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Title: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: siouxiesue1919 on May 29, 2006, 03:44:30 PM
Ok....it's far fetched, but maybe, and just MAYBE Kelvin could still be alive.  It seemed to me like he was kindof leading Desmond on.  The whole thing where he was drunk seemed a little staged and it I felt like he wanted Desmond to follow him out to the boat (because of the obvious cut in his suit).  The didn't show that he was DEAD...they just showed a little blood coming out of his head (and by a little, I mean "a lot").

Maybe I'm reaching because I hope that Clancy Brown could be more of a reoccuring character...so I'm going to base this theory on watching too many horror movies:  If they don't bury the body or cut his head off, he's probably still alive. :)
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Geronimo Jackson on May 29, 2006, 03:57:22 PM
I agree .I think he is still alive.It didn't seem likethat hard of a blow on the head.Kelvin is trained in special Ops with the CIA, he knows how to survive. He also knows what is on the map blast doors and knows what hatches to go to and hide.I also feel we need a back story on him from how he went from CIA to working for Dharma,so just on that perhaps he is still alive.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: davf0 on May 29, 2006, 04:06:11 PM
no i think the actual idea was that he was dead, but they left it open ended enough to decide later, like wheres the body now still there ?
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Geronimo Jackson on May 29, 2006, 04:14:08 PM
Desmod thinks he killed him though.He didn't sayi f he buried him or just freaked out and left him there which means.........
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: AmazonMonkey on May 29, 2006, 04:26:56 PM
Desmod thinks he killed him though.He didn't sayi f he buried him or just freaked out and left him there which means.........

He woudln't have much time to bury him, if the timer ran out when he followed him the first time, and now he would have to go, move him to dirt, dig a hole, and bury him... and Kelvin mentioned how much of a bear it was when he had to bury Rudinsky.  My guess he focused more on sleep and the button.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Pandora on May 29, 2006, 09:12:24 PM
I think this is a valid point and one I wonder about also.  As you guys know, I help sledge update his index files, and when I update'd Kelvin's & Desmond's profiles, I left it as "smashed his head against a rock, and Desmond believes he killed him".  It's hard to tell in a show with all these twists and turns.

In this case, we had many strong indicators that Kelvin appeared mortally injured, but there was the time crunch with Desmond, so it leaves maybe a 5-10% doubt in my head.

1)  Desmond seemed like a character that was almost too trusting of what he saw/heard.  He pushed the button for 3 years without question.

2)  The plane crashed on Sept 22 (the day of Kelvin's supposed death), yet it was weeks before Desmond even realized there were people on the island.  If you recall, Locke and Boone had to first find the hatch (this was not right away), and then for some time, they tried to open it, at one point even employing a complicated trebuchet, and digging all around the hatch.  I find this a little incredible that Desmond wouldn't have heard anything during this time (plot hole, I think; maybe he was listening to his Mamma Cass LP too loudly?).  But I think it's an indicator from the storyline that he wasn't out exploring around the area, or else he would have bumped into someone on his way to bury Kelvin. He didn't realize that there were others on the island until after Locke was banging on the hatch door; and this was after Boone had died already ("Do No Harm")

PS:  OK, just found it in the timeline.  Boone died on Day 41, meaning that that much time had passed between the Kelvin incident and Locke's banging on the hatch.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: NoraCharles on May 29, 2006, 09:21:44 PM
no i think the actual idea was that he was dead, but they left it open ended enough to decide later, like wheres the body now still there ?

I'm thinking now I need to go back and rewatch the first episode with Desmond to see if he says more about Kelvin and his death when he's telling his story to the Losties.

That's the beginning of Season 2 right? I hope I still have that on tape somewhere.....
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: AmazonMonkey on May 29, 2006, 09:26:19 PM
PS:  OK, just found it in the timeline.  Boone died on Day 41, meaning that that much time had passed between the Kelvin incident and Locke's banging on the hatch.

Yep, 5 weeks and for the last week or more digging, banging, etc and he doesn't hear a thing until Locke bangs his fist against it (and then again when the dynamite goes off.).   Also he takes Kate at gunpoint, but he asks Locke if he is HIM.  Maybe we missed him asking Kate and her not answering but if he didn't that seems sexext.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: jugdish on May 29, 2006, 09:26:35 PM
Desmond was stir crazy when they found him. All jumpy and adjetated. Like he had not been out in years. He must of stayed locked up in the hatch since kelvin "died". SHouldn't his body still be there when he went for the boat, unless a polar bear dragged him off.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: AmazonMonkey on May 29, 2006, 09:42:47 PM
Desmond was stir crazy when they found him. All jumpy and adjetated. Like he had not been out in years. He must of stayed locked up in the hatch since kelvin "died". SHouldn't his body still be there when he went for the boat, unless a polar bear dragged him off.

It should be, and he never said it wasn't (and we never saw him cast off with the  the boat).   So I supposed unless they choose to show us we will never know.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: jugdish on May 29, 2006, 09:47:35 PM
Very true. We only know what they show us. I have been trying to adopt an attitude that I will believe what they show us  until proven wrong. THis at least gives me a basis to make my predictions on. But I have to admit it is very possible that he is still alive. HE did not check for a pulse before running back to the hatch.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Pandora on May 29, 2006, 09:51:39 PM
no i think the actual idea was that he was dead, but they left it open ended enough to decide later, like wheres the body now still there ?

I'm thinking now I need to go back and rewatch the first episode with Desmond to see if he says more about Kelvin and his death when he's telling his story to the Losties.

That's the beginning of Season 2 right? I hope I still have that on tape somewhere.....

THe problem is, there wasn't much that was said in that scene, I watched it a few times myself.  :)   If you are seeking it, it was all from "Orientation" which is S2E3 (he says nothing about it in Man of Science, Man of Faith)... and the two times Kelvin is mentioned in the script is:

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DESMOND: It was 3 years ago. I was on a solo race around the world, and my boat crashed into the reef, and then Kelvin came.

LOCKE: Kelvin?

DESMOND: Kelvin -- he comes running out of the jungle -- hurry, hurry, come with me. He brings me down here. The first thing he does -- because there's beeping already -- he types in the code, he pushes the button, and it stops. What was all that about, I say. Just saving the world, he says.

JACK: Saving the world?

DESMOND: His words, not mine. So I started pushing the button, too. And we saved the world together for awhile, and that was lovely. Then Kelvin died, and now here I am all alone. The end.

[Jack hands over the jar and Desmond tries to fix the computer.]


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DESMOND: Kelvin died waiting for his replacements.

JACK: You don't get out, you don't see anyone. Where does your food come from? You really think this is happening.

DESMOND: Why wouldn't it be?

... he flees the hatch shortly afterwards, without much more info than this.  Can I just say how funny he is when he tells the story?  Yadda yadda yadda... THE END. LOL

(I do a lot of script checking for writing the index files, where we try to stay very accurate... but if you ever need to check the scripts, here's a good place for them:

http://www.losttv-forum.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=68)
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: jugdish on May 29, 2006, 09:55:36 PM
Great facts, looks like he just stayed inside, rode his bike, listen to a geronomo jackson, ate some dharma food, shot himself up and punched the button.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Pandora on May 29, 2006, 10:01:29 PM
Great facts, looks like he just stayed inside, rode his bike, listen to a geronomo jackson, ate some dharma food, shot himself up and punched the button.

I was thinking, he must have played that music darned loud... haha.  I wrote this in another thread I think, but the survivors were out there for 41 days without him having a clue there were others on the island... including the time Boone and Locke were up there knocking away at the hatch door with a giant trebuchet.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: AmazonMonkey on May 29, 2006, 10:02:11 PM
Great facts, looks like he just stayed inside, rode his bike, listen to a geronomo jackson, ate some dharma food, shot himself up and punched the button.


IS there anything else more gratifying?  :)
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Pandora on May 29, 2006, 10:05:03 PM

IS there anything else more gratifying?  :)

I dunno, I think he would have been a little happier with a Mrs. Desmond in there with him... a Penny type.  LOL.  Kelvin doesn't look like much of a cuddler.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: jugdish on May 29, 2006, 10:06:29 PM
Yeah a hot woman to spend the time with  maybe Kate.

If he plays his music like I do, he wouldn't of heard a thing.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: AmazonMonkey on May 29, 2006, 10:21:45 PM

IS there anything else more gratifying?  :)

I dunno, I think he would have been a little happier with a Mrs. Desmond in there with him... a Penny type.  LOL.  Kelvin doesn't look like much of a cuddler.

A Penny saved, is a Penny earned ;) 
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: WhatThe on May 30, 2006, 01:46:41 AM
Um, just noticed something from someone else's post:

"DESMOND: It was 3 years ago. I was on a solo race around the world, and my boat crashed into the reef, and then Kelvin came.

LOCKE: Kelvin?

DESMOND: Kelvin -- he comes running out of the jungle -- hurry, hurry, come with me. He brings me down here. The first thing he does -- because there's beeping already -- he types in the code, he pushes the button, and it stops. What was all that about, I say. Just saving the world, he says."

According to Desmond's initial story, Kelvin comes "running out of the jungle" and says "hurry, hurry, come with me"...pretty much sounds like Desmond has his wits about him and can actually follow Kelvin back to the hatch, doesn't it?

Yet according to the flashback, Desmond was barely coherent and was dragged back to the hatch after washing up injured on the beach.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: OLLY-wood on May 30, 2006, 04:37:29 AM
Um, just noticed something from someone else's post:

"DESMOND: It was 3 years ago. I was on a solo race around the world, and my boat crashed into the reef, and then Kelvin came.

LOCKE: Kelvin?

DESMOND: Kelvin -- he comes running out of the jungle -- hurry, hurry, come with me. He brings me down here. The first thing he does -- because there's beeping already -- he types in the code, he pushes the button, and it stops. What was all that about, I say. Just saving the world, he says."

According to Desmond's initial story, Kelvin comes "running out of the jungle" and says "hurry, hurry, come with me"...pretty much sounds like Desmond has his wits about him and can actually follow Kelvin back to the hatch, doesn't it?

Yet according to the flashback, Desmond was barely coherent and was dragged back to the hatch after washing up injured on the beach.

very nice catch
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Bones on May 30, 2006, 08:17:18 AM
Um, just noticed something from someone else's post:

"DESMOND: It was 3 years ago. I was on a solo race around the world, and my boat crashed into the reef, and then Kelvin came.

LOCKE: Kelvin?

DESMOND: Kelvin -- he comes running out of the jungle -- hurry, hurry, come with me. He brings me down here. The first thing he does -- because there's beeping already -- he types in the code, he pushes the button, and it stops. What was all that about, I say. Just saving the world, he says."

According to Desmond's initial story, Kelvin comes "running out of the jungle" and says "hurry, hurry, come with me"...pretty much sounds like Desmond has his wits about him and can actually follow Kelvin back to the hatch, doesn't it?

Yet according to the flashback, Desmond was barely coherent and was dragged back to the hatch after washing up injured on the beach.

very nice catch

Yeah I noticed this before.  Remember the context...Desmond is trying to tell the story so jack will stop pointing his gun at the floor and let Desmond try to fix the computer.  He's being very brief so that he can start fixing it.

That's the deal.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: BlackrockBob on May 30, 2006, 08:47:41 AM
I have thought about the two stories of how Desmond meets Kelvin.
Would you tell strangers about your boat? I think Desmond sees this as a way out, and just makes up the story.

I don't think anyone died in the hatch (Des, Locke, Eko). Was there a large explosion? I don't remember one except Eko's dynamite earlier. The loud notice and lights, then the hatch door flying down.
Someone on another thread said that it could have been a reverse magnetism field. I think the key just destroyed Dharma's experiment. Everything went back to the way it was before. No buildup that needed discharging.

I also think Kelvin COULD be alive. On this show, unless you see them bury someone, I don't think it is safe to say they are dead. You have to remember Kelvin was a CIA op. He could have been playing Des.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: AmazonMonkey on May 30, 2006, 10:38:31 AM

Not to mention, how many writers are there, and now how many episodes are there?  Were going to see more and more issues with continuity simply because of the stories that have already been told, are being wahsed out by new ideas and future plans.  We expect too much of them measly human beings that bring this show to us.  We need to suspend our disbeleif sometimes.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: jugdish on May 30, 2006, 12:36:43 PM
I expect nothing but the greatest mystery to continue to be written at the highest level with no mistakes and everything meaning something terribly important.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: demra on May 30, 2006, 12:38:47 PM
Kelvin is dead 
nuff said
 ;D
 ;D
 ;D
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Bones on May 30, 2006, 12:41:18 PM
I expect nothing but the greatest mystery to continue to be written at the highest level with no mistakes and everything meaning something terribly important.

I also have the expectation that all is infinitely important.  I assume that God Himself wrote this.  If not I'll cry a lot and be really "put out."
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: OLLY-wood on May 30, 2006, 01:22:18 PM

I also have the expectation that all is infinitely important.  I assume that God Himself wrote this.  If not I'll cry a lot and be really "put out."

put out or get out... but i do think he might still be alive
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: WhatThe on May 30, 2006, 01:28:42 PM
Um, just noticed something from someone else's post:

"DESMOND: It was 3 years ago. I was on a solo race around the world, and my boat crashed into the reef, and then Kelvin came.

LOCKE: Kelvin?

DESMOND: Kelvin -- he comes running out of the jungle -- hurry, hurry, come with me. He brings me down here. The first thing he does -- because there's beeping already -- he types in the code, he pushes the button, and it stops. What was all that about, I say. Just saving the world, he says."

According to Desmond's initial story, Kelvin comes "running out of the jungle" and says "hurry, hurry, come with me"...pretty much sounds like Desmond has his wits about him and can actually follow Kelvin back to the hatch, doesn't it?

Yet according to the flashback, Desmond was barely coherent and was dragged back to the hatch after washing up injured on the beach.

very nice catch

Yeah I noticed this before.  Remember the context...Desmond is trying to tell the story so jack will stop pointing his gun at the floor and let Desmond try to fix the computer.  He's being very brief so that he can start fixing it.

That's the deal.

Doesn't make any sense...If Desmond's wanting to be "very brief" why add dialogue to his story that never took place? ("Hurry hurry...come with me"). And does it really take that much longer to say "I was in a terrible storm...next thing I knew I woke up here in this hatch"? Of course not.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: WhatThe on May 30, 2006, 01:31:00 PM
I have thought about the two stories of how Desmond meets Kelvin.
Would you tell strangers about your boat? I think Desmond sees this as a way out, and just makes up the story.
This doesn't make any sense, either. Why would saying "I washed up on the beach and Kelvin brought me back here" require Desmond to tell anyone about his boat? In fact, that story is even better at concealing his boat because it assumes that the boat sank somewhere...he washed up on the beach without it.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: WhatThe on May 30, 2006, 01:32:13 PM

Not to mention, how many writers are there, and now how many episodes are there?  Were going to see more and more issues with continuity simply because of the stories that have already been told, are being wahsed out by new ideas and future plans.  We expect too much of them measly human beings that bring this show to us.  We need to suspend our disbeleif sometimes.

A continuity f*ck up definitely makes the most sense lol  :D
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Bones on May 30, 2006, 01:49:51 PM
Doesn't make any sense...If Desmond's wanting to be "very brief" why add dialogue to his story that never took place? ("Hurry hurry...come with me"). And does it really take that much longer to say "I was in a terrible storm...next thing I knew I woke up here in this hatch"? Of course not.

Not very brief but very understandable.  The logic of a man with a gun pointed at him is not as easily traceable as you make it out to be.  Perhaps he said this because he thought it was the most believable thing to say.  With less mystery (like being dragged through the woods by multiple people in yellow suits) there are fewer questions to be asked, therefore a quicker solution, and the ability to repair the computer more quickly.  Expediency in exact wording isn't what I was talking about.... expediency in conversation is and it is what any normal person would be concerned with.   Get the gun pointed at the floor so I can fix the computer instead of fielding questions about who all those people in yellow suits were and where his boat is and what else is mentioned.  Remember he says only that Kelvin said he was saving the world and then says he ran off.  This is obviously a paraphrase with some editing so that he isn't protrayed as a murderer and so that he doesn't have to answer a million questions.

Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Pandora on May 30, 2006, 01:53:25 PM
Yeah I agree with Bones and the other guy, I think it's most likely a continuity error, and not a huge one; it wasn't a big contradiction.

The words of a guy who was half conscious when Kelvin found him, he probably just made something up... not literally recounting word for word what happened, just telling a general story.  It wasn't like he was thinking of his words carefully for a court statement or something.

There are bigger continuity problems, like Desmond's girlfriend's picture (from Orientation, compared to the finale).
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: WhatThe on May 30, 2006, 02:07:40 PM
Doesn't make any sense...If Desmond's wanting to be "very brief" why add dialogue to his story that never took place? ("Hurry hurry...come with me"). And does it really take that much longer to say "I was in a terrible storm...next thing I knew I woke up here in this hatch"? Of course not.

