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Episode Discussion (Spoiler Free) => Season 3 => Episode 3x07 => Topic started by: ChellyKins on February 08, 2007, 11:17:35 PM

Title: Tom's Comment About the Purple Flash
Post by: ChellyKins on February 08, 2007, 11:17:35 PM
Again, if this is being discussed somewhere else, I can't find it. Move me if necessary.

The first time I watched, I never caught on to Tom's statement about why they hadn't moved Ben to a facility since they have that ability...he said something about "ever since the purple flash"...then got cut off due to Jack cutting an artery on Ben.

Anyone wanna theorize on this one?? Could it be that Tom was about to let the cat out of the bag that they couldn't contact the "mother island" due to the magnetic discharge??
Title: Re: Tom's Comment About the Purple Flash
Post by: PrincessLeia on February 08, 2007, 11:49:48 PM
I thought this was particularly interesting seeing as it almost sounded as if they had planned on getting Ben off the island for the surgery, until the "sky turned purple."  However, Jack was kidnapped BEFORE that happened!  I'm not sure what to make of it yet.  Production error?  Deception? 

Tom is the one Other that I see as reliable, as far as information, ethics, & trustworthiness.  I guess he's just guilty by association in my eyes.
Title: Re: Tom's Comment About the Purple Flash
Post by: Sunflower on February 09, 2007, 12:09:04 AM
I am pretty sure this was discussed in some detail under the last episode.  hope that helps.
Title: Re: Tom's Comment About the Purple Flash
Post by: ChellyKins on February 09, 2007, 06:48:12 AM
But Joy...lol...he didn't say it until THIS episode lmao
Title: Re: Tom's Comment About the Purple Flash
Post by: BlackrockBob on February 09, 2007, 08:10:43 AM
THis is my theory (sorry I will mention Clancy Brown's character)

They want Michael to release Ben and bring the three most important connected people to them. (You could never control Locke or Saiyd). Ben is about to die and needs to have surgery.

I think the point was to send a statement back with Hurley not to mess with the Others and they were holding Jack/Kate/Sawyer for insurance. Jack is the real prize, Kate and Sawyer are just there to control Jack. He is the most likely to help with with their research.

The failsafe is used. They can't take Ben back to have surgery. Jack is a spinal surgeon with the past of performing great surgery. They change their plans to have Jack perform the surgery.

I find it funny that they didn't really know that if they kept messing with Locke that the failsafe would end up being used. I guess Desmond was the variable they didn't count on.

Now I believe that KELVIN  :o  knew what would happen if he used the failsafe. That it would be hard or impossible to leave the island. He knew he couldn't get away fast enough if their was a system failure and had to make sure that Desmond kept pushing the button. At one point Kelvin was going to use the failsafe, and he was drunk. I think he was told to use it, but he couldn't face the possibility of spending his whole life on the island.

(Now is where I would go on about how Kelvin faked his death to take the boat safely, couldn't find the correct compass heading to leave and parked the boat back in the safe hiding spot, went to the Pearl and laughed at Desmond/Locke/Jack/etc.)

However we all know that Kelvin is DEAD, but I'm sure we haven't seen the last of Clancy Brown, he'll be back in a flashback, I'm sure. He is too good not to keep having him pop up.
Title: Re: Tom's Comment About the Purple Flash
Post by: jugdish on February 09, 2007, 09:52:53 AM
That is an excellent theory. It encompasses all the old information and the new episode. Nicely done.

TOm was responding to Jacks question on why the did not just take ben off the island for the surgery. So I believe Tom was going to say that they can not leave the island now. So they are all stuck there for now.
Title: Re: Tom's Comment About the Purple Flash
Post by: goober on February 09, 2007, 09:57:01 AM
Which means Michael and Walt can't aren't going to find much following compass bearing 325 ???
Title: Re: Tom's Comment About the Purple Flash
Post by: MaxsDad on February 09, 2007, 09:59:49 AM
I believe they will be back, Ben isn't going to let Walt go, nor Juliette or Jack. To valuable.
Title: Re: Tom's Comment About the Purple Flash
Post by: jugdish on February 09, 2007, 10:00:21 AM
I would guess not. I always thought they just got picked up by some of the others. It was a show to Jack-kate-Sawyer that the others will keep their word.
Title: Re: Tom's Comment About the Purple Flash
Post by: uofapiglet on February 09, 2007, 01:29:38 PM
Bravo BRBOb! Excellent, concise theory...

