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Title: FHenry's agenda....What does he want? Who is he?
Post by: validkeys on June 01, 2006, 10:39:09 AM
A few of us started talking about FHenry in a nother post and I thought we should create one just for him. There has been some heavy debate regarding 2 big things...a) Did FHenry actually push the button? We know now that he must have or else the hatch would have gone up in smoke. but why then would he try and convince Locke that the button isnt real?  B) Was FHenry angry on the dock after the EMP was set off? Was he mad because he wasnt expecting them to shut down the thing with the key? Or was he mad because he wasnt dead?

Fhenry always had an agenda..The others have been blown up to be these people who know the jungle so well...yet their leader FHenry (im assuming leader here) got caught in a net! How? He must have wanted to infiltrate the Lostie camp and if so, to what end? Did he want to size up Locke and rebirth his dying trust in the spirituality of the Island?

Theres a couple topics to get us started
Title: Re: FHenry's agenda....What does he want? Who is he?
Post by: WhatThe on June 01, 2006, 11:34:25 AM
Just a gut feeling here, but...

-I think Fhenry didn't get caught in the net on purpose. He wouldn't know if Rousseau would give him to the crash survivors or if she'd use him herself in some way to try and get Alex back, or for that matter if Rousseau would just shoot him dead while caught in the net. Fhenry also wouldn't have known who Rousseau would have brought back from the survivors camp, and how they would have reacted. I think a smarter move is to pretend he stumbled upon their camp after days of wandering the island, to break down from stress and relief once he saw everyone else, to give his sob story about crashing in his balloon and burying his wife, and then to take them back to the balloon and grave site to show his story is real and to dismiss any lingering doubts. Sayid's far less likely to dig up the grave if Fhenry's standing right there, because if it IS his wife's grave nothing could be worse. Not to mention that Fhenry would have been compliant all along ever since arriving to the camp, up to and including taking everyone back to his crash site and wife's grave (upon which seeing again he could break down in hysterics and sobbing lol, making it even more unlikely for the grave to be dug up).

The writers may indeed have Fhenry meaning to get caught in the trap next season, but it would play out as slightly more logical if Fhenry didn't mean for that to happen, and had to carry out his plan under different circumstances.

-I think the moments in which Locke is stuck underneath the blast door are one of the few moments in which Fhenry is being sincere, all the way up to and including pushing the button. I think he was concerned for Locke's physical health, I think as he said he really did push the button, I also think he didn't (purposefully, at least) turn on the black lights right after doing so. I think Fhenry went right back into manipulative mode once Jack and Sayid came in and confronted him.

-Since nobody else on the island seemed too concerned over what just happened when Desmond turned the fail safe key, I think Fhenry wasn't too concerned either. Now why nobody seemed to really give a rat's ass, I don't know lol. But all of the Others just went about things as if it never happened, focused completely on Michael, Kate, Jack and Hurley than on anything else. I didn't see any anger in his body language, vocal tones or facial expression...the look on his face during the fail safe "blast" was more of trying to endure pain in a more commanding way than everyone else was...THAT stood out at me, that everyone else seemed almost crippled by it but Fhenry stood strong no matter how much it must have hurt, even facing the blast of white light. It made him stand out from everyone else as truly being in charge.

-Fhenry's agenda? Other than alledgedly wanting Locke to join his group I can't think of one just yet.
Title: Re: FHenry's agenda....What does he want? Who is he?
Post by: validkeys on June 01, 2006, 11:52:45 AM
But what was the point of FHenry going to the Lostie camp in the first place? Did he think that Ethan did a poor job? They got the baby and clair and who knows what tests or whatever they wanted from the baby. So was he going back for someone else? They had Walt.

