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Title: Why did Oceanic 815 crash??
Post by: NoraCharles on May 29, 2006, 09:18:05 PM
Right now it seems that Desmond not pushing the button is why Oceanic 815 crashed. The electronmagnet got too strong and 'pulled' the plane apart. I'm a little confused just how that could happen when comparing the two accounts of what happens when you don't push the button; 1. Desmond after he killed Kelvin, running back but able to reset the code, and 2. Locke's takeover of the button refusing to push it.

Would you agree that the effects of not pushing the button were worse with Locke than it was the first time with Desmond alone?  I think so on account of the metal bending in on the countdown clock and all the other damage. All the metal was being pulled toward that part of the hatch. In comparison, I didn't see this with the Desmond alone situation, yet Desmond's was the one that supposedly "pulled" 815 apart.  So then why, when the force was much stronger with Locke, simple things like metal around camp and the Other's guns (made of metal) weren't drawn to the hatch too???

How could one appear stronger and not attract small metal objects like guns and the one that is not as strong pulls a plane apart???

Maybe it has something to do with where and how the build up is released?


Title: Re: Why did Oceanic 815 crash??
Post by: jugdish on May 29, 2006, 09:35:59 PM
All excellent question that I can't answer.


Was Kelvins lateness also responsible for the plane to be hundreds of miles off course.

Why did the plane crash but so many survive a crash and a plane breaking up in air like that.

Why are there so many connection with the people on the plane. If it was desmonds fault and an accident, why do they seem destined to be there?
Title: Re: Why did Oceanic 815 crash??
Post by: NoraCharles on May 29, 2006, 09:41:20 PM
LOL, those are excellent questions that I can't answer.
Especially that last one.

It's a real enigma.
Title: Re: Why did Oceanic 815 crash??
Post by: jugdish on May 29, 2006, 09:49:24 PM
I was really hoping you could answer those questions and then I could get on with my life. :)

I was really hoping that they were going to show the plane crashing and fill in that whole mystery instead we got desmond belief that he crashed the plane.
Title: Re: Why did Oceanic 815 crash??
Post by: Gordon Shumway on May 29, 2006, 09:53:16 PM
Would the plane have come straight down due to the strong magnetic pull?  Seems to me if the plane broke up over the island, it would land somewhere in the water.
Title: Re: Why did Oceanic 815 crash??
Post by: jugdish on May 29, 2006, 09:56:55 PM
It was of course, came down broke up and spread itself out over the island and in the water. (tail section)
Title: Re: Why did Oceanic 815 crash??
Post by: AmazonMonkey on May 29, 2006, 09:58:27 PM
I was really hoping you could answer those questions and then I could get on with my life. :)

I was really hoping that they were going to show the plane crashing and fill in that whole mystery instead we got desmond belief that he crashed the plane.

Yeah, it leaved it open to that NOT being the reason :) Maybe Locke WAS right? :)
Title: Re: Why did Oceanic 815 crash??
Post by: Pandora on May 29, 2006, 09:59:06 PM
The problem is, it doesn't really explain a lot of things... the way the writers promised anyway ("We'll know why the plane crashed").... if we're to stick with realistic explanations, that is.  Because regardless of how an EMP brings down a plane (I always thought it just made all the electronic equipment malfunction, including the engines of the plane)... it wouldn't explain why people were able to survive a plane crashing, from that altitude onto land, and 42 people surviving with minor lacerations or less.
Title: Re: Why did Oceanic 815 crash??
Post by: jugdish on May 29, 2006, 10:00:20 PM
Now I have to spend another year of my life focused on this show.
Title: Re: Why did Oceanic 815 crash??
Post by: OLLY-wood on May 30, 2006, 04:32:20 AM
simple answer... so that the Lost producers can make some money
Title: Re: Why did Oceanic 815 crash??
Post by: Bones on May 30, 2006, 08:37:38 AM
The problem is, it doesn't really explain a lot of things... the way the writers promised anyway ("We'll know why the plane crashed").... if we're to stick with realistic explanations, that is.  Because regardless of how an EMP brings down a plane (I always thought it just made all the electronic equipment malfunction, including the engines of the plane)... it wouldn't explain why people were able to survive a plane crashing, from that altitude onto land, and 42 people surviving with minor lacerations or less.

