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Title: The many signs of Juliette
Post by: WartHog on November 03, 2006, 03:48:57 AM
I'm relatively new to the forum, so don't know if this has been addressed yet.  I was freeze-framing through last night's episode where Juliette is on the VCR video and showing the cards to Jack.  On the recorded VCR video, Juliette is recording herself in her own home from 'A Tale of Two Cities' (3x1).  I checked the backgroung in the VCR video and it has the same white columns and candles that we see in episode 3x1.  So we know Juliette recorded herself in what we know as her house in the Others village.  This leads to questions of timeline and of geography.  Maybe Sledge can help me with the timeline, but I sort of assumed that Juliette came into Jack's cell to show him the video soon after the funeral (maybe 6-10 hours).  Does this mean she left from the funeral and went back to the Others village, recorded the video, and returned to the Hydra to show it to Jack in a short period of time?  How far away is the Others Village from the Hydra station?  From the con revealed to Sawyer last week, It seemed like quite a haul and on two different islands.  I also saw that in the VCR video that Juliette appears to be wearing a long-sleaved purple shirt with a plunging neckline.  She is wearing a similar or the same whirt in Episode 3x1.  If it is the same shirt, she either a)wears it a lot or b)recorded the video on the same day that flight 518 fell from the sky.  Is that a little crazy or what.  The production people seem to pay alot of attention to the clothing that every character wears.  (The losties have to have the same clothes for long lengths of time, etc.)  It opens a whole other can of worms if Juliet is videotaping herself with the cards on the same day that the plane falls from the sky.  discuss....
Title: Re: The many signs of Juliette
Post by: mindsparkle on November 03, 2006, 03:56:41 AM
I noticed that too, that she was in her house wearing the same clothing but I had not put it together that she is at the Hydra station, so when did she tape this?  Hmmm.... something sounds fishy to me...  I do believe that Ben and Juliet are masters of deception and both are in on the "video" moment... and this just further illustrates to me how contrived the tape is... good observation and welcome to the boards!
Title: Re: The many signs of Juliette
Post by: Jas0n on November 03, 2006, 06:09:41 AM
very interesting, but are we 100% sure that shes wearing the exact same clothes that she was wearing when FLIGHT 815 crashed?  maybe she just likes the shirt?
Title: Re: The many signs of Juliette
Post by: Jas0n on November 03, 2006, 06:18:49 AM
I just went back and re-watched the beginning of 'a tale of two cities and the part from "the cost of living" and it does appear that she is wearing the same exact clothes... a purple v neck long sleeve shirt and dark colored jeans... 
Title: Re: The many signs of Juliette
Post by: Michelle13 on November 03, 2006, 06:31:33 AM
Warthog, first I want to say welcome to SWLS. Glad you chose to post your thoughts and questions here. Second, I want to say that another site had a visitor that posted this idea and was  attacked for it, so I am glad to see my SWLS addicts are very nice when approaching this topic. YAY Third, I hadn't noticed this detail until I read that other site...and it's a very good question. I'm not that big on details and remembering them, but where is the village compared to the Hydra?? I would think fairly close and that they could go home to sleep or what have ya...but that is my FIRST thought. LOL I like your questions...got me thinking.  ;)
Title: Re: The many signs of Juliette
Post by: BlackrockBob on November 03, 2006, 07:18:10 AM
Great catch!

I think she recorded that tape a long time ago, maybe not on the day the plane crashed, but maybe when they found out that a spinal surgeon survived the crash. So maybe a few weeks after the crash, she wore the same clothes and recorded it. Ethan didn't come back with the list. He came back with Claire, right? So they didn't know Jack was survived until then.

Title: Re: The many signs of Juliette
Post by: lostfromthestart on November 03, 2006, 09:19:31 AM
Its been 69 days roughly since the crash.  What?  You don't repeat your clothes that often?  I do.  It has nothing to do with wearing the same clothes so often.

