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Episode Discussion (Spoiler Free) => Season 3 => Episode 3x05 => Topic started by: Gordon Shumway on November 01, 2006, 11:17:11 PM

Title: "We're next"
Post by: Gordon Shumway on November 01, 2006, 11:17:11 PM
Why do you think that is?  Has everyone in the Pearl group killed someone or is a "bad" person?

Your thoughts?
Title: Re: "We're next"
Post by: *MaZ* on November 01, 2006, 11:29:06 PM
everybody is a bad person...who's to decide?
Title: Re: "We're next"
Post by: jugdish on November 01, 2006, 11:30:02 PM
I have no idea what this meant. Locke's faith is in the island and know he is hearing that they are next. Is he going to lose his faith again?

Why did smokey turn on Eko, is it going to come after all of them?
Title: Re: "We're next"
Post by: stephen on November 01, 2006, 11:32:52 PM
At this point in the game I'm not even sure the writers know whats going on. I guess thats what you get for having different writers for every episode.
Title: Re: "We're next"
Post by: musicotb on November 01, 2006, 11:33:46 PM
perhaps it's not that they're next to die, but rather that they are next to be judged?  Perhaps Eko just had the most sin on his shoulders, and had to face his actions first??? I'm just yapping, I have no clue.
Title: Re: "We're next"
Post by: Creampop on November 01, 2006, 11:44:45 PM
I am wondering if Eko had answered differently if he would have lived like if he had confessed and repented...but because of his answer that he was a bad man he was killed.
Title: Re: "We're next"
Post by: jugdish on November 01, 2006, 11:48:00 PM
I like the idea that they are next to be judged and not to die. Eko was defiant to the end, maybe he would of lived if he repented.

The others don't appear to have anything to do with what is going on the losties side of the island
Title: Re: "We're next"
Post by: skbrad76 on November 01, 2006, 11:48:44 PM
I hate to be the English major, but if Eko said "You're next", it is not specific if he means Locke or everyone.
Title: Re: "We're next"
Post by: jugdish on November 01, 2006, 11:51:53 PM
We do not know how Eko said it, he used more than two words, Locke paraphrased it for the losties.
Title: Re: "We're next"
Post by: Gordon Shumway on November 01, 2006, 11:54:09 PM
I hope the two newbies are "next".  She's pleasant to look at, but otherwise they suck
Title: Re: "We're next"
Post by: jugdish on November 02, 2006, 12:10:38 AM
Agreed big time.
Title: Re: "We're next"
Post by: DaddyBeast on November 02, 2006, 12:21:28 AM
Smokie was all over the place tonight, and TPTB really want us to believe that Yemi and Smokie were working together or one in the same.

Also, Yemi kept asking Eko to confess, but that was the one theme through Eko's flashbacks.  Locke and the losties didn't have that same theme, so I don't think they will be asked to confess.

They may be "next", but I don't think the same thing will happen.

...and give Paulo and Nikki a break.
Title: Re: "We're next"
Post by: jugdish on November 02, 2006, 12:23:26 AM
Even though everyone was asking for Eko to confess his sins, he refused to do it. THis had to be why eko was killed.
Title: Re: "We're next"
Post by: Cardacct on November 02, 2006, 02:14:40 AM
May I remind y'all that Smokie the Monster actually left Eko after he refused to confess, but Eko chased after Smokie.  Yes, Smokie did kill Eko, but Eko was chasing Smokie, so it may not have been Smokie's original intention to break Eko at that point.

Also, did you like that clicking noise that Smokie was making, like unto the other episodes, like when Walt appeared, etc.?  (I think the Walt apparition had the clickies, anyway.  At least one of the other "hallucinations" had it.)
Title: Re: "We're next"
Post by: San Diego Johnny on November 02, 2006, 02:21:26 AM
I hate to be the English major, but if Eko said "You're next", it is not specific if he means Locke or everyone.
He probably said "You, all, are next."  So there, English major!  :)
Title: Re: "We're next"
Post by: demra on November 02, 2006, 02:35:21 AM
May I remind y'all that Smokie the Monster actually left Eko after he refused to confess, but Eko chased after Smokie.  Yes, Smokie did kill Eko, but Eko was chasing Smokie, so it may not have been Smokie's original intention to break Eko at that point.