I've studied the effects of EMP's (Electro Magnetic Pulse) created by nuclear devises and the effects are generally sporadic at best but... 

An EMP strong enough to affect a plane would ruin all of the electrical runs on the island.  No video feeds from pearl would ever be received and you would have to replace every piece of equipment that has electrical wiring it in.  Any EMP set off anywhere near ground level probably wouldn't even damage a lot of the electrical runs on the island not to mention not even touching something 27,000 ft up in the sky. 
Title: Re: Why did Oceanic 815 crash??
Post by: AmazonMonkey on May 30, 2006, 10:44:25 AM
simple answer... so that the Lost producers can make some money

I prefer "Its in the script."  :)
Title: Re: Why did Oceanic 815 crash??
Post by: jugdish on May 30, 2006, 12:27:29 PM
show based on science fact with some writer librities?
Title: Re: Why did Oceanic 815 crash??
Post by: Geronimo Jackson on June 05, 2006, 03:07:27 AM
We have thewhy it was offcourse, something we don't yet caused it to be off course,then was hit by electric magnetic wave.or maybe that is the how.
Title: Re: Why did Oceanic 815 crash??
Post by: Bones on June 05, 2006, 08:14:22 AM
We have thewhy it was offcourse, something we don't yet caused it to be off course,then was hit by electric magnetic wave.or maybe that is the how.

Not from the hatch.  It doesn't work like that and it couldn't have been that strong.
Title: Re: Why did Oceanic 815 crash??
Post by: jugdish on June 05, 2006, 05:45:21 PM
But the producers are telling us that we know why and they should it being Desmonds fault??
Title: Re: Why did Oceanic 815 crash??
Post by: LovinLost on June 05, 2006, 07:40:00 PM
Why did the plane crash but so many survive a crash and a plane breaking up in air like that.
If it was desmonds fault and an accident, why do they seem destined to be there?

It seems like alot of these posts just want to chalk everything up to the producers making a mistake or just "because" they said so.  Why do we have to assume that the EMF was the only factor that caused the crash.  Perhaps the buildup of the EMF only caused the planes electrical and magnetic parts to fail.  Now the pilot has to keep the plane flying with no compass bearing and no electrical working and without these he's the reason the plane crashes.  He was not able to keep it flying.  All the EMF did was knock out the electrical and magnetic operations of the plane and pilot failure did the rest. The pilot clearly said they were off course when the radar went out.  Maybe this was all that happened to the plane from the EMF, the radar was effected and the rest was a simple plane crash like any other.  I don't think the EMF caused the plane to break apart like people are saying.  I think it was the actual crash the broke the plane apart.  However, I am still fascinated with the idea that so many survived and I attribute this to the Island's mysterious EMF. 
Title: Re: Why did Oceanic 815 crash??
Post by: goober on June 05, 2006, 08:06:13 PM
Why did the plane crash but so many survive a crash and a plane breaking up in air like that.
If it was desmonds fault and an accident, why do they seem destined to be there?

It seems like alot of these posts just want to chalk everything up to the producers making a mistake or just "because" they said so.  Why do we have to assume that the EMF was the only factor that caused the crash.  Perhaps the buildup of the EMF only caused the planes electrical and magnetic parts to fail.  Now the pilot has to keep the plane flying with no compass bearing and no electrical working and without these he's the reason the plane crashes.  He was not able to keep it flying.  All the EMF did was knock out the electrical and magnetic operations of the plane and pilot failure did the rest. The pilot clearly said they were off course when the radar went out.  Maybe this was all that happened to the plane from the EMF, the radar was effected and the rest was a simple plane crash like any other.  I don't think the EMF caused the plane to break apart like people are saying.  I think it was the actual crash the broke the plane apart.  However, I am still fascinated with the idea that so many survived and I attribute this to the Island's mysterious EMF. 

