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Title: The Kiss was worth it
Post by: BlackrockBob on October 11, 2006, 10:40:38 PM
I just laughed as Sawyer poured out the water and then went and kissed Kate.
He knew what he was in for, and did it anyway. I hate to think he did it just for a distraction to get a gun.

What does everyone else think? He kissed her because he watched her bend over all day, or a distraction to escape?
Title: Re: The Kiss was worth it
Post by: AmazonMonkey on October 11, 2006, 10:53:57 PM
I just laughed as Sawyer poured out the water and then went and kissed Kate.
He knew what he was in for, and did it anyway. I hate to think he did it just for a distraction to get a gun.

What does everyone else think? He kissed her because he watched her bend over all day, or a distraction to escape?

I think he did it for several reasons... one is heck its Kate... and two he needed a reason for Danny to come up to him, and cause a scene with the guns an tasers.  He was being a hero in tough guy Sawyer fasion.
Title: Re: The Kiss was worth it
Post by: JBRam on October 11, 2006, 11:04:22 PM
I thought it was because he was guilty for pouring out the water and wanted to give Kate something to um... drink ;)
Title: Re: The Kiss was worth it
Post by: Hosek on October 11, 2006, 11:07:33 PM
If I'm not mistaken, he did it in order to get the Others to rush him so he could get a judge of them in a fight.  He explained it to Kate in their last scene.
Title: Re: The Kiss was worth it
Post by: Michelle13 on October 11, 2006, 11:08:17 PM
If I'm not mistaken, he did it in order to get the Others to rush him so he could get a judge of them in a fight.  He explained it to Kate in their last scene.

Not spoken in such a blunt way but assumed...
Title: Re: The Kiss was worth it
Post by: JBRam on October 11, 2006, 11:09:50 PM
Possibly, but I don't think that that was his original intention if you know what I mean. He wouldn't put Kate in that much danger intentionally. He's too much of a softy.
Title: Re: The Kiss was worth it
Post by: jugdish on October 11, 2006, 11:23:48 PM
People the show does come right out and tell us some things. He explained it clearly to Kate. He wanted to see what the others were made of. He now has important information. Sometimes a cigar is a cigar.
Title: Re: The Kiss was worth it
Post by: JBRam on October 11, 2006, 11:52:13 PM
The problem is now that he said it out loud, the OTHERS know.

Stupid of him. Of course they are monitoring him!

Oh, and think about those lengthy discussions about the cigarette. Please don't go there...
Title: Re: The Kiss was worth it
Post by: jugdish on October 12, 2006, 12:17:54 AM
The problem is now that he said it out loud, the OTHERS know.

Stupid of him. Of course they are monitoring him!

Oh, and think about those lengthy discussions about the cigarette. Please don't go there...

He has to talk to her though.
Title: Re: The Kiss was worth it
Post by: JBRam on October 12, 2006, 12:23:58 AM
yeah, and to us, too...
Title: Re: The Kiss was worth it
Post by: jugdish on October 12, 2006, 12:25:33 AM
He saw the camera, he probably did not think it was miced.
Title: Re: The Kiss was worth it
Post by: jordangr7 on October 12, 2006, 12:36:06 AM
i didnt pick that up that he just did that to find out what they would do...i guess i was just overwhelmed by the girls on my floor who i was watching it with who were like ohhhh thats so cute thats my favorite moment ever on lost
Title: Re: The Kiss was worth it
Post by: scrod on October 12, 2006, 12:40:49 AM
Sawyer is definitely not a brain surgeon, but he has enough of a con and tough guy in him to size people up.
Title: Re: The Kiss was worth it
Post by: jugdish on October 12, 2006, 12:53:16 AM
Sawyer is definitely not a brain surgeon, but he has enough of a con and tough guy in him to size people up.

He has his skills that will come in handy in this situation
Title: Re: The Kiss was worth it
Post by: JBRam on October 12, 2006, 01:04:40 AM
Right, but the OTHERS are smarter and have more firepower. Sawyer won't get away too easily.
Title: Re: The Kiss was worth it
Post by: Austruck on October 12, 2006, 01:16:11 AM
I just watched this scene again. Seems apparent to me that his initial reason was just watching Kate -- who looked particularly downtrodden and defeated right at that moment -- and wanting to make her feel better any way he could. With all the bonds that develop in a situation like this, a kiss was the most natural way to do that. If he'd had the water, he might have given her that instead.