Not very brief but very understandable.  The logic of a man with a gun pointed at him is not as easily traceable as you make it out to be.  Perhaps he said this because he thought it was the most believable thing to say.  With less mystery (like being dragged through the woods by multiple people in yellow suits) there are fewer questions to be asked, therefore a quicker solution, and the ability to repair the computer more quickly.  Expediency in exact wording isn't what I was talking about.... expediency in conversation is and it is what any normal person would be concerned with.   Get the gun pointed at the floor so I can fix the computer instead of fielding questions about who all those people in yellow suits were and where his boat is and what else is mentioned.  Remember he says only that Kelvin said he was saving the world and then says he ran off.  This is obviously a paraphrase with some editing so that he isn't protrayed as a murderer and so that he doesn't have to answer a million questions.



You make it sound like either Desmond has to completely make up a story, or sit down for an hour and a half and tell Jack every detail of what really happened lol. Everything Desmond told Jack was the truth...except how he got from the beach to the hatch? And he lied about that part and that part alone because he thought that saying his ship sank during a storm and he washed up on the beach sounded LESS believable than some strange guy running out from the middle of the jungle saying "Hurry hurry, come with me"?..lol

By the way, Desmond wasn't concerned one iota about the gun being pointed at him during that scene with Jack...it was the fact that Jack took away his jar of (bolts? screws?) he needed to try and fix the computer. Something tells me that Jack's decision to give Desmond his jar back did not hinge on exactly how Desmond made it from the beach to the hatch. And I'm finding it next to impossible to believe that Desmond, in the throws of a panic at realizing the world may possibly come to an end shortly, had the presence of mind to determine that one small detail in his story was the only one he needed to lie about in order to get Jack to give him the jar back.

Script continuity flaw is the most logical reason for the contradiction.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: WhatThe on May 30, 2006, 02:10:17 PM
Yeah I agree with Bones and the other guy, I think it's most likely a continuity error, and not a huge one; it wasn't a big contradiction.

The words of a guy who was half conscious when Kelvin found him, he probably just made something up... not literally recounting word for word what happened, just telling a general story.  It wasn't like he was thinking of his words carefully for a court statement or something.

There are bigger continuity problems, like Desmond's girlfriend's picture (from Orientation, compared to the finale).

Again, we make it sound like it was impossible for Desmond to truthfully say "I woke up here, I'm not exactly sure how I got here...last thing I remember was being in a huge storm". Is this REALLY that difficult for anyone except me to imagine Desmond saying without problem?
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Bones on May 30, 2006, 02:18:08 PM

Again, we make it sound like it was impossible for Desmond to truthfully say "I woke up here, I'm not exactly sure how I got here...last thing I remember was being in a huge storm". Is this REALLY that difficult for anyone except me to imagine Desmond saying without problem?

You are very stuck on the ways in which you would respond to this situation.  Your speculation, while being well thought out, is just that...speculation.  You could be right...and you could be wrong.  Unless you have a connection to the producers that we don't know about...
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: jugdish on May 30, 2006, 03:57:19 PM
THis really appears to be a mole hill not a mountain. He could of said it a number of ways but he shortened it the way he did. Not a big mystery I believe.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Bones on May 30, 2006, 04:07:43 PM
THis really appears to be a mole hill not a mountain. He could of said it a number of ways but he shortened it the way he did. Not a big mystery I believe.

um...yeah. 
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: WhatThe on May 30, 2006, 04:47:04 PM
THis really appears to be a mole hill not a mountain. He could of said it a number of ways but he shortened it the way he did. Not a big mystery I believe.
It's not about whether or not it plays an important role in the plot...it's more about a seemingly absurd desire to rationalize the somewhat obvious script flaw by inventing reasons for its existence lol. The flawed logic to do so is what I'm debating, not whether or not I've stumbled upon some great secret. For some reason it seems more important around here to assume the writers had Desmond's character purposefully lie about that small part of his story to Jack than it is to say "Yeah, that doesn't make sense, does it"..lol.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: siouxiesue1919 on May 31, 2006, 04:42:19 PM
Doesn't make any sense...If Desmond's wanting to be "very brief" why add dialogue to his story that never took place? ("Hurry hurry...come with me"). And does it really take that much longer to say "I was in a terrible storm...next thing I knew I woke up here in this hatch"? Of course not.

Not very brief but very understandable.  The logic of a man with a gun pointed at him is not as easily traceable as you make it out to be.  Perhaps he said this because he thought it was the most believable thing to say.  With less mystery (like being dragged through the woods by multiple people in yellow suits) there are fewer questions to be asked, therefore a quicker solution, and the ability to repair the computer more quickly.  Expediency in exact wording isn't what I was talking about.... expediency in conversation is and it is what any normal person would be concerned with.   Get the gun pointed at the floor so I can fix the computer instead of fielding questions about who all those people in yellow suits were and where his boat is and what else is mentioned.  Remember he says only that Kelvin said he was saving the world and then says he ran off.  This is obviously a paraphrase with some editing so that he isn't protrayed as a murderer and so that he doesn't have to answer a million questions.



He wasn't pulled off the beach by multiple men in yellow suits....just Kelvin.  The way they filmed it, with his blurry vision made it look like it was a bunch of men.  I though the same thing when I first watched it. :)
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Bones on May 31, 2006, 08:08:58 PM
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He wasn't pulled off the beach by multiple men in yellow suits....just Kelvin.  The way they filmed it, with his blurry vision made it look like it was a bunch of men.  I though the same thing when I first watched it.

Thanks.  I wasn't sure.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Geronimo Jackson on May 31, 2006, 08:47:15 PM
Why not tell Jack and Locke the truth?
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: demra on June 01, 2006, 12:20:30 PM
when they first met ?

if that is what you  are asking  he might have if he was givin time to do so but once he saw the comp was shot he was getting out of there as fast as possible
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: jugdish on June 01, 2006, 12:27:25 PM
Why not tell Jack and Locke the truth?

Because this is lost and nobody talks or tells the truth.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: demra on June 01, 2006, 12:37:21 PM
Why not tell Jack and Locke the truth?

Because this is lost and nobody talks or tells the truth.


Truest thing ever said
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Bones on June 01, 2006, 05:07:06 PM
Ask what's his face.  He seems to know the answer to everything without a doubt in his mind lol.

Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: AmazonMonkey on June 01, 2006, 05:36:12 PM
Ask what's his face.  He seems to know the answer to everything without a doubt in his mind lol.




Who is whats his face?
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: WhatThe on June 02, 2006, 01:09:00 AM
Also about Desmond's story:

"DESMOND: It was 3 years ago. I was on a solo race around the world, and my boat crashed into the reef, and then Kelvin came.

LOCKE: Kelvin?

DESMOND: Kelvin -- he comes running out of the jungle -- hurry, hurry, come with me. He brings me down here. The first thing he does -- because there's beeping already -- he types in the code, he pushes the button, and it stops. What was all that about, I say. Just saving the world, he says."


Um, that wasn't the first thing Kelvin does because the computer was not beeping already. Desmond watched Kelvin go through his things, throw them around as if irritated. Then Kelvin has a short convo with Desmond, starting off by asking him the snowman question. Desmond tells Kelvin that he has no idea what he's talking about, and Kelvin becomes despondent upon hearing that response. Then, and only then, does the beeping start up. First Desmond says Kelvin runs out of the jungle saying "hurry hurry, come with me", when no such thing ever happened...then he says that the computer was already beeping when he first enters the hatch, when it clearly was not. Is this just a really bad continuity flaw (lol), or is there something more to this? (I'm going with continuity flaw)




Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: jugdish on June 02, 2006, 10:57:39 AM
I think we are reading to much into desmonds story. He was just giving locke the main details of the event.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: demra on June 02, 2006, 11:01:01 AM
still thinking that Kelvin is dead
all the theories  are way to complex for me to buy into yet as being possible
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: jugdish on June 02, 2006, 11:11:21 AM
I am with you demra.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: demra on June 02, 2006, 11:32:50 AM
Did Bones ever say who he/she was talking about


Ask what's his face.  He seems to know the answer to everything without a doubt in his mind lol.


Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: jugdish on June 02, 2006, 12:29:00 PM
been avoiding that question. I can't be me, I never know what I am talking about.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Bones on June 02, 2006, 08:56:28 PM
been avoiding that question. I can't be me, I never know what I am talking about.

Nevermind.  It ain't you lovelies.  There was a clue in the first post I gave lol.  It's here too lol.

lol.  lol. 

you can figure it out.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: OLLY-wood on June 02, 2006, 10:32:16 PM
been avoiding that question. I can't be me, I never know what I am talking about.

Nevermind.  It ain't you lovelies.  There was a clue in the first post I gave lol.  It's here too lol.

lol.  lol. 

you can figure it out.

go to the OPXFC... you have a title...
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: jugdish on June 03, 2006, 01:08:45 AM
I figured it out. Very subtle.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Bones on June 03, 2006, 12:04:20 PM
I figured it out. Very subtle.

That's why you're the academic advisor.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: demra on June 03, 2006, 02:12:27 PM
four pages later and Kelvin is still dead

Just MHO
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: PurpleLostPrincess on June 04, 2006, 10:23:42 PM
I happened to watch the episode 'And Found...' this week and noticed that while the taillies and Michael/Jin/Sawyer were trekking back to our side of the island, there was some footage of them in the area that Kelvin was supposedly killed. It's quite distinctive landscape so I'm sure it was the same place. I worked out that it would have been after they got into the hatch and so after Desmond would have gone to get his boat but the most prominent thing was that there was no body at all... got me thinking anyway!

Posted this earlier today in the wrong thread so I thought I'd copy it into here!  
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Geronimo Jackson on June 04, 2006, 11:02:05 PM
What i call the Planet ofThe Apes Homage landscape?You may have a point PLP, so where was ole kelvin? But he area kelvin and desmond went o went on for miles and miles.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Bones on June 04, 2006, 11:24:28 PM
I happened to watch the episode 'And Found...' this week and noticed that while the taillies and Michael/Jin/Sawyer were trekking back to our side of the island, there was some footage of them in the area that Kelvin was supposedly killed. It's quite distinctive landscape so I'm sure it was the same place. I worked out that it would have been after they got into the hatch and so after Desmond would have gone to get his boat but the most prominent thing was that there was no body at all... got me thinking anyway!

Posted this earlier today in the wrong thread so I thought I'd copy it into here!  

This is a very good catch but I'm starting to think that the writers aren't as keen as we once thought...and that we can't hang on their every screen shot to think about really far out ideas.  Think about the picture of Desmond's GF before and who she is now...that is a big continuity problem.  I think we're going to start seeing more of these things.  I think the writers can either leave him dead or bring him back to life.

And as for the producers saying they had written most of the material already....I see a lot of evidence that they're just writing as the go along...and that makes for bad plots and bad details and bad direction.  I read Sledge's rant on the last epi and I have to agree...I'm confused.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: jugdish on June 05, 2006, 12:28:01 AM
love the show and think the writers and producers are brillant, but you are right we give them to much credit. Sometimes they are rushing to get the shows done and they are suppose to remember every detail. Mistakes happen.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Geronimo Jackson on June 05, 2006, 12:32:22 AM
That's why we have a continuity error forum the more I think about it this could be one they messed up on.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: PurpleLostPrincess on June 05, 2006, 06:39:00 AM
Absolutely agree, it could be a continuity error and I'll hold my hands up if it is.

But what struck me was that they focussed for a good few seconds on the area where the boat was (in the finale) too. The sea was a bit choppy but that was the only difference. There have been other occasions when they have seemingly focussed on a shot for a few extra seconds because it is significant.

If you get the chance, watch the episode and let me know what you think...
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: AmazonMonkey on June 05, 2006, 09:01:15 AM
love the show and think the writers and producers are brillant, but you are right we give them to much credit. Sometimes they are rushing to get the shows done and they are suppose to remember every detail. Mistakes happen.

Yep I agree, the more twists and turns they create the more they have to remember, not only that they have to go back and look for things they weren't intenfing being to transfix on, and that it really hard.  Everyone who watched thos show sees some little back of the shot detail.  Sometimes were supposed to notice it, as a clue or easter egg...and sometimes... well its just a prop mistake, or something to do with the set/location.    I myslef expect a little of that.  The show still entertains me and I expect it will even if things aren't wrapped up or brought back around like some people seems to expect (or almost demand).
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Geronimo Jackson on June 05, 2006, 01:58:28 PM
Absolutely agree, it could be a continuity error and I'll hold my hands up if it is.

But what struck me was that they focussed for a good few seconds on the area where the boat was (in the finale) too. The sea was a bit choppy but that was the only difference. There have been other occasions when they have seemingly focussed on a shot for a few extra seconds because it is significant.

If you get the chance, watch the episode and let me know what you think...
I will if my husband didn't tape over it
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Geronimo Jackson on June 05, 2006, 02:00:00 PM
love the show and think the writers and producers are brillant, but you are right we give them to much credit. Sometimes they are rushing to get the shows done and they are suppose to remember every detail. Mistakes happen.

Yep I agree, the more twists and turns they create the more they have to remember, not only that they have to go back and look for things they weren't intenfing being to transfix on, and that it really hard.  Everyone who watched thos show sees some little back of the shot detail.  Sometimes were supposed to notice it, as a clue or easter egg...and sometimes... well its just a prop mistake, or something to do with the set/location.    I myslef expect a little of that.  The show still entertains me and I expect it will even if things aren't wrapped up or brought back around like some people seems to expect (or almost demand).
Thye have story boards and outlines but yes some of us expect it to be wrapped up when we get to the last show and along the way. Ilke looking for errors.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: jugdish on June 05, 2006, 02:06:15 PM
100 million dollar movies have some of these mistakes and they have to do 24 shows a year. The problem is what is a prop mistake or contiuality mistake and what is a clue. Maybe they were showing that scene because they wanted to show us that the body was gone.?? who knows?? Also just because a body is gone does not mean he is alive. Animals will carry carcuses away to eat them.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Geronimo Jackson on June 05, 2006, 02:08:48 PM
100 million dollar movies have some of these mistakes and they have to do 24 shows a year. The problem is what is a prop mistake or contiuality mistake and what is a clue. Maybe they were showing that scene because they wanted to show us that the body was gone.?? who knows?? Also just because a body is gone does not mean he is alive. Animals will carry carcuses away to eat them.
Or he got upand walked away toanother hatch.  I the orignalStar Wars movie there were over 142 errors in the film. IF want the list I'll have
 to see if my son still has it.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: siouxiesue1919 on June 05, 2006, 02:11:55 PM
100 million dollar movies have some of these mistakes and they have to do 24 shows a year. The problem is what is a prop mistake or contiuality mistake and what is a clue. Maybe they were showing that scene because they wanted to show us that the body was gone.?? who knows?? Also just because a body is gone does not mean he is alive. Animals will carry carcuses away to eat them.

True...but until I see them either bury the body, see an animal eat it, or have it ripped to shreds, I'll have my doubts.  It's the old "slasher movie" rule...
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: jugdish on June 05, 2006, 02:14:03 PM
I agree that it is still an open idea. The frustrating part is we don't know if it is an error or they are telling us something. We just have to wait and see.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Geronimo Jackson on June 05, 2006, 02:20:21 PM
I agree that it is still an open idea. The frustrating part is we don't know if it is an error or they are telling us something. We just have to wait and see.
Agreed maybe we should have pandora merge this topic withthe other two on Kelvin?
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: jugdish on June 05, 2006, 02:22:05 PM
You are going to clean up this place. You have my support!
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Geronimo Jackson on June 05, 2006, 02:23:24 PM
Thanks but you gotta help. :) :) :)
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Bones on June 05, 2006, 02:33:30 PM
Sorry it's been a few hours.  But thanks for all the feedback on that thought.  I do want to stress that I love the show and the writers and producers are brilliant.  All points made were good ones.  They're limited by time, stress, super picky viewers and all of the other things that normal show producers have to worry about.  (actresses getting DD arrests) 

Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: firemanandlostfan on June 05, 2006, 02:46:00 PM
I would hope that Kelvin is still alive.  I think some of his back stories would be intriguing because who else knows who Radzinsky is unless somehow that name surfaces in another person's flashback.  I think the actor who places Kelvin is very good and hope we see more of him.

this is kind of off topic but didnt the scene where Desmond is talking to Claire about the father of the baby and him saying that maybe the dad left because he was doing what was best for the baby was very strange?  I just didnt think that fit at all in the show???  Who says that to a single mother?
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: jugdish on June 05, 2006, 02:47:33 PM
Someone who has bailed on his own kid and the mother?
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Geronimo Jackson on June 05, 2006, 02:48:38 PM
Now thta would be a back story
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Bones on June 05, 2006, 03:13:52 PM
I would hope that Kelvin is still alive.  I think some of his back stories would be intriguing because who else knows who Radzinsky is unless somehow that name surfaces in another person's flashback.  I think the actor who places Kelvin is very good and hope we see more of him.

this is kind of off topic but didnt the scene where Desmond is talking to Claire about the father of the baby and him saying that maybe the dad left because he was doing what was best for the baby was very strange?  I just didnt think that fit at all in the show???  Who says that to a single mother?