Also, did you like that clicking noise that Smokie was making, like unto the other episodes, like when Walt appeared, etc.?  (I think the Walt apparition had the clickies, anyway.  At least one of the other "hallucinations" had it.)


If smokie had not intended to kill echo  it could have    * poofed*  at anytime and been gone

it does seem that Echos death was directly tied to his unwillingness to confess his sins and that smokie made a "judgement' about that decission
Title: Re: "We're next"
Post by: San Diego Johnny on November 02, 2006, 02:39:38 AM
If smokie had not intended to kill echo  it could have    * poofed*  at anytime and been gone

it does seem that Echos death was directly tied to his unwillingness to confess his sins and that smokie made a "judgement' about that decission

I agree it would have wisped away and the unwillingness to confess led to Eko's demise.  On by the way, this is a law nitpick, there is only one "e" in judgment.  :) 
Title: Re: "We're next"
Post by: demra on November 02, 2006, 02:42:17 AM
LOL  so sue me ;)

and yes  i am making a jokee   ;D

i am just to lazy to use the spell check when i respond to things sometimes

Title: Re: "We're next"
Post by: this is some crazy stuff on November 02, 2006, 02:52:52 AM
actually i dont think he said that at all

what i heard was Smoke Monster.

go back and listen im pretty sure thats what he said
Title: Re: "We're next"
Post by: demra on November 02, 2006, 02:58:48 AM
you could be right i just replayed the scene and it is not clear but to me but you could be right  it sort of sounded like smoke something

nice catch
Title: Re: "We're next"
Post by: nothingbutsky on November 02, 2006, 03:02:24 AM
May I remind y'all that Smokie the Monster actually left Eko after he refused to confess, but Eko chased after Smokie.

Not really, Echo chased after his brother...it hasn't been proved that Smokester can change into people...

There may be more than 1 Smokester come to think of it! Maybe a "communicator" and an "exterminator"...just a thought!
Title: Re: "We're next"
Post by: Cardacct on November 02, 2006, 03:20:17 AM
Tonight in chat, Linuses_Blanket did mention the cerebrus had three heads.  Are you going for something similar to that?
Title: Re: "We're next"
Post by: demra on November 02, 2006, 03:35:38 AM
hmmm the 3 headed gaurd dog of hell
interesting link with the other religious themes in the show
Title: Re: "We're next"
Post by: BlackrockBob on November 02, 2006, 02:30:01 PM
I think it is more that the other Survivors are next to be judged, not killed.

Eko wouldn't confess to doing anything he did to help people.
Does anyone really think that he was going to sell the vaccine? That was a trap for those
guys to come back and for Eko to kill them. He planned that. He gave the vaccine to the village, but he also caused them to loose a church.

Did anyone catch that Locke say Light when he looked at Smokie, but Eko saw black?
Title: Re: "We're next"
Post by: kissinggabriela on November 02, 2006, 02:37:46 PM
Did anyone have close captioning on 1) when Eko was whispering to Locke and 2) when Ben was giving the eulogy?  Did the cc reveal anything?
Title: Re: "We're next"
Post by: nothingbutsky on November 02, 2006, 03:32:31 PM
Let me think..."you're next"...

I've got it!

It's so simple now...the island is actually the worlds most exculsive restaraunt and Smokester is the matre'de!  :D

...well, it's as good as some of the theories out there...

Title: Re: "We're next"
Post by: E-Rich on November 02, 2006, 07:37:31 PM
Did anyone have close captioning on 1) when Eko was whispering to Locke and 2) when Ben was giving the eulogy?  Did the cc reveal anything?