I think he wants Locke and I think the list of people michael had to bring back was just filler. They wanted Jack out of the way. Jack and Locke are competetive archetypes. Locke being anti-authority and Jack being the authority. Sawyer and Kate had no real effect on Locke and Sayid mainly let Locke do whatever the hell he wanted to. But Jack was always in his face about everything. Do you think they wanted  this? Jack out of the way?
Title: Re: FHenry's agenda....What does he want? Who is he?
Post by: jugdish on June 01, 2006, 12:31:54 PM
Fenry could of got in the trap on purpose if he was working with Roussou. She is still an unknown and a free agent. We also have not seen her for a while. There could of been a deal made. I don't trust Roussau. Why is she never bothered by the others. SHe gets to freely roam the island.
Title: Re: FHenry's agenda....What does he want? Who is he?
Post by: validkeys on June 01, 2006, 12:36:06 PM
well Rousseau is one woman who has been living on the island for 16 years and who knows how to hide. the Losties are 44 people who do their drycleaning on the island. They are much more open than Rousseau. I would also think that Rousseau would want her daughter back before working with the others
Title: Re: FHenry's agenda....What does he want? Who is he?
Post by: Geronimo Jackson on June 01, 2006, 12:38:20 PM
 I think Rosseau is the monster,she sets all these traps,(has infinite supplies of baby dolls) knows about the dark forrest,knows abou the defense mechanisms that sets off"the monster'" knows there is a transceiver at Black rock only tells Hulrey she changed the signal never tells anyon else it's there like hey you guys can use this.
The Others seem to leave he ralone.She is thefirst one to bring up the disease, we only have her word for it, that her people actually got-when no else has-and she shoots them all.Maybe she just shot them. More to that french chick than we know.
Title: Re: FHenry's agenda....What does he want? Who is he?
Post by: jugdish on June 01, 2006, 12:51:45 PM
Where does she get those dolls from? That is weird. I know I am purely speculating and got us off of Fenry's agenda. I just wanted to point out that he might of worked something out with her to get in the camp because of her dealing with Fenry and trying to get Alex back, she turned him over to the losties.
Title: Re: FHenry's agenda....What does he want? Who is he?
Post by: Geronimo Jackson on June 01, 2006, 12:56:07 PM
Jugdish that seems very logical to me. Fenry would know all abuut hertraps. Too clever and sneaky ole Fenry would know about them,her runing to tellthem she aptured one was a bit oddd, she has never caught one before or since our guys landed? Set up.
Title: Re: FHenry's agenda....What does he want? Who is he?
Post by: WhatThe on June 01, 2006, 12:56:27 PM
The point of Fhenry going to the survivors camp in the first place may have been to bring back Locke. Actually that's what Fhenry himself says his purpose was. Whether or not he was lying or telling the truth, we'll have to wait and see.

I don't think Rousseau was working with Fhenry, because she told Sayid right off the bat that Fhenry was one of the Others. Not to mention that if he was working with Rousseau it would make sense to tell her to go and bring Locke back, not Sayid, the one person who has experience in torture and can easily tell when someone's lying.
Title: Re: FHenry's agenda....What does he want? Who is he?
Post by: validkeys on June 01, 2006, 12:58:02 PM
I might have entertained the idea that Rosseau and Fhenry were working together except for the fact that Rosseau stole Claire's baby and ran off. She didnt take it back to the others. The others obviously wanted that baby. Unless of course she hadnt been approached by the others at that time. There is also the possbility that Fhenry doesnt live on the island. In the dock scene in the season finale, FHenry came to meet the others on the dock. He wasnt already with them.
Title: Re: FHenry's agenda....What does he want? Who is he?
Post by: validkeys on June 01, 2006, 01:00:32 PM
Another thing I just remembered..After Rosseau cut Fhenry out of the net, he tried to run..Was this an act? What if they hadnt shot him? If he wanted to get back in the camp, I think he would have played scared but stayed. If they hadnt shot him, I dont think he would just stop and walk back..man, this guy is complex
Title: Re: FHenry's agenda....What does he want? Who is he?
Post by: WhatThe on June 01, 2006, 01:03:17 PM
Another thing I just remembered..After Rosseau cut Fhenry out of the net, he tried to run..Was this an act? What if they hadnt shot him? If he wanted to get back in the camp, I think he would have played scared but stayed. If they hadnt shot him, I dont think he would just stop and walk back..man, this guy is complex

Good point.
Title: Re: FHenry's agenda....What does he want? Who is he?
Post by: HurleysGirl on June 01, 2006, 01:31:20 PM
Where does she get those dolls from? That is weird. I know I am purely speculating and got us off of Fenry's agenda. I just wanted to point out that he might of worked something out with her to get in the camp because of her dealing with Fenry and trying to get Alex back, she turned him over to the losties.

