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Title: Juliet's Mark
Post by: jules778 on February 22, 2007, 12:16:15 AM
How is Juliet's mark going to affect anything.  I don't see any of them going around in belly shirts.  Is someone really going to see it?  And more importantly... what does the mark mean for her.  Three strikes and you are Out?
Title: Re: Juliet's Mark
Post by: jugdish on February 22, 2007, 12:20:44 AM
Don't know, it didn't really look like anything either
Title: Re: Juliet's Mark
Post by: nothingbutsky on February 22, 2007, 12:20:52 AM
What was it exactly, the symbol? Like a star?

It was spoken of as a known punishment, is it done often and why do they do it?

And when you "mark" someone isn't the point of it to be visible so that everyone can see it? I would have liked it to have been on her cheek or forehead!

Oh, and what was the logo on the podium at the "trial"? The Hydra?
Title: Re: Juliet's Mark
Post by: madmax22e on February 22, 2007, 12:26:08 AM
looked like an asterik as in * only the top line was longer.

dont see why a marking would be bad. except if at the end times that seals her fate. kinda like jake being marked in phuket.
Title: Re: Juliet's Mark
Post by: Pandora on February 22, 2007, 12:29:42 AM
I'm wondering this myself, too.  Is the mark unique to Lost mythology, or is it a cultural reference?
Title: Re: Juliet's Mark
Post by: AmazonMonkey on February 22, 2007, 12:32:04 AM
What was it exactly, the symbol? Like a star?

It was spoken of as a known punishment, is it done often and why do they do it?

And when you "mark" someone isn't the point of it to be visible so that everyone can see it? I would have liked it to have been on her cheek or forehead!

Oh, and what was the logo on the podium at the "trial"? The Hydra?

Interesting... " The combination of the diagonal cross with a vertical line is of special importance in Western ideography. It is the sign for Jesus Christ (from the initials of the Lord's name in Greek: I and X). "
Title: Re: Juliet's Mark
Post by: jules778 on February 22, 2007, 12:33:59 AM
pandy can you put the two Juliet"s mark together
Title: Re: Juliet's Mark
Post by: Pandora on February 22, 2007, 12:35:03 AM
Just did, jules, before I saw your msg :)
Title: Re: Juliet's Mark
Post by: LouE68 on February 22, 2007, 12:52:26 AM
Did anyone get the feeling that being marked was worse than death? Like now she isnt even worthy of being an other....?
Title: Re: Juliet's Mark
Post by: HanginWithMrEko on February 22, 2007, 12:54:04 AM
dont certain religions forbid marking of the body? My theology is weak right now...
Title: Re: Juliet's Mark
Post by: madmax22e on February 22, 2007, 12:57:05 AM
maybe she is marked sort of like with moses where the mark of sheeps blood saved the children but the opposite effect happens here. maybe when dharma, ben, and the devil try to wipe out the earth those that are marked get killed. or maybe that means she was a bad girl and doesnt get hanso pension.  ;)
Title: Re: Juliet's Mark
Post by: jugdish on February 22, 2007, 01:02:11 AM
They did recoil, like the marking was a horrible thing to happen
Title: Re: Juliet's Mark
Post by: HanginWithMrEko on February 22, 2007, 01:02:21 AM
(http://www.cuttingedge.org/Imbolg_Symbol.gif)

is this what we saw? only upside down?
Title: Re: Juliet's Mark
Post by: this is some crazy stuff on February 22, 2007, 01:04:00 AM
the mark actually looked to me like what people draw to signify which star is the north start.