As to getting from Hydra to village and back... this is a good point.  Many believe Hydra is on small island and village on large island.  This would necessitate there being some type of high speed transport system between the two locals.... unless the trekkers think we have transporter capabilities.... Beam me up, Benny.
Title: Re: The many signs of Juliette
Post by: jugdish on November 03, 2006, 09:34:46 AM
I mentioned this somewher around these parts. We have not seen where they live on the hydra island, never see any houses there. So my guess is that they go back and forth to their home village maybe by sub or their new sailboat.
Title: Re: The many signs of Juliette
Post by: Creflo on November 03, 2006, 09:37:12 AM
If it was all a big con and Ben and Juliet are conspiring to fool Jack, I don't think they would be so short-sighted as to pre-film the cards and forget to wear the same clothes.

Jack has nothing to do by sit and think while he's in solitary.  He'd put it together.

I would also like to express welcome to WartHog and thank him for the great post.  I came from other forums and have found this to be far-and-above the best one to discuss lost.  Very nice, smart people here.
Title: Re: The many signs of Juliette
Post by: lostfromthestart on November 03, 2006, 10:05:47 AM
Good point on the con job issue.  Ben has already said we were going to "turn" you... con him into using his surgical skills to save Ben.  Also made a point of telling Sawyer that they were better con artists than he is.  Did these two things in consecutive episodes to emphasize the point.  Conning and deception is there game.  Dressing up as vagabonds early on... very consistent methods.

So are they playing a "good other, bad other" tactic on Jack now?  Tell him they were going to con him but are dropping it... get's his guard down.  Now use Ben vs Juliet  (looks like Sarah) tactic.  We'll know soon enough..
Title: Re: The many signs of Juliette
Post by: BlackrockBob on November 03, 2006, 10:15:01 AM
Good point Lostfromthestart.
Good Other/Bad Other. Ben admitting that they WERE going to break them, appears to be part of the deception.

Jack will stay with the Others, at least for a while.
Title: Re: The many signs of Juliette
Post by: DaddyBeast on November 03, 2006, 10:29:08 AM
Well, we know it was premeditated by Juliet, because she put up the x-rays for Jack to see.  Juliet was very shrewd to use the occasion of Col's death to show these to Jack.  When Ben asked about showing the x-rays, she didn't deny it - she turned the tables on Ben.

Juliet is a great "actress", as you can see from her ability to draw in Jack and to fool Ben.

Oh - and she might be wearing the same clothes because they shot the scenes at the same time to save them from having to prep that set again.  Too bad she didn't get a scar at some time so we could pin-point.

However, all that matters is that Juliet pre-planned the coup, and they could be going back and forth to the village every night (we lost 2 days here - remember when Sayid asked how long Eko had been that way?).
Title: Re: The many signs of Juliette
Post by: Optimus J on November 03, 2006, 10:47:08 AM
Hardly is the same day the plane crashed. Ben told the spies to report back in 3 days.
Still that tape can be days and days old, since took days to attract Mike to their trap, send him back, and trap the 3.
We are even ignoring why Ben got caught in the trap of Rousseau. If he wasn't alone, why nobody freed him?
He was alone, and going for Locke.
When they got forced to rescue Ben, THAT might be the day Juliette decided to double-cross him.
AGAIN, I still not sure if that's Ben in those x-rays. This tape might be that plan to make Jack look as a traitor to the survivors, I said before.
Title: Re: The many signs of Juliette
Post by: ysaric on November 03, 2006, 11:04:10 AM
As to getting from Hydra to village and back... this is a good point.  Many believe Hydra is on small island and village on large island.  This would necessitate there being some type of high speed transport system between the two locals.... unless the trekkers think we have transporter capabilities.... Beam me up, Benny.

Isn't there already some speculation about this given the apparent visual distance of the village from the crash sites from a recent episode?  Two Others managed to make it a rather obscene distance in a short period of time to join the survivors.  Maybe it's not just Hydra to the village but . . . well, I'm not sure what it would be except that it would be a more general purpose high speed transportation system than just Hydra to the Village.

