This really didnt make alot of since to me because he got on the boat with Kate and Sawyer so if she went to then how would Ben kill him??????I bet that Ben could find Carl on the Island, no problem. Remember, Ben has the sailboat, so he can travel between the two islands easily. Plus they have the sub.
well, she cut him out of the net w/ Sayid, so I doubt he's the husband...She didn't trust Ben at all. She said he was one of the OTHERs. Sounds like either a paranoid lady or an ex.... ;D
I think she did the say the husand was w/ the science team and that she killed him... not positive on that, but for some reason that was what I remembered.
I wondered that exact thing jillybean4u, makes me want to go back and watch that episode where she was talking about it. My guess is he could have been her husband and Alex's real dad. Hense the desire to take Rousseau's baby because it was his own flesh and blood.
Think about this though, remember Rousseau put an arrow in Ben after he got out of the net. There didnt seem to be a surprised look on either of their faces when they saw each other.
I wondered that exact thing jillybean4u, makes me want to go back and watch that episode where she was talking about it. My guess is he could have been her husband and Alex's real dad. Hense the desire to take Rousseau's baby because it was his own flesh and blood.Ben had been hanging around in the net for a while before Sayid cut him down. Also, I'm pretty sure that Danielle and Ben would know who each other were. If not, then Ben would know who Danielle was, and Danielle would have not been too surprised to catch another person in her nets.
Think about this though, remember Rousseau put an arrow in Ben after he got out of the net. There didnt seem to be a surprised look on either of their faces when they saw each other.
JB,Just one ;D my fiancee.
What kinda crazy girls have you dated?! :P
Do you call torturing Sayid and stealing Aaron "acting sincerely"?I wondered that exact thing jillybean4u, makes me want to go back and watch that episode where she was talking about it. My guess is he could have been her husband and Alex's real dad. Hense the desire to take Rousseau's baby because it was his own flesh and blood.
Think about this though, remember Rousseau put an arrow in Ben after he got out of the net. There didnt seem to be a surprised look on either of their faces when they saw each other.
How can we be sure that Rousseau hasn't been an Other the whole time, and stationed on the island to interact sincerely with our islanders?
i doubt Danielle is an other... she had her hands on Aaron and was later tracked down... Aaron seemed to be all the Others wanted for a while, and could have had it.Alex has helped people out in situations as well. But I agree. Danielle is not affiliated with the OTHERs
Plus she helped Claire escape when she was pregnant... if they turned her into an Other, they would have to explain why she didnt just keep claire/aaron
I dont know if anyone has thought of this but didn't they take Alex when she was a baby. So how did they know what her name was?
Alex does throw a wrench into the aging theory for me because it really does seem that Danielle has been on the island for 16 years. The distress signal had been playing for 16 years, according to the calculation Sayid made, so it would seem that Alex has been there for 16 years, too.
Alex does throw a wrench into the aging theory for me because it really does seem that Danielle has been on the island for 16 years. The distress signal had been playing for 16 years, according to the calculation Sayid made, so it would seem that Alex has been there for 16 years, too.
I think Sayid may have been fooled and the distress signal has not been playing for 16 years, Rousseau said "they" have control of the radio tower... why haven't they changed the signal... probably because there is no need, no one can hear it anyway... I just have a strong feeling about the time frame on the island is going to be thrown off because of aging...
I agree with Juggy and Rick and everybody about Ben being her surrogate fatherI agree Debs, and a good speculation, maybe they did do something to her head! And yes lets see a Danielle flashback!
But one thing did cross my mind when I saw what they did to Carl
What if they did something similar (brainwashing) to Danielle and that is why she is a whack job. Not sure if it would make a difference or anything but it did cross my mind and it could explain why she is the way she is. Maybe they told her to tell that story or something....not sure but I would be interested to find out just how Ben became Alex's father and how she was taken from Rousseau etc.. (what REALLY happend) Its about time we get a Danielle Rousseau flashback...long overdue
I agree with Mindsparkle. Ben has been her surragate father since they captured her. It really has been 16 years. To me, Alex looks older than 16.
The actress for Alex is 18 years old (almost 19 now). When the series started (or when we first saw her), she would have been 16.I agree with Mindsparkle. Ben has been her surragate father since they captured her. It really has been 16 years. To me, Alex looks older than 16.
That's not what mindsparkle said.
