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Title: Sun being on the boat...
Post by: Pandora on June 26, 2006, 02:38:14 AM
Well, I was watching the finale yet again, and I was wondering about this.  It seemed a little out of character for Jin, previously so protective, to be ok with Sun, now pregnant, going with him on a boat.  I mean, I realize the couple had just recently "had it out" about Jin's controlling nature, and he had become more understanding of her will... but they were in for a possibly a dangerous mission where they might encounter the Others.  I just thought it was a "conventient" plotline to have Desmond turn down Sayid's request to help him sail, and then Jin just happens to be the only one he can ask--was it a way for the writers to get Sun on this boat?

In other words, have her written in that way so that the only pregnant woman on the island is somewhere "needed" for the plot.  I was thinking either distance from the electromagnetism, or maybe proximity, to be captured by Others?

Or maybe it is nothing at all.  :) 
Title: Re: Sun being on the boat...
Post by: Desmond8MyPopRocks on June 26, 2006, 03:41:48 AM
Well, I was watching the finale yet again, and I was wondering about this.  It seemed a little out of character for Jin, previously so protective, to be ok with Sun, now pregnant, going with him on a boat.  I mean, I realize the couple had just recently "had it out" about Jin's controlling nature, and he had become more understanding of her will... but they were in for a possibly a dangerous mission where they might encounter the Others.  I just thought it was a "conventient" plotline to have Desmond turn down Sayid's request to help him sail, and then Jin just happens to be the only one he can ask--was it a way for the writers to get Sun on this boat?

In other words, have her written in that way so that the only pregnant woman on the island is somewhere "needed" for the plot.  I was thinking either distance from the electromagnetism, or maybe proximity, to be captured by Others?

Or maybe it is nothing at all.  :) 
Pandora:
I wondered the same as well, but after rewatching LTDA a few times, I really got a different take on it all.  When Sun tells Sayid "you need someone else who knows how to sail, and you need someone to translate"....and walks away, Jin gives the big "you gotta go with whatever she says" shrug, which led me to believe that Jin and Sun are back thick as thieves, and as long as she's with child, he's not leaving her and she's not leaving him.

Their child is "their destiny."

thoughts?

cheers!

*Des8
Title: Re: Sun being on the boat...
Post by: LostGirlDeb on June 27, 2006, 12:12:09 AM
You both ahve a good point.. i was thinking the same thing..why he let her go on such a dangerous mission and above all why did the writers put that little scenario together of all people those 2 were unlikely  
Title: Re: Sun being on the boat...
Post by: jugdish on June 27, 2006, 12:54:11 PM
I took it as portrayed on the show. He is starting to listen to his wife and she made valid points. The would need a translater. They are stranded on an island with weird sh!^ going on. Is she in any more danger on the beach as on the boat?
Title: Re: Sun being on the boat...
Post by: Desmond8MyPopRocks on June 27, 2006, 11:50:14 PM
I took it as portrayed on the show. He is starting to listen to his wife and she made valid points. The would need a translater. They are stranded on an island with weird sh!^ going on. Is she in any more danger on the beach as on the boat?
Jug:

Exactly.... as if she'd be safer on the Island alone with the monster...  Plus, I bet she's a bad motorscooter if provoked and I bet Jin knows it.  Who better to have in your corner if you're in a pinch?

cheers
*Des8
Title: Re: Sun being on the boat...
Post by: jugdish on June 29, 2006, 01:34:10 AM
Plus with Sayid leaving the boat to scout out the area they could have a little alone time. Nothing like sailboat love.
Title: Re: Sun being on the boat...
Post by: Desmond8MyPopRocks on June 29, 2006, 06:03:48 AM
Plus with Sayid leaving the boat to scout out the area they could have a little alone time. Nothing like sailboat love.
Yes, sailboat love with morning sickness--what a delight!

;)
cheers
*Des8
Title: Re: Sun being on the boat...
Post by: demra on July 01, 2006, 12:45:53 PM
Well, I was watching the finale yet again, and I was wondering about this.  It seemed a little out of character for Jin, previously so protective, to be ok with Sun, now pregnant, going with him on a boat.  I mean, I realize the couple had just recently "had it out" about Jin's controlling nature, and he had become more understanding of her will... but they were in for a possibly a dangerous mission where they might encounter the Others.  I just thought it was a "conventient" plotline to have Desmond turn down Sayid's request to help him sail, and then Jin just happens to be the only one he can ask--was it a way for the writers to get Sun on this boat?