I had my CC on - and I didn't get anything from Eko or from Ben in the scenes in question.  My CC could be really cruddy though...it messed up some of the words other people said....
Title: Re: "We're next"
Post by: deadpolarbear on November 03, 2006, 09:57:20 AM
i had the impression that he told locke 'You're next' because he knew he had encountered smokie before.. then locke simply got his interpretation wrong...
Title: Re: "We're next"
Post by: beanblog on November 03, 2006, 12:29:59 PM
Yeah - the whole "You're next" think has me a bit confused.  But I'm atleast glad that Locke actually told us what he said rather than just seeing the big LOST letters and making us wait!

I think that Smokey is some kind of technology run amuck and may think he's God.  This would fit in well with the 3-head thing... a "trinity"?
Title: Re: "We're next"
Post by: jugdish on November 03, 2006, 12:39:01 PM
They are next to be judged not necessarily killed.
Title: Re: "We're next"
Post by: demra on November 03, 2006, 12:53:57 PM
Locke said  Echo told him  'Were next "  i know it is nitpicky  but it does make a difference
Title: Re: "We're next"
Post by: goober on November 03, 2006, 01:05:04 PM
I think you can read too much into this. Locke stated that "We're next", but he heard it from Eko. Thus Eko most likely said "You're next" or "You're all next" or something like that. Could mean Locke, could mean all of them, could mean some of them, could be the mumblings of a dying man. Have to wait for the official transcript to see if Eko's mumblings are on there or not.
Title: Re: "We're next"
Post by: Ladybug on November 03, 2006, 01:37:26 PM
I think you can read too much into this. Locke stated that "We're next", but he heard it from Eko. Thus Eko most likely said "You're next" or "You're all next" or something like that. Could mean Locke, could mean all of them, could mean some of them, could be the mumblings of a dying man. Have to wait for the official transcript to see if Eko's mumblings are on there or not.
he could have said y'all
Title: Re: "We're next"
Post by: demra on November 03, 2006, 01:52:53 PM
lol a redneck nigerian   lmao  ;D
Title: Re: "We're next"
Post by: Ladybug on November 03, 2006, 02:01:03 PM
lol a redneck nigerian   lmao  ;D
they come in all shapes
Title: Re: "We're next"
Post by: demra on November 03, 2006, 02:06:07 PM
i live in montana

tell me about it  LOL
Title: Re: "We're next"
Post by: uofapiglet on November 03, 2006, 03:07:45 PM
I think it is more that the other Survivors are next to be judged, not killed.

Eko wouldn't confess to doing anything he did to help people.
Does anyone really think that he was going to sell the vaccine? That was a trap for those
guys to come back and for Eko to kill them. He planned that. He gave the vaccine to the village, but he also caused them to loose a church.

Did anyone catch that Locke say Light when he looked at Smokie, but Eko saw black?

I totally agree with BRBob about the judgment part and not meaning death exactly... And I think I wrote about Eko and Locke possibly not seeing eye-to-eye (or not talking about the same thing) about what they saw in another thread... gotta go find it...
Title: Re: "We're next"
Post by: FiveApples on November 03, 2006, 09:54:34 PM
Hey Everyone!!!

Okay, I had to register to say this!!!!

I cranked the surround sound up all the way when Echo whispered to Locke...  I believe he said...

I Con-Fess     .. not

U Are next

Just thought I'd let you know!  Hit rewind and crank it up!!

RIP Mr. Echo.

lOVE, THE NEWBIE... FIVEAPPLES
Title: Re: "We're next"
Post by: Michelle13 on November 03, 2006, 10:15:45 PM
Even though everyone was asking for Eko to confess his sins, he refused to do it. THis had to be why eko was killed.


But he did repent! There were a few different times..I won't go thru the whole thing but I've posted my thoughts about this in a different thread, I'll find it and edit my post here.


 Repentance  (http://lost.cubit.net/forum/index.php?topic=3059.msg123976#msg123976)
Title: Re: "We're next"
Post by: jugdish on November 04, 2006, 02:10:11 AM
The key here is that he did not repent when smokie demanded it. Right or wrong smokie was judging him and smokie did not like eko's response.
Title: Re: "We're next"
Post by: Michelle13 on November 04, 2006, 06:08:21 AM
The key here is that he did not repent when smokie demanded it. Right or wrong smokie was judging him and smokie did not like eko's response.