I predict this mystery will never be addressed.
Title: Re: The many signs of Juliette
Post by: jugdish on November 03, 2006, 11:36:45 AM
It is 60 days or so from when they saw the plane crash until they captured the three, It has only been about 3 days of captivity. The others were likely in their village until only recently when the captured the three. The clothes should be irrelevant. They did not plan the card idea 65 days ago.
Title: Re: The many signs of Juliette
Post by: Ladybug on November 03, 2006, 11:54:16 AM
great catch!  i didn't even notice the clothes, or where she was filming at.  i think the clothes are relevent (sorry jugdish).  i just think it is to big a detail to go unnoticed by TPTB.  i think they put her in the same clothes for a reason.  what that reason is i don't know.  did they know that jack crashed and survived immediately?  hmmm....  i have to think on this.  welcome to the boards warhog!
Title: Re: The many signs of Juliette
Post by: beanblog on November 03, 2006, 11:55:50 AM
Great thread!
I'm not so sure I buy the theory that this was all pre-planned, but I a friend mentioned something interesting to me.  If Ben and Juliet planned to have Jack see the X-rays, the scene where Ben confronts Juliet about it would not make sense.  they were out of earshot from Jack at the time.  At the same time, I don't think Juliet is trying to Kill Ben - I think it's just another elaborate con to make Jack think he has some kind of power.  Here's how I think it went:

Ben and Juliet have a big plan to con Jack until Cole gets shot and they actually need him for something.  The X-rays slip up caused them to have to change their plans.  Now that Jack knows part of the truth, they have to be sure that they will still be able to trust him to do the surgery.  The new part of the con (the cue cards) are just a test to see if Jack has it in him to actually kill Ben.  Once they are able to verify that he wont do it, the operation will go ahead as planned.

Just my 2 cents!
Title: Re: The many signs of Juliette
Post by: demra on November 03, 2006, 12:21:27 PM
I think that Ben and juilette have had seperate plans the whole time to break the 3 of them  and that she is undermining as best that she can Bens authority

there is  a split in the others with ben being the main leader and juilette trying to sieze control 

as to the clothes they do look like the  same clothes  as when the plane crashed she could have made this video anytime before they had captured Jack  knowing that it was the ultimate plan of bens to bring him there for his surgery   then it gets complicated  as to how to show jack the x-rays or somehow inform Jack of Bens condition

i agree that it was not Bens plan for jack to see them  but  to try and turn/break jack so he would be willing to operate on him

bottom line is Juilet is working against Ben 

unless this is one very elaborate plan  and after the exchange between her and ben  i dont think it is  so.....

nice catch on the clothes 
it helps me with my theory  ;D

Title: Re: The many signs of Juliette
Post by: jugdish on November 03, 2006, 12:43:42 PM
great catch!  i didn't even notice the clothes, or where she was filming at.  i think the clothes are relevent (sorry jugdish).  i just think it is to big a detail to go unnoticed by TPTB.  i think they put her in the same clothes for a reason.  what that reason is i don't know.  did they know that jack crashed and survived immediately?  hmmm....  i have to think on this.  welcome to the boards warhog!

How could it be important. Jack never saw her in those clothes before. She wore them in them in her little village. Not getting any importance here.
Title: Re: The many signs of Juliette
Post by: Ladybug on November 03, 2006, 12:59:22 PM
i just think the producers stuck her in the same clothes, so we would notice.  therefore important.
Title: Re: The many signs of Juliette
Post by: ozman776 on November 03, 2006, 01:06:57 PM
If in fact juliette is going out on a "BIG WHIM" and sees this as the opportunity to OFF ben and take over control... then i doubt this video was made anywhere near the time of the "CRASH"... firstly because there is no way of ever knowing that ben would even use a video recorder to show jack anything (red sox win).. so how could she ever know to record something if she doesnt know how she'd ever be able to have him see it... so we have to assume that she came up with the idea ad lib after she saw a way to communicate with jack without big brothers camera picking up on it... secondly if as ben says in 3x1 or 3x2.. "if you co-operate with what we want you to do for us/me" then i will take you HOME personally".. is bens psycholigical way of letting jack know that if he does BOTCH the operation he's doomed to spend eternity on craphole island, to dispell any other offers he may get from anyone else... preknowing that juliette had in fact made the tape, and planned to use it...maybe she has a hidden camera in her house???? ( got that idea from how everyone has to knock and wait for ben when he's in his voyuer room)... and finally as we hear in the previews for next week...jack screams out that he NEEDS to get the "hell" off this island... and "you think that i trust you and that i will just do the surgery and HOPE that you let me go?"... and in that few seconds of ranting..a blurred figure is off to the side of ben... cant be sure its juliette, but ben only seems to speak to jack when she alone is there noone else...

my 3c worth
Title: Re: The many signs of Juliette
Post by: demra on November 03, 2006, 01:28:04 PM
great catch!  i didn't even notice the clothes, or where she was filming at.  i think the clothes are relevent (sorry jugdish).  i just think it is to big a detail to go unnoticed by TPTB.  i think they put her in the same clothes for a reason.  what that reason is i don't know.  did they know that jack crashed and survived immediately?  hmmm....  i have to think on this.  welcome to the boards warhog!