That'll really set up the next few episodes (sans Walt & Mike) and most importantly, what happened to Desmond when he turned the failsafe key...
Title: Re: Tom's Comment About the Purple Flash
Post by: PrincessLeia on February 09, 2007, 03:10:54 PM
Agreed.  :)  Very logical, organized, & well thought out.  :)  Great post, BRB.
Title: Re: Tom's Comment About the Purple Flash
Post by: DaddyBeast on February 09, 2007, 04:07:32 PM
I would agree, except that Jack wasn't on Jacob's List.  We know that Bea gave the list to Michael, and from Pickett's statement we can infer that Ben gave the list to Bea - only that list didn't match Jacob's.

Why did Ben want Jack to do the surgery if he could leave the island?  Ben would have added Jack to the list way before the implosion.
Title: Re: Tom's Comment About the Purple Flash
Post by: PrincessLeia on February 09, 2007, 04:21:23 PM
Hmmm...now you have me thinking again... :-\

That is an important point to consider...about Jacob's list.  :-\
Title: Re: Tom's Comment About the Purple Flash
Post by: JBRam on February 09, 2007, 04:34:59 PM
Back to the original topic...

Anyways, Jack asked if he knew he had a tumor, why didn't Ben leave. Tom's answer was because ever since the sky turned purple...

Jack had been on the island for a couple months before the sky turned purple. Ben knew that he had cancer since before the plane crash.

Why didn't Ben leave in those two months? If he couldn't leave for some reason, why didn't he get Jack sooner?
Title: Re: Tom's Comment About the Purple Flash
Post by: jules778 on February 09, 2007, 07:44:02 PM
Here is a thought I don't think has been brought up.  If they can't get off the island b/c "the sky turned purple." If that is what he truely meant when saying that... wouldn't Juliet know that she wouldn't be able to go home now?  If something happened when Desmond turned the key why would Juliet not know this when Ben told her she could go home.... then we get back to the question... is that what Ben really said to her?
Title: Re: Tom's Comment About the Purple Flash
Post by: BlackrockBob on February 09, 2007, 08:16:47 PM
Tom told Ben about the communications problem, but does Juliette know?

It hasn't been that many days since the failsafe was used by Des.
Also I thought Ben only recently found out about the cancer.

We will see more about the failsafe when Desmond says what happened to him after he used it. I hate to say it, but TIME may TRAVEL differently for Desmond.
Personally, I can't wait to see how they explain it without TT.
Title: Re: Tom's Comment About the Purple Flash
Post by: ChellyKins on February 09, 2007, 09:19:30 PM
BRBob, you rock dude!

How come with each new theory or "conclusion" we find several questions? lol Good writing eh?
Title: Re: Tom's Comment About the Purple Flash
Post by: JBRam on February 09, 2007, 11:41:28 PM
Tom told Ben about the communications problem, but does Juliette know?

It hasn't been that many days since the failsafe was used by Des.
Also I thought Ben only recently found out about the cancer.

We will see more about the failsafe when Desmond says what happened to him after he used it. I hate to say it, but TIME may TRAVEL differently for Desmond.
Personally, I can't wait to see how they explain it without TT.
I don't remember exactly how long, but Ben said "a few days after I found I had a tumor, a spinal surgeon fell from the sky"
Title: Re: Tom's Comment About the Purple Flash
Post by: DaddyBeast on February 10, 2007, 04:33:42 PM
I think Ben actually said it was the day after he found out...but - we know that Ben lies, and he will continue to lie.

If the "comms" are down due to the purple flash, that doesn't necessarily mean that they can't leave.  After all, they aren't on "The" Island right now.

It could be that they don't have a boat that can make it far enough since they gave it away to Michael.  Then, Ben hears about the sailboat and wants it right away.  It might take too long to sail out, so Ben figures it's better to take his chances with Jack.
Title: Re: Tom's Comment About the Purple Flash
Post by: JBRam on February 10, 2007, 04:48:58 PM
They have the submarine
Title: Re: Tom's Comment About the Purple Flash
Post by: mindsparkle on February 10, 2007, 04:50:27 PM
Seems to me that if they were considering getting help for Ben they would have done it the day after the plane crashed, like right away... why waste time and why take so much time in getting the surgeon...

he could have ordered Goodwin and Ethan or whomever to go get the surgeon... so there has to be some reason they can't get Ben to a doc in civilization... and I know we all remember Mrs. Klug saying we can't go over there... I'm not sure she meant it the way we heard it!

and as for the statement about the purple flash... all of Ben's options were already considered when the flash happened... so I think Tom was about to tell Jack something about the purple flash but it probably had little to do with getting Ben to a doctor.. he may have been leading up to something, just starting a story... (not story like made-up but his thoughts)
Title: Re: Tom's Comment About the Purple Flash
Post by: jugdish on February 10, 2007, 11:14:53 PM
Mindsparkle as always you spark a thought in my croweded brain. Maybe Ms. Klugh meant that Jacob, or whoever the boss is, won't allow them to go over to the lostie area. We know Ben has ignored Jacobs list, he might of decided to ignore this order also.
Title: Re: Tom's Comment About the Purple Flash
Post by: BlackrockBob on February 11, 2007, 12:20:24 AM
Ethan never gave them a list of the survivors like Goodwin did.

