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Title: Is that really Locke's dad we saw? (sort of a wacky theory)
Post by: dcnole on March 22, 2007, 12:38:49 AM
Stick with me here.  We've seen Kate see the dead agent walking around.  We've seen Jack see Jack's dad. We've seen Rose see Bernard when Bernard was nowhere near the front section beach.  We saw Eko see Yemi.  All of these things are questionable, none have been seen by anyone else.  You may or may not be able to add Shannon seeing Walt to that list.  In any event, the Eko episode gave us some reason to believe that the image he saw of Yemi was actually the Black Smoke Monster in another form.  Now John is seeing his father.  But you'll notice that Ben and the recruiter guy didn't interact with Locke's father. They simply opened the door and allowed Locke to walk in and see what he saw.  Is it possible that it's actually the Smoke Monster? And that every time we've seen someone wandering around who shouldnt have been on the island, it was actually the same smoke monster merely taking different forms? Or even simply reflecting what the person gazing upon it wanted to see?

It is certainly possible that the Others simply sent someone to go get Locke's dad and bring him back to the island for the purposes of using his presence to con Locke in one way or another.  But I'm wondering if something more mystical is at play.
Title: Re: Is that really Locke's dad we saw? (sort of a wacky theory)
Post by: this is some crazy stuff on March 22, 2007, 12:46:06 AM
Lockes dad was actually there, and everyone else we see are images that the smoke monster turn into, but thats a whole other story
Title: Re: Is that really Locke's dad we saw? (sort of a wacky theory)
Post by: Maxor127 on March 22, 2007, 12:54:20 AM
I find it hard to speculate on anything anymore.  It still isn't definite that the smoke monster was all of those other images, or just some or just Yemi or even none.  I'm assuming that's really his dad since Ben told Tom to get him and Ben anticipated Locke's reaction and involvement in seeing his dad there.  Ben knew it was something he had to show Locke.  Or you could argue Ben really didn't see the dad there but could calculate that Locke would see him there and that it's some sort of mystery of the island that you see what you want to see.  Or maybe it is the smoke monster.  I suspect it's not really the dad and it's just a manifestation of the island and it will tie into explaining why everyone else has been seeing things from their past.
Title: Re: Is that really Locke's dad we saw? (sort of a wacky theory)
Post by: this is some crazy stuff on March 22, 2007, 12:56:39 AM
this is one i have to highly disagree on,  When he said get the man from Talahassee that is exactly what he meant go get him and tie him up and make it look like he has been captured there.
Title: Re: Is that really Locke's dad we saw? (sort of a wacky theory)
Post by: lostatsea on March 22, 2007, 01:04:38 AM
Also, how did John know his father was in the flower shop? That one flower shop in the whole town?
Title: Re: Is that really Locke's dad we saw? (sort of a wacky theory)
Post by: Cardacct on March 22, 2007, 02:00:44 AM
I don't think it was really Locke's dad.  I have no other explanation, but that is my initial hope impression.
Title: Re: Is that really Locke's dad we saw? (sort of a wacky theory)
Post by: DaddyBeast on March 22, 2007, 02:39:09 AM
Do you want to see what came out of the box?  Not who, but what.
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Ben started setting this up while Locke and Alex were in the closet.  He's planning something for Locke.  Season 2: "I came here for you John."
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Ben really does need Locke, and can use daddy to get what he wants.  Daddy may have been on the island for a long time.  Ben couldn't say "Locke's dad" or "Sawyer", so he says "The Man From Tallahassee".
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No doubt that Locke's dad turns out to be Sawyer.  Just how do they make him young enough for the flashback (maybe there is no flashback)?
Title: Re: Is that really Locke's dad we saw? (sort of a wacky theory)
Post by: Maxor127 on March 22, 2007, 03:27:46 AM
They don't need to show him young in a flashback.  All they need is to show someone referring to him as Sawyer or seeing him use the name Sawyer.  Or maybe the new Sawyer will recognize the original.
Title: Re: Is that really Locke's dad we saw? (sort of a wacky theory)
Post by: lost_soul12 on March 22, 2007, 03:29:29 AM
man oh man!!!! i have to wait for the next episode or whenever they go back to showing lockes dad because it could be just an image of what lockes wants to see thats why before ben opens the door he said to locke something about his dad so he can picture him and then they opend the door or it really could be lockes dad or ben well just explain to locke that u could get anything from the island man im just amazed by this episode
Title: Re: Is that really Locke's dad we saw? (sort of a wacky theory)
Post by: JMart on March 22, 2007, 03:38:54 AM
plus it took a second or so before he had that "wtf" expression.. maybe he formed right in front of him within that room..
Title: Re: Is that really Locke's dad we saw? (sort of a wacky theory)
Post by: lost_soul12 on March 22, 2007, 03:43:58 AM
that is so true i agree it did form right in front of him because if he was already there when he opened the door he would have been like omg in an instint but it took him awhile to react
Title: Re: Is that really Locke's dad we saw? (sort of a wacky theory)
Post by: WhatThe on March 22, 2007, 08:09:16 AM
I can't remember, but:
- When did Kate see the dead agent walking around?
- When did Rose see Bernard walking around?