How could it be important. Jack never saw her in those clothes before. She wore them in them in her little village. Not getting any importance here.

it is importaint because WE saw the close and it gives us a possible time line for her plan 
Title: Re: The many signs of Juliette
Post by: Ladybug on November 03, 2006, 01:49:11 PM
great catch!  i didn't even notice the clothes, or where she was filming at.  i think the clothes are relevent (sorry jugdish).  i just think it is to big a detail to go unnoticed by TPTB.  i think they put her in the same clothes for a reason.  what that reason is i don't know.  did they know that jack crashed and survived immediately?  hmmm....  i have to think on this.  welcome to the boards warhog!
thanks for the support!

How could it be important. Jack never saw her in those clothes before. She wore them in them in her little village. Not getting any importance here.

it is importaint because WE saw the close and it gives us a possible time line for her plan 
Title: Re: The many signs of Juliette
Post by: demra on November 03, 2006, 01:51:51 PM
i like the idea that she has had a plan from the time she got  info on the survivors
Title: Re: The many signs of Juliette
Post by: uofapiglet on November 03, 2006, 02:58:11 PM
Well, we know it was premeditated by Juliet, because she put up the x-rays for Jack to see.  Juliet was very shrewd to use the occasion of Col's death to show these to Jack.  When Ben asked about showing the x-rays, she didn't deny it - she turned the tables on Ben.

Juliet is a great "actress", as you can see from her ability to draw in Jack and to fool Ben.

Oh - and she might be wearing the same clothes because they shot the scenes at the same time to save them from having to prep that set again.  Too bad she didn't get a scar at some time so we could pin-point.

However, all that matters is that Juliet pre-planned the coup, and they could be going back and forth to the village every night (we lost 2 days here - remember when Sayid asked how long Eko had been that way?).


I agree with DB that it just tells us that Juliet has been plotting behind Ben's back all along, the word being "premeditated"... but as far as when the video was shot, i'm still unsure... she probably just put the same clothes on and made the tape when the opportunity arose to meddle with Jack...  lets all hope she gets rid off the tape and burned the sign cards cuz we are in for a treat if Ben ever finds out about her plan... exciting stuff...

Anyway, great post WartHog!!! Welcome... and enjoy the forum...
Title: Re: The many signs of Juliette
Post by: Creflo on November 03, 2006, 03:02:44 PM
It's a fun idea, but let's whittle away the more improbable bits until we have the most likely scenario.

- Ben saw his own x-rays long ago and saw the obvious tumor.
- He found out a spinal surgeon fell from the sky
- He concocted a plan to abduct that Dr and other characters for their particular usefulness
- This convoluted plan involved coercing Jack into wanting to do the surgery1
- Juliet saw an opportunity and began her own counter-play
- She manipulated events so that Jack would see the X-rays2
- Ben was duped into confirming that the X-Rays were his.

I think Jack is going to murder Ben and be sorry (literally...as in repenting) about it later.  Ben was probably keeping the fractured Others under control in the way only a tyrant can...through unpleasantness.  Without him, things are going to get worse for the Losties.




1Whenever the show addresses confidence games, this is a predominant theme: trick them into wanting to go along.
2The hood could've been left on until Jack entered the operating room. Wasn't she the one doing the reassuring when others were concerned about him seeing the medical area they were in? 
Title: Re: The many signs of Juliette
Post by: uofapiglet on November 03, 2006, 03:20:47 PM
It's a fun idea, but let's whittle away the more improbable bits until we have the most likely scenario.

- Ben saw his own x-rays long ago and saw the obvious tumor.
- He found out a spinal surgeon fell from the sky
- He concocted a plan to abduct that Dr and other characters for their particular usefulness
- This convoluted plan involved coercing Jack into wanting to do the surgery1
- Juliet saw an opportunity and began her own counter-play
- She manipulated events so that Jack would see the X-rays2
- Ben was duped into confirming that the X-Rays were his.

