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Title: The Others kidnapped Juliet to solve their fertility problem
Post by: sledgeweb on February 08, 2007, 12:40:31 AM
It was made more obvious in this episode that Ethan and his associate tricked Juliet into coming to the island (Portland) in order to work on their fertility problems. The Dr. showed Juliet an image, which she guessed was the womb of a 70 year old, but it was the womb of a 20 year old. Something is happening on the island which destroys the wombs - and Julie is being brought in to find out why. Looks like she hasn't been very successful though. We'll have to see how this ties into the abduction of kids...
Title: Re: The Others kidnapped Juliet to solve their fertility problem
Post by: jugdish on February 08, 2007, 12:43:06 AM
I agree with this sledge, she was fooled to go there and now is not allowed to go home. They definetly have a problem with fertility on the island. She was there to save the day.
Title: Re: The Others kidnapped Juliet to solve their fertility problem
Post by: JBRam on February 08, 2007, 12:46:08 AM
It was made more obvious in this episode that Ethan and his associate tricked Juliet into coming to the island (Portland) in order to work on their fertility problems. The Dr. showed Juliet an image, which she guessed was the womb of a 70 year old, but it was the womb of a 20 year old. Something is happening on the island which destroys the wombs - and Julie is being brought in to find out why. Looks like she hasn't been very successful though. We'll have to see how this ties into the abduction of kids...
Maybe instead of not being ABLE to find out, she tried at first, got stuck temporarily, wanted to go home, wasn't allowed, and then basically gave up (while still pretending to work hard on it) until someone would let her back home. I think she's going to finish her job.
Title: Re: The Others kidnapped Juliet to solve their fertility problem
Post by: mindsparkle on February 08, 2007, 01:29:15 AM
I think people that go all the way to actualizing a woman's wish for her ex-husband to get hit by a bus, know about her treating her sister secretly are seriously not going to suddenly start telling the truth or make promises or be trustworthy in any way... they wanted Juliet and they got her... why would they let her go, she might tell the world their secrets, can't take that risk...
Title: Re: The Others kidnapped Juliet to solve their fertility problem
Post by: JBRam on February 08, 2007, 01:31:23 AM
Especially if one of the purposes is to wipe out a large percentage of the global population (TLE)

Anyways, I don't think she was kidnapped, but rather went freely, but was later held against her will...
Title: Re: The Others kidnapped Juliet to solve their fertility problem
Post by: mindsparkle on February 08, 2007, 01:37:58 AM
I agree, JBRam, she went willingly but is now captive
Title: Re: The Others kidnapped Juliet to solve their fertility problem
Post by: Cardacct on February 08, 2007, 01:52:12 AM
Alright, these thoughts are sort of out there, but I'm voicing them.  So, perhaps when they abducted Claire, they injected her because there would be a possibility of her not being able to carry the baby to term.  Maybe her womb would have aged, if you will, in that time period.

Or something.

So, now I'm wondering how this relates to Sun's pregnancy.  Will she be able to carry the baby full term without help while on the island?  Is it possible that somehow the others had a hand in her pregnancy?

Or, were the X-rays just ploys to try and entice Juliet to going to "Portland?"
Title: Re: The Others kidnapped Juliet to solve their fertility problem
Post by: mindsparkle on February 08, 2007, 01:59:10 AM
I think you're on to something and I wondered the same thing about Sun... will her fetus age as well as the womb... perhaps, the aging process is not just internal but encompasses all aspects of aging... on the other hand, if the aging only affects the womb, or the internal organs of the island inhabitants... Sun will definitely need support in order to carry her baby to term.
Title: Re: The Others kidnapped Juliet to solve their fertility problem
Post by: Cardacct on February 08, 2007, 02:03:20 AM
mindsparkle, isn't that sort of a creepy thought that the baby could age faster in the womb!  Anyone want to deliver a toddler?

...but yeah, that's essentially what I'm saying.

