind of said "oh yeah, we do kind of suck".  Maybe he's one of the Others that Ben was referencing to Locke, that need encouragement or to be reminded that they should stay on the Island of Mystery. Some of the cult members are having second thoughts about why they are there, probably as they see the body count rising around them!
Title: Re: Tom warning Jack
Post by: Creflo on March 22, 2007, 03:35:48 PM
Some points:

- Tom ratted out Juliet's plans for a coup after Jack blurted this info during the operation (iirc).  While he may be friendly with Jack (even...Mr Friendly?), I don't think he should be considered a conspirator based on his hand signal.  Maybe he's just indicating "don't say what you're not supposed to say...We're listening."

- Tom was aboard the boat (a tug?) which captured the raft.  He can probably navigate the High Seas and that's why he's accompanying the sub party.

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Plus Jack is Tom's type

Man...that is just friggin hilarious!

Title: Re: Tom warning Jack
Post by: gakhandal on March 22, 2007, 04:38:52 PM
Sorry, but this is a pet peeve of mine...
There, not their...or they're.  :P
Is it really that hard? I see this mistake everywhere!

I to have a tidbit of my own. It involves people going off topic, not contributing to the conversation, just to point out 'common' grammatical mistakes.

I hope my previous posts don't affect your OCD.  ;D
I know it does for me... So i guess we're even
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Tom was telling Jack that the room was bugged, don't get your self in trouble now.
Very possible, and its beginning to sound like I made a grave error in judgment.

I like to add that...  Wasn't Tom the one to shot Sawyer when they were on the raft? I'm not sure, but it was someone in that small group to shoot him. So if it was him, he's no as friendly as I recently thought, maybe?

I dunno, its all crazy, hope the next O.L. Podcast someone asks this question and we get a good answer.
They have bonded over the time.
Brokeback Island ???

Plus Jack is Tom's type.
That, I bet he is.
Title: Re: Tom warning Jack
Post by: Point Place WI on March 22, 2007, 05:48:45 PM
I thought this scene was pretty odd too. I didn't know if Tom was doing the "she's loco" sign, if he was pointing to his head, refering to being monitored/wired, or if he was putting a gun to his head. Tom's just a weird guy.

And the whole dialogue between Jack and Kate was extremely unsual. Like Kate was trying to be affectionate and Jack was seemingly indifferent bringing up Sawyer. And what was up with Jack saying, "you told me to" - did he really think that he was doing the right thing and that he would be able to leave the island and come back to save everyone?

I'm gonna have to rewatch the whole episode... it was a good one... and at least Jack didn't cry... Locke did...

Jack was acting wierd cause "Kate Chose Sawyer over him"  If that girl spread her legs for Sawyer then she is used goods on this island.  It was the reason why when Kate says: "And you trust them?" Jack replies: "You told me too!"  The time when Ben needed Jack to do surgery and Kate came in his holding cell pleading to do the surgery or they would kill Sawyer.  Then Jack saw them later doing it on "Too Hot for TV" hidden camera show.  So, I would be like WTF are you doing here too.  I spared your and Sawyers life and I'm getting off this craphole.  So, I thought until John screwed it up.  Plus I didn't see any Dharma condoms...
Title: Re: Tom warning Jack
Post by: deadpolarbear on March 22, 2007, 07:00:02 PM
Ive been thinking that the last few weeks too.. Tom aint that bad... probably in the same boat as Juliette, been recruited and now just doing what he is told so that he eventually gets a chance to go home.
Title: Re: Tom warning Jack
Post by: matahari on March 23, 2007, 01:40:14 AM
is Tom warning Jack that the're being listened to?, or is friendly warning jack that the others are monitoring his thoughts so jack should be mentally bluff them??? and yes why is Tom tipping off Jack?
Title: Re: Tom warning Jack
Post by: dweebs on March 24, 2007, 01:50:25 PM
When jack went to see Kate at Tom's place, Tom warns Jack "to be care full in their" pointing to his ear. probably indicating that the place is bugged.

Sorry, but this is a pet peeve of mine...

There, not their...or they're.  :P

Is it really that hard? I see this mistake everywhere!

I know, it drives my poor neurotic mind crazy...
Title: Re: Tom warning Jack
Post by: Wishbone on March 24, 2007, 05:14:58 PM
I think Tom is just not as bad as some of the others. I thought he was just reminding Jack that he was being listened to. I also thought Jack was cold towards Kate, although he did seem to melt a bit when she held his hand.
Title: Re: Tom warning Jack
Post by: mindsparkle on March 24, 2007, 10:54:06 PM
I think Tom is basically a good guy and does his job, he can judge a situation and realize that no harm can come of it... he was letting Kate and Jack have a moment just telling them to keep it quiet the place is bugged or to be careful of what they say... just like the time he offered some salve for Kate's wrists when she struggled in the handcuffs... if we knew him better we'd say he is a good man and a loyal worker and comrade to Ben.
Title: Re: Tom warning Jack
Post by: scrod on March 24, 2007, 11:23:47 PM
Does anyone else find it odd that all the other guys who handle guns seem to have some military/police background, except for Tom? Plus his physical conditioning is unique - everyone else seems to be in pretty good shape, don't they?

Dunno. just thinking out loud.
Title: Re: Tom warning Jack
Post by: Sunflower on March 25, 2007, 12:03:20 AM
I vote for a Tom Flashback next season!!

PPW, totally agree with you back there.

Rod, Ben isn't exactly a fitness trainer and has no military/police training.  Maybe Tom was born there also??
Title: Re: Tom warning Jack
Post by: scrod on March 25, 2007, 12:14:50 AM
Ben is in a different class, I was meaning the security team folks we have seen.
Comparing Tom to Pickett and his guys, or the guys who took Sayid and Kate down.  They all look like they have weapons and other training.  Tom just likes to dress up and pretend he is bearded raggedy guy.
Title: Re: Tom warning Jack
Post by: DirtyMaggieMae on March 25, 2007, 12:51:11 AM
I see Tom as more the negotiator arm of law enforcement and less the brute with a gun type of guy.
Title: Re: Tom warning Jack
Post by: Nancy Drew on March 25, 2007, 12:54:43 AM
I see him as the guy who designs the police uniforms. ;D
Title: Re: Tom warning Jack
Post by: this is some crazy stuff on March 25, 2007, 01:02:31 AM
I think Tom is more like Bens right hand man
Title: Re: Tom warning Jack
Post by: mindsparkle on March 25, 2007, 01:48:28 AM
I think Tom was around when Dharma was there, he knew about the bears in the cage that Sawyer was in, teasing Sawyer that it only took the bears two hours...
Title: Re: Tom warning Jack
Post by: puff6962 on March 27, 2007, 12:31:18 PM
Tom and Ben are lovers.
Title: Re: Tom warning Jack
Post by: cbw420 on March 27, 2007, 06:57:32 PM
Tom was telling Jack that the room was bugged, don't get your self in trouble now. They have bonded over the time.

Plus Jack is Tom's type

i'm nominating you for the "one person who makes sense around here" award

:)
Title: Re: Tom warning Jack
Post by: Rita1 on April 05, 2007, 09:09:43 PM
I thought the same thing - he was warning them the place was bugged.  I think he is on Juliette's side.  Maybe he'll come back to try and help her!