Planes generally do not break apart in the air as this one did. They are pretty sound structurally, and even if they were not, the tail section flies off from having the electrical systems and hydraulics knocked offline! I can't buy that. So far everything seems to point to some external force acting on the plane to tear it apart.
Title: Re: Why did Oceanic 815 crash??
Post by: LovinLost on June 05, 2006, 08:18:22 PM
Planes generally do not break apart in the air as this one did. They are pretty sound structurally, and even if they were not, the tail section flies off from having the electrical systems and hydraulics knocked offline! I can't buy that. So far everything seems to point to some external force acting on the plane to tear it apart.
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Could that outside/extrenal force have been major turbulance over the Pacific Ocean and the pilot was so busy trying to fly a plane with no radar and no auto pilot that the turbulance caused the plane to break apart as it did?  Could someone from the Dharma project have had access to the plane itself while it was at the Sydney airport and placed a bomb on the outside of the plane and set it to explode while in midair halfway through the flight, knowing exactly how many minutes it would take for the plane to be flying over the Island, I've seen many bombs set with timers to make it explode at a certain time?  I'm just trying to point out that there are still a few other possibilities that could explain the plane being torn apart by something OTHER than the EMF.  And perhaps the only thing the EMF actually did was screw with the radar and other functions, thus leading to human error or a bomb causing the actual crash itself.  Okay, I admit I may be reaching here with the bomb idea but I'm just making a point.  hehehe
Title: Re: Why did Oceanic 815 crash??
Post by: scrod on June 05, 2006, 09:38:16 PM
Lovinlost, You have a nugget here that I had not thought of before:
And perhaps the only thing the EMF actually did was screw with the radar and other functions

What if that were true, and Desmond's accident only did that much, then the island's 'security system' went shooting up in the air and broke it up, then carried it to the surface.  If we believe the pictures of the black smoke blowing up the engine, this would be pretty plausible explanation.  That would also explain how a big ole slave ship was in the middle of the island, picked up and deposited there by the ancient and honorable black smokey guardian of the island.

There, I have the ultimate answer to the plane crash, all other input is moot.  lock the thread ;)
Title: Re: Why did Oceanic 815 crash??
Post by: goober on June 05, 2006, 09:46:46 PM
Lovinlost, You have a nugget here that I had not thought of before:
And perhaps the only thing the EMF actually did was screw with the radar and other functions

What if that were true, and Desmond's accident only did that much, then the island's 'security system' went shooting up in the air and broke it up, then carried it to the surface.  If we believe the pictures of the black smoke blowing up the engine, this would be pretty plausible explanation.  That would also explain how a big ole slave ship was in the middle of the island, picked up and deposited there by the ancient and honorable black smokey guardian of the island.

There, I have the ultimate answer to the plane crash, all other input is moot.  lock the thread ;)

I like the island defense system idea actually. The weakest part of an aircraft is usually the wing joints methinks. If the plane lost a wing, then their may be sufficient turbulence and structural destabilization to tear it apart. However, I'm with the big black smokey thing.  ;D

Either that or the rest of the four toed statue jumped in the air (sans one foot) and swatted it like a goal-tending Shaqolith!!  ::)
Title: Re: Why did Oceanic 815 crash??
Post by: jugdish on June 05, 2006, 10:17:42 PM
So it is a nice plane saving smoke monster. I am not saying that it did not happen, I hope the explanation is better than that.
Title: Re: Why did Oceanic 815 crash??
Post by: scrod on June 05, 2006, 10:42:40 PM
It satisfies 3 issues:
1 - Breaking plane in mid-air
2 - Gentle landing of plane (and perhaps inhabitants that were outside of plane)
3 - Intentional bringing of these folks to the island

Ocham's Razor baby!
Title: Re: Why did Oceanic 815 crash??
Post by: jugdish on June 05, 2006, 11:17:17 PM
i could be wrong but a little to weird for me
Title: Re: Why did Oceanic 815 crash??
Post by: west tower6580 on June 06, 2006, 01:58:55 AM
I would dare to say that an EMP tore the plane apart after it lost power from flying through the EMP. I believe that the Swan station housed an Explosively Pump Flux Compression Generator, or an EPFCG for short that had to be reset every 108 minutes. The "dump" would emmit an EMP that would fry modern day electronics if exposed directly to the EMP waves, which are comprmised of electrical ions that travel left to right and a magnetic pulse that oscilates up and down. With a capacitator that would be large enough it could theoreticaly spike up to 300 Km. During the closing when Desmond took it offline I beleive that it produced a much more powerful EMP called a Non Nuclear Electro Magnetic Pulse or NNEMP that produced the brilliant white light in the atmosphere; but would literally cook anyone around it because of the extremely high microwave emissions. I am curious to see if Eko , Locke , and Desmond survived that. I am not a scientist; but, I did stay in a Holiday Inn Express last night though .HaHa enjoy.
Title: Re: Why did Oceanic 815 crash??
Post by: scrod on June 06, 2006, 09:49:29 AM
With a capacitator that would be large enough it could theoreticaly spike up to 300 Km.