IF danielle knew ben:I wondered that exact thing jillybean4u, makes me want to go back and watch that episode where she was talking about it. My guess is he could have been her husband and Alex's real dad. Hense the desire to take Rousseau's baby because it was his own flesh and blood.Ben had been hanging around in the net for a while before Sayid cut him down. Also, I'm pretty sure that Danielle and Ben would know who each other were. If not, then Ben would know who Danielle was, and Danielle would have not been too surprised to catch another person in her nets.
Think about this though, remember Rousseau put an arrow in Ben after he got out of the net. There didnt seem to be a surprised look on either of their faces when they saw each other.
Ben did not have Alex with Danielle. No evidence of this and everything we know contracdicts this. Either Ben is a surrogate father, or Alex is not Danielles.i agree with you jugdish. i wonder who karl's parents are. don't you find it odd that we don't know that yet? i mean i suppose he was born on the island, which would mean either he's an other's, or was stollen, so where did he come from?
i agree with you jugdish. i wonder who karl's parents are. don't you find it odd that we don't know that yet? i mean i suppose he was born on the island, which would mean either he's an other's, or was stollen, so where did he come from?This brings up a point that has bothered me from the very begining, where are all the kids?
Re: KosQuotei agree with you jugdish. i wonder who karl's parents are. don't you find it odd that we don't know that yet? i mean i suppose he was born on the island, which would mean either he's an other's, or was stollen, so where did he come from?This brings up a point that has bothered me from the very begining, where are all the kids?
i don't think he's her twin. let me re-phrase that, i don't think danielle gave birth to a son without her knowledge. now if we get down to this cloning/making babies with no daddies/making babies with no mommies/freaky stuff i don't know who karl is. i guess he could be alex's brother. that's kind of the impression i get because they want them apart so bad. if the others are so intent on having kids and stealing kids why would they keep alex & karl from procreating?Re: KosQuotei agree with you jugdish. i wonder who karl's parents are. don't you find it odd that we don't know that yet? i mean i suppose he was born on the island, which would mean either he's an other's, or was stollen, so where did he come from?This brings up a point that has bothered me from the very begining, where are all the kids?
I think that the Others sent most of them back. I could be completely wrong.
Re: LB
I'm very curious to find out about this too. Who is Carl and where did he come from? It seems like he's almost Alex's age, or a little older. Was he in Rousseau's team as well? Is he (dare I say it) Alex's twin, and this is why they are supposed to be kept apart?
Maybe Danielle does know about it, but doesn't care about Carl as much as she wants Alex ???i don't think he's her twin. let me re-phrase that, i don't think danielle gave birth to a son without her knowledge. now if we get down to this cloning/making babies with no daddies/making babies with no mommies/freaky stuff i don't know who karl is. i guess he could be alex's brother. that's kind of the impression i get because they want them apart so bad. if the others are so intent on having kids and stealing kids why would they keep alex & karl from procreating?Re: KosQuotei agree with you jugdish. i wonder who karl's parents are. don't you find it odd that we don't know that yet? i mean i suppose he was born on the island, which would mean either he's an other's, or was stollen, so where did he come from?This brings up a point that has bothered me from the very begining, where are all the kids?
I think that the Others sent most of them back. I could be completely wrong.
Re: LB
I'm very curious to find out about this too. Who is Carl and where did he come from? It seems like he's almost Alex's age, or a little older. Was he in Rousseau's team as well? Is he (dare I say it) Alex's twin, and this is why they are supposed to be kept apart?
Ben did not have Alex with Danielle. No evidence of this and everything we know contracdicts this. Either Ben is a surrogate father, or Alex is not Danielles.
Ben did not have Alex with Danielle. No evidence of this and everything we know contracdicts this. Either Ben is a surrogate father, or Alex is not Danielles.Well, what we know states this:
Danielle was already pregnant before she arrived on the island.
Danielle has been on the island for over 16 years, thus Alex is 16 years old.
Alex is Danielle's child.
Ben has been on the island his whole life.
Danielle had a husband, whom she killed.
The evidence we have seems to contradict the thought that Alex is Ben's child as well. I don't think it rules it out, but makes it extremely improbable.
How does everything we know contradict this? Alex's name is still Alex. That means Ben didn't just steal Alex from Danielle. As far as I know, Ben knocked her up. It sure seemed to me that he's the real father and until they say so otherwise, all signs point that way to me.
Ben did not have Alex with Danielle. No evidence of this and everything we know contracdicts this. Either Ben is a surrogate father, or Alex is not Danielles.