In other words, have her written in that way so that the only pregnant woman on the island is somewhere "needed" for the plot.  I was thinking either distance from the electromagnetism, or maybe proximity, to be captured by Others?

Or maybe it is nothing at all.  :) 
Pandora:
I wondered the same as well, but after rewatching LTDA a few times, I really got a different take on it all.  When Sun tells Sayid "you need someone else who knows how to sail, and you need someone to translate"....and walks away, Jin gives the big "you gotta go with whatever she says" shrug, which led me to believe that Jin and Sun are back thick as thieves, and as long as she's with child, he's not leaving her and she's not leaving him.

Their child is "their destiny."

thoughts?

cheers!

*Des8


right to the point  when the wife makes a statement like that there is no arguing with her

Title: Re: Sun being on the boat...
Post by: Geronimo Jackson on July 02, 2006, 01:44:19 PM
I agree with Des on this one  they are bonded over the baby.
Title: Re: Sun being on the boat...
Post by: chadley420 on July 03, 2006, 04:56:28 PM
My first thoughts when I saw her going on the boat is that she was going to be captured like Claire was
Title: Re: Sun being on the boat...
Post by: Sweet Old Lady on July 03, 2006, 11:23:08 PM
I think Sun is safe until her last month.  The Others will need her to incubate the baby.  Sounds so cold when put that way........
Title: Re: Sun being on the boat...
Post by: Desmond8MyPopRocks on July 05, 2006, 02:43:23 AM
Well, I was watching the finale yet again, and I was wondering about this.  It seemed a little out of character for Jin, previously so protective, to be ok with Sun, now pregnant, going with him on a boat.  I mean, I realize the couple had just recently "had it out" about Jin's controlling nature, and he had become more understanding of her will... but they were in for a possibly a dangerous mission where they might encounter the Others.  I just thought it was a "conventient" plotline to have Desmond turn down Sayid's request to help him sail, and then Jin just happens to be the only one he can ask--was it a way for the writers to get Sun on this boat?

In other words, have her written in that way so that the only pregnant woman on the island is somewhere "needed" for the plot.  I was thinking either distance from the electromagnetism, or maybe proximity, to be captured by Others?

Or maybe it is nothing at all.  :) 
Pandora:
That's a great idea I hadn't considered, but it makes just as much sense as others' ideas, if not more.

cheers
*Des8
Title: Re: Sun being on the boat...
Post by: Geronimo Jackson on July 05, 2006, 01:10:29 PM
Well, I was watching the finale yet again, and I was wondering about this.  It seemed a little out of character for Jin, previously so protective, to be ok with Sun, now pregnant, going with him on a boat.  I mean, I realize the couple had just recently "had it out" about Jin's controlling nature, and he had become more understanding of her will... but they were in for a possibly a dangerous mission where they might encounter the Others.  I just thought it was a "conventient" plotline to have Desmond turn down Sayid's request to help him sail, and then Jin just happens to be the only one he can ask--was it a way for the writers to get Sun on this boat?

In other words, have her written in that way so that the only pregnant woman on the island is somewhere "needed" for the plot.  I was thinking either distance from the electromagnetism, or maybe proximity, to be captured by Others?

Or maybe it is nothing at all.  :) 
Pandora:
That's a great idea I hadn't considered, but it makes just as much sense as others' ideas, if not more.

cheers
*Des8
Jin is still being protective but more loving,wants her near him can't speak Ebglish to help Sayid with boat,gets her off island away from directcontact with magentic field but she stilll was affected by it.
AND gives the actors much needed screen time as a lot were complaining they were not being used enough this past season.
Title: Re: Sun being on the boat...
Post by: Desmond8MyPopRocks on July 05, 2006, 02:23:15 PM
Well, I was watching the finale yet again, and I was wondering about this.  It seemed a little out of character for Jin, previously so protective, to be ok with Sun, now pregnant, going with him on a boat.  I mean, I realize the couple had just recently "had it out" about Jin's controlling nature, and he had become more understanding of her will... but they were in for a possibly a dangerous mission where they might encounter the Others.  I just thought it was a "conventient" plotline to have Desmond turn down Sayid's request to help him sail, and then Jin just happens to be the only one he can ask--was it a way for the writers to get Sun on this boat?