I started a thread on this yesterday? the day before?  It's all so fuzzy!
Title: Re: FHenry's agenda....What does he want? Who is he?
Post by: jugdish on June 02, 2006, 11:10:48 AM
I don't think Rousseau was working with Fhenry, because she told Sayid right off the bat that Fhenry was one of the Others. Not to mention that if he was working with Rousseau it would make sense to tell her to go and bring Locke back, not Sayid, the one person who has experience in torture and can easily tell when someone's lying.

Rousseau knows the others have Alex. She captures a main other person and just hands him over to sayid. WHy?? When she captured Sayid she held him prisoner and tortured him. Why not try that with Fenry? It would make more sense that she would keep Fenry to try to get Alex back. So it follows that she had a reason to turn Fenry over to sayid because she has a made a deal with him.
Title: Re: FHenry's agenda....What does he want? Who is he?
Post by: Synchronicity on June 02, 2006, 05:26:17 PM
I don't think Rousseau was working with Fhenry, because she told Sayid right off the bat that Fhenry was one of the Others. Not to mention that if he was working with Rousseau it would make sense to tell her to go and bring Locke back, not Sayid, the one person who has experience in torture and can easily tell when someone's lying.

Rousseau knows the others have Alex. She captures a main other person and just hands him over to sayid. WHy?? When she captured Sayid she held him prisoner and tortured him. Why not try that with Fenry? It would make more sense that she would keep Fenry to try to get Alex back. So it follows that she had a reason to turn Fenry over to sayid because she has a made a deal with him.

I agree, I don't think Rousseau is actively working with the Others.  It just doesn't feel right.  Her backstory has checked out pretty well so far, and her behavior has been consistently insane, so to speak.  I think she is, more or less, what she claims to be.  The Others are formidable on their own turf, but they might have decided she's just not worth the effort to hunt down and eliminate, or they may have some internally consistent reason for leaving her alone (just because she expressly has a negative few of them doesn't necessarily mean it's reciprocal.)  If "Alex" is indeed her daughter, she might have a lot of pull within the Others' organization, despite her youth.  In fact, it's kind of interesting that Alex seems to be getting along with her associates fairly well, despite having engineered Claire's escape, and they must surely realize she was involved in that.  Maybe she's got the clout to get away with something like that, and suffer nothing more than a tongue-lashing.  It could be that Alex has prevailed upon the Others to leave her mother alone, and Rousseau's obvious paranoia suggests that she might not know she has a special protected status. Fenry's capture might not have been as difficult as we suspect.  If he came to the island on that ferryboat, he could be equivalent to an off-site manager, rather than a skilled field operative, and might have underestimated the danger of running into Rousseau while en route to the Swan station.  Those baby-doll lures strongly suggest that Rousseau is primarily interested in trapping some of the Other children, or perhaps she insanely imagines that such a lure will attract her little Alex - it's the kind of thing a bereaved mother might do.  Fenry might have dismissed her as no threat to a fully-grown, strapping fourth-degree Mason, lambada dancer, and Jedi master such as himself, and found out he was wrong the hard way.  Voluntarily getting a crossbow bolt in the shoulder seems like an entirely unnecessary touch if he was faking his capture...
Title: Re: FHenry's agenda....What does he want? Who is he?
Post by: WhatThe on June 02, 2006, 06:33:53 PM
I don't think Rousseau was working with Fhenry, because she told Sayid right off the bat that Fhenry was one of the Others. Not to mention that if he was working with Rousseau it would make sense to tell her to go and bring Locke back, not Sayid, the one person who has experience in torture and can easily tell when someone's lying.

Rousseau knows the others have Alex. She captures a main other person and just hands him over to sayid. WHy?? When she captured Sayid she held him prisoner and tortured him. Why not try that with Fenry? It would make more sense that she would keep Fenry to try to get Alex back. So it follows that she had a reason to turn Fenry over to sayid because she has a made a deal with him.

Why didn't she do the same with Claire, then? She knows the Others are out searching for her, yet helps her return to her camp and to safety...only to later come back and steal her baby? lol...Why not keep Claire for herself and find a way to do the trade?