The Jesus stick says lift up your eyes and look north.   or something like that.
Title: Re: Juliet's Mark
Post by: sledgeweb on February 22, 2007, 01:04:31 AM
Not exactly, but close. I posted the mark on the main page.
Title: Re: Juliet's Mark
Post by: nothingbutsky on February 22, 2007, 01:05:51 AM
BTW - that dudes butt in Jacka$$ 2 looked much worse! :D
Title: Re: Juliet's Mark
Post by: nothingbutsky on February 22, 2007, 01:13:38 AM
After seeing the still on the main page, it looks satanic to me...yikes!
Title: Re: Juliet's Mark
Post by: AmazonMonkey on February 22, 2007, 01:15:01 AM
After seeing the still on the main page, it looks satanic to me...yikes!
http://www.symbols.com/encyclopedia/09/0914.html
Title: Re: Juliet's Mark
Post by: HanginWithMrEko on February 22, 2007, 01:15:08 AM
here is a web page on symbols

http://www.symbols.com/encyclopedia/09/0914.html

from what it says, the 6 pointed mark means earth/group/circle... a long line outside of that 6 point symbol means a deviation from the earth/group/circle...
Title: Re: Juliet's Mark
Post by: sledgeweb on February 22, 2007, 01:15:30 AM
It kind of looks like the Scientology Cross... heh, maybe The Others are rogue Scientologists trying to get in touch with the aliens... :)
Title: Re: Juliet's Mark
Post by: HanginWithMrEko on February 22, 2007, 01:15:46 AM
After seeing the still on the main page, it looks satanic to me...yikes!
http://www.symbols.com/encyclopedia/09/0914.html

you are seven seconds faster then me :)
Title: Re: Juliet's Mark
Post by: LouE68 on February 22, 2007, 01:17:30 AM
Ok I'll say it looks like an upside down cross...which we all know is the symbol for St. Peter, who refused to be crucified as Christ, because he did not feel worthy to hang as Christ did. A symbol of humility.

Any thoughts or connections anyone?

also the hexegon has 6 sides
Title: Re: Juliet's Mark
Post by: this is some crazy stuff on February 22, 2007, 01:20:05 AM
the mark actually looked to me like what people draw to signify which star is the north start.



The Jesus stick says lift up your eyes and look north.   or something like that.


Also kind of like the hatch map.
Title: Re: Juliet's Mark
Post by: LostGirlDeb on February 22, 2007, 01:27:55 AM
Maybe it's a mark to let the Aliens know not to come back for her  :P  
Title: Re: Juliet's Mark
Post by: LouE68 on February 22, 2007, 01:31:25 AM
Debs?!?!?! Are you supposed to be here? rofl
Title: Re: Juliet's Mark
Post by: LostGirlDeb on February 22, 2007, 01:34:10 AM
Debs?!?!?! Are you supposed to be here? rofl
Shhhhh!! you didn't see me....(I am not here) ;)
Title: Re: Juliet's Mark
Post by: LouE68 on February 22, 2007, 01:35:34 AM
Ok...lips are sealed  :-X
Title: Re: Juliet's Mark
Post by: idjpg85 on February 22, 2007, 01:52:16 AM
From Lostpedia:

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Juliet's Mark could be a reference to the Mark of Cain, from the story of Cain and Abel. Genesis 4:15 - "And the LORD set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him."
Title: Re: Juliet's Mark
Post by: uofapiglet on February 22, 2007, 01:54:09 AM
Ok I'll say it looks like an upside down cross...which we all know is the symbol for St. Peter, who refused to be crucified as Christ, because he did not feel worthy to hang as Christ did. A symbol of humility.

also the hexegon has 6 sides

Both of those thoughts actually crossed my mind when I first watched it... I actually thought of the asterisk with a long line too... LOL!

Anyway, I thought that the 6 lines might have had some similarity to the importance of the number 6 or the hexagon in the Dharma bagua symbols...

Lastly, I think that the most important things we get out of Juliet's mark is: 1) she's alive, the Others spared her life; 2) it showed us that the Others had a system by which they judged the killing of one other, so there is some sort of ruling or governing system; and 3) Juliet getting a mark paralleled Jack's tattoos as a basis for being an outcast-leader thus propelling their relationship and co-dependence...

That's all for now... :)
Title: Re: Juliet's Mark
Post by: LouE68 on February 22, 2007, 01:58:04 AM
Hey piglet did you get the feeling the "mark" is worse than death?
Title: Re: Juliet's Mark
Post by: msdoran on February 22, 2007, 01:58:39 AM
From Lostpedia:

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Juliet's Mark could be a reference to the Mark of Cain, from the story of Cain and Abel. Genesis 4:15 - "And the LORD set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him."