I think Jack is going to murder Ben and be sorry (literally...as in repenting) about it later.  Ben was probably keeping the fractured Others under control in the way only a tyrant can...through unpleasantness.  Without him, things are going to get worse for the Losties.




1Whenever the show addresses confidence games, this is a predominant theme: trick them into wanting to go along.
2The hood could've been left on until Jack entered the operating room. Wasn't she the one doing the reassuring when others were concerned about him seeing the medical area they were in? 

Haha... I like that you tried to sum it up concisely... love the footnotes...

But IMHO I don't think Jack is capable of killing someone on purpose, especially during a botched operation.... he's a doctor that takes pride in his surgical skills and tries to help whenever he can... he even has the humble integrity to feel guilty when he can't save lives... He sees this operation as a bargaining opportunity and that is why he asks/approaches Ben about his situation... And of course, he remains a moral but man of science cringing at the thought of fate when Ben mentioned it...

but the show is known for surprises so maybe we'll see another side of jack we never knew before... we'll have to wait and see what he does or chooses to do...
Title: Re: The many signs of Juliette
Post by: ozman776 on November 03, 2006, 03:32:57 PM
The mentality of a surgeon can never be compromised by emotion.. much like a police officer is empowered to bring a criminal before the justice system rather than what most of us would do and just blow his/her brains out for what they did... im thinking that jack knows that his only way off freakyville island is with BENS help, but he wants the reassurances up front somehow... im imagining he will probably tell ben about what juliette showed/offered him.... if "I" was in this situation, i'd feel more comfortable doing what i know i can do, than to somehow strategically screw it up and always wonder who saw what ....How dead  am i,if they put 2 & 2 together and off me for killing there leader... too much risk involved in trying to make it look like an accidental death during surgery... plus jacks too much of a nice guy.. dont see an evil streak in him ... not yet anyway.. and for those that will post after this that he was a stalker??? he had every opportunity to chase down the guy and beat him senseless at the police station after he got bailed out.. he didnt, hes a nancy boy at heart... he may think it, but would never go through with it...
Title: Re: The many signs of Juliette
Post by: Creflo on November 03, 2006, 04:18:02 PM
I think the fact that they've made a point of showing daddy botch an opertaion lays the groundwork for Jack to do the same.

He may, at the very least, render Ben paralyzed with the flick of a knife.
Title: Re: The many signs of Juliette
Post by: tweedle on November 03, 2006, 04:29:24 PM
I have a feeling that Juliette isn't being honest with us.  I think she is trying to get control of the Others.  We've known from the first episode of this season that there is conflict between her and Ben.
I'm beginning to think that Ben believes in what they are doing on the island and he believes what he is doing is the right thing.  I think Juliette is disgruntled for some reason and is trying to get control, we know that there are "other" others on the island (Patch Man) could she be involved with them?  A spy from their side that is sent to watch over what Ben is doing?  
Juliette was very clear to mention that she was going to show Jack "To Kill a Mockingbird".  Why?  Are there any of you literary types out there can draw a connection?  I know that the character Atticus defends a black man who was falsely accused of rape in the deep south, there are the creepy neighbors of Scout and her brother (I think his name was Jim) who actually end up saving Scouts life.  Is this a reference to the relationship between Ben, Jack and Juliette?
Who knows?  I do believe however that Juliette will turn out to be the bad guy.
Title: Re: The many signs of Juliette
Post by: PrincessLeia on November 03, 2006, 07:21:37 PM
It's a fun idea, but let's whittle away the more improbable bits until we have the most likely scenario.

- Ben saw his own x-rays long ago and saw the obvious tumor.
- He found out a spinal surgeon fell from the sky
- He concocted a plan to abduct that Dr and other characters for their particular usefulness
- This convoluted plan involved coercing Jack into wanting to do the surgery1
- Juliet saw an opportunity and began her own counter-play
- She manipulated events so that Jack would see the X-rays2
- Ben was duped into confirming that the X-Rays were his.

I think Jack is going to murder Ben and be sorry (literally...as in repenting) about it later.  Ben was probably keeping the fractured Others under control in the way only a tyrant can...through unpleasantness.  Without him, things are going to get worse for the Losties.




