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Episode Discussion (Spoiler Free) => Season 3 => Episode 3x09 => Topic started by: firemanandlostfan on February 21, 2007, 07:10:44 PM

Title: Jack's tattoos
Post by: firemanandlostfan on February 21, 2007, 07:10:44 PM
First of all HAPPY LOST DAY to everyone.

Supposedly tonight 3 "secrets" will be revieled tonight.  Obviously from the "scenes from next week's Lost" that we saw there is mention of how Jack got his tattoos or perhaps the origin of what the meaning behind them are.

I would list "the mystery of Jack's tattoos" at about 453rd on the list of "unansered secrets" that I would like answered.  I sure hope the other two things they reveal are higher on my list.

I think Alex's boyfriend (cant remember his name) could be a huge source of information if the brainwashing didnt mess him up too much.  We will see, only 3 hours and 50 minutes!
Title: Re: Jack's tattoos
Post by: Point Place WI on February 21, 2007, 07:57:27 PM
3 hrs and 3 minutos no countdown thread?
Title: Re: Jack's tattoos
Post by: uofapiglet on February 21, 2007, 07:57:49 PM
Here's the transcript from Lockdown, hope it helps as a refresher for tonight's episode:

[Back on the island, Sawyer and Jack are playing cards.]

SAWYER: So, where'd you learn to play cards, Doc?

JACK: Phuket.

SAWYER: What the hell were you doing in Thailand? [Jack doesn't respond] What, you don't think I know where Phuket is? Just because I dropped out in 9th grade don't make me an idiot. Far East, huh? I wouldn't have taken you for a world traveler. That where you got the art on your shoulder?

JACK: How about you deal again?

SAWYER: What?

JACK: This time from the top of the deck.

SAWYER [smiling]: Well, I had to try.

(I cut out the next few scences)

[The scene switches to Jack and Sawyer.]

JACK: 10 mangos.

SAWYER: Okay, I'll call you with the aspirin and raise you with a bottle of Amoxicilin.

JACK: Do you even know what Amoxicilin is?

SAWYER: You may have been to Phuket, Doc, but I've been to Tallahassee. [Jack looks like he doesn't understand] Let's just say something was burning and it wasn't from the sunshine.

JACK: I'm all in.

SAWYER: Well, that's the move of a man who wants me to lay it down.

JACK: You're not going to lay it down.

SAWYER: I'm not, huh? Why's that?

JACK: Because there's a bunch of people watching us right now and you don't want them to see you lose. Again.

SAWYER: Well alright, I call. What you got? [Jack shows his cards] Pair a 9s? You pushed in with a pair of 9's?!

JACK: You got me. Let's see 'em.

[Sawyer shows his cards, irritatedly. He's got a pair of 5s.]

JACK: Guess it was enough, huh?

SAWYER: Son-of-a-b*tch.

JACK: I'll come get the meds later. [he starts to leave]

SAWYER: Hey, when I asked you what you wanted for stakes -- why didn't you ask for the guns?

JACK: When I need the guns, I'll get the guns.

Title: Re: Jack's tattoos
Post by: AmazonMonkey on February 21, 2007, 08:25:22 PM
First of all HAPPY LOST DAY to everyone.

Supposedly tonight 3 "secrets" will be revieled tonight.  Obviously from the "scenes from next week's Lost" that we saw there is mention of how Jack got his tattoos or perhaps the origin of what the meaning behind them are.

I would list "the mystery of Jack's tattoos" at about 453rd on the list of "unansered secrets" that I would like answered.  I sure hope the other two things they reveal are higher on my list.

I think Alex's boyfriend (cant remember his name) could be a huge source of information if the brainwashing didnt mess him up too much.  We will see, only 3 hours and 50 minutes!

453 :) You have a big list...

Karl... and yes hoping he will have some answers for us.
Title: Re: Jack's tattoos
Post by: LouE68 on February 21, 2007, 09:50:47 PM
SAWYER: You may have been to Phuket, Doc, but I've been to Tallahassee. [Jack looks like he doesn't understand] Let's just say something was burning and it wasn't from the sunshine.

roflmao
Title: Re: Jack's tattoos
Post by: lostatsea on February 22, 2007, 12:05:02 AM
didn't someone translate Jack's Tattoos before tonight's show?