In other words, have her written in that way so that the only pregnant woman on the island is somewhere "needed" for the plot.  I was thinking either distance from the electromagnetism, or maybe proximity, to be captured by Others?

Or maybe it is nothing at all.  :) 
Pandora:
That's a great idea I hadn't considered, but it makes just as much sense as others' ideas, if not more.

cheers
*Des8
Jin is still being protective but more loving,wants her near him can't speak Ebglish to help Sayid with boat,gets her off island away from directcontact with magentic field but she stilll was affected by it.
AND gives the actors much needed screen time as a lot were complaining they were not being used enough this past season.

GJ:
Great point... I wonder if their story will really pan out in S3?  I hope so.  I really like both Jin and Sun's characters, but there's so much more to be developed with Sun's dad....

For example, what about the watch Jin was supposed to take to LA?  He gave it to Michael--wonder if we'll see a story about Michael with the watch in LA in later seasons?
hmmmm

cheers
*Des8
Title: Re: Sun being on the boat...
Post by: Geronimo Jackson on July 05, 2006, 02:29:10 PM
Well, I was watching the finale yet again, and I was wondering about this.  It seemed a little out of character for Jin, previously so protective, to be ok with Sun, now pregnant, going with him on a boat.  I mean, I realize the couple had just recently "had it out" about Jin's controlling nature, and he had become more understanding of her will... but they were in for a possibly a dangerous mission where they might encounter the Others.  I just thought it was a "conventient" plotline to have Desmond turn down Sayid's request to help him sail, and then Jin just happens to be the only one he can ask--was it a way for the writers to get Sun on this boat?

In other words, have her written in that way so that the only pregnant woman on the island is somewhere "needed" for the plot.  I was thinking either distance from the electromagnetism, or maybe proximity, to be captured by Others?

Or maybe it is nothing at all.  :) 
Pandora:
That's a great idea I hadn't considered, but it makes just as much sense as others' ideas, if not more.

cheers
*Des8
Jin is still being protective but more loving,wants her near him can't speak Ebglish to help Sayid with boat,gets her off island away from directcontact with magentic field but she stilll was affected by it.
AND gives the actors much needed screen time as a lot were complaining they were not being used enough this past season.

GJ:
Great point... I wonder if their story will really pan out in S3?  I hope so.  I really like both Jin and Sun's characters, but there's so much more to be developed with Sun's dad....

For example, what about the watch Jin was supposed to take to LA?  He gave it to Michael--wonder if we'll see a story about Michael with the watch in LA in later seasons?
hmmmm

cheers
*Des8
Empahis is is  on love next season so hopefully willdeveoplSun and jin,one ofthe most touching moments was season one finalewhne theywere hugging as Jin ogt on raft.YES THE WATCH why otmail it? Why did Jin hae tot ake it on board to LA what was in that watch??????????
Title: Re: Sun being on the boat...
Post by: LostGirlDeb on July 08, 2006, 10:19:06 PM
Well, I was watching the finale yet again, and I was wondering about this.  It seemed a little out of character for Jin, previously so protective, to be ok with Sun, now pregnant, going with him on a boat.  I mean, I realize the couple had just recently "had it out" about Jin's controlling nature, and he had become more understanding of her will... but they were in for a possibly a dangerous mission where they might encounter the Others.  I just thought it was a "conventient" plotline to have Desmond turn down Sayid's request to help him sail, and then Jin just happens to be the only one he can ask--was it a way for the writers to get Sun on this boat?

In other words, have her written in that way so that the only pregnant woman on the island is somewhere "needed" for the plot.  I was thinking either distance from the electromagnetism, or maybe proximity, to be captured by Others?