How does everything we know contradict this? Alex's name is still Alex. That means Ben didn't just steal Alex from Danielle. As far as I know, Ben knocked her up. It sure seemed to me that he's the real father and until they say so otherwise, all signs point that way to me.
No answer to that question. That is why I am saying it is a different Alex(I don't think so) or he is her surrogate father. No way he mated with DanielleI agree. Another question that I think relates to this issue, though.....Danielle told Sayid that she had never seen "others" on the island. Why then was she so confident that Ben was "one of them" when she caught him in her net?
She didn't want to kill him because she wanted them to get some answers. Maybe she thought he would tell them where Alex is, but a dead man can't do that. She trusts Sayid as much as she trusts anyone else on the island, so that's why she let Sayid take him back.
I really don't believe that Alex and Ben are teamed up in any fashion.
Could you imagine if Danielle actually is teaming up with Ben. Lets look at the evidence. Ben just "happens" to get caught in her net, I find this kind of fishy, although Danielle did try to refute his story of being Henry Gale by saying he would lie for a long time. When he was running away why did she not put an arrow into his heart instead of his shoulder which wasnt life threatening? A bad shot or by design to make them take him to the hatch for treatment and recon of what is going on in the "Losties" community. Ben is good at promises, maybe he told Danielle that he knew where Alex was and would get her, her daughter back if she helped him. that wouldnt be far from the norm would it?I would not be one bit surprised if it turned out this way...but I would be dissapointed because even though she is nut job I still like her because I think she is NOT with the others and looking out for the interest of our Losties
Ben did not have Alex with Danielle. No evidence of this and everything we know contracdicts this. Either Ben is a surrogate father, or Alex is not Danielles.
How does everything we know contradict this? Alex's name is still Alex. That means Ben didn't just steal Alex from Danielle. As far as I know, Ben knocked her up. It sure seemed to me that he's the real father and until they say so otherwise, all signs point that way to me.
Ben did not have Alex with Danielle. No evidence of this and everything we know contracdicts this. Either Ben is a surrogate father, or Alex is not Danielles.
How does everything we know contradict this? Alex's name is still Alex. That means Ben didn't just steal Alex from Danielle. As far as I know, Ben knocked her up. It sure seemed to me that he's the real father and until they say so otherwise, all signs point that way to me.
You could not be more off base with this post. What JB said above are the facts. Other than having people call him dad to Alex, every piece of evidence points to Ben not being her biological father.
Ben did not have Alex with Danielle. No evidence of this and everything we know contracdicts this. Either Ben is a surrogate father, or Alex is not Danielles.
How does everything we know contradict this? Alex's name is still Alex. That means Ben didn't just steal Alex from Danielle. As far as I know, Ben knocked her up. It sure seemed to me that he's the real father and until they say so otherwise, all signs point that way to me.
I also think you are way off here
There is nothing at all that supports that Ben could have knocked her up, if it is pure speculation, then I suppose anything is possible. You say "it sure seems to me that Ben is the real father" how did you come to that conclusion? As far as we have seen so far we are not even sure that it is Ben they are referring to when they talk about her father (we are all just assuming at this point). But if Ben is the one they are referring too I really doubt that he is her biological father.
Bens a liar, he probably crashed with Danielle
Bens a liar, he probably crashed with DanielleDanielle said she killed everyone from the team, and then the OTHERs stole Alex.
Bens a liar, he probably crashed with DanielleDanielle said she killed everyone from the team, and then the OTHERs stole Alex.
Ben has Alex.
Ben is one of the others.
Therefore, Ben was not in the science team.
Therefore Ben did not have sex with Danielle and get her pregnant when they were on opposite sides of the globe, literally.
Thanks Juggy. Does this make up for some of my crappily stated posts? :DBens a liar, he probably crashed with DanielleDanielle said she killed everyone from the team, and then the OTHERs stole Alex.
Ben has Alex.
Ben is one of the others.
Therefore, Ben was not in the science team.
Therefore Ben did not have sex with Danielle and get her pregnant when they were on opposite sides of the globe, literally.
Perfectly stated!!
"crapily stated"??? rofl :D :D :DThanks guys!
Yes...that was a good post, JB. It encapsulates my thoughts as well. :)
Thinking more deeply it's even ironic that Danielle had the guy who stole her daughter in her hands and handed it to Sayid. Dude, if she knew...Bens a liar, he probably crashed with DanielleDanielle said she killed everyone from the team, and then the OTHERs stole Alex.
Ben has Alex.