Not to mention that how did Rousseau know Fhenry was the main person? As well as, what would her deal be? To turn Fhenry over to the crash survivors? Well, she did that. So why is Alex still with the Others, especially if they "keep their word"? Also, why would Fhenry want Rousseau to purposefully announce him as an Other instead of him just "accidentally" stumbling into the survivors' camp after supposedly wandering the island for days if not weeks? The same story Fhenry would need to use to explain how he ended up in Rousseau's trap is the exact same story he would have/could have used to explain suddenly finding their campsite on the beach. How did it help Fhenry to instead be captured and then turned over to the crash survivors as a suspected "Other"?
Title: Re: FHenry's agenda....What does he want? Who is he?
Post by: WhatThe on June 02, 2006, 06:36:15 PM
I don't think Rousseau was working with Fhenry, because she told Sayid right off the bat that Fhenry was one of the Others. Not to mention that if he was working with Rousseau it would make sense to tell her to go and bring Locke back, not Sayid, the one person who has experience in torture and can easily tell when someone's lying.

Rousseau knows the others have Alex. She captures a main other person and just hands him over to sayid. WHy?? When she captured Sayid she held him prisoner and tortured him. Why not try that with Fenry? It would make more sense that she would keep Fenry to try to get Alex back. So it follows that she had a reason to turn Fenry over to sayid because she has a made a deal with him.

I agree, I don't think Rousseau is actively working with the Others.  It just doesn't feel right.  Her backstory has checked out pretty well so far, and her behavior has been consistently insane, so to speak.  I think she is, more or less, what she claims to be.  The Others are formidable on their own turf, but they might have decided she's just not worth the effort to hunt down and eliminate, or they may have some internally consistent reason for leaving her alone (just because she expressly has a negative few of them doesn't necessarily mean it's reciprocal.)  If "Alex" is indeed her daughter, she might have a lot of pull within the Others' organization, despite her youth.  In fact, it's kind of interesting that Alex seems to be getting along with her associates fairly well, despite having engineered Claire's escape, and they must surely realize she was involved in that.  Maybe she's got the clout to get away with something like that, and suffer nothing more than a tongue-lashing.  It could be that Alex has prevailed upon the Others to leave her mother alone, and Rousseau's obvious paranoia suggests that she might not know she has a special protected status. Fenry's capture might not have been as difficult as we suspect.  If he came to the island on that ferryboat, he could be equivalent to an off-site manager, rather than a skilled field operative, and might have underestimated the danger of running into Rousseau while en route to the Swan station.  Those baby-doll lures strongly suggest that Rousseau is primarily interested in trapping some of the Other children, or perhaps she insanely imagines that such a lure will attract her little Alex - it's the kind of thing a bereaved mother might do.  Fenry might have dismissed her as no threat to a fully-grown, strapping fourth-degree Mason, lambada dancer, and Jedi master such as himself, and found out he was wrong the hard way.  Voluntarily getting a crossbow bolt in the shoulder seems like an entirely unnecessary touch if he was faking his capture...

All good and valid points...
Title: Re: FHenry's agenda....What does he want? Who is he?
Post by: davf0 on June 04, 2006, 04:19:28 PM
i dont think henry seems like someone who would think its a good idea to get shoot with a crossbow just to engineer him going into the swan especially as he could have just walked plus getting shot by a crossbow hurts like lots plus any slight error and its a much more serious injury than jack is capable of treating
Title: Re: FHenry's agenda....What does he want? Who is he?
Post by: Geronimo Jackson on June 04, 2006, 10:12:37 PM
Jugdish she amde a deal with ;'him"which 'him"Henry or Sayid.?????
I think  there is a lotmore to Rosseau then we know.I think she is the monster as it  not the smoke.
Title: Re: FHenry's agenda....What does he want? Who is he?
Post by: Geronimo Jackson on June 04, 2006, 10:14:39 PM
Synchronicity  you make some good points well thought out disertation.
Title: Re: FHenry's agenda....What does he want? Who is he?
Post by: Geronimo Jackson on June 04, 2006, 10:16:11 PM
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If "Alex" is indeed her daughter, she might have a lot of pull within the Others' organization, despite her youth.  In fact, it's kind of interesting that Alex seems to be getting along with her associates fairly well, despite having engineered Claire's escape, and they must surely realize she was involved in that.
She also asked Michael howClaire was ding.But we have no basuiis yetthta the others knowshe helepd claire go.orthat Rosseau ishermom,we don'tknowif Alex knowsthis ornot.
Title: Re: FHenry's agenda....What does he want? Who is he?
Post by: Geronimo Jackson on July 06, 2006, 01:48:44 PM
find out in season 3
Title: Re: FHenry's agenda....What does he want? Who is he?
Post by: LostGirlDeb on July 08, 2006, 10:11:33 PM
I don't think Rousseau was working with Fhenry, because she told Sayid right off the bat that Fhenry was one of the Others. Not to mention that if he was working with Rousseau it would make sense to tell her to go and bring Locke back, not Sayid, the one person who has experience in torture and can easily tell when someone's lying.