Or maybe it is nothing at all.  :) 
Pandora:
That's a great idea I hadn't considered, but it makes just as much sense as others' ideas, if not more.

cheers
*Des8
Jin is still being protective but more loving,wants her near him can't speak Ebglish to help Sayid with boat,gets her off island away from directcontact with magentic field but she stilll was affected by it.
AND gives the actors much needed screen time as a lot were complaining they were not being used enough this past season.

GJ:
Great point... I wonder if their story will really pan out in S3?  I hope so.  I really like both Jin and Sun's characters, but there's so much more to be developed with Sun's dad....

For example, what about the watch Jin was supposed to take to LA?  He gave it to Michael--wonder if we'll see a story about Michael with the watch in LA in later seasons?
hmmmm

cheers
*Des8
Empahis is is  on love next season so hopefully willdeveoplSun and jin,one ofthe most touching moments was season one finalewhne theywere hugging as Jin ogt on raft.YES THE WATCH why otmail it? Why did Jin hae tot ake it on board to LA what was in that watch??????????
Yes good question about the watch!!
What was so darn important about the watch??
Come on Season 3!!!
Title: Re: Sun being on the boat...
Post by: demra on July 09, 2006, 12:19:26 AM
waiting patiencely for some answers to these very good questions

as to the watch it could well have been a way to insure that who ever he gave it to knew he was who he said he was
Title: Re: Sun being on the boat...
Post by: LostGirlDeb on July 09, 2006, 02:22:27 PM
waiting patiencely for some answers to these very good questions

as to the watch it could well have been a way to insure that who ever he gave it to knew he was who he said he was
What do you mean?  sorry I am a bit slow this morning
Title: Re: Sun being on the boat...
Post by: jugdish on July 09, 2006, 10:33:11 PM
He was delivering a message with the watch. He had to be there so the person understood the meaning of the watch. ALso the writers needed a reason to put him on the plane!
Title: Re: Sun being on the boat...
Post by: LostGirlDeb on July 09, 2006, 10:37:24 PM
He was delivering a message with the watch. He had to be there so the person understood the meaning of the watch. ALso the writers needed a reason to put him on the plane!
But thats all we know about the "watch" right?
Title: Re: Sun being on the boat...
Post by: jugdish on July 09, 2006, 10:42:22 PM
Hi debbie! Always great to see you smiley face.

That is all I know about the watch.
Title: Re: Sun being on the boat...
Post by: LostGirlDeb on July 09, 2006, 10:45:03 PM
Hi debbie! Always great to see you smiley face.

That is all I know about the watch.
Thanks Jug
maybe there will be some relvance later or like you said the writers just did it to get him on the plane
Title: Re: Sun being on the boat...
Post by: demra on July 10, 2006, 02:33:24 AM
He was delivering a message with the watch. He had to be there so the person understood the meaning of the watch. ALso the writers needed a reason to put him on the plane!

Jug  a much better explanation then mine
Title: Re: Sun being on the boat...
Post by: Geronimo Jackson on July 10, 2006, 02:19:07 PM
He was delivering a message with the watch. He had to be there so the person understood the meaning of the watch. ALso the writers needed a reason to put him on the plane!

Jug  a much better explanation then mine

He had the watch on his lapnot i hs luggage,  he coudln't amil it, Jin ahd ot deliver it with  the threat  don't try and take offf we are watching yo,paraphrasing.So knowing what Sun's dad does, wht wa sin that watch? A timer device to blow up?
Title: Re: Sun being on the boat...
Post by: LostGirlDeb on July 15, 2006, 01:25:26 PM
He was delivering a message with the watch. He had to be there so the person understood the meaning of the watch. ALso the writers needed a reason to put him on the plane!