What did them come up with? Was it close?
Title: Re: Jack's tattoos
Post by: Pandora on February 22, 2007, 12:05:22 AM
OK, I just didn't get it.  Why were they so pissed off that she gave Jack the tattoo... does it give him some special power?

(I heard someone joke elsewhere that the tattoo means "kick my ass please")

Here's the literal translation, doesn't quite mean what she says it meant...
http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Jack%27s_tattoo
Title: Re: Jack's tattoos
Post by: HanginWithMrEko on February 22, 2007, 12:08:51 AM
some forms of tattooing is seen as spiritual... not sure if that holds true for Thailand, but certain tattoos, and more importantly, tattooing methods are seen as a rite of passage... I like ink :)
Title: Re: Jack's tattoos
Post by: jugdish on February 22, 2007, 12:17:59 AM
I thought they built these tattoos up and it did not live up to the billing. We already knew he was a leader and a loner. Big deal
Title: Re: Jack's tattoos
Post by: nothingbutsky on February 22, 2007, 12:29:35 AM
forget the all of that other stuff, why the 5?

Please nobody say Party of Five!
Title: Re: Jack's tattoos
Post by: AmazonMonkey on February 22, 2007, 12:39:42 AM
forget the all of that other stuff, why the 5?

Please nobody say Party of Five!

Cause he counts to 5 and then lets the fear go (at least thats how they worked in the pre existing Tatoo with the story line I think).
Title: Re: Jack's tattoos
Post by: nothingbutsky on February 22, 2007, 12:41:22 AM


Cause he counts to 5 and then lets the fear go (at least thats how they worked in the pre existing Tatoo with the story line I think).

aha! clears that up, thanks!
Title: Re: Jack's tattoos
Post by: thwgt on February 22, 2007, 12:44:50 AM
forget the all of that other stuff, why the 5?

Please nobody say Party of Five!
Well, as in Pandora's link, it could mean 5 seconds of letting the fear in.
Title: Re: Jack's tattoos
Post by: madmax22e on February 22, 2007, 12:45:57 AM
5 isnt even one of the numbers.

guess there are two jack tattoo flashback episodes.
Title: Re: Jack's tattoos
Post by: jugdish on February 22, 2007, 12:48:07 AM
5 isnt even one of the numbers.

guess there are two jack tattoo flashback episodes.

OH great, another yawner
Title: Re: Jack's tattoos
Post by: uofapiglet on February 22, 2007, 01:30:35 AM
I too wondered why we only saw one half of the tattoo...

The whole tattoo parlor scene actually made me think of the Maori (New Zealand) tattoing method with the ink pin and the stick tapping... but I still don't understand the importance of Jack ordering Achara (?) to "tell him who he is" and put it permanently on his arm... besides maybe the parallel with Juliet being "marked" and the two of them being former leaders and outcasts...

Basically, I don't get Achara's gift (I still have to think about this one)... and I don't get why those Thai hooligans and even the kid soda-vendor would treat Jack like a pariah after getting tattooed...
Title: Re: Jack's tattoos
Post by: LouE68 on February 22, 2007, 01:34:07 AM
Achara (sp?) did mention there would be consequences, probably do to the "belief's" we are led to belive...i don't think it's as important as the parallel to Juliet...
Title: Re: Jack's tattoos
Post by: madmax22e on February 22, 2007, 01:35:08 AM
there seems to be more and more flashbacks with people in them having special powers.
Title: Re: Jack's tattoos
Post by: uofapiglet on February 22, 2007, 01:43:06 AM
there seems to be more and more flashbacks with people in them having special powers.

We think alike... I just started a topic about Achara as another flashback character with a so-called power :)
Title: Re: Jack's tattoos
Post by: mindsparkle on February 22, 2007, 04:28:58 AM
I think the woman made herself more and more mysterious to Jack and she kept on telling him she had a "gift" yet wouldn't let him know anything about her... curiosity got the cat... and he decided he wanted some of what she had... you know Jack he can be quite the bully sometimes when his honor/ego is at stake...