Ben is one of the others.
Therefore, Ben was not in the science team.
Therefore Ben did not have sex with Danielle and get her pregnant when they were on opposite sides of the globe, literally.
Good point! As hard as she has tried to get Alex back?? Yeah....this gives me all the more reason to believe that Ben & Danielle are NOT in cahoots. lolThinking more deeply it's even ironic that Danielle had the guy who stole her daughter in her hands and handed it to Sayid. Dude, if she knew...Bens a liar, he probably crashed with DanielleDanielle said she killed everyone from the team, and then the OTHERs stole Alex.
Ben has Alex.
Ben is one of the others.
Therefore, Ben was not in the science team.
Therefore Ben did not have sex with Danielle and get her pregnant when they were on opposite sides of the globe, literally.
How can we be sure that Rousseau hasn't been an Other the whole time, and stationed on the island to interact sincerely with our islanders?
i think danielle has not seen the others in all these years because they have not wanted to be seen. they have hidden from her so as to hide alex from her too. basically they have ignored her.
LB, if you keep posting things like this, you're going to have quite a following. I agree too.i think danielle has not seen the others in all these years because they have not wanted to be seen. they have hidden from her so as to hide alex from her too. basically they have ignored her.
agreed!
Good thoughts, except for one part:I think one of his main points is that she's crazy. :)
Why didn't she keep Ben and force him to take her to Alex?
If he was part of Danielles team why would she hand him over to Sayid when he gets trapped in the net?
I agree he is a liar but I dont think he had anything to do with Danielle getting pregnant
I am going out on a limb here and saying that isn't exactly it.this sounds great, but i don't think ben (as he is now) and danielle have ever met. let me explain, IF they have met, i think ben was in disguise or looked a lot different. otherwise she would have recognized him "in the net". i still think she's just a crazy lady that they stole her baby and leave her alone. they got what they wanted out of her.
Please allow me to speculate:
1) Rousseau's ship crashes on the island due to an incident with the Swan.
2) They discover the transmitter that was transmitting the numbers.
3) The crew becomes "infected."
4) Rousseau kills them all because she is afraid they will infect the baby.
5) She changes the message on the transmitter to imply it was the monster on the island and not her that killed her crew.
6) Ben "rescues" Rousseau and tells her he has a cure.
7) Rousseau has Alex.
8 ) Ben takes Alex, and they attempt to condition Rousseau.
9) The conditioning doesn't work, but drives her crazy.
10) They dump her off on the other side of the island.
11) She is too crazy to leave her part of the island and can't find the Staff station because it is hidden.
12) She goes more crazy as the "years" go on.
TPTB have said that Ben was not her father, and almost stated thet Danielle was her mother (but that's still a "Mystery" for some folks). I'm going with the Producers on this one. Ben just adopted her.If he was part of Danielles team why would she hand him over to Sayid when he gets trapped in the net?
I agree he is a liar but I dont think he had anything to do with Danielle getting pregnant
Because he abandoned her, which is a decent theory, and she's getting retribution by calling him an other, and she probably didn't even know who he was. For the time being until I am proved wrong, and I won't be, I am right when I say that Ben is Alex's real father.
Here's a question i have about Ben & Alex. And well Danielle, too. Do we know what Danielle's husband's name was. He was on the boat with her right? Danielle said something about the sickness or whatever took them. Did she actually have proof they died? Could Ben be her husband?(Sorry if its been adressed!!) Well, remember when Danielle caught Ben in the net and 'gave' him to Sayid. She seemed to know about him, and I quote; 'For a long time, he will lie' As if Danielle actually knew who he was, what his game plan is. If this is true, they must of 'broken up' (If that is the right word) becuase no lover would shoot an arrow in their sholder, only cupid does that with love arrows :D.
Probably a long shot, but that's the first thing I thought of.
I think she was saying that because she knew what kind of people they were. I really don't think she had ever seen Ben before.Here's a question i have about Ben & Alex. And well Danielle, too. Do we know what Danielle's husband's name was. He was on the boat with her right? Danielle said something about the sickness or whatever took them. Did she actually have proof they died? Could Ben be her husband?(Sorry if its been adressed!!) Well, remember when Danielle caught Ben in the net and 'gave' him to Sayid. She seemed to know about him, and I quote; 'For a long time, he will lie' As if Danielle actually knew who he was, what his game plan is. If this is true, they must of 'broken up' (If that is the right word) becuase no lover would shoot an arrow in their sholder, only cupid does that with love arrows :D.