I just don't agree that "smokie" is someone that can judge character and when a person has had true confession in their heart and mind. I can't firgure out this THING, but I think it is given too much credit.
Title: Re: "We're next"
Post by: Wishbone on November 04, 2006, 04:11:27 PM

I think it is to do with judgement and that is what they mean by you're next, rather than next to die.

I also think that Smokie is somehow controlled by the others but not sure how. I had a look on another site where they have broken the audio down into each channel and made transcripts of what is said.

The first time that smokie was around in the pilot the transcript was:

(Monster at the Beach)
-----
CENTER CHANNEL:
"You aren't joking" (1 sec)
"What a lousy thing..." (2 sec)
"I don't care what we do to them" (5 sec)
"Whatever we do we best do it ('fast' or 'right')" (8 sec)
"We can undo this" (14 sec)
"Bring enough men to do it right" (18 sec)
"How many do you want us to do it with" (20 sec)
"Twenty-seven" or "Tough to say" (21 sec)
"New idea" (sped up; 23 sec)
"Now you're just winging it" (23 sec)
"We don't have time for loose ends" (25 sec)
-----
LEFT & RIGHT CHANNELS:
"You aren't joking" (1 sec)
"What a lousy thing to go through" (3 sec)
"They're ruining the plan" (5 sec)
"Crash victims" (8 sec)
"Maybe they didn't hear me" (8.5 sec)
"What do you want to do" (background; during horn sound; 10 sec)
"To them" (11 sec)
"You know crash victims... can't keep ('our' or 'them') secret" (13 sec)
"I ('wondered' or 'wanted') the same thing" (17 sec)
"Why are you asking what I think?" (20 sec)
"That's not what I was doing" (22 sec)


(Monster at the Cockpit)
-----
CENTER CHANNEL:
"We could've handled it" (3 sec)
"Their now an intruder" (4 sec)
"Tell them that we located it and they will be soon be going" (6 sec)
"What are you going to do" (9 sec)
"Will you get going" (11 sec)
"There's no telling when they'll leave" (13 sec)
"Do you know what to do with them if they don't leave" (14 sec)
"Do you remember what the plan was" (17 sec)
"Look, now they've found another one" (19 sec)
"Okay, stick to the plan" (20 sec)
"Alright, no sign of any problem... it's quiet" (24 sec)
"Stand ready" (27 sec)
"Go for control of the window, we'll cover you" (29 sec)
"Keep them from suspecting anything" (35 sec)
"And don't let anyone else to know we're here" (36 sec)
"They've already seen" (40 sec)
"Don't let them go free" (42 sec)
"Don't matter" (48 sec)
"Did you see the scared look on their faces" (48 sec)
"Okay, follow them" (56 sec)
"Make him run for his life" (61 sec)
"Keep running, keep... damn, he did get far enough" (66 sec)
Kate hides in the tree
"Bet that lightning bolt scared her" (88 sec)
"What we're gonna do is separate you" (91 sec)
"Do you like the way you left him to be eaten" (93 sec)
-----
LEFT & RIGHT CHANNELS:
"Tell me when you're ready" (1 sec)
"We could've handled it" (2 sec)
"They're now an intruder" (3 sec)
"They're not leaving" (4 sec)
"Before you..." (5 sec)
"Try and get to the tower..." (5.5 sec)
"You hearing me at all" (6 sec)
"Interference" (7 sec)
"Hello" (7.5 sec)
"Can you hear" (8 sec)
"There it is" (8.5 sec)
"I didn't hear anything" (very faint; 9 sec)
"Quiet" (10 sec)
"Look they helped their captain" (11 sec)
"Hurry it up" (13 sec)
"Let him see you... then try to grab him" (14 sec)
"Kill all of them" (26 sec)
"I told you the plan" (27 sec)
"Kill the pilot, chase them away" (55 sec)
"They really got after it" (77 sec)