Well, he got what he wanted... why she relented... she did say she was afraid... maybe she was afraid of Jack at that time... maybe she had never seen him quite so demanding... 

then again, I think she really liked Jack and wanted to give him what he wanted... even if meant they would never see each other again. 

Or, maybe in her own anger at Jack for following her and being so demanding she thought he deserved the "consequences" of the tat... not meaning the beating, that was just a get out of town statement!
Title: Re: Jack's tattoos
Post by: LouE68 on February 22, 2007, 07:43:39 AM
He walks amongst us but he is not one of us (Jack brand)

Isnt it strange Juliet is now branded, and she is one of them, but wants to return home and not walk among them?
Title: Re: Jack's tattoos
Post by: Ladybug on February 22, 2007, 12:01:27 PM
OK, I just didn't get it.  Why were they so pissed off that she gave Jack the tattoo... does it give him some special power?

(I heard someone joke elsewhere that the tattoo means "kick my ass please")

Here's the literal translation, doesn't quite mean what she says it meant...
http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Jack%27s_tattoo

i don't understand why they were so mad either.  i wish the producers would have delved a little further into this.  it's not like they are ever going to tell us why, and if they do it will probably be in another yawner Jack episode.
Title: Re: Jack's tattoos
Post by: Creflo on February 22, 2007, 12:42:30 PM
Juliet's branding translates to:

"I am a fan of the Dead Kennedys"

(http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:tVgBSLnOQ5VNSM:http://www.everytattoo.com/tattoopics/data/media/57/Picture_013.jpg)....(http://lost.cubit.net/forum/gallery/thumb_1_21_02_07_11_03_16.jpg)
Title: Re: Jack's tattoos
Post by: r.harrod on February 23, 2007, 07:46:07 PM
did any of you notice the scene when Jack was on the beach about to get beat up by Acharas brother? Acharas brother pulled jacks sleeve up to see the tattoo, but its only half of the tattoo he has on the island, so when and where did he get the rest of it done?(http://img93.imageshack.us/img93/1130/tattooev8.jpg)
Title: Re: Jack's tattoos
Post by: PrincessLeia on February 23, 2007, 07:58:20 PM
He walks amongst us but he is not one of us (Jack brand)

Isnt it strange Juliet is now branded, and she is one of them, but wants to return home and not walk among them?
this was a great point, & I thought, the meaning of the entire episode!

This can be seen in Jack & in Juliet.
Title: Re: Jack's tattoos
Post by: Wishbone on February 23, 2007, 08:26:57 PM
I had always thought they were real tattoos
Title: Re: Jack's tattoos
Post by: PrincessLeia on February 23, 2007, 08:29:00 PM
I had always thought they were real tattoos

they are.
Title: Re: Jack's tattoos
Post by: Wishbone on February 23, 2007, 08:37:14 PM
so he has the chinese tattoo in real life and they've written it in?
Title: Re: Jack's tattoos
Post by: PrincessLeia on February 23, 2007, 08:38:23 PM
That is my understanding.   Hmmm...checking the photo thread now. ;)
Title: Re: Jack's tattoos
Post by: Wishbone on February 23, 2007, 08:39:49 PM
cool, thanks PL :)
Title: Re: Jack's tattoos
Post by: Tekkaman on February 24, 2007, 09:07:01 AM
Juliette's tattoo has the same meaning as Jack his tattoo. She killed one of the others and therefore she she should be executed, but Ben stopped that. They marked her and by that they make it clear that she is no longer one of them, they just tolerate her (for the time being). Just as the tattoo of Jack says; She walks among them but is not one of them (anymore)
Title: Re: Jack's tattoos
Post by: jewels on February 24, 2007, 10:56:17 PM
Hey Everyone, this is my first post, I love this site and finally decided to register.

Maybe because it was Ash Wednesday, but I couldn't help but think of the parallel between Jack and Jesus, one who walks amongst them but is not one of them.
Title: Re: Jack's tattoos
Post by: r.harrod on February 24, 2007, 11:04:51 PM
well the creators of the show have said time and time again..that this is a show of faith! So that doesnt suprise me at all.
Title: Re: Jack's tattoos
Post by: Creflo on February 26, 2007, 11:01:08 AM
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only half of the tattoo he has on the island, so when and where did he get the rest

When he joined 'Party of Five?'


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