But that would take a flux capacitor capable of 21,000 Gigwatts!?!?!?!?!?!


Dude, you totally lost me on that one...

Would the NNEMP thingey be directable to the sky?  I have worked for years in chemical\pharmacuetical manufacturing industry and buidlings are generally engineered to direct big 'splosions in a certain direction.  Can the energy you speak of do the same thing, or is that too much power?
Title: Re: Why did Oceanic 815 crash??
Post by: Geronimo Jackson on June 06, 2006, 02:27:11 PM
On those theories the what happend when it wet haywire in the end,any other planes brought down?We have a slave ship from Nigeria,a Beechcraft also from Nigeria (hmmmmm),so how far of course does one have to be  to be brought down?
Title: Re: Why did Oceanic 815 crash??
Post by: therealsawyer on June 06, 2006, 02:38:34 PM
I actualy like the idea of the "smoke monster" but I'm not sure if that falls into the whole scientific fact mindset.  Although to me it is more understandable than all this EMP and Flux Capacitor talk.
Title: Re: Why did Oceanic 815 crash??
Post by: Geronimo Jackson on June 06, 2006, 02:43:34 PM
But is the smoke mosnter really it's own entity and a smoke monster or like Rousseau said a defense mechanism?Did she put it there? She knows way toomuch about that island and not sharing a lot. Or did the others? And what caused it to show Eko his thoughts?
Title: Re: Why did Oceanic 815 crash??
Post by: scrod on June 06, 2006, 02:57:48 PM
I actualy like the idea of the "smoke monster" but I'm not sure if that falls into the whole scientific fact mindset. 
I think that we have seen enough (black horse, dead drunk, wet little boy, Eko's visions in the smoke, etc.) to verify that scientific fact can be 'pushed' to advance the story.
Title: Re: Why did Oceanic 815 crash??
Post by: Geronimo Jackson on June 06, 2006, 02:59:50 PM
I agree with Scrod the boundaries of staying with science fact by producers are being bent and twisted.
Title: Re: Why did Oceanic 815 crash??
Post by: LovinLost on June 06, 2006, 04:56:30 PM
Lovinlost, You have a nugget here that I had not thought of before:
And perhaps the only thing the EMF actually did was screw with the radar and other functions

What if that were true, and Desmond's accident only did that much, then the island's 'security system' went shooting up in the air and broke it up, then carried it to the surface.  If we believe the pictures of the black smoke blowing up the engine, this would be pretty plausible explanation.  That would also explain how a big ole slave ship was in the middle of the island, picked up and deposited there by the ancient and honorable black smokey guardian of the island.

Sounds a bit sarcastic to me... but luckily we can continue to express our thoughts via these threads and I sure appreciate the other views everyone has on these topics.
Title: Re: Why did Oceanic 815 crash??
Post by: Geronimo Jackson on June 06, 2006, 05:00:01 PM
Wehave no evidence tha the black smoke brought the plane down
Title: Re: Why did Oceanic 815 crash??
Post by: LovinLost on June 06, 2006, 05:02:07 PM
Wehave no evidence tha the black smoke brought the plane down

True!
Title: Re: Why did Oceanic 815 crash??
Post by: scrod on June 06, 2006, 10:40:50 PM
Lovinlost, You have a nugget here that I had not thought of before:
And perhaps the only thing the EMF actually did was screw with the radar and other functions

What if that were true, and Desmond's accident only did that much, then the island's 'security system' went shooting up in the air and broke it up, then carried it to the surface.  If we believe the pictures of the black smoke blowing up the engine, this would be pretty plausible explanation.  That would also explain how a big ole slave ship was in the middle of the island, picked up and deposited there by the ancient and honorable black smokey guardian of the island.