Rousseau knows the others have Alex. She captures a main other person and just hands him over to sayid. WHy?? When she captured Sayid she held him prisoner and tortured him. Why not try that with Fenry? It would make more sense that she would keep Fenry to try to get Alex back. So it follows that she had a reason to turn Fenry over to sayid because she has a made a deal with him.

I agree, I don't think Rousseau is actively working with the Others.  It just doesn't feel right.  Her backstory has checked out pretty well so far, and her behavior has been consistently insane, so to speak.  I think she is, more or less, what she claims to be.  The Others are formidable on their own turf, but they might have decided she's just not worth the effort to hunt down and eliminate, or they may have some internally consistent reason for leaving her alone (just because she expressly has a negative few of them doesn't necessarily mean it's reciprocal.)  If "Alex" is indeed her daughter, she might have a lot of pull within the Others' organization, despite her youth.  In fact, it's kind of interesting that Alex seems to be getting along with her associates fairly well, despite having engineered Claire's escape, and they must surely realize she was involved in that.  Maybe she's got the clout to get away with something like that, and suffer nothing more than a tongue-lashing.  It could be that Alex has prevailed upon the Others to leave her mother alone, and Rousseau's obvious paranoia suggests that she might not know she has a special protected status. Fenry's capture might not have been as difficult as we suspect.  If he came to the island on that ferryboat, he could be equivalent to an off-site manager, rather than a skilled field operative, and might have underestimated the danger of running into Rousseau while en route to the Swan station.  Those baby-doll lures strongly suggest that Rousseau is primarily interested in trapping some of the Other children, or perhaps she insanely imagines that such a lure will attract her little Alex - it's the kind of thing a bereaved mother might do.  Fenry might have dismissed her as no threat to a fully-grown, strapping fourth-degree Mason, lambada dancer, and Jedi master such as himself, and found out he was wrong the hard way.  Voluntarily getting a crossbow bolt in the shoulder seems like an entirely unnecessary touch if he was faking his capture...
Very good points but how do we know that the others were not involved in Claire's release and made it look as though Alex did it all on her own sort of a smoke screen?
And Danille just happend to be there at the right moment to rush her to safety? Something doesn't jive for me.  Maybe the others did what they needed to do to Clair and made it look like Alex helped her escape..I don't know just a thought....  
Title: Re: FHenry's agenda....What does he want? Who is he?
Post by: demra on July 09, 2006, 12:34:16 AM
fenery had to try and create strife between the losties they were becomming a very cohesive unit altho not completely open with each other  things were working towards that direction so he took every opertunity to drive wedges between the losties .
He is obvisouly an improtatin psrt of the " Others " and could be Him but that is unlikely

he did push the button so that quwstion has been answered .

His capture is an open question  with Rousseau being such an unknown quantity in this  it is just to hard to tell if he ment to be captured or not he could not have just walked into the camp even tho the result would probably have been the same for him

just my thought s and opinions
Title: Re: FHenry's agenda....What does he want? Who is he?
Post by: LostGirlDeb on July 09, 2006, 02:19:07 PM
fenery had to try and create strife between the losties they were becomming a very cohesive unit altho not completely open with each other  things were working towards that direction so he took every opertunity to drive wedges between the losties .
He is obvisouly an improtatin psrt of the " Others " and could be Him but that is unlikely

he did push the button so that quwstion has been answered .