But, his look was sadness and pity for Kate looking so tired and bedraggled.
Title: Re: The Kiss was worth it
Post by: JBRam on October 12, 2006, 01:18:06 AM
That's what I thought... he was guilty he dumped out the water.
Title: Re: The Kiss was worth it
Post by: uofapiglet on October 12, 2006, 01:29:16 AM
hahaha... sawyer called kate strawberry "shortcake"...

i've been waiting for them to kiss forever... but i agree with austruck that sawyer probably felt bad about wasting the water... his observations of the others' prowess might have served as an alterior motive, but c'mon, what guy would've resisted kissing kate given the circumstances... fish biscuit breath and all...

anyway, i thought it was a sincere and sweet kiss...
Title: Re: The Kiss was worth it
Post by: JBRam on October 12, 2006, 01:33:27 AM
Not like the ones he tries to pass over on his con victims.
Title: Re: The Kiss was worth it
Post by: mindsparkle on October 12, 2006, 03:12:11 AM
I think he felt bad for dumping the water out in defiance when he saw Kate so tired and thristy and worn down...

and it pissed him off, so he did the one thing that would make him and Kate feel better, he kissed her passionately, to let her know she was important to him and that he cared... he also did it defiantly...

spilled water is one thing but try is on... you scummy others... 

I was just surprised that Kate didn't get into the action, she's usually more of a fighter... she is getting done in, run down and Sawyer if seeing and feeling it for her...
Title: Re: The Kiss was worth it
Post by: Dubplate on October 12, 2006, 09:59:28 AM
Right, but the OTHERS are smarter and have more firepower. Sawyer won't get away too easily.

Sawyer will play all the cards that he's dealt. He's already seen a relationship between Pickett, the man that's treated him like dirt, and Colleen. He'll use that to his advantage.

Also, I think he spilled out the water because he's on to Juliet. The "good cop, bad cop" routine won't work so easily on a con man.
Title: Re: The Kiss was worth it
Post by: jugdish on October 12, 2006, 12:26:49 PM
They won't break Sawyer.
Title: Re: The Kiss was worth it
Post by: demra on October 12, 2006, 12:47:35 PM
I think it was  just like Juggy said 
it all had to do with gathering intel on the others
watch sawyers expression
he knew it would draw the others to attack

he now knows the strengths and weakness of the others holding them
 and it doesnot matter that Ben was listening
it is not like he is not expecting some kind of escape plan  and sawyer did not say anything that had details of a plan
just  that
now we wait for them to make a mistake

as to kate not fighting more

she was visibly exhausted from the labor of the day
but  i also think there is a threat hanging over her head that is holding her back from acting

oh  and YES the kiss was totally worth it 

Title: Re: The Kiss was worth it
Post by: JBRam on October 12, 2006, 01:58:09 PM
They won't break Sawyer.
They'll try hard to, though. They know his weakness, and it is Kate. They also know that Kate's weakness is Sawyer.
Title: Re: The Kiss was worth it
Post by: misspensinger on October 12, 2006, 02:12:07 PM
I agree that I noticed the tender moment when he looked at Kate and saw how broken she was and wanted to express something.  I noticed that as soon as this thought came into his head he looked over at the others and realized he could kill 2 birds with one stone.  He might have expected a little more out of Kate during the fight.  He explained why he did it to Kate so we don't have to read into it that much.

I agree with Dubplate, that he wasn't falling for Juliet's good cop routine, he has been in that situation too many times before.

JB, the Others #1 fan, they will not break Sawyer.  Sawyer has one of the strongest will of the whole group.  He can read people better than most of our other losties.  That is his job.  It suprises me how little faith you have in our losties actually.

Was the kiss worth it?  ABSOLUTELY, looked hot!  Wishing I was Kate right now ;D
Title: Re: The Kiss was worth it
Post by: JBRam on October 12, 2006, 02:19:58 PM
No, I don't think that they will break Sawyer, but they'll try very hard.

But I also realize that our LOSTies are just people. Sawyer tries to read people, but he's made some big miistakes in his past in reading people. I don't doubt that he can make another.
Title: Re: The Kiss was worth it
Post by: demra on October 12, 2006, 02:21:17 PM
I agree that I noticed the tender moment when he looked at Kate and saw how broken she was and wanted to express something.  I noticed that as soon as this thought came into his head he looked over at the others and realized he could kill 2 birds with one stone.  He might have expected a little more out of Kate during the fight.  He explained why he did it to Kate so we don't have to read into it that much.

I agree with Dubplate, that he wasn't falling for Juliet's good cop routine, he has been in that situation too many times before.