Sounds a bit sarcastic to me... but luckily we can continue to express our thoughts via these threads and I sure appreciate the other views everyone has on these topics.

Sorry, sarcasm is my normal tone.  I try to use [sarcasm] tags when I really am being sarcastic.  I can't think of another plausible reason for a plane to break into pieces and fall from the sky, yet have at least 20% of the travelers survive - some of them apparently thrown clear of the actual wreckage.  It would certainly involve some type of a 'gentle landing.'

   I mean, I am all for the 'voluntary suspension of disbelief' that is involved in watching a fictional TV show, but there are some basic laws of physics to contend with here.

PS - lovinlost, you are posting all over - why not register?
Title: Re: Why did Oceanic 815 crash??
Post by: west tower6580 on June 07, 2006, 01:08:53 AM
The flux capacitor would have to be really huge, I agree on that. The NNEMP would more than likely have to be channeled by a dish or tower array. The military has been working on this for years as a low cost replacement to thermonuclear arms. the EPFCG or Explosively Pumped Flux Compression Generator is a pulsed power supply energy from an explosion. EPFCG's are popular as power sources for electronics warfare devices known as " transient electromagnetic devices " that generate an electromagnetic pulse without the costs and side effects of a nuclear weapon, a form of cyber warfare. This might fall into line with the research of the swan station since Alvar Hanso was at one time in arms development. As far as the plane coming apart in midair I'm drawing blanks on that; as well as the people surviving the fall from their cruising altitude.
Title: Re: Why did Oceanic 815 crash??
Post by: jugdish on June 07, 2006, 10:40:50 AM
As far as the plane coming apart in midair I'm drawing blanks on that; as well as the people surviving the fall from their cruising altitude.

This is what is really bothering me. I have no answer to this except maybe the reversal of the magnetic force slowed the crash. (when desmond finally pushed it late) THis is not a great theory either. I just don't like the idea that a smoke monster or what ever it is brought the plane down gently. Maybe it is the reason, I just hope it is a better explanation.
Title: Re: Why did Oceanic 815 crash??
Post by: Geronimo Jackson on July 10, 2006, 03:02:03 PM
As far as the plane coming apart in midair I'm drawing blanks on that; as well as the people surviving the fall from their cruising altitude.

This is what is really bothering me. I have no answer to this except maybe the reversal of the magnetic force slowed the crash. (when desmond finally pushed it late) THis is not a great theory either. I just don't like the idea that a smoke monster or what ever it is brought the plane down gently. Maybe it is the reason, I just hope it is a better explanation.
I think the Des not pushing button carries more weight at this point in time. Could be something else  but not the island.
Title: Re: Why did Oceanic 815 crash??
Post by: jugdish on July 10, 2006, 09:53:59 PM
Tailies recap showed the plane crash and no smoke monster or any form of soft landing. Just crashed in the ocean. Still need an explanation on why so many survived. THere has to be reason other than luck.
Title: Re: Why did Oceanic 815 crash??
Post by: SanoRiley on July 12, 2006, 10:02:10 AM
Tailies recap showed the plane crash and no smoke monster or any form of soft landing. Just crashed in the ocean. Still need an explanation on why so many survived. THere has to be reason other than luck.

Wrong sorry pal.  There was another crash when the tail section went down.  If you didn''t see it, watch it again.
Title: Re: Why did Oceanic 815 crash??
Post by: Pandora on July 12, 2006, 04:49:23 PM
Tailies recap showed the plane crash and no smoke monster or any form of soft landing. Just crashed in the ocean. Still need an explanation on why so many survived. THere has to be reason other than luck.

Wrong sorry pal.  There was another crash when the tail section went down.  If you didn''t see it, watch it again.

Sano:  It's fine to be opinionated, but some of your posts are just downright rude.  If you actually reread jugdish's statement, he is the one who is technically right.  There was no crash on dry land for the tail section, I think you may be the one who needs to rewatch it.
Title: Re: Why did Oceanic 815 crash??
Post by: goober on July 12, 2006, 05:23:21 PM
Tailies recap showed the plane crash and no smoke monster or any form of soft landing. Just crashed in the ocean. Still need an explanation on why so many survived. THere has to be reason other than luck.