Jug  a much better explanation then mine

He had the watch on his lapnot i hs luggage,  he coudln't amil it, Jin ahd ot deliver it with  the threat  don't try and take offf we are watching yo,paraphrasing.So knowing what Sun's dad does, wht wa sin that watch? A timer device to blow up?
Yeah really huh?  but if it had a timer device then why didn't it blow up larready by now?
Maybe it blew up on the plane and that is the reason it crashed
Title: Re: Sun being on the boat...
Post by: Sweet Old Lady on July 15, 2006, 04:26:52 PM
Is that the same watch Michael was wearing when Jin went ballistic on him and had to be handcuffed to the fuselage?  Just wondering..
Title: Re: Sun being on the boat...
Post by: LostGirlDeb on July 15, 2006, 08:55:19 PM
Is that the same watch Michael was wearing when Jin went ballistic on him and had to be handcuffed to the fuselage?  Just wondering..
I believe so
Title: Re: Sun being on the boat...
Post by: Geronimo Jackson on July 15, 2006, 10:10:00 PM
Is that the same watch Michael was wearing when Jin went ballistic on him and had to be handcuffed to the fuselage?  Just wondering..
I believe so
Yes and he held it on his lap on plane.And he had it with him in bathroom in airport when the white guy came in spoke to him in English then in Korean telling him not to atttempt to run away,watching him, no escape and to deliver that watc in person..What was in that watch?
Title: Re: Sun being on the boat...
Post by: Desmond8MyPopRocks on July 17, 2006, 04:38:38 PM
Well, I was watching the finale yet again, and I was wondering about this.  It seemed a little out of character for Jin, previously so protective, to be ok with Sun, now pregnant, going with him on a boat.  I mean, I realize the couple had just recently "had it out" about Jin's controlling nature, and he had become more understanding of her will... but they were in for a possibly a dangerous mission where they might encounter the Others.  I just thought it was a "conventient" plotline to have Desmond turn down Sayid's request to help him sail, and then Jin just happens to be the only one he can ask--was it a way for the writers to get Sun on this boat?

In other words, have her written in that way so that the only pregnant woman on the island is somewhere "needed" for the plot.  I was thinking either distance from the electromagnetism, or maybe proximity, to be captured by Others?

Or maybe it is nothing at all.  :) 
Pandora:
That's a great idea I hadn't considered, but it makes just as much sense as others' ideas, if not more.

cheers
*Des8
Jin is still being protective but more loving,wants her near him can't speak Ebglish to help Sayid with boat,gets her off island away from directcontact with magentic field but she stilll was affected by it.
AND gives the actors much needed screen time as a lot were complaining they were not being used enough this past season.

GJ:
Great point... I wonder if their story will really pan out in S3?  I hope so.  I really like both Jin and Sun's characters, but there's so much more to be developed with Sun's dad....

For example, what about the watch Jin was supposed to take to LA?  He gave it to Michael--wonder if we'll see a story about Michael with the watch in LA in later seasons?
hmmmm

cheers
*Des8
Empahis is is  on love next season so hopefully willdeveoplSun and jin,one ofthe most touching moments was season one finalewhne theywere hugging as Jin ogt on raft.YES THE WATCH why otmail it? Why did Jin hae tot ake it on board to LA what was in that watch??????????
Yes good question about the watch!!
What was so darn important about the watch??
Come on Season 3!!!

There was some speculation that perhaps there was something in the watch that helped bring the plane down?  Dunno, but it was worth a thought.
cheers
*Des8
Title: Re: Sun being on the boat...
Post by: Geronimo Jackson on July 18, 2006, 03:09:04 AM
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There was some speculation that perhaps there was something in the watch that helped bring the plane down?  Dunno, but it was worth a thought.
cheers
*Des8

That is what I am wondering
Title: Re: Sun being on the boat...
Post by: LostGirlDeb on July 21, 2006, 11:09:09 PM
Quote
There was some speculation that perhaps there was something in the watch that helped bring the plane down?  Dunno, but it was worth a thought.
cheers
*Des8

That is what I am wondering
Oh like a bomb of some sort?  or maybe something that confused the instruments maybe and caused them to malfunction? or a combination of the watch and the electromagentic field..
Title: Re: Sun being on the boat...
Post by: Geronimo Jackson on July 22, 2006, 07:32:10 PM
Quote
There was some speculation that perhaps there was something in the watch that helped bring the plane down?  Dunno, but it was worth a thought.
cheers
*Des8

That is what I am wondering
Oh like a bomb of some sort?  or maybe something that confused the instruments maybe and caused them to malfunction? or a combination of the watch and the electromagentic field..

yeah I suspect something like that interfered somehow with Des not pushing the buttons maybe?