His capture is an open question  with Rousseau being such an unknown quantity in this  it is just to hard to tell if he ment to be captured or not he could not have just walked into the camp even tho the result would probably have been the same for him

just my thought s and opinions
Again i agree (man I'm so agreeable today)  I do think he was trying to drive a wedge between our Losties too (It was obvious) but yeah the capture is a mystery and again with Danielle in the mix who knows... since we really need more on her and her part in the bigger picture
Title: Re: FHenry's agenda....What does he want? Who is he?
Post by: jugdish on July 09, 2006, 10:44:15 PM
Was he trying to drive a wedge between them as some sort of psychological experiment or so they would not find out the truth. I think he was trying to see what they know and stop them from finding out to much. The might not be used to having this many strangers on the island. It is hard to control that many people.
Title: Re: FHenry's agenda....What does he want? Who is he?
Post by: LostGirlDeb on July 09, 2006, 10:47:50 PM
Was he trying to drive a wedge between them as some sort of psychological experiment or so they would not find out the truth. I think he was trying to see what they know and stop them from finding out to much. The might not be used to having this many strangers on the island. It is hard to control that many people.
True True but maybe he was driving a wedge so he can have someone on his side at some point and time like Locke for instance
Title: Re: FHenry's agenda....What does he want? Who is he?
Post by: jugdish on July 10, 2006, 12:29:57 AM
Possibley but I don't think locke is much of a fan of his now.
Title: Re: FHenry's agenda....What does he want? Who is he?
Post by: demra on July 10, 2006, 12:40:30 AM
i had said it when fenry was just gettingon the show and starting to mess with Locke  that it would backfire on him  and i still think i am right   he should have had Michael bring locke too cause if TPTB get locke  back to his core character  then he will  be a force to be reckoned with ( he and Echo )
Title: Re: FHenry's agenda....What does he want? Who is he?
Post by: Geronimo Jackson on July 10, 2006, 02:22:55 PM
Possibley but I don't think locke is much of a fan of his now.
Oh I think Locke would love to throw one of his knoves at ole fenry.Skin him like a boar.
Title: Re: FHenry's agenda....What does he want? Who is he?
Post by: jugdish on July 10, 2006, 10:03:09 PM
Hopefully his interactions with Fenry will make him realize that he has been a sensitive baby. Now Locke can get back to being a hard a$$ again. Go kill a boar and feed the losties some fresh meat.
Title: Re: FHenry's agenda....What does he want? Who is he?
Post by: LostGirlDeb on July 10, 2006, 11:01:02 PM
Hopefully his interactions with Fenry will make him realize that he has been a sensitive baby. Now Locke can get back to being a hard a$$ again. Go kill a boar and feed the losties some fresh meat.
LOL Hard A$$ Locke
Title: Re: FHenry's agenda....What does he want? Who is he?
Post by: demra on July 10, 2006, 11:34:31 PM
give that girl an inch and she will make the most out of it



stop reading naughty stuff into that

;D
Title: Re: FHenry's agenda....What does he want? Who is he?
Post by: Geronimo Jackson on July 11, 2006, 04:13:15 PM
Hopefully his interactions with Fenry will make him realize that he has been a sensitive baby. Now Locke can get back to being a hard a$$ again. Go kill a boar and feed the losties some fresh meat.
And stopcrying he has cried what three times now.
Title: Re: FHenry's agenda....What does he want? Who is he?
Post by: jugdish on July 11, 2006, 09:39:04 PM
He has to refind himself and stop worrying about his postion compared to Jack. Now with Jack gone maybe he will start being a leader instead of a girlly man
Title: Re: FHenry's agenda....What does he want? Who is he?
Post by: demra on July 12, 2006, 02:39:33 AM
who you calling a Girlie man 

ohh not me 

well ok then  carry on

::)
Title: Re: FHenry's agenda....What does he want? Who is he?
Post by: Geronimo Jackson on July 12, 2006, 05:14:20 PM
He has to refind himself and stop worrying about his postion compared to Jack. Now with Jack gone maybe he will start being a leader instead of a girlly man

Who Locke or Fenry?Fenry has complete control over Jack when last we saw.
Title: Re: FHenry's agenda....What does he want? Who is he?
Post by: demra on July 12, 2006, 11:30:17 PM
i am sure he was talking about  Locke   GJ

and he is righ tin that Locke  has to refind himself in S3
and i have said before that all the messing with lockes head that fenry did will come back to haunt him

now we have sayid locke desmond and jin who are all very capable of being very formidable enemies to the Others