Boo to time travel, but maybe it's faster aging!
Title: Re: The Others kidnapped Juliet to solve their fertility problem
Post by: mindsparkle on February 08, 2007, 02:06:18 AM
delivering a toddler struck me as really funny... but you're right it is creepy and it can play out that Sun can't carry the baby or that she'll deliver within a matter of a couple of months... it'll be interesting to see how fast her pregnancy progresses, she isn't showing last we saw her...
Title: Re: The Others kidnapped Juliet to solve their fertility problem
Post by: Cardacct on February 08, 2007, 02:09:26 AM
My guess is that the baby would abort itself if the womb too quickly, which is why they wanted Juliet for the research.  I mean I can't really apply science to this, but it seems logical, given our hypotheses.
Title: Re: The Others kidnapped Juliet to solve their fertility problem
Post by: Sunflower on February 08, 2007, 04:05:37 AM
I think Mindsparkle said this, but I don't think she went there willingly, she knew they could do whatever they please.  She just went into survival mode...do whatever it takes to survive.  I love they layers they are making for Juliet.  The transformation from fragile/insecure to strong/confident.
Title: Re: The Others kidnapped Juliet to solve their fertility problem
Post by: jugdish on February 08, 2007, 10:15:35 AM
Claire would not of been a problem on the island because she was already full term when she crashed. She was safe to have the baby at anytime.
Title: Re: The Others kidnapped Juliet to solve their fertility problem
Post by: MaxsDad on February 08, 2007, 11:51:23 AM
It was made more obvious in this episode that Ethan and his associate tricked Juliet into coming to the island (Portland) in order to work on their fertility problems. The Dr. showed Juliet an image, which she guessed was the womb of a 70 year old, but it was the womb of a 20 year old. Something is happening on the island which destroys the wombs - and Julie is being brought in to find out why. Looks like she hasn't been very successful though. We'll have to see how this ties into the abduction of kids...
I wonder if the aged womb could be a side effect of the serum that they use (what Desmond was taking down in the Hatch) And they needed her to find away to solve this problem.
Title: Re: The Others kidnapped Juliet to solve their fertility problem
Post by: jugdish on February 08, 2007, 11:56:38 AM
So the guys are taking a syrum so their wombs don't age?? This is a scerwed up island.
Title: Re: The Others kidnapped Juliet to solve their fertility problem
Post by: Sunflower on February 08, 2007, 12:12:48 PM
She impregnated a male mouse, maybe she should try working on the men :D
Title: Re: The Others kidnapped Juliet to solve their fertility problem
Post by: LostGirlDeb on February 08, 2007, 12:22:59 PM
Just how do you impregnate a male anything?
Does a male have a womb?

Maybe they lied to Jules about the womb to get her interested
Maybe in fact it was an older woman's womb but told her that to get her attention for research.

Maybe it was  Ben's aging womb! (ok J/K on that one)  
Title: Re: The Others kidnapped Juliet to solve their fertility problem
Post by: Sunflower on February 08, 2007, 12:56:45 PM
Debbie, didn't you see twins? ;) ::) ;D

Male Mouse didn't carry to term, so she obviously had some work to do.  Also, from the looks of that needle she used on her sister it didn't look long enough to get in her uterus, but I'm not a doctor so what do I know?
Title: Re: The Others kidnapped Juliet to solve their fertility problem
Post by: mindsparkle on February 08, 2007, 02:05:26 PM
Just a thought, a uterus is soft tissue and soft tissue can't show age on an x-ray, however, the bones can, so maybe it wasn't that the uterus was so old but that it was the uterus in a skeleton of a 70 year old woman that is actually 26... premature aging

Title: Re: The Others kidnapped Juliet to solve their fertility problem
Post by: Sunflower on February 08, 2007, 02:07:32 PM
You're real big on this premature aging!  I just don't know enough about it and haven't been shown enough on the show.  Were they actually xrays or some other form of imaging?
Title: Re: The Others kidnapped Juliet to solve their fertility problem
Post by: uofapiglet on February 08, 2007, 03:34:04 PM
I thought the Ah-nold movie where he was pregnant was Junior?

N-E-Way, I agree with some of you that Juliet was hesistant to work for Mittelos and it was interesting to see how her deameanor has changed especially after being on the island for three plus years.

The line that I remember her saying from last night's epi was, "I'm not a leader, I'm a mess!" It reminded me so much of when Jack said he didn't want to be the leader of the survivors and yet Locke tells him that the Losties made him the leader regardless of how he felt about it.

And that's what I really think happened to Juliet here in this case, she was approached immediately after her ex-husband's death and yet she somehow ended up on the island became a harda$$ and assumed a leadership position alongside, if not almost as powerful as, Ben. Given the circumstances, I'm not exactly sure what Ben and Juliet's HISTORY was, but she seemed forced into taking the job that somehow made her an authoritative figure among her people. She arrived on the island on the premise of being a genious fertility expert and now she is no longer needed. So my question is, did she solve the fertility problem or not?
Title: Re: The Others kidnapped Juliet to solve their fertility problem
Post by: Sunflower on February 08, 2007, 03:54:02 PM
OH!  hehe you're right ofcourse and I was wrong ;D
Title: Re: The Others kidnapped Juliet to solve their fertility problem
Post by: joe on February 08, 2007, 04:37:48 PM
Could Juliet's experiments have anything to do with Sun's pregnancy?
Title: Re: The Others kidnapped Juliet to solve their fertility problem
Post by: MaxsDad on February 08, 2007, 05:09:33 PM
So the guys are taking a serum so their wombs don't age?? This is a scerwed up island.
No I mean what if they came up with some kind of wonder drug, to heighten there senses, and one of the side effects were infertility?

Or maybe the island anomaly is causing them problems.  Whatever it is they obviously need Juliette to help solve it, there not going to let her go, or Jack for that matter.