I think he said that because he was recalling the fact that he ran away from his girlfriend for the reason of betterment of her life (because of her dad).  Just a guess though.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: LovinLost on June 05, 2006, 04:35:51 PM
100 million dollar movies have some of these mistakes and they have to do 24 shows a year. The problem is what is a prop mistake or contiuality mistake and what is a clue. Maybe they were showing that scene because they wanted to show us that the body was gone.?? who knows?? Also just because a body is gone does not mean he is alive. Animals will carry carcuses away to eat them.

Or this could be evidence/clue for us that Desmond DID later return and bury Kelvins body.  I don't think the producers made an error when Desmond tells the others about he came to be in the Hatch being different from the flashback scene.  I think this was done on purpose and is very realistic in showing how our memories of things actually occurred often changed over a three year period.  I agree with another poster who already pointed out that we are reading too much into this and that it is merely the shortcut way Desmond is recalling it as a means of revealing the nature of the Hatch to the newcomers. 
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: PurpleLostPrincess on June 05, 2006, 04:59:12 PM
Or maybe it's just that Desmond has spent so much time on his own that he is really interested in people now that he can interact with them...? I know if I had spent that much time alone, I would question everybody about everything!  
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: jugdish on June 05, 2006, 05:24:01 PM
I would want a lot of answers to what is going on out there.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: demra on June 06, 2006, 03:31:23 AM
hot off the press from Lost info hotline

Kelvin is still dead  ;D

man i am going to be so slammed if i am wrong on this one
LOL


but seriously  if the tide could come up and take away all that wreackage from the plaine then 1 body getting washed off some rocks near the shore s not to far fetched an idea is it
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: jugdish on June 06, 2006, 12:39:40 PM
At least you are being consistant with your beliefs. Stick to them and you very likely will be telling all of us "I told you so".
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: PurpleLostPrincess on June 06, 2006, 06:13:49 PM
I've noticed we don't get so many of them ("told you so's")... Surely there are some of the posts on here that turn out to be right - do we give a pat on the back when that happens?  
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Geronimo Jackson on June 06, 2006, 08:10:30 PM
I guess we pat each other's back.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: PurpleLostPrincess on June 06, 2006, 08:41:56 PM
Pat, pat for all those I've missed so far - I'll keep a look out for any in the future...
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Geronimo Jackson on June 06, 2006, 09:11:05 PM
I'm so confused now I don't knowif I am suppose to pat myself if he's dead or alive.Would love to have known his back story; why he  joined Dharma
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: jugdish on June 06, 2006, 11:33:54 PM
I am going on record and saying he is dead. This may contradict an early post, I can't remember demra and I are on record . Kelvin is dead.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: demra on June 07, 2006, 03:20:48 AM
I'm so confused now I don't knowif I am suppose to pat myself if he's dead or alive.Would love to have known his back story; why he  joined Dharma
I really hope that we get to see more of Kelvins back story 
maybe TPTB  will show us when they delvee into the Others side of the story
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: jugdish on June 07, 2006, 10:32:07 AM
That would be nice because a deadman can't tell us his backstory.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: demra on June 07, 2006, 11:14:03 AM
It is lost he could be in the zombie season where they have cloned all the time traveling dead people from the underwater hatch

LOL
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: BobBX542 on June 08, 2006, 12:40:10 PM
One day someone is going to combine all of the outlandish theories of lost into one joke, and the internet will fall apart, ANYWAY....

There are a few things that could have happened here.
1) If Kelvin is dead (which I think he is), demra said it best. The ocean could have come up and washed the body away. Seems totally plausable.
2) But, he could have also been at a different part of the rocks that the Tailies walked by, and just didn't see it.
3) Or, when Desmond went to go get the boat, maybe he saw Kelvin's body, and threw it into the ocean. He probably made some cool comment along the lines of,

"It's not a traditional burial at sea, but it'll have to do brutha"

I think that the best evidence to support that he is still dead is something so simple I was shocked that no one else came up with it first...The boat was still there for Desmond to come and get it 41 days later. If I remember correctly, Kelvin said that the boat was either ready to go at that moment, or that it would take a couple more weeks to fix. Regardless, if he were still alive, when he got up from being hit on the head, don't you think he would have taken the boat?? That's what I would have done, but then again, I've never been trapped on a magic island.

Also, on a different note, did anyone else notice that Desmond made the comment that he sailed "due west for 2 and a half weeks" And "...should have been in Fiji by now." Does that put the island at the same location that we all think?? I was just curious about that.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Geronimo Jackson on June 08, 2006, 01:02:20 PM
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I think that the best evidence to support that he is still dead is something so simple I was shocked that no one else came up with it first...The boat was still there for Desmond to come and get it 41 days later. If I remember correctly, Kelvin said that the boat was either ready to go at that moment, or that it would take a couple more weeks to fix. Regardless, if he were still alive, when he got up from being hit on the head, don't you think he would have taken the boat?? That's what I would have done, but then again, I've never been trapped on a magic island.

Excellent BobBX542  excellent.
kelvin is dead.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: jugdish on June 08, 2006, 01:47:57 PM
The boat thing is so obvious I am surprised it wasn't brought up sooner. Excellent job Bob. Especially when you are supporting something I believed. I think you nailed that one shut.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Zeke on June 08, 2006, 04:32:53 PM
But if Kelvin works for the others/dharma (assuming their connected) and his job is to see what Desmond will do if theres a boat ready to go (almost) but he knows he may have the world in his hands. Then he'd want Desmond to see the boat, fake his death, then bugger off to the others for a nice cup of tea and some biscuits :D
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: AmazonMonkey on June 08, 2006, 04:43:53 PM
But if Kelvin works for the others/dharma (assuming their connected) and his job is to see what Desmond will do if theres a boat ready to go (almost) but he knows he may have the world in his hands. Then he'd want Desmond to see the boat, fake his death, then bugger off to the others for a nice cup of tea and some biscuits :D

Ahh more phsycological profiling... man what are they going to do with all the information they collect putting people to the ultimate tests?
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: BobBX542 on June 08, 2006, 04:54:14 PM
Zeke-good theory, problem is, what if Desmond didn't follow him out to the jungle that day, you know?? Or, what if Desmond 'decided' to have a mental breakdown and didn't go back to the button right away, and didn't go for the boat right away either?? Then the world would have imploded (according to the producers). So that plan would have backfired.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: demra on June 09, 2006, 02:03:45 AM
Way to go Bob
( i was just kidding about the regular bob comment  really i was  ;D  )

you nailed this one with an awesome post

case closed
only took 7 pages to see the obvious ( loving the " boat was still there " ) 
hard to argue this one anymore
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: BobBX542 on June 09, 2006, 09:21:43 AM
Demra-thanks alot. It feels good to be appreciated, also, don't worry about the "regular Bob" Comment. Seriously. I am a weird person. I just never thought it would show online. Don't worry, no feelings hurt.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: jugdish on June 09, 2006, 10:46:58 AM
But if Kelvin works for the others/dharma (assuming their connected) and his job is to see what Desmond will do if theres a boat ready to go (almost) but he knows he may have the world in his hands. Then he'd want Desmond to see the boat, fake his death, then bugger off to the others for a nice cup of tea and some biscuits :D

That is a lot of what ifs. And what do they gain from this information. They didn't even look and the books from the pearl. Psychological testing is appearing less and less important. Maybe in early dharma days but not with the crew running the island now.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Zeke on June 09, 2006, 10:49:00 AM
Zeke-good theory, problem is, what if Desmond didn't follow him out to the jungle that day, you know?? Or, what if Desmond 'decided' to have a mental breakdown and didn't go back to the button right away, and didn't go for the boat right away either?? Then the world would have imploded (according to the producers). So that plan would have backfired.
Well, i think kelvin made it very obvious something was up, if the suit has that big a rip, you're gonna notice and then he says "bye" instead of be back in a bit or something like that, and with Desmond already wanting to get out (he asks Kelvin if he can and gets turned down) so i think Kelvin wayed up his bets (if what im saying is right) and came to the conclusion that Desmond would follow him AND if you know theres no danger of infection but want someone to believe there is then you dont take your suit thing off so close to where you can be seen and especially not in clear view. And im still not convinced the world is held together by this button, it may have consiquences on the island but whether the world would end by this not being pushed, well i dont believe it to be honest.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Zeke on June 09, 2006, 10:50:17 AM
But if Kelvin works for the others/dharma (assuming their connected) and his job is to see what Desmond will do if theres a boat ready to go (almost) but he knows he may have the world in his hands. Then he'd want Desmond to see the boat, fake his death, then bugger off to the others for a nice cup of tea and some biscuits :D

That is a lot of what ifs. And what do they gain from this information. They didn't even look and the books from the pearl. Psychological testing is appearing less and less important. Maybe in early dharma days but not with the crew running the island now.

I dont believe what i put earlier but i was just adding another theory to the pile (much like the books on the swan hatch)
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: jugdish on June 09, 2006, 10:56:44 AM
Zeke-good theory, problem is, what if Desmond didn't follow him out to the jungle that day, you know?? Or, what if Desmond 'decided' to have a mental breakdown and didn't go back to the button right away, and didn't go for the boat right away either?? Then the world would have imploded (according to the producers). So that plan would have backfired.
Well, i think kelvin made it very obvious something was up, if the suit has that big a rip, you're gonna notice and then he says "bye" instead of be back in a bit or something like that, and with Desmond already wanting to get out (he asks Kelvin if he can and gets turned down) so i think Kelvin wayed up his bets (if what im saying is right) and came to the conclusion that Desmond would follow him AND if you know theres no danger of infection but want someone to believe there is then you dont take your suit thing off so close to where you can be seen and especially not in clear view. And im still not convinced the world is held together by this button, it may have consiquences on the island but whether the world would end by this not being pushed, well i dont believe it to be honest.

He said goodbye because he was leaving on the boat and said goodbye to his buddy desmond. He needed Desmond to keep pushing the button. When he found out he was being followed he lied that the boat was ready. When desmond got mad he finally said lets both leave and see what happens if the button did not get pushed. Then desmond killed Kelvin!
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Geronimo Jackson on June 09, 2006, 12:24:16 PM
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I dont believe what i put earlier but i was just adding another theory to the pile (much like the books on the swan hatch)
Zeke we all do that. ;D ;D ;D ;D or not :)
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: demra on June 09, 2006, 12:26:32 PM
Page # 7 and Kelvin is still Dead
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Geronimo Jackson on June 09, 2006, 12:31:08 PM
Okay summary Henry pushed the button and Kelvin is dead.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: demra on June 09, 2006, 12:36:57 PM
you are speaking the absoult truth today 
Kepp p the good work Sista
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Geronimo Jackson on June 09, 2006, 12:55:10 PM
and there is an under water hatch.... ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: demra on June 09, 2006, 01:00:03 PM
i am not touching that nicely baited hook GJ

I said it somehwere i think that it might be a hatch that is at sealevel  so they can experiment on sea life more easily
but not Under Water


Damn  can you help me get this hook oout of my lip  it really hurts 
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: BlackrockBob on June 09, 2006, 01:13:46 PM
I know this is a wacky theory, but I still don't think Kelvin is dead.
I don't think he was going to leave on the boat.
Three years to fix a boat?
Where did Kelvin get the materials to fix it?

I think Kelvin knew you couldn't get off the island. He left it there for Desmond to think that he was really dead.
He could have left without Desmond knowing about it, but didn't.
I think Kelvin was ordered to turn the key and couldn't do it.
Once he tricked Desmond into staying in the Hatch, Kelvin left the boat and rejoined his team.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Geronimo Jackson on June 09, 2006, 01:38:39 PM
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Once he tricked Desmond into staying in the Hatch, Kelvin left the boat and rejoined his team.
he knew what the real map looked like so he certainly knew where to go where to hide.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: BobBX542 on June 09, 2006, 02:36:26 PM
BRB-I actually think it makes more sense that it took him 3 years to fix the boat, basically because of something you said.

"Where did Kelvin get the materials to fix it?"

If you were stranded on a desert Island, how long do you think it would take you to find neccesary items to repair a hole in a boat??
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: scrod on June 09, 2006, 02:39:58 PM
BRB-I actually think it makes more sense that it took him 3 years to fix the boat, basically because of something you said.

"Where did Kelvin get the materials to fix it?"

If you were stranded on a desert Island, how long do you think it would take you to find neccesary items to repair a hole in a boat??
We never actually saw any holes in the boat, nor a broken mast, torn sail, etc.  We saw Desmond get konked out on one of those rope-holder thingeys (arrrgggh, I KNOW the frickin name of it, too) and next thing he is getting carried by several blurry guys (or one realy, really blurry guy) into the hatch.

Besides your could probably make a natural fiber resin out of coconut hides and bat guano (ok, maybe I did watch too much Gilligan).
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: demra on June 10, 2006, 11:59:54 AM
Page 8  and


let me check  to make sure

yup 



Kelvin is still Dead
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: scrod on June 10, 2006, 02:01:18 PM
Is Kelvin actually that important to the story arc?
1) If he is dead...
- we never find out about Radzinsky.  Big Deal.  Plenty of other sources of information for flashbacks on the history of Dharma, etc.
- No one else can verify Desmond's version of some events.  These folks never check facts or talk to each other anyhow.
- He never gets to bump into Sayid so they can both look up and yell "YOU!"  That would be cool.
2) If He is alive...
- He may have knowledge about the location of the other hatches.  Again, big deal.  They provide more questions than answers anyway.  Judging from the content of the map, he knew nothing about what was inside of them.
- He could give some insight on why Dharma hired him.  Could be interesting and give us a look at a manager with hiring influence in the organization.  May also reveal some training information, along with who trained him.  Maybe why sections of the orientation are missing (although I would guess the changes pre-date his involvment.)  Again, not a great deal of information, at best another easter egg type thing.
- He could tell us about Radzinski and the crew they replaced.

What I am saying is that whether Desmond killed him or not is probably not that important.  Desmond would not know, because it was obviously too far to travel and get back in time to push the button.  He certainly knew how to get back to the boat once he found another sucker to go push the button.  Given that the folks inside the Swan considered everyone else hostiles, the others weren't keeping an eye on him to help out.

 I think the strongest probability is that he died of his wounds, one way or another.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: siouxiesue1919 on June 10, 2006, 02:45:58 PM
I don't think it's really IMPORTANT if Kelvin is still alive...but it would be AWESOME because Clancy Brown is such an amazing actor and it would be great if he became a reoccuring character.

As for the "underwater hatch" thing...could that be why Sayid found that cord leading out into the ocean from the beach?
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: demra on June 10, 2006, 05:16:48 PM

As for the "underwater hatch" thing...could that be why Sayid found that cord leading out into the ocean from the beach?

or the cord is leading from the ocean onto the island
there are lots of trans atlantic cables that could have been spliced into to provide ppower for the different haches and so forth
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Geronimo Jackson on June 11, 2006, 01:39:03 AM
Then go vote no on my poll. ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: demra on June 11, 2006, 01:44:25 AM
o k gotta find it first 
I will go look now
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Geronimo Jackson on June 11, 2006, 01:45:25 AM
I think it's in Lost talk spoiler free.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: demra on June 11, 2006, 01:49:11 AM
thanks  checking now
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Geronimo Jackson on June 11, 2006, 01:50:17 AM
Big surprise on which way you will vote. ;D
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: demra on June 11, 2006, 02:00:42 AM
true but even if you know how i will vote i must still cast that vote 
for my vote is my only real power in the world 
LOL
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Geronimo Jackson on June 11, 2006, 02:04:15 AM
One vote coud swing it....... :)
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: demra on June 11, 2006, 02:12:07 AM
ohi will vote more than once  ;)
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: BobBX542 on June 11, 2006, 01:27:06 PM
I think Kelvin's role is actually important. I mean there were a few things he said that I would like cleared up. Like a few of things about radzinsky, and the Dharma group. I know it will probably be tough to tie those in now, but they probably will be importnant.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Geronimo Jackson on June 11, 2006, 02:26:00 PM
Bob I comletely agree but if he is dead, we can only hope Desmond knew more about him then he let on.I really want to know Kelvin's back story
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: PurpleLostPrincess on June 11, 2006, 03:13:23 PM
Maybe when we get into season 3 (as our losties are going with the 'others'); we will get to know one of them and see their flashbacks. Maybe, they will show more about our Kelvin in those flashbacks which will answer the questions...?
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: jugdish on June 12, 2006, 02:14:49 AM
Kelvin is dead, but on lost no one is dead because we have flashbacks.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Cardacct on June 12, 2006, 02:30:41 AM
Page 9 and yep... Kelvin is NOT necessarily dead.  I think that the producers left it open for a reason.  I think that Kelvin's character and flashback are important to the overall story.  If there were a poll, I would vote: NOT DEAD.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: demra on June 12, 2006, 10:29:18 AM
Page 9 and yep... Kelvin is NOT necessarily dead.  I think that the producers left it open for a reason.  I think that Kelvin's character and flashback are important to the overall story.  If there were a poll, I would vote: NOT DEAD.