This is actually exactly what I was going to say. I studied Theology pretty extensively and that is the reason why traditionally christians never got tattoo's, and why during the early 20th century bikers were so feared. To mark your body was a grievous sin.

This has to be partly the reason why she was marked, and in my opinion the mark she received was definitely a brand, and that had to hurt! ouch!
Title: Re: Juliet's Mark
Post by: mindsparkle on February 22, 2007, 03:36:31 AM
I know I did, it's as if with the mark you will suffer the consequences of your act for the rest of your life... death may have been merciful depending on how she will be treated... maybe they will throw her to the smoke monster as a sacrificial offering... who knows...
Title: Re: Juliet's Mark
Post by: iban on February 22, 2007, 03:44:22 AM
In the Bible (Genesis 4), Cain kills Abel (Juliet killed Dani) and God marked Cain so nobody would take vengeance on him and kill him.
Title: Re: Juliet's Mark
Post by: mindsparkle on February 22, 2007, 03:48:39 AM
hmmm, maybe the mark is a mark of protection... interesting
Title: Re: Juliet's Mark
Post by: Maxor127 on February 22, 2007, 08:09:58 AM
The thing I noticed was how crappy Juliet looked while giving Jack his sandwich.  Looked like she was sick or something, or maybe it was just from the pain of getting marked or the stress of the situation.
Title: Re: Juliet's Mark
Post by: sjforcum on February 22, 2007, 08:52:24 AM
It means "the Artist formerly known as an other"...
Title: Re: Juliet's Mark
Post by: LostGirlDeb on February 22, 2007, 10:57:41 AM
Maybe the "island" takes those who kill another and the mark is to protect her from the "forces" of the island.

(So when smokey comes looking it will see the mark and think "OH OK not her she has the mark")  
Title: Re: Juliet's Mark
Post by: AmazonMonkey on February 22, 2007, 11:34:53 AM

I get this weird feeling I have seen the symbol in some skateboarding or snowboarding magazine... is anyone into that particular sport that recognizes it?
Title: Re: Juliet's Mark
Post by: Creflo on February 22, 2007, 12:50:55 PM
You're thinking of this symbol:
(http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:c-RJ0s-hQ9C1RM:http://www.backstage-fashion.com/Dead_Kennedys_patch_sp1908.jpg)

It's the Dead Kennedys band logo.




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dont certain religions forbid marking of the body? My theology is weak right now..

Jews are supposed to go back in the ground just the way they came into the world, without markings.
Title: Re: Juliet's Mark
Post by: jugdish on February 22, 2007, 01:23:19 PM
Don't think that is the key to Lost :D
Title: Re: Juliet's Mark
Post by: AmazonMonkey on February 22, 2007, 01:40:43 PM
You're thinking of this symbol:
(http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:c-RJ0s-hQ9C1RM:http://www.backstage-fashion.com/Dead_Kennedys_patch_sp1908.jpg)

It's the Dead Kennedys band logo.




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dont certain religions forbid marking of the body? My theology is weak right now..

Jews are supposed to go back in the ground just the way they came into the world, without markings.

Damn you good thats EXACTLY what I was thinking of.  I have been digging through t-shirts all morning trying to find it. :)  Thanks.
Title: Re: Juliet's Mark
Post by: Pandora on February 22, 2007, 05:45:55 PM
LOL... any headway with the symbol yet, aside from the skater thing?

I saw a few neat references to Wiccan symbols and other stuff... even saw one saying it was like the map to the Death Star, lol.
Title: Re: Juliet's Mark
Post by: WhatThe on February 22, 2007, 05:54:03 PM
It means "the Artist formerly known as an other"...