I theorize that Jacob took Goodwin's list, researched the people and came up with a list of the "Good Ones"....

Notice Bernard is NOT on that list either. He was a dentist. He is the only tailie left.
Weird, huh? I say there is something wrong with Bernard.

Anyway, Jack and Bernard are both in the medical profession, and both weren't on the list.
Maybe that is just a coincidence.

Back to Ben's cancer... They didn't know Jack survived until Ethan brought Claire to the medical hatch (Staff?). So it is really weird for him to wait that long to make plans to get Jack if he needed Jack to perform the surgery. I think they would have sent Ben off the island if Ben could leave.

I have a feeling that Ben can't leave the island, and that there is a link to people born on the island. There are sure a lack of them. Alex and Aarron, maybe Ben too.
Since women become infertile, the woman would have to be pregnant before she came to the island, unless Juliette found a cure.
Title: Re: Tom's Comment About the Purple Flash
Post by: airdudei on February 11, 2007, 12:49:48 AM
Does anyone have a link to maybe youtube for this scene. I have looked but I can't find it. I don't remember this conversation from the episode. I'd like to watch this scene again. Thanks.
Title: Re: Tom's Comment About the Purple Flash
Post by: jugdish on February 11, 2007, 02:09:03 AM
Some wild ramblings here. What if time does move different on the island. So if you do leave the island you instantly become much older. So a 40 year on the island is like 75 off the island. Just thinking out loud
Title: Re: Tom's Comment About the Purple Flash
Post by: PrincessLeia on February 11, 2007, 02:10:24 AM
That satisfies a few questions, though.  :-\  Not sure...
Title: Re: Tom's Comment About the Purple Flash
Post by: jugdish on February 11, 2007, 02:17:37 AM
I am starting to formulate a new theory!!
Title: Re: Tom's Comment About the Purple Flash
Post by: mindsparkle on February 11, 2007, 03:49:20 AM
hmmm... a few gears are starting to move for me as well... interesting thoughts...
Title: Re: Tom's Comment About the Purple Flash
Post by: stillhaventfound on February 11, 2007, 11:21:39 PM
All we know is that Tom said, "Well, since the sky turned purple . . ."

I certainly think it's a reasonable assumption that the completion to this sentence is something along the lines of "we can't communicate with the outside world" or "we can't get off the island and here's why".

But, what if it is more of a conscious decision of new action by the Others?  Specifically, what if they know that when the sky turned purple (the hatch fail-safe was triggered), the island became "visible" to the outside world, and now they have to be extra careful to keep the island hidden?  i.e. - they can't have any boat or plane traffic tracked via radar or anything else heading to or from the island, so that it is harder to find for anyone who is looking for it.
Title: Re: Tom's Comment About the Purple Flash
Post by: jugdish on February 11, 2007, 11:25:23 PM
I think it has to be one of your 3 options. They all fit and make sense, I do lean towards the first two choices.
Title: Re: Tom's Comment About the Purple Flash
Post by: this is some crazy stuff on February 12, 2007, 12:14:55 AM
Some wild ramblings here. What if time does move different on the island. So if you do leave the island you instantly become much older. So a 40 year on the island is like 75 off the island. Just thinking out loud


Remember also that Russeaue(sp?) was amazed that it had been sixteen years of her being there alone.  Maybe Time is different on the island somehow?
Title: Re: Tom's Comment About the Purple Flash
Post by: idjpg85 on February 12, 2007, 05:46:27 AM
Some wild ramblings here. What if time does move different on the island. So if you do leave the island you instantly become much older. So a 40 year on the island is like 75 off the island. Just thinking out loud

My first post here.  Sorry if this has been brought up somewhere else.  But when I read this, the scene with Juliet looking at the x-rays came to mind.
Title: Re: Tom's Comment About the Purple Flash
Post by: jugdish on February 12, 2007, 10:06:21 AM
Some wild ramblings here. What if time does move different on the island. So if you do leave the island you instantly become much older. So a 40 year on the island is like 75 off the island. Just thinking out loud

My first post here.  Sorry if this has been brought up somewhere else.  But when I read this, the scene with Juliet looking at the x-rays came to mind.

That is where some of this is coming from. Maybe  a woman came off the island and they found this problem? Who knows?