Say it ain't so Cardie
i was counting on your support in this thread

boo hooo booo hooo
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Zeke on June 12, 2006, 01:58:44 PM
I think people may have mis-interpreted this thread (or at least interpreted it differently to me). The title of it is Kelvin MAY still be alive, which is true he may be alive but he could also be very dead, we just dont know.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Cardacct on June 12, 2006, 02:58:26 PM
I agree, Zeke.  It's fine with me if he's dead, but I just think that he's got to fit into the story a little bit more.  Otherwise, I'm not really sure why they would have shown us that whole bit with him in it.  So, perhaps he is dead (I just picked 'no' because I thought people were landing on 'yes'), but his story is not complete, in my opinion.

Sorry, demra.  Bytheway, I liked the Cardie nickname.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Geronimo Jackson on June 12, 2006, 03:00:55 PM
Maybe when we get into season 3 (as our losties are going with the 'others'); we will get to know one of them and see their flashbacks. Maybe, they will show more about our Kelvin in those flashbacks which will answer the questions...?
he's dead but I want his back story.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: lostfromthestart on June 12, 2006, 05:11:22 PM
Kelvin appears dead, but appearances are always deceiving here on Shangalost Island.

Therefore, he is probably alive.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: jugdish on June 12, 2006, 11:54:06 PM
Dead DEad DEAD We will get his backstory in flashbacks.

My new thing is making a decision and sticking to it. And I can either say I told you so or be told the same. I can't wait for season 3.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: demra on June 13, 2006, 10:43:09 AM
page 10  and still dead 

good point Zeke  he May be alove  but i am with Jug
I gotta stick to my guns with he's Dead 
I willtake my lumps on this when the time comes just like the underwater hatch
IF i am wrong
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: jugdish on June 13, 2006, 01:38:58 PM
You mean gloat when you are right!
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Cardacct on June 13, 2006, 06:04:38 PM
...and I will be right there gloating when I am right.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: BobBX542 on June 13, 2006, 06:42:07 PM
I'm just going to ask this again on;y because I was hoping that people may have missed it, or might be able to direct me to another thread

According to what Desmond said "...sailed due east for 2 1/2 weeks, I should be in Fiji by now." Is the island where we think it is??
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: scrod on June 13, 2006, 08:42:29 PM
Fiji is about 3,000 miles due East of Australia.  I haven't the foggiest idea how fast a boat can go.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: AmazonMonkey on June 13, 2006, 09:51:56 PM
Fiji is about 3,000 miles due East of Australia.  I haven't the foggiest idea how fast a boat can go.

I am having a hard time beleiving the reference to Fiji is supposed to give us an idea where they are... I think it is just a marker that is far enough away from the island that he used it to say he was no where near it STILL after sailing for two weeks.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: demra on June 14, 2006, 01:49:01 AM
You mean gloat when you are right!

No i wont gloat If i am right
 
ok well not much anyway

in all honsety this thread could go either way

and no i am not hedging my bets  i will ( like i said before ) take my lumps on this one if kelvin shows up
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Zeke on June 14, 2006, 02:10:57 PM
remember we all thought jacks dad was dead but hes popped up again so i wouldnt completely write off another livin appearance from Kelvin.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: scrod on June 14, 2006, 02:13:59 PM
Just checkin' in on the thread, been a bit. .

He's still dead, right?

Maybe I will check back around mid-October...
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: goober on June 14, 2006, 05:16:52 PM
Kelvin is NOT dead.

CART MASTER:
Bring out your dead!
[clang]
Bring out your dead!
[clang]
Bring out your dead!
[clang]
Bring out your dead! Ninepence.
[clang]

CUSTOMER:
Here's one.
CART MASTER:
Ninepence.
DEAD PERSON:
I'm not dead!
CART MASTER:
What?
CUSTOMER:
Nothing. Here's your ninepence.
DEAD PERSON:
I'm not dead!
CART MASTER:
'Ere. He says he's not dead!
CUSTOMER:
Yes, he is.
DEAD PERSON:
I'm not!
CART MASTER:
He isn't?
CUSTOMER:
Well, he will be soon. He's very ill.
DEAD PERSON:
I'm getting better!
CUSTOMER:
No, you're not. You'll be stone dead in a moment.
CART MASTER:
Oh, I can't take him like that. It's against regulations.
DEAD PERSON:
I don't want to go on the cart!
CUSTOMER:
Oh, don't be such a baby.
CART MASTER:
I can't take him.
DEAD PERSON:
I feel fine!
CUSTOMER:
Well, do us a favour.
CART MASTER:
I can't.
CUSTOMER:
Well, can you hang around a couple of minutes? He won't be long.
CART MASTER:
No, I've got to go to the Robinsons'. They've lost nine today.
CUSTOMER:
Well, when's your next round?
CART MASTER:
Thursday.
DEAD PERSON:
I think I'll go for a walk.

Seeeeee! He - is - not -dead!  :D
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Cardacct on June 19, 2006, 02:12:54 AM
Monty Python?  Nice, goober.

I agree.  Not dead.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: demra on June 19, 2006, 02:17:18 AM
hmmmm  lets see

page 10

yup  Kelvin is still dead 


Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Zeke on June 19, 2006, 10:30:34 AM
In police terms Kelvin is still presumed dead as it has not been 2 years since hes been seen so really its


Page 10
Kelvin still presumed dead  ;D
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: demra on June 19, 2006, 10:32:05 AM
I stand corrected


wait


 nope  he's dead
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: PurpleLostPrincess on June 19, 2006, 11:53:24 AM
Wait a minute, I think I saw...

Nope, he's dead!

(actually I think he's alive somewhere but I couldn't resist posting that!)
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Zeke on June 19, 2006, 12:20:02 PM
He has not been positively ID'd by a member of his family or close friend and therefore has not been declared dead.

He may still live ;D
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: goober on June 19, 2006, 03:44:41 PM
Page 11 and Kelvin is still...............................................................................................................
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ALIVE and smokin' Dharma Initiative Stogies, downin' Dharma Initiative bourbon, and puttin' on a Dharma Initiative Shirt, and .......... oh you get it! :o
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: demra on June 20, 2006, 01:23:26 AM
Oh  I know he is hanging out in the underwater hatch with jacks dad getting hammered and tricking people into thinking they are dead


nah just to silly for me


LOL
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Cardacct on June 20, 2006, 02:08:36 AM
Or maybe when they go forward in time, we will see that Kelvin is not alive, but his clone is.  And his clone is in the underwater hatch, which is called the "Purgatory Station" (may God forgive me for killing a kitten).
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: demra on June 20, 2006, 02:20:43 AM
now you are talking Cardi


come over to the dark side  my dear little one
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Geronimo Jackson on June 20, 2006, 03:50:43 PM
Just checking yep kelvin still dead ;D ;D
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Cardacct on June 20, 2006, 06:07:56 PM
Just checking yep kelvin still dead ;D ;D

I beg to differ.  I felt a pulse!
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Cardacct on June 20, 2006, 06:09:04 PM
now you are talking Cardi


come over to the dark side  my dear little one


And so you are admitting that your side is dark?
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: misspensinger on June 20, 2006, 06:35:28 PM
Guess what???

Kelvin's DEAD!!! ;D
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: goober on June 20, 2006, 07:31:56 PM
Guess what???

Kelvin's DEAD!!! ;D

Dead stoned baby! Dharma Initiative Acupulco Gold is teh BOMB! Kelvin's tokin' it up with the Tailies and regailing them with war stories. Damn if the babes don't love a stoned man in uniform! Pop that coochie!!!  ;)

Peace out!  :P
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Cardacct on June 21, 2006, 09:09:20 PM
Dead stoned baby! Dharma Initiative Acupulco Gold is teh BOMB! Kelvin's tokin' it up with the Tailies and regailing them with war stories. Damn if the babes don't love a stoned man in uniform! Pop that coochie!!!  ;)

Peace out!  :P

Goober, that comment reminds me of the movie CLUE where they say that the guy is dead drunk.

Kelvin is alive.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: relient k on June 22, 2006, 06:50:45 PM
 he probably isnt dead. i mean not everyone hits their head on something and dies.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: siouxiesue1919 on June 23, 2006, 01:38:18 AM
he probably isnt dead. i mean not everyone hits their head on something and dies.

Yeah.  That and he barely puts up any sort of fight.  For a government-trained agent, I guess I just expected more.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: demra on June 23, 2006, 02:04:25 AM
now you are talking Cardi


come over to the dark side  my dear little one


And so you are admitting that your side is dark?


i will leave that one for you to decide


muuuhhhaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Cardacct on June 23, 2006, 02:15:23 AM
now you are talking Cardi


come over to the dark side  my dear little one


And so you are admitting that your side is dark?


i will leave that one for you to decide


muuuhhhaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

*shiver*
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: demra on June 23, 2006, 03:00:14 AM
feel the force  Cardi
let it flow over you


 ;)
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: siouxiesue1919 on June 23, 2006, 03:17:45 PM
I think they all live off of the island somewhere.  "Not Henry" told Michael that if he went off in that boat, he would find rescue, and we already know that that boat is not meant for open waters...so there has to be land relatively close....that is, unless "Not Henry" is lying....
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: demra on June 24, 2006, 01:10:33 AM
It is a good bet that fenry is lying
but i agree that the main group or rather the controling group lives on a different island
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Geronimo Jackson on June 24, 2006, 08:49:05 PM
It is a good bet that fenry is lying
but i agree that the main group or rather the controling group lives on a different island
Kelvin still dead and they live in under water hatch.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: goober on June 24, 2006, 10:48:27 PM
Kelvin's alive and hangin' with Chappelle....

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v113/daytonford/tyrone.jpg)
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Geronimo Jackson on June 24, 2006, 10:51:30 PM
Chapellle gave up all that money so he could do stand up for the others,Dharma and Widmore in the under water hatch hey?
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Cardacct on June 27, 2006, 01:35:02 AM
Where did all of those pictures go, Goober?  I missed it.




P.S.  Page 12 and still alive...
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: demra on June 27, 2006, 01:36:15 AM
page 12  still dead 
LOL



:) ;) ::)
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: goober on June 27, 2006, 09:28:45 AM
Doh! I lost some of my photobucket pics.

Damn.  :o
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: jugdish on June 27, 2006, 12:46:55 PM
dead dead dead
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Cardacct on June 27, 2006, 02:55:35 PM
alive alive alive alive
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Ladybug on June 27, 2006, 03:19:31 PM
DEAD DEAD DEAD DEAD DEAD DEAD DEAD DEAD
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: MaxsDad on June 27, 2006, 03:27:50 PM
HES TOAST! ;D
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Cardacct on June 28, 2006, 12:48:41 AM
If you anagram the name Kelvin,  you can get:

K - liven .... meaning that Kelvin is living.   ;D
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: demra on June 28, 2006, 01:55:03 AM
LOL



very funny stuff
but   




STILL Dead
 
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Cardacct on June 28, 2006, 02:05:35 AM
Page 13.  Still alive.

I object to your usage of "still dead" because even if he were dead (which he isn't), it's not like he'd be coming back to life or anything.  This is primetime, not daytime tv.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: demra on June 28, 2006, 02:12:20 AM
ohhh

i do apologise

he's dead


is that better

LOL


were you serious about not being able to put a pic in a PM ?
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: misspensinger on June 28, 2006, 02:16:35 AM
Yeah, I agree.

He's dead!
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Cardacct on June 28, 2006, 02:17:47 AM
I always thought that this thread should be a poll.

NOT dead.  ALIVE.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: misspensinger on June 28, 2006, 02:25:41 AM
DEAD >:(


hehehe...LOL
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: demra on June 28, 2006, 03:53:32 AM
now do you see why i like her so much


LOL

oh ya
Dead 
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: MaxsDad on June 28, 2006, 11:32:40 AM
KELVIN IS DEADER THAN A ROAD KILL!
HES WORM FOOD!
 HES GONE TO THAT GREAT ISLAND IN THE SKY!
HES TOAST! HE BOUGHT THE FARM!
HES PUSHING UP DAISYS!
FLATLINE! HES DEAD AND HE SMELLS THAT WAY!
 GONE TO THE HAPPY HUNTING GROUND!
 IN OTHER WORDS, I THINK HES DEAD!
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: misspensinger on June 28, 2006, 02:29:42 PM
AMEN!!! ;D
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: MaxsDad on June 28, 2006, 02:54:20 PM
Did I mention I think Kelvin is deader than Paris Hilton's acting career?
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Cardacct on June 28, 2006, 05:29:53 PM
Did I mention I think Kelvin is deader than Paris Hilton's acting career?

OH NO!!!  Kelvin is NOT dead, so does that mean Paris will still be around?
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: goober on June 28, 2006, 05:37:45 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v113/daytonford/p-stayalve2.jpg)
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: HurleysGirl on June 28, 2006, 09:46:40 PM
In a coma - 1/2 dead, 1/2 alive................
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Sweet Old Lady on June 28, 2006, 11:21:47 PM
Please define "dead"

 ;)
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Cardacct on June 29, 2006, 12:35:31 AM
Please define "dead"

 ;)

Dead:
1 : deprived of life : having died
2 a (1) : having the appearance of death : DEATHLY <in a dead faint> (2) : lacking power to move, feel, or respond : NUMB b : very tired c (1) : incapable of being stirred emotionally or intellectually
 ;)

To use it in a sentence: Kelvin is NOT dead.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: jugdish on June 29, 2006, 01:27:12 AM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v113/daytonford/p-stayalve2.jpg)

Kelvin is as dead as staying alive 2. What an awful movie. It might of killed kelvin
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Sweet Old Lady on June 29, 2006, 02:07:44 AM
Please define "dead"

 ;)

Dead:
1 : deprived of life : having died
2 a (1) : having the appearance of death : DEATHLY <in a dead faint> (2) : lacking power to move, feel, or respond : NUMB b : very tired c (1) : incapable of being stirred emotionally or intellectually
 ;)

To use it in a sentence: Kelvin is NOT dead.
Very funny, Cardacct.  You have a lively sense of humor. 

But here's what i'm driving at:  Man's definition of death has undergone some changes over time.  At one point people thought that when the heart stopped and breathing stopped a person was "dead".  But then along came CPR.  People in that state can be revived.  If the heart stops it can be started again with a defibrillator.  The heart can be kept beating indefinitely with machines.  So now death is defined as "brain death" when the brain flatlines (on an EEG?).  So we know more now, but what don't we know yet?  What about cryogenics?  Or what happens to the soul?  Is there a window of time after "brain death" during which period a person can be brought back?   Hanso was experimenting with life extension.  Maybe they know how to bring somebody back after a long period.  And after reading the whisper transcripts I've changed my mind about the whisperers.  I think they might be ghosts who either can't move on because of the "snowglobe" effect of the island, or they are waiting to come back....  I think Kelven is semi-dead.  For now.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: jugdish on June 29, 2006, 02:13:44 AM
Good post but he is dead in every definition of the word. No heartbeat, no brain waves, no  nothing.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: misspensinger on June 29, 2006, 02:54:37 AM
Dead
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Cardacct on June 29, 2006, 02:59:33 AM
I agree.  Sweet Old Lady's post is a refreshing post with some thought.

No cloning, and yes, alive.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Sweet Old Lady on June 29, 2006, 03:51:01 AM
I agree.  Sweet Old Lady's post is a refreshing post with some thought.

No cloning, and yes, alive.

I just love this message board.  I wish I had discovered message boards sooner!  You guys are so much fun.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Desmond8MyPopRocks on June 29, 2006, 06:03:06 AM
Good post but he is dead in every definition of the word. No heartbeat, no brain waves, no  nothing.
Jug:
not sure after rewatching The First 48, in which we see the Tailies and our Rafties at the same location Desmond supposedly killed Kelvin and left him out there... there was no body.  Was he dragged off by TheOthers perhaps?

cheers
*Des8
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: goober on June 29, 2006, 02:56:37 PM
IT'S ALIVE  :o

http://video.yahoo.com/video/play?ei=UTF-8&p=stayin%27+alive&b=8&oid=972c1edac517252e&rurl=abum.com&vdone=http%3A%2F%2Fvideo.yahoo.com%2Fvideo%2Fsearch%3Fei%3DUTF-8%26p%3Dstayin%2527%2Balive&vback=Results
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: siouxiesue1919 on June 29, 2006, 03:12:07 PM
I always thought that this thread should be a poll.