Title: Re: FHenry's agenda....What does he want? Who is he?
Post by: jugdish on July 14, 2006, 11:43:46 AM
Time to kick some others a$$.


oh wait they are the good ones.
Title: Re: FHenry's agenda....What does he want? Who is he?
Post by: MaxsDad on July 14, 2006, 11:48:06 AM
i am sure he was talking about  Locke   GJ

and he is righ tin that Locke  has to refind himself in S3
and i have said before that all the messing with lockes head that fenry did will come back to haunt him

now we have sayid locke desmond and jin who are all very capable of being very formidable enemies to the Others



Especially Sayid! :o
Title: Re: FHenry's agenda....What does he want? Who is he?
Post by: LostGirlDeb on July 15, 2006, 01:16:45 PM
He has to refind himself and stop worrying about his postion compared to Jack. Now with Jack gone maybe he will start being a leader instead of a girlly man

Who Locke or Fenry?Fenry has complete control over Jack when last we saw.
Yeah if it really came down to it and Locke had to choose who to be loyal to, who whould he choose Fenry or Jack?  He carries a big resentment against jack and Fenry helped him see it
Title: Re: FHenry's agenda....What does he want? Who is he?
Post by: Geronimo Jackson on July 15, 2006, 10:13:50 PM
He has to refind himself and stop worrying about his postion compared to Jack. Now with Jack gone maybe he will start being a leader instead of a girlly man

Who Locke or Fenry?Fenry has complete control over Jack when last we saw.
Yeah if it really came down to it and Locke had to choose who to be loyal to, who whould he choose Fenry or Jack?  He carries a big resentment against jack and Fenry helped him see it
Locke would choose Locke "No one tellls me what to do"Maybe buds with Eko though.
Title: Re: FHenry's agenda....What does he want? Who is he?
Post by: Desmond8MyPopRocks on July 16, 2006, 05:43:23 AM
Has it occurred to anyone that now that Locke has been brainfcked by Fenry, Locke knows how Fenry's mind works?  This may prove valuable in S3.  I know I'd use it.

cheers
*Des8
Title: Re: FHenry's agenda....What does he want? Who is he?
Post by: Geronimo Jackson on July 16, 2006, 02:26:12 PM
Has it occurred to anyone that now that Locke has been brainfcked by Fenry, Locke knows how Fenry's mind works?  This may prove valuable in S3.  I know I'd use it.
 It has to me and i see Locke punching Fenry's teeth out if he ever runs into him.NO one tells me what to Do attitude.
cheers
*Des8
Title: Re: FHenry's agenda....What does he want? Who is he?
Post by: Desmond8MyPopRocks on July 17, 2006, 04:41:09 PM
i am sure he was talking about  Locke   GJ

and he is righ tin that Locke  has to refind himself in S3
and i have said before that all the messing with lockes head that fenry did will come back to haunt him

now we have sayid locke desmond and jin who are all very capable of being very formidable enemies to the Others


Wasn't FakeHenryGale nominated for an Emmy for best supporting actor?  If not, he should've been.  I remember the pic Entertainment Weekly printed of his rather garishly evil grin during the Dharma rice crispies exchange..... and it was definitely one of the creepiest grins I've ever seen. That guy should get a nod.

got any milk for that cereal cheers
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Title: Re: FHenry's agenda....What does he want? Who is he?
Post by: Geronimo Jackson on July 18, 2006, 03:10:27 AM
i am sure he was talking about  Locke   GJ

and he is righ tin that Locke  has to refind himself in S3
and i have said before that all the messing with lockes head that fenry did will come back to haunt him

now we have sayid locke desmond and jin who are all very capable of being very formidable enemies to the Others


Wasn't FakeHenryGale nominated for an Emmy for best supporting actor?  If not, he should've been.  I remember the pic Entertainment Weekly printed of his rather garishly evil grin during the Dharma rice crispies exchange..... and it was definitely one of the creepiest grins I've ever seen. That guy should get a nod.