Now if there all actually clones!....  (sorry couldn't resist)   ;D
Title: Re: The Others kidnapped Juliet to solve their fertility problem
Post by: JBRam on February 08, 2007, 06:19:43 PM
Debbie, didn't you see twins? ;) ::) ;D

Male Mouse didn't carry to term, so she obviously had some work to do.  Also, from the looks of that needle she used on her sister it didn't look long enough to get in her uterus, but I'm not a doctor so what do I know?
Juliet didn't allow Mr. Mouse to carry to term. She said "of course, we didn't carry to term." Think about the logistics of a male anything carrying a baby to birth... It would probably kill the mother... errr father... or um... well...

I think you're on to something and I wondered the same thing about Sun... will her fetus age as well as the womb... perhaps, the aging process is not just internal but encompasses all aspects of aging... on the other hand, if the aging only affects the womb, or the internal organs of the island inhabitants... Sun will definitely need support in order to carry her baby to term.
Maybe TPTB wll be using this same type of thing to explain why Walt is so much older. I don't think that it effects everyone tho, just like not everyone is healed on the island... Different energies affect different people. The ones with the gifts (Rose and Locke) were healed, but the ones without gifts (Ben) were not healed. This would show why Walt would grow because he has "gifts" ...

Am I making any sense at all? ;D

Could Juliet's experiments have anything to do with Sun's pregnancy?
I doubt it, as Sun never came to America. The closest she got was Sydney. She never set foot in America, so she most likely would never have run into Juliet unless Jules went to South Korea.
Title: Re: The Others kidnapped Juliet to solve their fertility problem
Post by: E-Rich on February 08, 2007, 08:50:03 PM
Just a thought, a uterus is soft tissue and soft tissue can't show age on an x-ray, however, the bones can, so maybe it wasn't that the uterus was so old but that it was the uterus in a skeleton of a 70 year old woman that is actually 26... premature aging



Actually - you can have the uterus and fallopian tubes show up on x-ray.  It is a procedure called "hysterosalpingography" where a dye is injected into the uterus.  This type of procedure is used to detect abnormalities, blockage, deformities or scarring in the fallopian tubes and or uterus that might be preventing someone from getting pregnant.

Title: Re: The Others kidnapped Juliet to solve their fertility problem
Post by: LostGirlDeb on February 08, 2007, 08:54:22 PM
And maybe it all has to do with why they put Sawyer and Kate together
Maybe they are the next step in the process (whatever it may be) meaning that Kate may now turn up preggers and just maybe she was injected with something to further help them with their research? dunno...  
Title: Re: The Others kidnapped Juliet to solve their fertility problem
Post by: JBRam on February 08, 2007, 08:55:04 PM
I dunno... I think we're looking into it too much again... but we'll see.
Title: Re: The Others kidnapped Juliet to solve their fertility problem
Post by: Sunflower on February 09, 2007, 12:04:37 AM
JB, I'm pretty sure that she said he didn't carry to term as in it wasn't a successful justation.
Title: Re: The Others kidnapped Juliet to solve their fertility problem
Post by: versed4every1 on February 09, 2007, 02:06:17 PM
Just a thought, a uterus is soft tissue and soft tissue can't show age on an x-ray, however, the bones can, so maybe it wasn't that the uterus was so old but that it was the uterus in a skeleton of a 70 year old woman that is actually 26... premature aging



Actually - you can have the uterus and fallopian tubes show up on x-ray.  It is a procedure called "hysterosalpingography" where a dye is injected into the uterus.  This type of procedure is used to detect abnormalities, blockage, deformities or scarring in the fallopian tubes and or uterus that might be preventing someone from getting pregnant.



Actually, what you were seeing were Cat Scan Images (possibly MRI, but I doubt it) which can show the depth of an endometrium - or the lining of the uterus which thins considerably after menopause.  Juliet said that the age of "somewhere in her 70s" was based on "the decompostion of the endometrium."
Title: Re: The Others kidnapped Juliet to solve their fertility problem
Post by: versed4every1 on February 09, 2007, 02:19:19 PM
Just how do you impregnate a male anything?
Does a male have a womb?

Maybe they lied to Jules about the womb to get her interested
Maybe in fact it was an older woman's womb but told her that to get her attention for research.

Maybe it was  Ben's aging womb! (ok J/K on that one)  

Fertilization does not occur in the uterus, it occurs in the fallopian tubes.  In addition to that, an embryo does not have to be in a uterus to begin to mature - as in an ectopic pregnancy that attaches to the inside of a fallopian tube or elsewhere.  The problem would be a place for the embryo to grow without causing damage to other organs. 

That is what the uterus does. 

I think that the CT films were real in that they needed Juliet to come to the island, knew her experimental treatment worked, enticed her by showing her a project, telling her she would have unlimited money and opportunity for her research on it.  Then, of course, offed her *&($#@ ex husband in a method which would serve to let her know they have that kind of ability. 

I think the most telling this about this episode was the frumpy, co-dependant, hiding from her ex, Juliet telling Dr. Alpert, "I am not a leader.  I am a wreck."  and contrasting that 3 years later to the Juliet she is now - one tough, Pickett shooting, in control lady.