NOT dead.  ALIVE.

It certainly should have been a poll now, considering everyone just keeps going back and forth saying "dead" or "alive" instead of giving any reasoning behind it.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: MaxsDad on June 29, 2006, 04:35:15 PM
 :) Ok heres some reasoning;

If Kelvin is alive, where did he go? He didnt take the boat and he didnt return to the hatch. So far we havent seen him with the others.

Someone like Kelvin would make his presence known.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Cardacct on June 29, 2006, 05:03:27 PM

It certainly should have been a poll now, considering everyone just keeps going back and forth saying "dead" or "alive" instead of giving any reasoning behind it.

Is it possible for you to modify your first post and add a poll to it?
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: goober on June 29, 2006, 07:13:15 PM
:) Ok heres some reasoning;

If Kelvin is alive, where did he go? He didnt take the boat and he didnt return to the hatch. So far we havent seen him with the others.

Someone like Kelvin would make his presence known.

The others found him and took him back via Pala Ferry to their humble abode (much as they did with the injured tailies and children). They fixeded the bumpy on his head and now he runs things from there. KELVIN IS HIM!!!!!  :o
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: misspensinger on June 30, 2006, 12:37:49 AM
NICE!!
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: demra on June 30, 2006, 01:43:44 AM
not to discount SWO or any other theories
but if the surf cold come up and take an entire plane from the beach  and desmonds boat was still there for him to sail away in  that the evidence is in favor of the conclusion that

Kelvin is

Dead

(http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j151/nogard2/bootyshake.gif)
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Geronimo Jackson on June 30, 2006, 04:15:19 AM
dead but want his back story
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: misspensinger on June 30, 2006, 04:20:26 AM
here, here!
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Desmond8MyPopRocks on June 30, 2006, 04:27:22 AM
:) Ok heres some reasoning;

If Kelvin is alive, where did he go? He didnt take the boat and he didnt return to the hatch. So far we havent seen him with the others.

Someone like Kelvin would make his presence known.
MaxsDad:

You never know, but remember he was a govt spook, so hiding out isn't exactly out of his superfluous abilities... He makes a point of telling Des he was a spook.  WE know that but Des didn't.  Maybe he bounced if/when he woke up.  He'd been rooting around the Island for years so it's probable he's found other hatches to add to Radzinski's Lockedown Map.  It's not that far of a stretch to believe he may have bounced to another hatch.

I have no idea, but it's a possibility :)

cheers
*Des8
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Geronimo Jackson on June 30, 2006, 04:32:44 AM
:) Ok heres some reasoning;

If Kelvin is alive, where did he go? He didnt take the boat and he didnt return to the hatch. So far we havent seen him with the others.

Someone like Kelvin would make his presence known.
MaxsDad:

You never know, but remember he was a govt spook, so hiding out isn't exactly out of his superfluous abilities... He makes a point of telling Des he was a spook.  WE know that but Des didn't.  Maybe he bounced if/when he woke up.  He'd been rooting around the Island for years so it's probable he's found other hatches to add to Radzinski's Lockedown Map.  It's not that far of a stretch to believe he may have bounced to another hatch.

I have no idea, but it's a possibility :)

cheers
*Des8
He does know the hatches and underground passages and which ones are deserted now if we knew if he smoked?????????????????
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: MaxsDad on June 30, 2006, 11:12:16 AM
:) Ok heres some reasoning;

If Kelvin is alive, where did he go? He didnt take the boat and he didnt return to the hatch. So far we havent seen him with the others.

Someone like Kelvin would make his presence known.
MaxsDad:

You never know, but remember he was a govt spook, so hiding out isn't exactly out of his superfluous abilities... He makes a point of telling Des he was a spook.  WE know that but Des didn't.  Maybe he bounced if/when he woke up.  He'd been rooting around the Island for years so it's probable he's found other hatches to add to Radzinski's Lockedown Map.  It's not that far of a stretch to believe he may have bounced to another hatch.

I have no idea, but it's a possibility :)

cheers
*Des8


Interesting theory only time will tell......I still think hes dead though.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: siouxiesue1919 on June 30, 2006, 03:43:30 PM

It certainly should have been a poll now, considering everyone just keeps going back and forth saying "dead" or "alive" instead of giving any reasoning behind it.

Is it possible for you to modify your first post and add a poll to it?

If there is, I don't know how to. :)  If anyone knows how to, I'll add it.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: LostGirlDeb on June 30, 2006, 08:33:00 PM
not to discount SWO or any other theories
but if the surf cold come up and take an entire plane from the beach  and desmonds boat was still there for him to sail away in  that the evidence is in favor of the conclusion that

Kelvin is

Dead

(http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j151/nogard2/bootyshake.gif)

Cute little butt Demra
I agree that we need his backstory
And who knows he could be alive
It wouldn't be the weirdest thign we have seen so far
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: demra on July 01, 2006, 04:28:23 AM
why thank you for noticing Deb

I have been working ot a lot

LOL
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: misspensinger on July 01, 2006, 04:31:39 AM
  ;D Deb likes your butt!! ;D
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: demra on July 01, 2006, 04:48:11 AM
you said Butt


LOL

snort
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: misspensinger on July 01, 2006, 04:50:47 AM
giggle! ;D
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: LostGirlDeb on July 01, 2006, 03:52:44 PM
Yup that wa sure a cute one
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: goober on July 01, 2006, 04:52:34 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v113/daytonford/Courtney20Butt20220small.jpg)
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: goober on July 01, 2006, 04:53:28 PM
OH!

And Kelvin is still alive and running things on page 15  ;D
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: goober on July 01, 2006, 04:56:29 PM
And now back to our regularly scheduled program.....

Tonto, not knowing that the Lone Ranger had disguised himself as a pool table, racks his balls.

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Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: demra on July 02, 2006, 04:00:17 AM
ba dom bumph
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: demra on July 02, 2006, 04:02:00 AM
( holding fans back )

thank you everyone  thank you

Goober will be here all summer

hey   hey   stop throwing stuff at the stage

hmmm
a purple thong 

Goob did you loose this

LOL
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: goober on July 02, 2006, 09:55:39 AM
Purple thong?

Must belong to the purple lady.

All my thongs R pink  ;D
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Desmond8MyPopRocks on July 05, 2006, 03:48:08 AM
I agree .I think he is still alive.It didn't seem likethat hard of a blow on the head.Kelvin is trained in special Ops with the CIA, he knows how to survive. He also knows what is on the map blast doors and knows what hatches to go to and hide.I also feel we need a back story on him from how he went from CIA to working for Dharma,so just on that perhaps he is still alive.
GJ same here... I think we need a Kelvin backstory to tell us how he got from being a spook to pushing that stupid button.  I still think it was his smoke that was smoldering in the Pearl Station.  No, we didn't see any smokes around in the hatch, but then again, we didn't see any booze, either--yet he had Des's boat chock full of bottles.

Hmmmmm.

cheers doll
*Des8
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Desmond8MyPopRocks on July 05, 2006, 03:48:27 AM
I agree .I think he is still alive.It didn't seem likethat hard of a blow on the head.Kelvin is trained in special Ops with the CIA, he knows how to survive. He also knows what is on the map blast doors and knows what hatches to go to and hide.I also feel we need a back story on him from how he went from CIA to working for Dharma,so just on that perhaps he is still alive.
GJ same here... I think we need a Kelvin backstory to tell us how he got from being a spook to pushing that stupid button.  I still think it was his smoke that was smoldering in the Pearl Station.  No, we didn't see any smokes around in the hatch, but then again, we didn't see any booze, either--yet he had Des's boat chock full of bottles.

Hmmmmm.

cheers doll
*Des8
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Geronimo Jackson on July 05, 2006, 12:49:32 PM
I agree .I think he is still alive.It didn't seem likethat hard of a blow on the head.Kelvin is trained in special Ops with the CIA, he knows how to survive. He also knows what is on the map blast doors and knows what hatches to go to and hide.I also feel we need a back story on him from how he went from CIA to working for Dharma,so just on that perhaps he is still alive.
GJ same here... I think we need a Kelvin backstory to tell us how he got from being a spook to pushing that stupid button.  I still think it was his smoke that was smoldering in the Pearl Station.  No, we didn't see any smokes around in the hatch, but then again, we didn't see any booze, either--yet he had Des's boat chock full of bottles.

Hmmmmm.

cheers doll
*Des8
I used to think he was dead but have changed my position on that as I want his back story.Yeah Dharma does keep their people well supplied in booze.
If the cigarette thing happened right after Kelvin was killed then I would say it was him.I think Henry went there first after Michael let him escape.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: siouxiesue1919 on July 05, 2006, 05:02:32 PM
I agree .I think he is still alive.It didn't seem likethat hard of a blow on the head.Kelvin is trained in special Ops with the CIA, he knows how to survive. He also knows what is on the map blast doors and knows what hatches to go to and hide.I also feel we need a back story on him from how he went from CIA to working for Dharma,so just on that perhaps he is still alive.
GJ same here... I think we need a Kelvin backstory to tell us how he got from being a spook to pushing that stupid button.  I still think it was his smoke that was smoldering in the Pearl Station.  No, we didn't see any smokes around in the hatch, but then again, we didn't see any booze, either--yet he had Des's boat chock full of bottles.



Hmmmmm.

cheers doll
*Des8
I used to think he was dead but have changed my position on that as I want his back story.Yeah Dharma does keep their people well supplied in booze.
If the cigarette thing happened right after Kelvin was killed then I would say it was him.I think Henry went there first after Michael let him escape.

I don't think those were cigarrettes in the Pearl.  I thought so at first, but then I looked at the investigations page and they do a closeup....it looks like something else...something much more...else.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Cardacct on July 05, 2006, 08:43:35 PM
I used to think he was dead but have changed my position on that as I want his back story.

 :'(  :D Tears of joy
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: MaxsDad on July 06, 2006, 09:04:47 AM
NEWS FLASH!



KELVIN IS STILL DEAD! DETAILS AT 11! ;)
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Geronimo Jackson on July 06, 2006, 01:46:07 PM
 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: LostGirlDeb on July 06, 2006, 01:49:12 PM
I agree .I think he is still alive.It didn't seem likethat hard of a blow on the head.Kelvin is trained in special Ops with the CIA, he knows how to survive. He also knows what is on the map blast doors and knows what hatches to go to and hide.I also feel we need a back story on him from how he went from CIA to working for Dharma,so just on that perhaps he is still alive.
GJ same here... I think we need a Kelvin backstory to tell us how he got from being a spook to pushing that stupid button.  I still think it was his smoke that was smoldering in the Pearl Station.  No, we didn't see any smokes around in the hatch, but then again, we didn't see any booze, either--yet he had Des's boat chock full of bottles.


Hmmmmm.

cheers doll
*Des8

Hey good point Des8-we are always going by what we see and there is so much to be told about what we don't or have not seen
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: LostGirlDeb on July 06, 2006, 01:49:22 PM
I agree .I think he is still alive.It didn't seem likethat hard of a blow on the head.Kelvin is trained in special Ops with the CIA, he knows how to survive. He also knows what is on the map blast doors and knows what hatches to go to and hide.I also feel we need a back story on him from how he went from CIA to working for Dharma,so just on that perhaps he is still alive.
GJ same here... I think we need a Kelvin backstory to tell us how he got from being a spook to pushing that stupid button.  I still think it was his smoke that was smoldering in the Pearl Station.  No, we didn't see any smokes around in the hatch, but then again, we didn't see any booze, either--yet he had Des's boat chock full of bottles.


Hmmmmm.

cheers doll
*Des8

Hey good point Des8-we are always going by what we see and there is so much to be told about what we don't or have not seen
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Geronimo Jackson on July 06, 2006, 01:50:16 PM
similar post thread i had him dead but des convinvced me
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: misspensinger on July 06, 2006, 01:51:48 PM
NEWS FLASH!



KELVIN IS STILL DEAD! DETAILS AT 11! ;)
Need I say more?
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: LostGirlDeb on July 06, 2006, 02:02:06 PM
NEWS FLASH!



KELVIN IS STILL DEAD! DETAILS AT 11! ;)
Need I say more?

LOL  ;D :D ;D
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Geronimo Jackson on July 06, 2006, 02:54:20 PM
NEWS FLASH!



KELVIN IS STILL DEAD! DETAILS AT 11! ;)
Need I say more?

LOL  ;D :D ;D
There's another thread on Kelvin that has him very much alive.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: goober on July 06, 2006, 02:55:45 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v113/daytonford/danziger.jpg)
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: misspensinger on July 06, 2006, 03:08:46 PM
That pic kinda scares me!
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: goober on July 06, 2006, 07:15:09 PM
That's Kelvin at the Dharma ranch on Pala Island.  :o
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Geronimo Jackson on July 06, 2006, 07:45:27 PM
That's Kelvin at the Dharma ranch on Pala Island.  :o
Visiting inthe under water hatch.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: misspensinger on July 06, 2006, 09:02:12 PM
funny ;D
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: jugdish on July 06, 2006, 10:29:30 PM
Scary because it is a picture of a dead man!
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Sweet Old Lady on July 07, 2006, 02:17:50 AM
Even scarier is that I was looking for clues in his shirt.....

 :-\
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: demra on July 07, 2006, 02:29:23 AM
LOL


nice one SOL

but he is dad nun the less


nice post rick
great use of the banner

LOL

Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: misspensinger on July 07, 2006, 02:33:09 AM
Even scarier is that I was looking for clues in his shirt.....

 :-\
That's very funny!!
(http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g74/misspensinger/rotfl.gif)
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Geronimo Jackson on July 07, 2006, 02:02:26 PM
Even scarier is that I was looking for clues in his shirt.....

 :-\
What sort of clues?
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: misspensinger on July 07, 2006, 03:27:30 PM
You guys have got it bad!
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Cardacct on July 07, 2006, 05:20:38 PM
Yes, I am loving the comment by SweetOldLady.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Geronimo Jackson on July 07, 2006, 06:39:55 PM
I love her's and DES 8 postings bright new fresh ideas. :) :)
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: PurpleLostPrincess on July 07, 2006, 07:27:51 PM
I read your posts and laughed, then found myself scrolling down the page to inspect the shirt to see if there's anything there - I'm losing it!  
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: LostGirlDeb on July 08, 2006, 09:47:37 PM
That's Kelvin at the Dharma ranch on Pala Island.  :o
Visiting inthe under water hatch.
Yes yes visiting the underwater hatch
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: LostGirlDeb on July 08, 2006, 09:48:11 PM
I read your posts and laughed, then found myself scrolling down the page to inspect the shirt to see if there's anything there - I'm losing it!  

Ha ha purple I did the same thing!!
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: demra on July 09, 2006, 12:41:04 AM
OMG   page 18 and  Kelvin is now starting to smell

can we just bury him please


this is my shovel this is kelvins hole
not throw his dead body into it

LOL
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Sweet Old Lady on July 09, 2006, 03:23:29 AM
I read your posts and laughed, then found myself scrolling down the page to inspect the shirt to see if there's anything there - I'm losing it!  

I've already lost it!  At least I know I'm not alone.....
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: demra on July 09, 2006, 11:32:50 AM
you are never truely alone when you are here SOL


we have all LOST it because of this show
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: LostGirlDeb on July 09, 2006, 02:13:17 PM
you are never truely alone when you are here SOL


we have all LOST it because of this show
AGREE AGREE AGREE
We are LOST for sure
but who cares right? we have each other
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: goober on July 09, 2006, 06:33:51 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v113/daytonford/clancy.jpg)
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: jugdish on July 09, 2006, 10:33:48 PM
I have already paid for the burial . Lets get it done.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: LostGirlDeb on July 09, 2006, 10:36:37 PM
Hey there you are
i just PM'd you coz I saw you here but didn't see you anywhere (ok that doesn't make sense)

OK Jug has paid for it lets DO IT ALREADY
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: goober on July 09, 2006, 10:39:13 PM
Kelvin is my EVIL twin brother.... OOOOOOOOOOOOO  :o

Gary Troupe anyone  ::)
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: jugdish on July 09, 2006, 10:40:24 PM
No clones.
No evil twin brothers
No Kate baby.
No kelvin alive.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: goober on July 09, 2006, 10:43:02 PM
No clones.
No evil twin brothers
No Kate baby.
No kelvin alive.

Ever watch the Mclaughlin group on PBS....


WRONG!


The answers are:

No Clones
Yes Evil Twins
No Kate Baby
Yes Kelvin's Alive!