1Whenever the show addresses confidence games, this is a predominant theme: trick them into wanting to go along.
2The hood could've been left on until Jack entered the operating room. Wasn't she the one doing the reassuring when others were concerned about him seeing the medical area they were in? 

I agree with all of this except that I do NOT think Jack will kill Ben.  He'll operate to save him & try to help Juliet in another way.  He'll try to do both.
Title: Re: The many signs of Juliette
Post by: jugdish on November 03, 2006, 07:30:36 PM
It would be very hard to believe that Juliette came up with the card idea the day that the plane crashed. Way to many variables for her to do that. She did it very recent for all the reasons that Creflo said.

I hate disagreeing with ladybug, but sometimes it happens :'(

If Jack kills Ben on purpose how long do you think he will sob for??

(its a joke chelle ;D)
Title: Re: The many signs of Juliette
Post by: QUACKY on November 03, 2006, 08:41:03 PM
I don't think Juliette and Ben are in on this particular scam together.  Juliette was not upset with Ben for anyone's sake but ours before the plane crashed.  I don't "trust" her and I hope Jack won't.  I think she wants to be in charge and she want's to convince Jack to kill Ben on the operating table (which I don't think he would do because of his hypocratic oath).  I don't trust anyone who has to keep telling me to trust them.  Everyone thinks Ben is the bad one but maybe not...the others have been saying that "we don't kill" to those we know HAVE killed.  She convinces Jack to do it so she doesn't have to.
Title: Re: The many signs of Juliette
Post by: lostcause on November 03, 2006, 08:48:36 PM
Ben was conning Jack once more. Jullite asking Jack to boff Ben would endear our hero to the villan. Thus Jullitte a mere player in the twisted mind of Ben. :o
Title: Re: The many signs of Juliette
Post by: stephen on November 03, 2006, 11:14:21 PM
I think Juliette is sincere. She wants Ben gone but I don't see in her any lust for power (taking Bens spot as leader). I don't think this is a con that her and Ben are in on together. Whenever Ben is unconcious under the knife theres not going to be anything he can do no matter what Jacks decision is. I think Juliette loves Jack and has been falling for him since the first day they met.

What I base all of this on is the behavior between Juliette and Ben. If they were friendly with each other while not in Jacks presense then I would suspect her of a trick. But it just doesn't make sense to me.

Title: Re: The many signs of Juliette
Post by: HurleysGirl on November 04, 2006, 10:30:31 AM
Personally, I think it would rock if Jack botched the operation, then found inner peace/redemption so he could be killed off ;D ;D ;D  Much rather see Jack go than my man Eko fer shure.
Title: Re: The many signs of Juliette
Post by: Ladybug on November 04, 2006, 10:37:27 AM
Personally, I think it would rock if Jack botched the operation, then found inner peace/redemption so he could be killed off ;D ;D ;D  Much rather see Jack go than my man Eko fer shure.
i like your line of thinking!! 

good to see you, been missing you in these parts!
Title: Re: The many signs of Juliette
Post by: FrostyLosty on November 04, 2006, 11:25:17 AM
I'm sorry if this has already been adressed, but at the beginning of Season 3, Juliet seemed very upset before the Book Club, so she may have recorded that just before the opening scene. Very interesting stuff, great find!
If this is true, this must mean that the crash was planned, all these chosen people (Jack, Kate, Sawyer) are relevant to the Others in some way.
Also, this must mean that what everything is happening to Jack is pre-meditated some while ago, all these mind games being set apon him.
Title: Re: The many signs of Juliette
Post by: Michelle13 on November 04, 2006, 03:07:26 PM
It would be very hard to believe that Juliette came up with the card idea the day that the plane crashed. Way to many variables for her to do that. She did it very recent for all the reasons that Creflo said.

I hate disagreeing with ladybug, but sometimes it happens :'(

If Jack kills Ben on purpose how long do you think he will sob for??

(its a joke chelle ;D)

Premeditated card writing, isn't that an offense worthy of life in prison.