Wrong sorry pal.  There was another crash when the tail section went down.  If you didn''t see it, watch it again.

Sano:  It's fine to be opinionated, but some of your posts are just downright rude.  If you actually reread jugdish's statement, he is the one who is technically right.  There was no crash on dry land for the tail section, I think you may be the one who needs to rewatch it.

I concur. I just watched it again last week, the tail section crashed into the ocean and a seat flew into the camera at the beginning. Ana Lucia woke up underwater. Eko was pulling people out of the water. No smoke monster visible.

Oh. Ditto on the rudeness thing too. U need to switch to decaf man.
Title: Re: Why did Oceanic 815 crash??
Post by: MaxsDad on July 12, 2006, 05:26:37 PM
Getem Goober!
Title: Re: Why did Oceanic 815 crash??
Post by: Geronimo Jackson on July 12, 2006, 05:42:18 PM
way to goober
Title: Re: Why did Oceanic 815 crash??
Post by: SanoRiley on July 13, 2006, 11:30:00 AM
Tailies recap showed the plane crash and no smoke monster or any form of soft landing. Just crashed in the ocean. Still need an explanation on why so many survived. THere has to be reason other than luck.

Wrong sorry pal.  There was another crash when the tail section went down.  If you didn''t see it, watch it again.

LOL re: decaf

Sano:  It's fine to be opinionated, but some of your posts are just downright rude.  If you actually reread jugdish's statement, he is the one who is technically right.  There was no crash on dry land for the tail section, I think you may be the one who needs to rewatch it.

I concur. I just watched it again last week, the tail section crashed into the ocean and a seat flew into the camera at the beginning. Ana Lucia woke up underwater. Eko was pulling people out of the water. No smoke monster visible.

Oh. Ditto on the rudeness thing too. U need to switch to decaf man.
Title: Re: Why did Oceanic 815 crash??
Post by: Desmond8MyPopRocks on July 13, 2006, 11:36:15 AM
Tailies recap showed the plane crash and no smoke monster or any form of soft landing. Just crashed in the ocean. Still need an explanation on why so many survived. THere has to be reason other than luck.

Wrong sorry pal.  There was another crash when the tail section went down.  If you didn''t see it, watch it again.

Sano:  It's fine to be opinionated, but some of your posts are just downright rude.  If you actually reread jugdish's statement, he is the one who is technically right.  There was no crash on dry land for the tail section, I think you may be the one who needs to rewatch it.

I concur. I just watched it again last week, the tail section crashed into the ocean and a seat flew into the camera at the beginning. Ana Lucia woke up underwater. Eko was pulling people out of the water. No smoke monster visible.

Oh. Ditto on the rudeness thing too. U need to switch to decaf man.

Don't know about the other person, but I think as I posted before that there was another "something" that hit the water  in The Last 48.

Damn Amazon .... where's the S2 DVD?

cheers!

*Des8
Title: Re: Why did Oceanic 815 crash??
Post by: Geronimo Jackson on July 13, 2006, 02:21:57 PM
Tailies recap showed the plane crash and no smoke monster or any form of soft landing. Just crashed in the ocean. Still need an explanation on why so many survived. THere has to be reason other than luck.

Wrong sorry pal.  There was another crash when the tail section went down.  If you didn''t see it, watch it again.

Sano:  It's fine to be opinionated, but some of your posts are just downright rude.  If you actually reread jugdish's statement, he is the one who is technically right.  There was no crash on dry land for the tail section, I think you may be the one who needs to rewatch it.

I concur. I just watched it again last week, the tail section crashed into the ocean and a seat flew into the camera at the beginning. Ana Lucia woke up underwater. Eko was pulling people out of the water. No smoke monster visible.

Oh. Ditto on the rudeness thing too. U need to switch to decaf man.

Don't know about the other person, but I think as I posted before that there was another "something" that hit the water  in The Last 48.

Damn Amazon .... where's the S2 DVD?

cheers!