From these, and the other transcripts, it sounds to me like the others watching the losties but if thats the case then I don't know why they needed to send Ethan and Goodwin. Just found it interesting - no transcripts of this epi are on there yet though.
Title: Re: "We're next"
Post by: FrostyLosty on November 04, 2006, 04:20:59 PM
Is is just me, or does Locke want to put fear into all the Losties minds... From what I've heard Eko was saying 'The Lord is my Shepard' The same prayer Eko and Charlie said together when they burnt the drugs plane.
The question is, why would Locke want to put fear into their minds? To convince them to go with them in a plot to save Jack, Kate and Sawyer? Or just a simple plot to make sure he is in control of the camp? Perhaps he just mis-heard him? :D
Title: Re: "We're next"
Post by: Wishbone on November 04, 2006, 04:37:02 PM
I'm not sure that Locke is that devious, IMHO
Title: Re: "We're next"
Post by: FrostyLosty on November 04, 2006, 05:03:13 PM
I'm not sure that Locke is that devious, IMHO
I didn't think Sun would shoot someone. I thought the Glass Ballerina clarified that anyone is capable of anything.
Title: Re: "We're next"
Post by: Wishbone on November 04, 2006, 05:05:41 PM
I'm not sure that Locke is that devious, IMHO
I didn't think Sun would shoot someone. I thought the Glass Ballerina clarified that anyone is capable of anything.

Agreed, but I still think Locke is too decent, especially now he has his faith back
Title: Re: "We're next"
Post by: FrostyLosty on November 04, 2006, 07:22:16 PM
I'm not sure that Locke is that devious, IMHO
I didn't think Sun would shoot someone. I thought the Glass Ballerina clarified that anyone is capable of anything.

Agreed, but I still think Locke is too decent, especially now he has his faith back
True. The thing is, that I believe Locke thinks he is now taking the role of the new 'Leader' of the Losties and he may of said that to try and do whats best for the group. But it does seem a bit farfeched, especailly for Locke now, I agree.
Title: Re: "We're next"
Post by: JBRam on November 04, 2006, 08:33:28 PM
I'd say Eko said "you're next" and was talking to Locke, the only other man of faith on the island.
Title: Re: "We're next"
Post by: jugdish on November 05, 2006, 12:07:34 PM
The key here is that he did not repent when smokie demanded it. Right or wrong smokie was judging him and smokie did not like eko's response.

I just don't agree that "smokie" is someone that can judge character and when a person has had true confession in their heart and mind. I can't firgure out this THING, but I think it is given too much credit.

Definetely can judge character and make judgments. We saw it download Eko's thoughts last season.
Title: Re: "We're next"
Post by: Michelle13 on November 05, 2006, 12:09:15 PM
The key here is that he did not repent when smokie demanded it. Right or wrong smokie was judging him and smokie did not like eko's response.

I just don't agree that "smokie" is someone that can judge character and when a person has had true confession in their heart and mind. I can't firgure out this THING, but I think it is given too much credit.

Definetely can judge character and make judgments. We saw it download Eko's thoughts last season.

So we don't beat a dead horse or whatever that phrase is...I will agree to disagree with you Mr Juggy  :-* I still think you're the hottest teacher at your school.  ;)
Title: Re: "We're next"
Post by: jugdish on November 05, 2006, 12:15:14 PM
We sure can, I just don't see why people are having a hard time with this. The episode was very clear with everyone telling him to confess and Eko's refusal not to and him being squashed.

I believe it is another example of the producers/writers being very straight forward with us, and people not listenting. Like I did not listen with Jae's suicide.
Title: Re: "We're next"
Post by: Michelle13 on November 05, 2006, 12:16:43 PM
So what's your take on the "we're next" comment??
Title: Re: "We're next"
Post by: jugdish on November 05, 2006, 12:18:19 PM
i believe that it means that they are next to be judged. Their responses to the judgment will determine if they live or die.
Title: Re: "We're next"
Post by: Michelle13 on November 05, 2006, 12:48:36 PM
So if a person that the "smokie" chooses confesses their sin ...they live? To do what? Commit again? Man this confuses me lol
Title: Re: "We're next"
Post by: jugdish on November 05, 2006, 01:05:10 PM
To live their life they way they wanted to on the island.
Title: Re: "We're next"
Post by: jugdish on November 05, 2006, 01:06:16 PM
Remeber the tag line in the previews of the season.