Now Jacky Jacky Germondieeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee......
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: jugdish on July 09, 2006, 10:45:34 PM
No I don't, but time will prove me correct.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: goober on July 09, 2006, 10:48:58 PM
We shall see Jugster. Oh yes, We shall see............................................... 8)
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: jugdish on July 10, 2006, 12:28:59 AM
MAybe sometime in Septemeber.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: demra on July 10, 2006, 12:43:01 AM
hey JUg   i have already dug the hole for smelly dead kelvin a few pages back )    lets just push him in it and get it overwith
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: demra on July 10, 2006, 10:42:43 AM
no evil twins 

doesn't anybody read the rules in this place 

geeez
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Geronimo Jackson on July 10, 2006, 02:15:38 PM
no evil twins 

doesn't anybody read the rules in this place 

geeez
No evil twins no cloning no time travel.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: jugdish on July 10, 2006, 10:04:15 PM
dead
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: LostGirlDeb on July 10, 2006, 10:52:56 PM
Dead!!
And september will show
No evil twins
No clones
No time travel
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: misspensinger on July 11, 2006, 03:56:41 PM
Agreed!
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Geronimo Jackson on July 11, 2006, 04:00:36 PM
Dead!!
And september will show
No evil twins
No clones
No time travel

Joining our club ? (the List above) ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: goober on July 11, 2006, 06:53:27 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v113/daytonford/kurgan1.jpg)
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: goober on July 11, 2006, 06:54:16 PM
 Everyone do the Kelvin's alive and kicking dance :o

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v113/daytonford/hung_dancing.gif)
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: jugdish on July 11, 2006, 09:31:59 PM
Goober, not only are you wrong you are freaking me out with that dance. I thought his 15 minutes were over.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Desmond8MyPopRocks on July 12, 2006, 06:17:22 AM
no evil twins 

doesn't anybody read the rules in this place 

geeez
No evil twins no cloning no time travel.
Maybe Kelvin has a twin who is still alive and has the Dharmo logo tattooed behind his hear like the shark, and he's headed for the Underwater Hatch in the Hollow Earth while living in a Snow Globe?


;)

cheers
*Des8
I just don't know anymore....

but.....
KATE'S BABY WAS TAKEN AND SHE'LL DO ANYTHING TO GET IT BACK!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Sweet Old Lady on July 12, 2006, 06:51:42 AM
The cast of this show is pretty big.  Statistically there should be at least one set of identical twins in the mix.  We're really not that rare.
 ;D
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: SanoRiley on July 12, 2006, 09:57:26 AM
The cast of this show is pretty big.  Statistically there should be at least one set of identical twins in the mix.  We're really not that rare.
 ;D

I'm not sure Kelvn is dead.  The Tailies trekked over where Kelvin was left for dead but there was no body to be found.  Given the timeline Desmond gave us, Kelvin's body should've still been there.  He's not dead.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: demra on July 12, 2006, 10:20:40 AM
page  20 ans still dead 


and as for the body it te ocean can remove the wreakage of a plane then i think that it  can handle one body

just my opinion 
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: goober on July 12, 2006, 12:16:49 PM
eh goober, i made ya a picture from PIMP text.com
 lol

 :D :D :D ;)
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: goober on July 12, 2006, 12:17:20 PM
Goober, not only are you wrong you are freaking me out with that dance. I thought his 15 minutes were over.
:o :o :o
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: misspensinger on July 12, 2006, 12:17:57 PM
Kelvins dead...still!
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: goober on July 12, 2006, 12:18:35 PM
The cast of this show is pretty big.  Statistically there should be at least one set of identical twins in the mix.  We're really not that rare.
 ;D

I'm not sure Kelvn is dead.  The Tailies trekked over where Kelvin was left for dead but there was no body to be found.  Given the timeline Desmond gave us, Kelvin's body should've still been there.  He's not dead.

God I love logic!  ;D
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: siouxiesue1919 on July 12, 2006, 04:10:35 PM
Kelvins dead...still!

Man, you guys are going to be so mad if they show him alive next season!
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Geronimo Jackson on July 12, 2006, 04:52:50 PM
Kelvins dead...still!

Man, you guys are going to be so mad if they show him alive next season!
No as even though we think he's dead we would love his back story
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: MaxsDad on July 12, 2006, 04:54:45 PM
That would be interesting, since he was a spook (CIA).
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Geronimo Jackson on July 12, 2006, 04:56:47 PM
That would be interesting, since he was a spook (CIA).
That is why i would like to know it and his connection we saw with sayid but alas he's dead.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: MaxsDad on July 12, 2006, 04:58:58 PM
Well this is Lost after all, granted I think hes dead, but you never know!  ;)
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: misspensinger on July 12, 2006, 04:59:21 PM
So true, but he is dead!
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: goober on July 12, 2006, 05:20:32 PM
So true, but he is dead!

ALIVE!... bright eyes ...  ;D
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Cardacct on July 12, 2006, 09:25:18 PM
Now, I know that I have made my opinion clear, but I feel that all of the really good opinions that have been based on logical reasoning point to Kelvin being alive.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: demra on July 12, 2006, 11:19:18 PM
 nope ......

Dead

1 the boat he was going to take  was still there
2 the tailies didn't cross the island till at least 48 days after the crash and kelvin was dead  before the plane went down or at least the day of the crash
3 there was a shift in the surf  that pulled the wreakage of the plane completely off the beach about 7 -8 days after the crash ( could have easily taken a body out to sea )
4 kelvin never went back to the hatch to find desmond

seems to point to kelvin being dead to me

but as pointed out above  this is lost  so anything is possible 
except kelvin being alive
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: MaxsDad on July 13, 2006, 09:09:02 AM
I THINK KELVIN IS ONE OF THE UNDEAD!  :o
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: SanoRiley on July 13, 2006, 11:25:52 AM
I THINK KELVIN IS ONE OF THE UNDEAD!  :o

He might be.  I think he's probably still alive.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: jugdish on July 14, 2006, 11:40:54 AM

[/quote]

I'm not sure Kelvn is dead.  The Tailies trekked over where Kelvin was left for dead but there was no body to be found.  Given the timeline Desmond gave us, Kelvin's body should've still been there.  He's not dead.
[/quote]


THere are a lot of reasons for his body not to be there. The most likely is wild animals would take and eat a dead body. There are wild boars and bears on the island. It was also next to the ocean so a wave could of washed the body away.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: MaxsDad on July 14, 2006, 11:46:48 AM
(Taking Kelvins Pulse) Nope...still dead!  :)
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: sawsee on July 14, 2006, 02:13:59 PM
Did Kelvin load up the sailboat with Dhama wine or was the wine from Dez's original storage? I'm not sure if this was a little oversight by the writers? Why would Dez bring a load of wine on an important race?
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: MaxsDad on July 14, 2006, 02:24:22 PM
Did Kelvin load up the sailboat with Dhama wine or was the wine from Dez's original storage? I'm not sure if this was a little oversight by the writers? Why would Dez bring a load of wine on an important race?


That is a very good question!  I have no answer.  :)
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: jugdish on July 15, 2006, 12:28:49 AM
If I am going on a long boat trip, I would take plenty of booze along. Heck I have plenty of beer just to post on this site. :)
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: LostGirlDeb on July 15, 2006, 01:02:24 PM
Did we not bury him yet?
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: goober on July 15, 2006, 05:51:50 PM
Yup! BUT he was buried in a Pet Sematary baby!!!!

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v113/daytonford/ClancyBrown.jpg)
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: LostGirlDeb on July 15, 2006, 08:54:34 PM
Yup! BUT he was buried in a Pet Sematary baby!!!!

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v113/daytonford/ClancyBrown.jpg)
LOL
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Geronimo Jackson on July 15, 2006, 10:07:49 PM
Yup! BUT he was buried in a Pet Sematary baby!!!!

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v113/daytonford/ClancyBrown.jpg)
LOL
Love it goober or buried at Shawshank prison.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Desmond8MyPopRocks on July 15, 2006, 11:07:39 PM
Did Kelvin load up the sailboat with Dhama wine or was the wine from Dez's original storage? I'm not sure if this was a little oversight by the writers? Why would Dez bring a load of wine on an important race?

I think Kelvin loaded the boat up with the Dharma booze... remember when he was drunk underneath the hatch with the failsafe key?  He was stocking up the boat to take off--and clearly loaded up a ton of booze for his trip.

cheers
*Des8
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Geronimo Jackson on July 16, 2006, 12:19:58 AM
Did Kelvin load up the sailboat with Dhama wine or was the wine from Dez's original storage? I'm not sure if this was a little oversight by the writers? Why would Dez bring a load of wine on an important race?

I think Kelvin loaded the boat up with the Dharma booze... remember when he was drunk underneath the hatch with the failsafe key?  He was stocking up the boat to take off--and clearly loaded up a ton of booze for his trip.

cheers
*Des8

 we may have a continuity errror as it didn't have dharma logo on it, or it was his own.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: misspensinger on July 16, 2006, 06:16:23 PM
Just in case you didn't know...


KELVIN IS DEAD!
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: misspensinger on July 16, 2006, 06:25:03 PM
OH MAN!!

I loved coming in here and saying he was dead!!

Yeah, I missed it tho..everything gets buried around here.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Geronimo Jackson on July 16, 2006, 10:26:14 PM
I am posting assuming you didn't hear the news..


kelvin is still alive  ;)


Found a "stolen" tape of lost's season 3 6th epi.......he's in the hatch with jack and locke and desmond...smiling


can give you the website if ya need.
the under water hatch of course
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: MaxsDad on July 17, 2006, 09:37:27 AM
Whew! What is that smell, oh its Kelvin. Hes dead!  :P
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: demra on July 17, 2006, 10:15:25 AM
ok  good  he is still dead 

just checking  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Geronimo Jackson on July 17, 2006, 01:30:05 PM
still dead but what a back story he could have told
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: relient k on July 17, 2006, 05:57:27 PM
i think he is dead because after 65 days i think they would have found him already....if he was alive
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: goober on July 17, 2006, 07:32:52 PM
KELVIN IS:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v113/daytonford/alive.jpg)
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: goober on July 17, 2006, 07:37:32 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v113/daytonford/1813529-Travel_Picture-YEAH_baby.jpg)
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: misspensinger on July 17, 2006, 07:38:52 PM
You're so silly goober!
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: goober on July 17, 2006, 07:45:58 PM
You're so silly goober!

Somebody's gotta do it!  ::)

And I am eminently qualified.  ;D ;)
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Geronimo Jackson on July 18, 2006, 03:02:32 AM
can we please bury ole kelvin he's getting a bit ripe
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: goober on July 18, 2006, 09:33:45 AM
canwe please bry ole kelvin he's getting a bit ripe

Nevaaaaaaaaaaaaahhh!  :D
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Geronimo Jackson on July 18, 2006, 12:29:53 PM
okay put at least put him on ice.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: beckhamfan on July 31, 2006, 06:49:25 PM
there is no way kelvin could be alive. we saw desmond kill him did we not?
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: relient k on July 31, 2006, 08:02:03 PM
Well, there is no way we can tell.  :(
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: beckhamfan on July 31, 2006, 09:20:36 PM
exept for the fact that desmond smashed his head on a rock!!
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: goober on August 01, 2006, 09:53:05 AM
exept for the fact that desmond smashed his head on a rock!!

Hmmmm. No blood. No body or bleached bones when the tailies travelled through the SAME beach area. Either it's really bad writing or he's still alive.  :o
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: beckhamfan on August 01, 2006, 10:22:18 AM
really?
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: demra on August 01, 2006, 10:30:44 AM
exept for the fact that desmond smashed his head on a rock!!

Hmmmm. No blood. No body or bleached bones when the tailies travelled through the SAME beach area. Either it's really bad writing or he's still alive.  :o

he is dead 

it rains a lot  ( washes away blood 
and the surf took the wreakage of a jumbo jet   good chance that it could take a body out to sea


page 22 and still dead
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: beckhamfan on August 01, 2006, 10:31:42 AM
oh yeah i am right.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: MaxsDad on August 01, 2006, 11:05:23 AM
And Desmond did mention he buried him.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: beckhamfan on August 01, 2006, 12:14:17 PM
oh yeah i forgot about that.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: goober on August 01, 2006, 02:52:01 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v113/daytonford/JCCBstrangle.jpg)
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: beckhamfan on August 01, 2006, 02:52:36 PM
what the heck was that all about?
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: goober on August 01, 2006, 02:53:26 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v113/daytonford/Kelvin2.jpg)
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: beckhamfan on August 01, 2006, 02:53:56 PM
that one was scary.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: BurkRoyer on August 01, 2006, 03:11:10 PM
And Desmond did mention he buried him.

When did Desmond have time to bury him?  He crashed the plane right after he supposedly killed him and then didn't leave the hatch after that for some reason?!?  If he would have, he would have run into somebody from the plane you'd think?!?  Or that crazy french lady (who name escapes me right now)...

Desmond lied about other things.  He probably lied about burying Kelvin to hid the fact that he thought he kill him. 
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: BurkRoyer on August 01, 2006, 03:12:46 PM
Of course if Kelvin was alive, he had plenty of time to take the boat... maybe he did and ended up right back in the same inlet... so he ventured off and found the others and that's where he is now?!?  No, he's dead and the Polar Bear ate him...
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: beckhamfan on August 01, 2006, 03:47:01 PM
no, desmond killed him. i thought we had all decided that.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: BurkRoyer on August 01, 2006, 04:06:53 PM
He may have killed him, but I still don't see how he had time to bury him and not hear or see the losties.   Once he came back to the hatch, I thought he locked himself in there.  It was Locke's banging on the hatch door that gave him the "hope" he needed to go on...
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: beckhamfan on August 01, 2006, 04:08:08 PM
i still think he buried him. where he found the time, i do not know.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Sweet Old Lady on August 01, 2006, 06:39:07 PM
And Desmond did mention he buried him.

I don't think Desmond said that.  It was Kelvin who said that he buried Radzinsky.  He said something like "And the worst of it was that I only had 108 minutes to bury the poor bastard." 
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: beckhamfan on August 01, 2006, 09:10:52 PM
no i think desmond mentioned it.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: User#1 on August 02, 2006, 08:16:48 PM
I think Kelvin could still be alive.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: jugdish on August 02, 2006, 08:23:00 PM
dead
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: User#1 on August 02, 2006, 08:26:27 PM
ha, funny guy
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: beckhamfan on August 02, 2006, 09:50:36 PM
dead
i like it short and to the point :D
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: demra on August 02, 2006, 11:41:15 PM
page 24 and
he is still dead 
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: beckhamfan on August 03, 2006, 09:46:11 AM
yes how sad is that.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Geronimo Jackson on August 03, 2006, 01:17:31 PM
dead and want back story
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: goober on August 03, 2006, 01:23:09 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v113/daytonford/Its-Alive.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v113/daytonford/261695.gif)
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Geronimo Jackson on August 03, 2006, 01:24:50 PM
excellent goober classic ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: beckhamfan on August 03, 2006, 08:36:12 PM
well that was..... different. :D
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: jugdish on August 04, 2006, 01:26:07 AM
Goober you sure come up with some crazy stuff. Still dead but original way of making your point. lol
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: beckhamfan on August 04, 2006, 11:17:08 AM
yep
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: demra on August 05, 2006, 12:36:02 AM
well that was..... different. :D


that sums up goober  pertty well
LOL
:D ;D
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: beckhamfan on August 07, 2006, 01:22:00 PM
yay i got it right!
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Desmond8MyPopRocks on August 07, 2006, 11:06:01 PM
It is actually possible that Kelvin is the real Radzinski.

cheers
*Des8
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: jugdish on August 08, 2006, 02:34:09 AM
WOuld that fit the timeline of when he was in Iraq?
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Desmond8MyPopRocks on August 08, 2006, 03:55:20 AM
WOuld that fit the timeline of when he was in Iraq?

Yeah... time on the Island is not what it is in the real world.  It fits.

cheers doll
*Des8
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Sweet Old Lady on August 08, 2006, 05:24:30 AM
I'm having some trouble with this "time on the island is different" notion.  If they're still on this planet then time has to be the same for them as it is for us.  Time is measured by the earth's rotation and orbit and so forth.  How could it be different on an island?
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Desmond8MyPopRocks on August 08, 2006, 06:21:39 AM
I'm having some trouble with this "time on the island is different" notion.  If they're still on this planet then time has to be the same for them as it is for us.  Time is measured by the earth's rotation and orbit and so forth.  How could it be different on an island?

SOL
Not sure yet, but the writers have said at ComiCon that time on the Island is not the way time moves for the rest of us.

*Des8
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: goober on August 08, 2006, 10:29:26 AM
SOL

I too am having difficulty with this concept. The cycle of rotation is approximately 24 hours, so time on the island should be equivalent to that of the rest of the world. I am interested in how the writers are going to work this out, because Des IS correct... the producers have said that time on the island is different than real-world time.

Hmmmmm.(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v113/daytonford/39.gif)

Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: beckhamfan on August 08, 2006, 06:08:18 PM
the world just probobly rotates slower than it does eerywhere else.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: jugdish on August 09, 2006, 01:24:27 AM
WOuld that fit the timeline of when he was in Iraq?