*Des8
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Title: Re: Why did Oceanic 815 crash??
Post by: jugdish on July 14, 2006, 11:36:42 AM
I have rewatched it many times and i have seen nothing except pieces of plane hitting the ocean. I wish I knew exactly what part people are talking about that was "something else". Could someone provide a screen cap on this. I watched it in hi def big screen at 1/16 speed and see nothing suspicious. But I am open to it if I could just find it.

And how does someone get stuck in a tree in a plane seat??
Title: Re: Why did Oceanic 815 crash??
Post by: Desmond8MyPopRocks on July 15, 2006, 07:13:23 AM
I have rewatched it many times and i have seen nothing except pieces of plane hitting the ocean. I wish I knew exactly what part people are talking about that was "something else". Could someone provide a screen cap on this. I watched it in hi def big screen at 1/16 speed and see nothing suspicious. But I am open to it if I could just find it.

And how does someone get stuck in a tree in a plane seat??

I'll look for the screencap, but the last foreign object to fly over the Island when the Tailies hit the water came from a different direction, and you heard the Monster sound.  It aired in The First 48, in the "reunion" show, and one other, I believe-but it was distinctive.  It wasn't at the exact same time our tail section came down, it was while Ana was already on the beach, I think MrEko was too, but the camera panned over to the ocean when you heard what we now know is the Monster sound.

cheers
*Des8
Title: Re: Why did Oceanic 815 crash??
Post by: LostGirlDeb on July 15, 2006, 01:08:51 PM
I have rewatched it many times and i have seen nothing except pieces of plane hitting the ocean. I wish I knew exactly what part people are talking about that was "something else". Could someone provide a screen cap on this. I watched it in hi def big screen at 1/16 speed and see nothing suspicious. But I am open to it if I could just find it.

And how does someone get stuck in a tree in a plane seat??
Gettin stuck in the tree seemed very odd to me too, but I can't see him climbing up there and putting himself in the seat either.. hmm  
Title: Re: Why did Oceanic 815 crash??
Post by: Geronimo Jackson on July 15, 2006, 10:05:47 PM
I have rewatched it many times and i have seen nothing except pieces of plane hitting the ocean. I wish I knew exactly what part people are talking about that was "something else". Could someone provide a screen cap on this. I watched it in hi def big screen at 1/16 speed and see nothing suspicious. But I am open to it if I could just find it.

And how does someone get stuck in a tree in a plane seat??
Gettin stuck in the tree seemed very odd to me too, but I can't see him climbing up there and putting himself in the seat either.. hmm  
My question too a few posts down, didn't see it go flying by hmmmmm....... but how could they get him up in a tree so fast with a dead body?
Title: Re: Why did Oceanic 815 crash??
Post by: Geronimo Jackson on July 15, 2006, 10:07:01 PM
I have rewatched it many times and i have seen nothing except pieces of plane hitting the ocean. I wish I knew exactly what part people are talking about that was "something else". Could someone provide a screen cap on this. I watched it in hi def big screen at 1/16 speed and see nothing suspicious. But I am open to it if I could just find it.

And how does someone get stuck in a tree in a plane seat??

I'll look for the screencap, but the last foreign object to fly over the Island when the Tailies hit the water came from a different direction, and you heard the Monster sound.  It aired in The First 48, in the "reunion" show, and one other, I believe-but it was distinctive.  It wasn't at the exact same time our tail section came down, it was while Ana was already on the beach, I think MrEko was too, but the camera panned over to the ocean when you heard what we now know is the Monster sound.

cheers
*Des8
Des is right but I thought I heard monster sound as plane was coming down.Very distinctive as the three pieces hit.
Title: Re: Why did Oceanic 815 crash??
Post by: Desmond8MyPopRocks on July 16, 2006, 05:46:38 AM
Remember, Kate and Sawyer found 2 dead peeps still in their seats in a freshwater spring with the Haliburton still intact under the seat... how do two peeps end up in their seats, clutching hands about 5 miles into the Island?  NO idea, but a babydoll was there in the water....

cheers
*Des8
Title: Re: Why did Oceanic 815 crash??
Post by: Geronimo Jackson on July 16, 2006, 02:17:41 PM
Remember, Kate and Sawyer found 2 dead peeps still in their seats in a freshwater spring with the Haliburton still intact under the seat... how do two peeps end up in their seats, clutching hands about 5 miles into the Island?  NO idea, but a babydoll was there in the water....