LOL

And juggy must pay for the sobbing comments.  >:(


I think the cards were made while Jack was there in captivity.
Title: Re: The many signs of Juliette
Post by: Wishbone on November 04, 2006, 05:31:53 PM
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She lloks to be wearing the same clothes on the TV as she is in the book club but her hair is different - her hair is also different to how she looks showing Jack the tapes and she is wearing different clothes. Since you can change your clothes and tie your hair back anytime it doesn't really give any clue as to when it was filmed - I wouldn't trust her though, I think it's part of a con
Title: Re: The many signs of Juliette
Post by: jodeci on November 04, 2006, 05:43:58 PM
I'm sorry if this has already been adressed, but at the beginning of Season 3, Juliet seemed very upset before the Book Club, so she may have recorded that just before the opening scene. Very interesting stuff, great find!
If this is true, this must mean that the crash was planned, all these chosen people (Jack, Kate, Sawyer) are relevant to the Others in some way.
Also, this must mean that what everything is happening to Jack is pre-meditated some while ago, all these mind games being set apon him.

what if juliet is in on the whole thing, but benry isn't?   like, whoever juliet works for, dharma, hanso, widmore, whoever, she's known all along and been in on the whole everybody on the plane, the plane crashes, our chosen losties survive etc, and benry is just a pawn in her game?  maybe she is 'him' or a close associate of 'him'  and there is a whole other thing going on than what benry thinks
Title: Re: The many signs of Juliette
Post by: jugdish on November 04, 2006, 06:22:58 PM
It just is to far fetched to think that they planned this 69 days ago, Again way to many variables to predict, even in a tv show.
Title: Re: The many signs of Juliette
Post by: YouAllEverybody on November 07, 2006, 03:04:16 AM
I agree with everyone on the board here that says no "other" should be trusted... although.. I'm starting to think that there might be TWO groups of others on the islands...
Title: Re: The many signs of Juliette
Post by: Creflo on November 07, 2006, 10:11:45 AM
Juliet will lead the 'Nothers in a revolt after Jack murders Ben. 

Jack's sin will finally give the Smoke a reason to judge him and he'll be asked to repent.
Title: Re: The many signs of Juliette
Post by: jugdish on November 07, 2006, 11:13:11 AM
Interesting thought, but I don't think Jack will kill Ben, I am not sure he will even get the opportunity to because something may happen to change everything.
Title: Re: The many signs of Juliette
Post by: Sweet Old Lady on November 07, 2006, 12:00:18 PM
Jack wouldn't kill Ben on purpose, but the surgery is very risky.  And he hasn't done a thorough examination of Ben.  Maybe it's too late to save him.  But you know Jack.  He never quits once he starts.  I think he won't operate at all.
Title: Re: The many signs of Juliette
Post by: msdoran on November 07, 2006, 01:06:32 PM
I just wanted to add another two cents to this great discussion. I have worked with PhD's, and academics before, and they are undoubtedly very smart especially when they have time to think things through. Their faults are that they can get really cocky, and can also be very quick to underestimate a person who they feel is not at their same intelligence level, and I think this is the case here. They are faced with working with people from many different walks of life, and will not always make the correct decisions.  I think they are going to overestimate their abilities, and underestimate the losties, and this should make for some interesting drama after the (you're not going to miss lost for three months are you?) break.
Title: Re: The many signs of Juliette
Post by: jugdish on November 07, 2006, 01:09:01 PM
I hope you are right because we need the 3 losties to get off the alcatraz and reunited in the near future.
Title: Re: The many signs of Juliette
Post by: msdoran on November 07, 2006, 01:20:18 PM
Seems to me that there is still a societal structure in the others village. They have lower IQ folks who provide security (pickett, etc), do manual labor, etc, while people with advanced degrees and education (Juliet, and I am sure others) are in more management type of positions.  They look at the big picture.

The problem is that we just don't know enough about the Others social structure to be able to even make an educated guess.

Juliet says there are others who think like her, and want there to be a change, so there has to also be people who are pretty happy with the status quo and are happy with Ben.

I'll tell you who I would be vary wary of, and that is Mr. Friendly. he is both smart, and capable of violence. He reminds me of an old Seargant in the military, a high level NCO, and ask anyone in the Military and they will tell you that it is the NCO's who run the military on a day to day basis.

So another question to speculate about. What would the others do to Juliet if they find out what she is planning?
Title: Re: The many signs of Juliette
Post by: MangoBingo on May 27, 2008, 03:02:13 PM
I agree with everyone on the board here that says no "other" should be trusted... although.. I'm starting to think that there might be TWO groups of others on the islands...

I'm starting to think so too. I just don't think it's clearly defined at the moment.