Who will I choose to be.

Eko chose to be the same person. So he is dead.



(that was a great post by me..)
Title: Re: "We're next"
Post by: Dubplate on November 06, 2006, 01:12:36 PM
What if the man with the eye patch was controlling the smoke monster from another station?
Title: Re: "We're next"
Post by: jugdish on November 06, 2006, 01:21:02 PM
It is possible, I don't think so . I think he doing some task like the other hatches.
Title: Re: "We're next"
Post by: uofapiglet on November 06, 2006, 02:45:54 PM
Remeber the tag line in the previews of the season.

Who will I choose to be.

Eko chose to be the same person. So he is dead.

(that was a great post by me..)

It was a great post Juggy, interesting thoughts on smokie...

But my thoughts on this are: if smokie exists to judge worth (dead or alive), is it merely an issue of who one chooses to be? And does this deal more with fate vs. free will, based on a person's repentance/acceptance/atonement? Refusal to (and fear of) change is a prevalent theme on the island, but I don't neccessarily think it means death if someone cannot come to terms with their "sins" the way smokie wants them to...

Thus, when Locke says "we're next", does it serve more as a warning or as a code of conduct for how to act on the island? IMHO, I think it's more of a precaution to our losties rather than an actual threat to kill... we know that smokie can kill (he achieved that with the pilot and eko) but we still don't understand how or why it chooses it's victims... i suppose we'll find out eventually how important this smoke monster is to the show...
Title: Re: "We're next"
Post by: Creflo on November 06, 2006, 04:37:11 PM
I think that there are the good ones and the bad ones.  Some of the bad folks are redeemable.  They just have to repent.

Almost every main character did bad things, and some have made efforts to repent.

- Kate did bad things and seems unrepentant.  She's with the Others.
- Sawyer did bad things and is mostly unrepentant (he set up the fund for the daughter).  He's with the Others.
- Jack didn't really do bad things.  The Others want him (to join?), so he's in a different situation from the above.
- Hurley didn't seem to be a bad person (iirc).  He was released by the Others.

- Eko did horrible things. He was given the option to repent and refused.
Title: Re: "We're next"
Post by: Gordon Shumway on November 06, 2006, 11:27:26 PM
What if the man with the eye patch was controlling the smoke monster from another station?

Flame...smoke...hmmm...
Title: Re: "We're next"
Post by: PrincessLeia on November 07, 2006, 02:23:22 AM
What if the man with the eye patch was controlling the smoke monster from another station?

Flame...smoke...hmmm...

very interesting observation.

Also-  don't forget what Danielle called Smoky- the "security system."  What does a security system do, but protect something.  I think Smoky is guarding some aspect of the the island's secrets, & because Eko was so strong in who he was & what actions he took in his life, Smoky viewed him as a threat, so he killed him.  I think Eko's words to Locke were like a warning not to upset Smoky or they would face the same consequence.
Title: Re: "We're next"
Post by: Wishbone on November 07, 2006, 11:44:00 AM
Don't forget that when Locke and Ecko were talking about the monster Locke described it as a bright white light - is this because he hasn't any need to repent?
Title: Re: "We're next"
Post by: jugdish on November 07, 2006, 01:09:58 PM
What if the man with the eye patch was controlling the smoke monster from another station?

Flame...smoke...hmmm...

very interesting observation.

Also-  don't forget what Danielle called Smoky- the "security system."  What does a security system do, but protect something.  I think Smoky is guarding some aspect of the the island's secrets, & because Eko was so strong in who he was & what actions he took in his life, Smoky viewed him as a threat, so he killed him.  I think Eko's words to Locke were like a warning not to upset Smoky or they would face the same consequence.

I agree that it is protecting somethin,