Yeah... time on the Island is not what it is in the real world.  It fits.

cheers doll
*Des8

 Two things. One didn't the producers say that we assume it is the same time but it might not be. They did not say that the time is absolutely different. Second we don't know if time on the island is faster, slower or back in time or in the future.

I may have given up on my time manipulation theory to soon.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Geronimo Jackson on August 09, 2006, 09:01:29 PM
SOL

I too am having difficulty with this concept. The cycle of rotation is approximately 24 hours, so time on the island should be equivalent to that of the rest of the world. I am interested in how the writers are going to work this out, because Des IS correct... the producers have said that time on the island is different than real-world time.

Hmmmmm.(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v113/daytonford/39.gif)



and wouldn't michael notice on his watch
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: jugdish on August 09, 2006, 10:04:56 PM
You mean the special watchgiven to Jin by Mr. Pak who very well may be neck deep in this mystery??
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Desmond8MyPopRocks on August 10, 2006, 05:03:47 AM
WOuld that fit the timeline of when he was in Iraq?

Yeah... time on the Island is not what it is in the real world.  It fits.

cheers doll
*Des8
Juggie:
I'm sorry but I don't agree with you on this one; I'll go back and reread the transcript and interviews, but I'm quite certain Carlton Cuse said time is different on the Island, or to paraphrase, that it is not the same as the "outside world."

What if this is the clue GJ has been waiting for with her Hollow Earth theory?  If you take her theory on its face value, it would stand to reason that time is different "inside" the earth, rather than outside--simply because your rotation level and rate is different.

I am certain I read that it's only been about 2 weeks (or such) since our Losties crashed, yet our Losties put their time at approx 63-65 days as of LTDA.  A shorter rotation cycle around your "sun" giving you the impression of day/night at a faster rate would certainly increase your idea of what day it is.  GJ may really be on to something.  Let me see if I can find where I read that.  BTW, it was an official interview, not some internet bullS that was made up; it was from a reliable source.

You've really piqued my curiosity now.  I'll let you know what I find out.
cheers doll
*Des8

 Two things. One didn't the producers say that we assume it is the same time but it might not be. They did not say that the time is absolutely different. Second we don't know if time on the island is faster, slower or back in time or in the future.

I may have given up on my time manipulation theory to soon.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Desmond8MyPopRocks on August 10, 2006, 05:13:56 AM
SOL

I too am having difficulty with this concept. The cycle of rotation is approximately 24 hours, so time on the island should be equivalent to that of the rest of the world. I am interested in how the writers are going to work this out, because Des IS correct... the producers have said that time on the island is different than real-world time.

Hmmmmm.(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v113/daytonford/39.gif)



and wouldn't michael notice on his watch

GJ:
Help me out with this here, I'm working on and with your theory.  Jin's watch that Michael's wearing wouldn't change its measure of time--it's internal clock is set to the International 24 hours.  If what the producers/writers said was true, that time is actually shorter in real time than on the Island, that would mean that their location is internal, because the rotation is faster. 

I just read this a few days ago and forgot about it with all that's going on here, but let me see if I can find the source tonight.  Have Jug give it a thought, too.

Love ya
*Des8
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Geronimo Jackson on August 10, 2006, 01:32:16 PM
You mean the special watchgiven to Jin by Mr. Pak who very well may be neck deep in this mystery??

yeah that one the one SOL had a a great theory about it relasing poison .
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: jugdish on August 10, 2006, 02:11:31 PM
I have not kept up on the hollow earth theory to much. I did read GJ theory a while ago. I just hope it is not true. If the are inside the earth how do they see the sun, the moon, have rainstorms etc. There would be no atmosphere in the hollow earth.

Sorry if this was covered in you theory.
I still think time is not right on the island but not because they are inside the earth.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Geronimo Jackson on August 10, 2006, 02:42:12 PM
I have not kept up on the hollow earth theory to much. I did read GJ theory a while ago. I just hope it is not true. If the are inside the earth how do they see the sun, the moon, have rainstorms etc. There would be no atmosphere in the hollow earth.

Sorry if this was covered in you theory.
I still think time is not right on the island but not because they are inside the earth.
I so hope it's not true either believe me only posted it as used part of it in first stages of game.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: beckhamfan on August 10, 2006, 05:17:06 PM
you thin kt hey are in the earth?
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Geronimo Jackson on August 10, 2006, 06:38:18 PM
SOL

I too am having difficulty with this concept. The cycle of rotation is approximately 24 hours, so time on the island should be equivalent to that of the rest of the world. I am interested in how the writers are going to work this out, because Des IS correct... the producers have said that time on the island is different than real-world time.

Hmmmmm.(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v113/daytonford/39.gif)



and wouldn't michael notice on his watch

GJ:
Help me out with this here, I'm working on and with your theory.  Jin's watch that Michael's wearing wouldn't change its measure of time--it's internal clock is set to the International 24 hours.  If what the producers/writers said was true, that time is actually shorter in real time than on the Island, that would mean that their location is internal, because the rotation is faster. 

I just read this a few days ago and forgot about it with all that's going on here, but let me see if I can find the source tonight.  Have Jug give it a thought, too.

Love ya
*Des8
Yeah you are right would move on it's own time.But producers didn't say slower or faster,just in different time than real time.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: beckhamfan on August 10, 2006, 10:07:04 PM
don' tknow who said this and sorry to take it but 25 page and still dead.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: goober on August 11, 2006, 11:51:04 AM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v113/daytonford/032503_ermey_header02.jpg)
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Geronimo Jackson on August 12, 2006, 11:55:14 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v113/daytonford/032503_ermey_header02.jpg)

 then where is he goober?
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: beckhamfan on August 14, 2006, 06:15:15 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v113/daytonford/032503_ermey_header02.jpg)

 then where is he goober?
i am very scared now!
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: misspensinger on August 22, 2006, 09:03:30 PM
Come on, we all know he is dead ::) :P ;D
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: jugdish on August 22, 2006, 11:17:20 PM
dead
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: misspensinger on August 23, 2006, 02:32:01 PM
http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Kelvin

Some interesting reading
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Desmond8MyPopRocks on August 23, 2006, 07:04:00 PM
http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Kelvin

Some interesting reading
AlwaysL:

Wow, what a great site!  Thanks for posting it... I'm still reading through, but it's ab fab!

especially the section on my man Des  :o

cheers doll
*Des8
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: misspensinger on August 23, 2006, 07:05:05 PM
Thanks Des, I thought it was cool, but figured everyone else must know about it ;)
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Desmond8MyPopRocks on August 23, 2006, 07:39:16 PM
Thanks Des, I thought it was cool, but figured everyone else must know about it ;)
AlwaysL:
I am LOLOLing reading the bio of Vincent.  I'm particularly cracking up because they mention "the dog of doom" that GJ and I have been referencing for quite some time. 

This is a great site.

cheers
*Des8
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: jugdish on August 23, 2006, 10:08:20 PM
Great place to check ones facts and to refresh the memory.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: misspensinger on August 23, 2006, 10:36:46 PM
Yeah, I was laughing pretty hard about a few things.  You know with Lost on haitus everyone is going thru theories like crazy and reading that site reminds you why certain theories are null and void and why others are valid.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: jugdish on August 24, 2006, 02:21:51 AM
USe it to shoot some down! SOme facts might bring some light to our crazy imaginations.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Geronimo Jackson on August 24, 2006, 02:51:33 PM
http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Kelvin

Some interesting reading
AlwaysL:

Wow, what a great site!  Thanks for posting it... I'm still reading through, but it's ab fab!

especially the section on my man Des  :o

cheers doll
*Des8

It's a fantastic site even mentions Hollow Earth LOL
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: beckhamfan on August 24, 2006, 09:28:22 PM
dead deadeaddead dumdum.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: jugdish on August 24, 2006, 11:07:25 PM
beck is right again
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: goober on August 27, 2006, 09:17:24 AM
OMFG  :o Lewis Black agrees with me:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v113/daytonford/Lewis20Black20-20after.jpg)
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Desmond8MyPopRocks on August 27, 2006, 06:33:12 PM
LOL........... that was funny  ::)


cheers
*Des8
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Geronimo Jackson on August 27, 2006, 09:42:33 PM
OMFG  :o Lewis Black agrees with me:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v113/daytonford/Lewis20Black20-20after.jpg)


 well well done goober loved it
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: demra on August 27, 2006, 11:57:17 PM
page 27  and still dead
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Geronimo Jackson on August 28, 2006, 02:18:45 PM
but i wish he wasn't want his backstory on how he left cia and joined dharma and ended upin craphole island.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: demra on August 28, 2006, 10:46:11 PM
i agree with you there GJ

we need more of his story
but  he is still dead
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: jugdish on August 28, 2006, 10:54:07 PM
On lost you can always get a backstory even if they are dead!. He already appeared in two back stories that were not his own.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Geronimo Jackson on August 29, 2006, 02:09:17 PM
On lost you can always get a backstory even if they are dead!. He already appeared in two back stories that were not his own.

Yep you and Jim correct so let's have his back story and bury him too.I'lll suppply the shovels.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: jugdish on August 29, 2006, 03:45:39 PM
I'll be at the service
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Geronimo Jackson on August 29, 2006, 04:15:31 PM
you gonna do the tombstone?
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: jugdish on August 29, 2006, 04:16:22 PM
You got it.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Geronimo Jackson on August 29, 2006, 04:18:04 PM
okay we just need to pick a day and time and bury this poor sucker once and for all....
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Desmond8MyPopRocks on August 29, 2006, 09:33:40 PM
still alive  ;D

cheers
*Des8
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: jugdish on August 29, 2006, 09:40:38 PM
Des Des Des, so smart on so many topics but so wrong on this one. :D
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: goober on August 29, 2006, 11:24:20 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v113/daytonford/ClancyBrown_StarshipTroopers_Zim.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v113/daytonford/235242.gif)(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v113/daytonford/235242.gif)(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v113/daytonford/235242.gif)(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v113/daytonford/235242.gif)(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v113/daytonford/235242.gif)(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v113/daytonford/235242.gif)(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v113/daytonford/235242.gif)(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v113/daytonford/235242.gif)(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v113/daytonford/235242.gif)(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v113/daytonford/235242.gif)
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: demra on August 30, 2006, 12:22:13 AM
Dead and burried

long ago 
a burial at sea
fish food
gator bait
shark poop 

squid squirts

LOL
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Desmond8MyPopRocks on August 30, 2006, 04:49:14 AM
Dead and burried

long ago 
a burial at sea
fish food
gator bait
shark poop 

squid squirts

LOL

Demra LOLOL  squid squirts

cheers
*Des8
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Geronimo Jackson on August 30, 2006, 02:07:04 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v113/daytonford/ClancyBrown_StarshipTroopers_Zim.jpg)


Love it Goober ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: jugdish on August 30, 2006, 09:49:16 PM
Your creativity is almost changing my mind, but than I would be wrong. lol

Great stuff Goober
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: beckhamfan on August 31, 2006, 06:29:39 PM
nice goober where do you get this stuff?
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: goober on September 01, 2006, 03:08:15 PM
Google for clancy brown images and just add a caption to it.  ;D
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: demra on September 01, 2006, 10:22:34 PM
(http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j151/nogard2/clancy378X481.jpg)
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: jugdish on September 02, 2006, 01:04:55 AM
demra strikes back!
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: demra on September 02, 2006, 01:14:57 AM
well i am armed  ya know
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Geronimo Jackson on September 03, 2006, 11:47:44 PM
nah no more big stick but he does look alive....... if his characer really is alive no way his name can ever appear on opening credits actor too welll known and afyter allthiseven more welll known, gotta find a shawshank clip of him...
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: beckhamfan on September 05, 2006, 06:51:42 PM
this may be waay off topic sorry but when does s3 start?
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: demra on September 06, 2006, 02:35:19 AM
Lost Season 3 Starts October 4rth 2006
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Geronimo Jackson on September 06, 2006, 01:22:36 PM
Lost Season 3 Starts October 4rth 2006

and he is still dead?
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: beckhamfan on September 06, 2006, 05:41:01 PM
yes he is still dead.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: goober on September 07, 2006, 10:33:31 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v113/daytonford/paris_hilton_what_is_she_smoking_2.jpg)
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: demra on September 08, 2006, 01:56:57 AM
is she holding a doobie in that pic :o
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: goober on September 08, 2006, 03:20:12 PM
Wouldn't be out of character  ;D
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Geronimo Jackson on September 09, 2006, 06:24:39 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v113/daytonford/paris_hilton_what_is_she_smoking_2.jpg)

Fun in the after life uh?
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: demra on September 09, 2006, 07:02:03 PM
stil think she is hitting a doobie in that pic
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Geronimo Jackson on September 09, 2006, 07:11:12 PM
stil think she is hitting a doobie in that pic
cell phones and doobies in after life
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: goober on September 10, 2006, 02:01:33 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v113/daytonford/paris_hilton_what_is_she_smoking.jpg)
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: demra on September 10, 2006, 03:43:47 PM
yup  most definitely  a doobie

to bad Kelvin cant partake
cause


HE'S DEAD 
:p
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Geronimo Jackson on September 12, 2006, 03:52:04 PM
he could be smokin one with christain in underwater hatch.....
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Cardacct on September 12, 2006, 07:43:28 PM
Just over three weeks until a new season starts, and we can find out the answer to this question.

Answer:  Kelvin is Alive!
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: jugdish on September 12, 2006, 10:02:36 PM
Three weeks or three years. WHo knows when they will reveal this clue.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: demra on September 13, 2006, 01:12:21 AM
Page 29

now deader then ever


;D

Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: jugdish on September 13, 2006, 02:25:49 PM
is she holding a doobie in that pic :o

Must be good stuff she's smoking, cause she is seeing dead people.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: demra on September 14, 2006, 02:09:41 AM
LMAO 

right on  brutha

whoooooo raaaaaaaa
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Desmond8MyPopRocks on September 14, 2006, 07:29:19 AM
If that's the case, you know she's smoking Humboldt Purple Kush, which reminds me....

that it's a damn good thing I'm from CA  :o

cheers
*Des8
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Desmond8MyPopRocks on October 02, 2006, 02:27:53 PM
We are now down to 2 days and Kelvin's still alive  :o

cheers
*Des8
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Geronimo Jackson on October 03, 2006, 12:23:05 PM
He is still dead unfournately
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: goober on October 03, 2006, 12:48:38 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v113/daytonford/kurgan.jpg)
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: goober on October 03, 2006, 12:49:02 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v113/daytonford/immortal.jpg)
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Geronimo Jackson on October 03, 2006, 03:58:44 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v113/daytonford/immortal.jpg)

He can show up like that in undewater hatch ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Desmond8MyPopRocks on October 03, 2006, 10:07:07 PM
LOLOL...... you people are killing me.

I swear I saw Kelvin at an IHOP last weekend.  Don't dick with me about IHOP, I like their pancakes :)

alive Kelvin syrup cheers
*Des8
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: demra on October 04, 2006, 02:12:13 AM
ya  Des   i think i saw him tooo

he was sitting with Elvis  easting fried peanut butter and bananna flap jacks 

:-*
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Desmond8MyPopRocks on October 04, 2006, 12:04:24 PM
ya  Des   i think i saw him tooo

he was sitting with Elvis  easting fried peanut butter and bananna flap jacks 

:-*

LOL
no wonder I adore your deliciously nasty posts.  Your very dark sense of humor appeals to my .... well I was going to say Jedi side but f that, I mean my personal  humanitarian side  ;D

<--still LOL

pancake cheers
*Des8
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: demra on October 04, 2006, 01:10:51 PM
Back at ya Des 

Huggs to ya sweetie
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Desmond8MyPopRocks on October 06, 2006, 08:47:01 AM
Kelvin's still alive, btw...

;)
on-ice cheers
*Des8
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Cardacct on October 06, 2006, 09:24:07 PM
Kelvin is alive; Christian is dead.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: demra on October 07, 2006, 02:39:02 AM
both dead

;D
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Michelle13 on October 07, 2006, 11:13:11 AM
both alive  :D
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: demra on October 07, 2006, 01:01:32 PM
now stop that  you know they are dead  you are just being difficult  :-*
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Michelle13 on October 07, 2006, 01:14:59 PM
now stop that  you know they are dead  you are just being difficult  :-*


Me?? Difficult?? NEVER!!!

Oh Jim...you know they are...