JB, the Others #1 fan, they will not break Sawyer.  Sawyer has one of the strongest will of the whole group.  He can read people better than most of our other losties.  That is his job.  It suprises me how little faith you have in our losties actually.
Was the kiss worth it?  ABSOLUTELY, looked hot!  Wishing I was Kate right now ;D


could not have said it better myself

Title: Re: The Kiss was worth it
Post by: BlackrockBob on October 12, 2006, 02:22:21 PM
You know, I wouldn't put it past Sawyer and Kate to have cooked up this whole weakness thing ahead of time. Yes they both like each other, and are very attracted to each other, but their caring for each other is just seems too obvious.

But, I'm not a hopeless romantic.

And yes, I'd have taken a few punches and being shocked to kiss her too.
Title: Re: The Kiss was worth it
Post by: JBRam on October 12, 2006, 02:22:59 PM
I can't believe how much faith you place in them. See my previous post.
Title: Re: The Kiss was worth it
Post by: JBRam on October 12, 2006, 02:23:49 PM
You know, I wouldn't put it past Sawyer and Kate to have cooked up this whole weakness thing ahead of time. Yes they both like each other, and are very attracted to each other, but their caring for each other is just seems too obvious.

But, I'm not a hopeless romantic.
 
ummm... I kinda doubt it. They are lovey dovey now. It wasn't a pre-conceived plan to have each other as their weakness..
Title: Re: The Kiss was worth it
Post by: misspensinger on October 12, 2006, 02:25:39 PM
No, I don't think that they will break Sawyer, but they'll try very hard.

But I also realize that our LOSTies are just people. Sawyer tries to read people, but he's made some big miistakes in his past in reading people. I don't doubt that he can make another.
Such as?
I can't believe how much faith you place in them. See my previous post.
How can I miss them ::) ;)  They are the stars of the show sweetie, they are the protagonist. :)  Not the antagonist like the Others ;)
Title: Re: The Kiss was worth it
Post by: JBRam on October 12, 2006, 02:27:58 PM
He made a mistake when he was conning the second girl, he made a mistake when he shot the shrimp guy etc...
Title: Re: The Kiss was worth it
Post by: misspensinger on October 12, 2006, 02:30:31 PM
He got emotionally involved, that's all.  He let's his heart get in the way.  Right vs. Wrong.  It won't happen with the others.
Title: Re: The Kiss was worth it
Post by: demra on October 12, 2006, 02:31:31 PM
I can't believe how much faith you place in them. See my previous post.
which one of the 200 plus previous posts in the last 18 hours are you refering to JB
Title: Re: The Kiss was worth it
Post by: JBRam on October 12, 2006, 02:33:20 PM
The one in this thread.
Title: Re: The Kiss was worth it
Post by: Sara on October 12, 2006, 02:39:57 PM
I agree that Sawyer was trying to size up the fighting ability of the others, but that seeing Kate look so spent didn't hurt his manly urges any either!

The way that Sawyer keeps looking at Juliet makes me wonder if they know each other.  The way she called him James, and Kate asking about it, seems to me like they are trying to make a point.  Although I know they KNOW everyone's names anyway...

Was the kiss somehow also intended to get a rise out of Juliet?
Title: Re: The Kiss was worth it
Post by: JBRam on October 12, 2006, 02:41:12 PM
I don't know about James knowing Juliet. Possibly she's one of his cons, but who knows.
Title: Re: The Kiss was worth it
Post by: misspensinger on October 12, 2006, 03:00:02 PM
I noticed in the last epi that the way they looked at each other was an acknowledgement it seemed.
Title: Re: The Kiss was worth it
Post by: Geronimo Jackson on October 21, 2006, 11:57:48 PM
I agree that I noticed the tender moment when he looked at Kate and saw how broken she was and wanted to express something.  I noticed that as soon as this thought came into his head he looked over at the others and realized he could kill 2 birds with one stone.  He might have expected a little more out of Kate during the fight.  He explained why he did it to Kate so we don't have to read into it that much.

I agree with Dubplate, that he wasn't falling for Juliet's good cop routine, he has been in that situation too many times before.

JB, the Others #1 fan, they will not break Sawyer.  Sawyer has one of the strongest will of the whole group.  He can read people better than most of our other losties.  That is his job.  It suprises me how little faith you have in our losties actually.
Was the kiss worth it?  ABSOLUTELY, looked hot!  Wishing I was Kate right now ;D


could not have said it better myself



 well said alwqays lost and we found out juilet cold would have shot kate sawyer knows people