Probably a long shot, but that's the first thing I thought of.
Do you believe that Danielle has been on the other island (Alcatraz)?I think she was saying that because she knew what kind of people they were. I really don't think she had ever seen Ben before.Here's a question i have about Ben & Alex. And well Danielle, too. Do we know what Danielle's husband's name was. He was on the boat with her right? Danielle said something about the sickness or whatever took them. Did she actually have proof they died? Could Ben be her husband?(Sorry if its been adressed!!) Well, remember when Danielle caught Ben in the net and 'gave' him to Sayid. She seemed to know about him, and I quote; 'For a long time, he will lie' As if Danielle actually knew who he was, what his game plan is. If this is true, they must of 'broken up' (If that is the right word) becuase no lover would shoot an arrow in their sholder, only cupid does that with love arrows :D.
Probably a long shot, but that's the first thing I thought of.
No, I don't think she's been on the other island. I think the only boat she's seen since her boat is the Black Rock.Do you believe that Danielle has been on the other island (Alcatraz)?I think she was saying that because she knew what kind of people they were. I really don't think she had ever seen Ben before.Here's a question i have about Ben & Alex. And well Danielle, too. Do we know what Danielle's husband's name was. He was on the boat with her right? Danielle said something about the sickness or whatever took them. Did she actually have proof they died? Could Ben be her husband?(Sorry if its been adressed!!) Well, remember when Danielle caught Ben in the net and 'gave' him to Sayid. She seemed to know about him, and I quote; 'For a long time, he will lie' As if Danielle actually knew who he was, what his game plan is. If this is true, they must of 'broken up' (If that is the right word) becuase no lover would shoot an arrow in their sholder, only cupid does that with love arrows :D.
Probably a long shot, but that's the first thing I thought of.
I'm sure there is some sort of conspiricy going on between Danielle and the others, it just doesn't make sence at the time, I can't put my finger on it.
So you believe the story Danielle told our Losties, about her boat becomming stranded etc.?No, I don't think she's been on the other island. I think the only boat she's seen since her boat is the Black Rock.Do you believe that Danielle has been on the other island (Alcatraz)?I think she was saying that because she knew what kind of people they were. I really don't think she had ever seen Ben before.Here's a question i have about Ben & Alex. And well Danielle, too. Do we know what Danielle's husband's name was. He was on the boat with her right? Danielle said something about the sickness or whatever took them. Did she actually have proof they died? Could Ben be her husband?(Sorry if its been adressed!!) Well, remember when Danielle caught Ben in the net and 'gave' him to Sayid. She seemed to know about him, and I quote; 'For a long time, he will lie' As if Danielle actually knew who he was, what his game plan is. If this is true, they must of 'broken up' (If that is the right word) becuase no lover would shoot an arrow in their sholder, only cupid does that with love arrows :D.
Probably a long shot, but that's the first thing I thought of.
I'm sure there is some sort of conspiricy going on between Danielle and the others, it just doesn't make sence at the time, I can't put my finger on it.
I also do not think there is any conspiracy between Danielle and the Others.
For the most part. I think she has little reason to lie, especially since there are a lot more LOSTies than her. She wants her privacy, and she wants to use the Losties to help find Alex. She is not connected with the Others, except in the fact that she knows they have Alex.So you believe the story Danielle told our Losties, about her boat becomming stranded etc.?No, I don't think she's been on the other island. I think the only boat she's seen since her boat is the Black Rock.Do you believe that Danielle has been on the other island (Alcatraz)?I think she was saying that because she knew what kind of people they were. I really don't think she had ever seen Ben before.Here's a question i have about Ben & Alex. And well Danielle, too. Do we know what Danielle's husband's name was. He was on the boat with her right? Danielle said something about the sickness or whatever took them. Did she actually have proof they died? Could Ben be her husband?(Sorry if its been adressed!!) Well, remember when Danielle caught Ben in the net and 'gave' him to Sayid. She seemed to know about him, and I quote; 'For a long time, he will lie' As if Danielle actually knew who he was, what his game plan is. If this is true, they must of 'broken up' (If that is the right word) becuase no lover would shoot an arrow in their sholder, only cupid does that with love arrows :D.
Probably a long shot, but that's the first thing I thought of.
I'm sure there is some sort of conspiricy going on between Danielle and the others, it just doesn't make sence at the time, I can't put my finger on it.
I also do not think there is any conspiracy between Danielle and the Others.