LOL!
Title: Re: Juliet's Mark
Post by: b3nj4m1n on February 23, 2007, 02:08:42 PM
I think the mark is to let smoky know to kill Juliette.  Once they get back to the big island I think he will be after her or something else will.    The mark has to be punishment, if they were going to execute her and instead give her the mark it has to mean something bad for her.  Going from execution to just a little mark that is hidden from view is too much  of a step down.  The mark is not anything of protection, that just does not make any sense, she is being punished for killing one of her own even though the one she killed was going to go against Ben's wishes.Why don't the others see that, she made sure that Ben's orders were followed.  Kate and Sawyer were suppose to be let go.   :-[
Title: Re: Juliet's Mark
Post by: HanginWithMrEko on February 23, 2007, 03:15:18 PM
LOL... any headway with the symbol yet, aside from the skater thing?

I saw a few neat references to Wiccan symbols and other stuff... even saw one saying it was like the map to the Death Star, lol.

http://www.symbols.com/encyclopedia/03/0314.html

this is what I am going with... it's a baseline symbol with a meaning if a line is put in a certain area and at a certain length.

of course, what do symbols even means since they changed the translation of Jack's Tattoos :)
Title: Re: Juliet's Mark
Post by: meatmuppet on February 24, 2007, 11:16:14 PM
Isnt that mark on Juliets back identical to Rousseaus ?
 ??? ??? ???
Title: Re: Juliet's Mark
Post by: jugdish on February 24, 2007, 11:57:10 PM
When did we see a mark on rousseau?
Title: Re: Juliet's Mark
Post by: grizz on February 26, 2007, 08:30:23 PM
....whenever I look at her "mark" I see two arrows pointing towards each other divided by a wall (since the arrowhead if you will on the left is continuous just as if you were drawing an arrow)....so, that could bring us back to the good vs. evil coming head to head into a barrier wall?
Title: Re: Juliet's Mark
Post by: daisyrain on February 27, 2007, 12:13:36 AM
Isnt that mark on Juliets back identical to Rousseaus ?
 ??? ??? ???

What mark on Rousseau ??? ???
I wanna see!
Title: Re: Juliet's Mark
Post by: Creflo on February 27, 2007, 04:47:49 PM
I don't recall a Rousseau mark.

How about this...a fleur-de-lis?

(http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:4sEy-AYwOa_spM:http://www.scouting.org.za/clipart/fleurdelis/fleurdelis-sa-bw.bmp)

(Of course I chose an image with Satanic imagery)
Title: Re: Juliet's Mark
Post by: cannonball java on April 12, 2007, 07:58:08 PM
Look at this.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Anglosaxonrunes.JPG
The rune for "Serpent" is identical to her mark.
Title: Re: Juliet's Mark
Post by: LostGirlDeb on April 15, 2007, 07:53:57 PM
What Mark on Danielle?
Title: Re: Juliet's Mark
Post by: Geronimo Jackson on April 15, 2007, 08:01:33 PM
When did we see a mark on rousseau?

 we didn't as far as i know,juliet's similar to one on tree that somewhere on this site i explained what it meant.
Title: Re: Juliet's Mark
Post by: firemanandlostfan on May 18, 2007, 10:35:15 AM
I keep thinking that they implanted a tracking device under that mark on Juliette's back when she was convicted in that trial.  What do you think?

Either that or Sawyer with his fake exploding heart trick that they told him he had.
Title: Re: Juliet's Mark
Post by: doubleon19 on May 18, 2007, 12:07:11 PM
I think the mark is to let smoky know to kill Juliette.  Once they get back to the big island I think he will be after her or something else will.    The mark has to be punishment, if they were going to execute her and instead give her the mark it has to mean something bad for her.  Going from execution to just a little mark that is hidden from view is too much  of a step down.  The mark is not anything of protection, that just does not make any sense, she is being punished for killing one of her own even though the one she killed was going to go against Ben's wishes.Why don't the others see that, she made sure that Ben's orders were followed.  Kate and Sawyer were suppose to be let go.   :-[

Sorry but this doesn't make sense because Julliet had an encounter with smokie after her branding.... with Kate in the tree and he flashed lights at her and left her alone....