cheers
*Des8

Interesting another baby doll.And one could  say impossible that they found the halburton case but we ahve to suspend disbeiff.
Title: Re: Why did Oceanic 815 crash??
Post by: Desmond8MyPopRocks on July 17, 2006, 04:35:15 PM
Remember, Kate and Sawyer found 2 dead peeps still in their seats in a freshwater spring with the Haliburton still intact under the seat... how do two peeps end up in their seats, clutching hands about 5 miles into the Island?  NO idea, but a babydoll was there in the water....

cheers
*Des8

Interesting another baby doll.And one could  say impossible that they found the halburton case but we ahve to suspend disbeiff.
GJ: true re: the Halliburton.  I always wondered how that stayed intact underneath the feet of the two dead people clutching hands that landed in the fresh water spring (where we saw the babydoll)...very odd.

Also, Jack saw a babydoll when he found the fresh water by the caves that DrDrunk led him to, didn't he?  Or am I getting confused here?

cheers
*Des8
Title: Re: Why did Oceanic 815 crash??
Post by: Geronimo Jackson on July 18, 2006, 03:00:59 AM
NoI think he did maybe it was Danielle's stash?
Title: Re: Why did Oceanic 815 crash??
Post by: Sweet Old Lady on July 18, 2006, 04:46:00 AM
Those baby dolls really creep me out.  I'm getting a Chuckie kind of feeling about them.   :o
Title: Re: Why did Oceanic 815 crash??
Post by: Geronimo Jackson on July 18, 2006, 12:31:14 PM
Yeah  never thought about ole Chuckie but they are creepy. :) :)
Title: Re: Why did Oceanic 815 crash??
Post by: relient k on July 19, 2006, 05:16:20 PM
Right now it seems that Desmond not pushing the button is why Oceanic 815 crashed. The electronmagnet got too strong and 'pulled' the plane apart. I'm a little confused just how that could happen when comparing the two accounts of what happens when you don't push the button; 1. Desmond after he killed Kelvin, running back but able to reset the code, and 2. Locke's takeover of the button refusing to push it.

Would you agree that the effects of not pushing the button were worse with Locke than it was the first time with Desmond alone?  I think so on account of the metal bending in on the countdown clock and all the other damage. All the metal was being pulled toward that part of the hatch. In comparison, I didn't see this with the Desmond alone situation, yet Desmond's was the one that supposedly "pulled" 815 apart.  So then why, when the force was much stronger with Locke, simple things like metal around camp and the Other's guns (made of metal) weren't drawn to the hatch too???

How could one appear stronger and not attract small metal objects like guns and the one that is not as strong pulls a plane apart???

Maybe it has something to do with where and how the build up is released?







they will probably find a plane they crashed next season
Title: Re: Why did Oceanic 815 crash??
Post by: Kentoss on July 20, 2006, 08:17:45 PM
A theory of mine could be that the actual threat lies else where, and that by releaseing the EMP from the Swan station, it stops the other threat on the island from acting as a large magnet, and when Desmond didn't release the EMP, the other threat got too powerful and started to get more magnetic. Or something, just a theory.
Title: Re: Why did Oceanic 815 crash??
Post by: Geronimo Jackson on July 22, 2006, 07:41:51 PM
A theory of mine could be that the actual threat lies else where, and that by releaseing the EMP from the Swan station, it stops the other threat on the island from acting as a large magnet, and when Desmond didn't release the EMP, the other threat got too powerful and started to get more magnetic. Or something, just a theory.
Okay i'm with you so far so what happend when Des and locke hit fails safe key?
Title: Re: Why did Oceanic 815 crash??
Post by: Kentoss on July 23, 2006, 10:55:23 AM
It is possible that it releases another EMP, a stronger one that would not be affected by the magnetism of the threat. I haven't really thought about it too much.
Title: Re: Why did Oceanic 815 crash??
Post by: Geronimo Jackson on July 23, 2006, 08:41:25 PM
But this oen was so strong it made the island desne system fail so it couldbe actually spotted inartic or antartic.