Also, Ben and Richard didn't have time to interact or not interact with Locke's father. As well as, if Locke's father is just an instantly formed vision, why is he appearing as if tied up, gagged, apparently beaten...and scared out of his freakin' mind? lol...every other "apparition" appeared perfectly healthy, normal, calm, and capable of movement and walking around. Locke's father, however, would be the only "vision" that appears restrained and fearful.
Title: Re: Is that really Locke's dad we saw? (sort of a wacky theory)
Post by: eelpie62 on March 22, 2007, 09:38:09 AM
They don't need to show him young in a flashback.  All they need is to show someone referring to him as Sawyer or seeing him use the name Sawyer.  Or maybe the new Sawyer will recognize the original.

They could just "Forrest Gump" in some footage of him as Fireman DeSoto.
Title: Re: Is that really Locke's dad we saw? (sort of a wacky theory)
Post by: LostGirlDeb on March 22, 2007, 10:35:25 AM
Interesting idea but I'm not going to make my decision on this yet
It was interesting that Ben said "lets go look at what the Box had in it this time" (or something like that)
But I agree if he is just smokey then why is he all tied up?
Title: Re: Is that really Locke's dad we saw? (sort of a wacky theory)
Post by: LostbutFound on March 22, 2007, 11:07:07 AM
Whenever I hear all of these theories about the smoke monster taking the shape of whatever the person is thinking, it reminds me of the boggart from the Harry Potter books.  I don't know, just a thought.

http://harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/Boggart
Title: Re: Is that really Locke's dad we saw? (sort of a wacky theory)
Post by: surfmadpig on March 22, 2007, 05:05:27 PM
Whenever I hear all of these theories about the smoke monster taking the shape of whatever the person is thinking, it reminds me of the boggart from the Harry Potter books.  I don't know, just a thought.

http://harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/Boggart

that's funny, i'm watching harry potter 3 on the telly right now - the scene with the Boggart just ended, and I was thinking about something similar to what you say..
Title: Re: Is that really Locke's dad we saw? (sort of a wacky theory)
Post by: deadpolarbear on March 22, 2007, 07:02:47 PM
OT
? Kate never saw the agent... ? Rose never saw Bernard...
are you just making assumptions here...
Title: Re: Is that really Locke's dad we saw? (sort of a wacky theory)
Post by: lost_soul12 on March 23, 2007, 08:51:48 PM
kate only saw the black horse the same one that was in her flashbacks...rose never saw anything ...jack saw his dad the same day they crashed... hurly saw his phyco cool friend that jump off the cliff... ecko saw yemi...shannon saw walt.... and that all i could remember i think it has to be his real dad because then ben would have to start telling him how the heck he got there wich would give up one of the islands secrets... or maybe he will just explain that this is the kind of power that the island has
Title: Re: Is that really Locke's dad we saw? (sort of a wacky theory)
Post by: DirtyMaggieMae on March 23, 2007, 10:37:39 PM
My understanding of the smoke, if it is 'cerberus' than it seems to have malfunctioned?  I would assume that the Others are wary of in, in that case and would not invite it in through the front door just to play an  prank on Locke.
Title: Re: Is that really Locke's dad we saw? (sort of a wacky theory)
Post by: Nancy Drew on March 23, 2007, 11:04:48 PM
I think it is definately Locke's dad that we saw in that room.  How they got him??  Well I am sure we will see that right after they let us know he is the real Sawyer.  Then they will let Locke and Sawyer fight to the death to see who gets to kill him.  It will start a chain reaction that will end the show in six, maybe seven years from now. ;D ;D ;D

J/K  But I do believe it is really him.
Title: Re: Is that really Locke's dad we saw? (sort of a wacky theory)
Post by: puff6962 on March 24, 2007, 12:02:31 AM
If you look at the scene of Locke looking in the room, you will notice that Locke looks in the direction of his father for a moment and then his expression changes.  It's as if the apparition develops and then Locke identifies his father.
Title: Re: Is that really Locke's dad we saw? (sort of a wacky theory)
Post by: DirtyMaggieMae on March 24, 2007, 12:09:31 AM
He looks around the room first, to the right and left, and above him.  After a few glances he looks straight ahead at dad.  I agree there is a lapse in his reaction time, but it is pretty unbelievable to have your missing father pop up on an island bound to a chair, so it could take a few moments for him to register the situation.  I'm sure hundreds of thoughts where running through his head, and emotions to.  "Am I happy about this reunion?  Scared?  Angry?"  pick an expression
Title: Re: Is that really Locke's dad we saw? (sort of a wacky theory)
Post by: Maxor127 on March 25, 2007, 08:04:22 AM
I'm thinking maybe it's the smoke monster too.  If Kate's horse was the smoke monster, then it's been proven that other people can see its manifestations and that it isn't just imagined or only seen by certain people.  Maybe the Others have just found a way to control it or they've always been controlling it, or they've found a way to create something similar that works like the smoke monster but is maybe less sophisticated or something since the smoke monster seems sentient so far.
Title: Re: Is that really Locke's dad we saw? (sort of a wacky theory)
Post by: DirtyMaggieMae on March 25, 2007, 11:38:35 AM
I have a hard time believing that the others control smokie. Mostly because, when Jack sees Christian, he leads him right to the edge of a cliff. If the others were controlling it, why would they want to kill Jack?  Ben knew about his tumor before the crash and would want Jack alive.
Title: Re: Is that really Locke's dad we saw? (sort of a wacky theory)
Post by: Nancy Drew on March 25, 2007, 04:00:57 PM
I agree.  Smokie seems like it would be unstable.  Why would the others put a vicious thing right in the middle of their living area?  I think it is really Locke's dad.  I bet he conned the "wrong" person and was sent there.  That may have been the last trip the submarine made to the island.