got any milk for that cereal cheers
*Des8
No with stupid new rules no nomination.
Title: Re: FHenry's agenda....What does he want? Who is he?
Post by: Sweet Old Lady on July 18, 2006, 04:20:25 AM

now we have sayid locke desmond and jin who are all very capable of being very formidable enemies to the Others



Not to mention Eko!  Don't forget my dear Eko!  He could wipe out a half dozen Others with one swipe of his Jesus stick. 
Title: Re: FHenry's agenda....What does he want? Who is he?
Post by: Geronimo Jackson on July 18, 2006, 12:33:07 PM
I honestly feel that Eko won't fight. I think he has found his own sense of redemption and won't go that route, unless perhaps invaded , attacked. Eko is the man :) :)
Title: Re: FHenry's agenda....What does he want? Who is he?
Post by: Desmond8MyPopRocks on July 18, 2006, 01:33:30 PM
I honestly feel that Eko won't fight. I think he has found his own sense of redemption and won't go that route, unless perhaps invaded , attacked. Eko is the man :) :)

GJ not sure I agree with you on that one.  while people oftentimes find redemption in one area of their lives, slip ups occur and it wouldn't surprise me if MrEko went a little ape sh!t once he finds out about either Michael killing AL and Libby--or whatever turns of the screw the next season has in hold.

Just my 2 cents
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*Des8
Title: Re: FHenry's agenda....What does he want? Who is he?
Post by: Desmond8MyPopRocks on July 18, 2006, 01:34:28 PM
and btw.... FakeHenryGale should've been nominated for his performance, imho.
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*Des8
Title: Re: FHenry's agenda....What does he want? Who is he?
Post by: Geronimo Jackson on July 18, 2006, 01:40:11 PM
YEs he should we all figured it was a given or best guest appearance.
Title: Re: FHenry's agenda....What does he want? Who is he?
Post by: button pusher on July 23, 2006, 02:40:47 PM
Too many good ideas brought to light here... It totally confuses my own speculations. ;)

I have a hard time believing that if Rousseau had never seen an "other" in 16+ years, that Fenry would just happen to accidentally get caught in one of her traps now. I also, as has been mentioned, can't imagine volunteering to take a crossbow bolt to the shoulder. So, the two points kind of cancel each other. There must be a less painful way to work with Rousseau than that, but to accidentally get caught seems like amateur hour for someone so clever as Fenry...

I was initially thinking that perhaps Fenry was on his way to try to retake Aaron. It seems odd to me that no attempt was made on Aaron through the whole season, though in S1 Aaron seemed to be the only one among the 48 that the others were most concerned about... moreso than the rest who would have made it to the list that Ethan didn't have time to make... On that point, Ethan tells Tom in the Staff hatch that the survivors knew he wasn't on the plane... How did he know that? He didn't know that Hurley had the manifest yet when he took Claire and Charlie.

Maybe Fenry was looking to get to the Swan. I'm not so sure that his intention was to get John and bring him back though. It seems most like his intention was to screw with John's sense of purpose and ultimately convince him not to push the button. Maybe they knew that Desmond was gone with the failsafe key, so it was time and they could achieve whatever purpose not pushing the button/activating the failsafe would cause... I'm guessing they weren't aware that Desmond had returned. Of course, Fenry could have let the button go during Lockdown, but we could see very well the effect. He probably realized he would get away sooner or later, and that John would not fail to push the button as long as Fenry was there... John would keep asking him "Did you push the button or not?" Once Fenry was gone, the question would eat away at John's faith.

Title: Re: FHenry's agenda....What does he want? Who is he?
Post by: Geronimo Jackson on July 23, 2006, 08:40:08 PM
excellent points button pusher.Welcome , please introduce yourself in our community forum newcomer site and place yourself on our map....
You raised some excellent points..I think Rosseau has seen the others alot.  I think she and Hnery were in cahoots on that capture.Why didn't she take him to her camp and torture him about Alex likes he did with Sayid?
Something is just not quite right about her just handning him over.
Once the others got Walt and found out all about his powers they put Aaron aside for awhile.
I think Ethan as was always hiding and joining in knew about the manifest.

I thinkhenry did mess with Locke's head but why he was "brought" there, waht were his true intentions why Locek wasn'ton the lsit haven't really been answered yet.We have a clue though,kate,jack and Sawyer even thoughHnery never met Kate and Sawyer.