Alive alive alive I say...  :-*
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: demra on October 07, 2006, 01:31:58 PM
LOL  WHAT EVER  ;)
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Desmond8MyPopRocks on October 07, 2006, 03:53:59 PM
Kelvin is alive and living in a van down by the river

cheers
*Des8
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Michelle13 on October 07, 2006, 04:10:37 PM
 :D
Kelvin is alive and living in a van down by the river

cheers
*Des8
:D


funny stuff des. now clean up that coffee table you just broke!  ;)
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: BobBX542 on October 11, 2006, 03:55:16 PM
Well done indeed Des
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: BlackrockBob on October 11, 2006, 10:48:58 PM
I've said it before, and I'll say it again, unless we see his dead body stay buried, I'd not rule out that he is still alive.
Title: Kelvin?????????
Post by: Chefpyro on October 14, 2006, 04:36:01 PM
Where did Kelvin's body go? Desmond left him on the rocks where the boat was anchored, so there still should be remains somewhere.
Title: Re: Kelvin?????????
Post by: BlackrockBob on October 14, 2006, 06:58:27 PM
Where did Kelvin's body go? Desmond left him on the rocks where the boat was anchored, so there still should be remains somewhere.
We don't know if Desmond ever saw the corpse when we went back to his boat. Personally, I think Desmond never left the hatch again until ran out after they shot the computer.

I don't think Kelvin is dead. I know he would have taken the boat, but if he didn't know how to get out, he might have said around for a few weeks, and just made it back to where he hid it to begin with. I think he's with some other people, maybe the Bad Guys.
Title: Re: Kelvin?????????
Post by: JBRam on October 14, 2006, 11:22:54 PM
Oh, sure, you slam a guy's head on the rocks, blood stars pooling underneath and brains spill out, and Kelvin just gets up and walks off...Makes perfect sense.
Title: Re: Kelvin?????????
Post by: demra on October 14, 2006, 11:30:58 PM
we have a whole thread ( many pages ) i will find the link for you
Title: Re: Kelvin?????????
Post by: demra on October 14, 2006, 11:33:49 PM
http://lost.cubit.net/forum/index.php?topic=1671.0


here you go
we have hashed this one over the summer  so skip the BS stuff LOL
Title: Re: Kelvin?????????
Post by: scrod on October 14, 2006, 11:35:22 PM
Polar bears ate his remains...
Title: Re: Kelvin?????????
Post by: demra on October 14, 2006, 11:38:40 PM
hi scrod  i treid to leave but  you know this place

i like that i dont think anyone said that one
Title: Re: Kelvin?????????
Post by: Chefpyro on October 15, 2006, 10:13:38 AM
since when does anything on this show make sense? With so little information given, I think it's hard to say what has happened yet. I didn't see any brains but if you say it it must be true. JBRam must have the remaining scripts. What do we need J.J. Abrahms for?
Title: Re: Kelvin?????????
Post by: demra on October 15, 2006, 12:32:59 PM
Hey Chef

if you get a chance to check out the other thread  on this ( and you can weed through all the silliness )

it might spark some thoughts
i really dont remember anyone saying  the polor bears ate him


my theory as to the body was the big shift in the tides that took the plane wreckage into the ocean could have done the same to a mans body very easily

and my position is that he is dead
But there are  many poeple that think he is still alive
;D
Title: Re: Kelvin?????????
Post by: JBRam on October 15, 2006, 09:01:56 PM
since when does anything on this show make sense? With so little information given, I think it's hard to say what has happened yet. I didn't see any brains but if you say it it must be true. JBRam must have the remaining scripts. What do we need J.J. Abrahms for?

Sorry, but I just can't fathom someone living after what we saw on the show. Unless of course it was just really dark tomato juice that came out the back of his head...
Title: Re: Kelvin?????????
Post by: jojojjjj on October 15, 2006, 10:01:25 PM
Kelvin will end up being one of the 'bad guys' as in...the government..something like that...and he's not death
Title: Re: Kelvin?????????
Post by: BlackrockBob on October 16, 2006, 08:37:03 AM
Oh, sure, you slam a guy's head on the rocks, blood stars pooling underneath and brains spill out, and Kelvin just gets up and walks off...Makes perfect sense.

No brains, just some blood. I've cut the top of my head before and saw all the blood, I thought I was going to die.
I know we have another thread, I was just answering his question about the body.
Also if Locke was paralyzed (not just a mental condition) like other people believe and the island cured him, and Rose's cancer was cured by the island like other people believe, why can't a little head trama be cured?
Title: Re: Kelvin?????????
Post by: demra on October 16, 2006, 11:28:16 AM
well locke did heal faster from his leg injury

but i am sticking with Kelvin is fish food by now

;D
Title: Re: Kelvin?????????
Post by: jugdish on October 16, 2006, 01:22:18 PM
I think he is dead and his body could of either been taken away by animals,(boars or bears or anyother animal on the island) or more likely the tide took his body away.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Pandora on October 16, 2006, 01:35:44 PM
Thanks for finding the old thread on this, demra (I remembered it was around, but couldn't find it at first! :)).  Sorry for any disturbance with the moving around, but I merged this because it's easier just to have one thread on a conversation, so that people don't have to refer back and forth and repeat themselves... already lots of good points in this old thread.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: PurpleLostPrincess on October 16, 2006, 05:25:10 PM
This is one of those subjects that I'm afraid I've given up on! (doesn't happen very often and no offence to anyone!). I reckon we will find out either way at some point maybe later in season 3 so I'm just gonna hang on till then and see what we find out... He might be alive, he might not but then he could be, but then there's no way he could be, but then what if...  
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: jugdish on October 16, 2006, 05:28:13 PM
This is one of those subjects that I'm afraid I've given up on! (doesn't happen very often and no offence to anyone!). I reckon we will find out either way at some point maybe later in season 3 so I'm just gonna hang on till then and see what we find out... He might be alive, he might not but then he could be, but then there's no way he could be, but then what if...  

Very good post. I am going to follow your lead. I am done with this thread until something changes on the show with Kelvin.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: PurpleLostPrincess on October 16, 2006, 05:35:47 PM
Fanx Juggy! Great to see you by the way!  
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: jugdish on October 16, 2006, 05:56:30 PM
Fanx Juggy! Great to see you by the way!  

Ditto Purple!

Ok this was my last post here until his death is proven not to be true.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Geronimo Jackson on October 18, 2006, 09:17:55 PM
Fanx Juggy! Great to see you by the way!  

Ditto Purple!

Ok this was my last post here until his death is proven not to be true.

We agree he's dead once his name appears on credits we are gonna eat crow Juggy.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: goober on October 19, 2006, 06:17:06 PM
Well considering what I saw on last night's episode, I'm now leaning towards Kelvin being polar bear poop now  :-\
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Desmond8MyPopRocks on November 23, 2006, 04:57:35 AM
"If they're buried, they're dead"--Lindelof.

Kelvin's still alive.  Go back and do the match--the Tailies and our LOSTIES, Jin, Michael and Sawyer trekked over where Kelvin should've been rotting for 2 days--but he's nowhere to be found.  You think the writers pulled that specific location for our LOSTIES and the Tailies to trek over out of their collective pieholes?

Nah.

It was to show us Kelvin's body was nowhere to be found--and he's still alive  :)

cheers
*Des8
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: demra on November 24, 2006, 12:45:25 AM
sorry to burst your theory  Des  but by the time the tailies trekked across that area  it had bee 48 -50 days not 2

the body was long gone by then 
i say again if a strong change in the surf can take the majority of the plane off the beach  it can take abody out to sea also

Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Michelle13 on November 24, 2006, 12:50:10 AM
Well considering what I saw on last night's episode, I'm now leaning towards Kelvin being polar bear poop now  :-\


 :D polar bear poop
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Desmond8MyPopRocks on November 25, 2006, 04:41:53 AM
sorry to burst your theory  Des  but by the time the tailies trekked across that area  it had bee 48 -50 days not 2

the body was long gone by then 
i say again if a strong change in the surf can take the majority of the plane off the beach  it can take abody out to sea also


Hey baby... sorry to burst YOUR bubble, but consider the time-factor:

Desmond supposedly "killed" Kelvin 2 days before our Losties blew the hatch--in the meantime our Tailies were trekking across the Island over where "Kelvin" would've been found--give or take a few days.  Nonetheless, Kelvin wouldn't have been Kelvin-jerky in the sun for 60 days...(so that counts your timeline out, without even considering that it doesn't match the timeline we were given by the writers).  It was only 2 days after Des hit Kelvin on the noodle before Locke blew the hatch and found Desmond inside.

Go back and watch the S1 finale, MOSMOF and Adrift, the First 48 and Collission---the time on the Island was only at 2-3 days since the hatch was blown from when Des knocked out Kelvin.... so by the time the Tailies and Sawyer, Jin and that traitor Michael (who weren't even at sea one day, but were in captivity by the Tailies and trekking for 1.5 days) came across the spot where Kelvin's body should've been.

Kelvin's still alive, darlin.  And so is Dr Drunk :)

It's all in the timeline, baby.

cheers
*Des8
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Desmond8MyPopRocks on November 25, 2006, 04:43:42 AM
sorry to burst your theory  Des  but by the time the tailies trekked across that area  it had bee 48 -50 days not 2

the body was long gone by then 
i say again if a strong change in the surf can take the majority of the plane off the beach  it can take abody out to sea also


Demra:
and if your timeline is true, then our Losties would've been trekking over that area while the Marshall was still screaming in the tent and the Smoke Monster had yet to visit MrLocke--Boone would still be alive, Shannon too.  You've got your timeline backward.

cheers doll
*Des8
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: demra on November 25, 2006, 01:22:03 PM
nope  des  sorry  i dont think so 

des did not push the button on time because he was fighting with kelvin that caused the crash
they did not find the hatch 2 days later

* my bubble still intact ;D  *
kelvin is fish food



Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Chefpyro on December 07, 2006, 06:44:02 PM
Well, boars and bears both really don't wander to closely to the beach, so I'm thinking that Kelvin was picked up by the smoke monster. Perhaps "they're" collecting the bodies for experiments in life longevity. Just a thought. Either way, I think Kelvin is still alive. I think it was closer to 44 days when they blew the hatch. It took them more than two days just to dig it out like they did. Tell me why that there was a complex mirror / telescope system set-up pointed at an escape hatch and ladder that was sealed and never used. What was he or any Dharma member watching for?Also, when the hatch imploded, the top of the ladder and escape hatch were damaged. Not the area under the dome, where the failsafe key was?

 
<--------Pyro
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: jugdish on December 07, 2006, 06:58:50 PM
Bears hunt for fish on the side of water and the boars have been in the losties beach camp. They will go were there is fresh meat.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: demra on December 08, 2006, 12:37:47 PM
agreed Juggy

Polao Bears hunt seals in and out of the water
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: jugdish on December 08, 2006, 12:59:45 PM
We are like one mind. Other than the underwater hatch we agree!
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: demra on December 08, 2006, 01:38:38 PM
LOL

ya  that hatch thing uggg LOL

i just could not get there from that cable 

now it looks like it might be the power/Comm cable between the 2 islands

Wait  it is not a cable it is a reallly small tunnel between the islands 

;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: JBRam on December 08, 2006, 01:46:52 PM
LOL

ya  that hatch thing uggg LOL

i just could not get there from that cable 

now it looks like it might be the power/Comm cable between the 2 islands

Wait  it is not a cable it is a reallly small tunnel between the islands 

;D ;D ;D
The ants go marching one by one hurrah...hurrah...
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: jugdish on December 10, 2006, 10:58:24 PM
Maybe the wire that Sayid found connects the small island and the large island's communication.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: demra on December 11, 2006, 12:10:06 AM
umm  i just said that Juggy :D

now that i think about it  wouldn't you think Sayid would have looked out to sea when he found the cable and seen the smaller island  i dont remember there being any Fog or bad weather when he found it

dont you just love when you start to type something out and end up debunking your own theories  LOL
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: JBRam on December 11, 2006, 12:28:42 AM
You're right, Jim. There was no bad weather.

According to TPTB, the Losties could have covered approximately 3/4 of the island and never see Alcatraz. Interesting tidbit

Re the cable: Possibly it didn't go straight to the island, but around the edge? possibly... Maybe at one point it was in plain sight, but after a few years, the tide pulled it under water.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: demra on December 11, 2006, 01:26:08 AM
i still think it was more likely that it is a " trans atlantic" cable that feeds the main island with power and communication

that was my first impression when Sayid found it anyway
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: JBRam on December 11, 2006, 11:49:19 AM
Possible... but that's a very long cable... Cost a LOT of money to place it...
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: demra on December 11, 2006, 12:37:45 PM
they have cables like that laid all over the world
before satellite communication that is what was used



Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: jugdish on December 11, 2006, 12:48:33 PM
Most likely. I don't remeber seeing an island when Sayid looked out at the ocean.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: demra on December 11, 2006, 12:58:17 PM
i think  and this is only a guess the smaller island is not on that side of the main island

or it looks like a small rock island ( you know  not much interesting to draw people there )
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: JBRam on December 11, 2006, 06:26:08 PM
they have cables like that laid all over the world
before satellite communication that is what was used
Right, but would we have one going to an island? Who put it there? I don't know if it's plausible yet, although it does fit the time frame.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: demra on December 12, 2006, 01:08:08 AM
i guess it would all depend on how far away the nearest point they could tie into one would be

i have no frame of referance for that yet so  i will take it as  Writers license
and stick with it being a supply / comm cable
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: daisyrain on December 12, 2006, 02:43:20 AM
Fiji? One of the hundreds of islands scattered around the Pacific, possibly even Australia?
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: demra on December 12, 2006, 12:15:27 PM
all good ideas  there Nat

any island nearby ( near being relative ) that could supply power and Comm is a likely candidate
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: jugdish on December 12, 2006, 01:16:18 PM
Still could be connected to a second underwater hatch.

Demra would love to be wrong twice! :D
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: demra on December 12, 2006, 01:43:41 PM
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO


Please dont even go there
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Desmond8MyPopRocks on December 19, 2006, 09:47:10 AM
Bummer for you peeps, I'm back.

In actuality, if there's a cable for communication, it's generally "boar tunneled" and the shot we have of it appearing on the beach is quite correct.

For instance, in the US there are various cables which lead from the mainland which are originally boared into the land but must come up at the coast and are held down past the coast into the water by weights--so technically, the show is pretty right on the money with what a  telecommunications cable looks like now that leaves the shores of the West Coast and is laid all along the ocean floor like a pearl necklace laid out in a velvet box.  (no joke intended)
In other words, what we've seen so far is up to date--it's not bullsh!t.  Having said that, it's an incredibly complicated process to get the cable across the ocean floor to the next available land clearing, only to boar through it to bring it back to the ocean floor again.  I only know this because it's one aspect of what MrDes8 does for a living and I've seen the process take place.  It's not cheap--and it's almost always exclusively a governmental entity which has the exclusive rights to be able to boar through near-water land and exclusively national and international permit rights are needed to be able to extend that cable.

Far too much being read into the cable Sayid found, but that's the way it works, at least for now--and as of 2004.
cheers dolls
*Des8
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: jugdish on December 19, 2006, 11:34:11 AM
About time you are back! I missed my des8!
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: JBRam on December 19, 2006, 06:10:52 PM
Bummer for you peeps, I'm back.

In actuality, if there's a cable for communication, it's generally "boar tunneled" and the shot we have of it appearing on the beach is quite correct.

For instance, in the US there are various cables which lead from the mainland which are originally boared into the land but must come up at the coast and are held down past the coast into the water by weights--so technically, the show is pretty right on the money with what a  telecommunications cable looks like now that leaves the shores of the West Coast and is laid all along the ocean floor like a pearl necklace laid out in a velvet box.  (no joke intended)
In other words, what we've seen so far is up to date--it's not bullsh!t.  Having said that, it's an incredibly complicated process to get the cable across the ocean floor to the next available land clearing, only to boar through it to bring it back to the ocean floor again.  I only know this because it's one aspect of what MrDes8 does for a living and I've seen the process take place.  It's not cheap--and it's almost always exclusively a governmental entity which has the exclusive rights to be able to boar through near-water land and exclusively national and international permit rights are needed to be able to extend that cable.

Far too much being read into the cable Sayid found, but that's the way it works, at least for now--and as of 2004.
cheers dolls
*Des8

YEY SHE'S BACK!!!

I'm glad you know a lot about random stuff like this ;) I guess it makes sense now... I don't really know.

With this information, do you think that Dharma or Hanso is.was a government-run corporation? I think we know it was commissioned by the UN Security Council (TLE).
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Desmond8MyPopRocks on December 19, 2006, 08:06:34 PM
JB!  what gives with the new name?  Hope your holiday season is going great.

Re: the cable and construction on the Island.... the more I think about it, it is more than likely it was government-funded or at least government approved. No way you can lay tcc cable like that across the ocean floor in International Waters without the permissions and permits.  It's not something you just throw out the window of your ride at midnight hoping no one will either see you or report you for.

cheers
*Des8
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: JBRam on December 19, 2006, 08:40:33 PM
JB!  what gives with the new name?  Hope your holiday season is going great.

Re: the cable and construction on the Island.... the more I think about it, it is more than likely it was government-funded or at least government approved. No way you can lay tcc cable like that across the ocean floor in International Waters without the permissions and permits.  It's not something you just throw out the window of your ride at midnight hoping no one will either see you or report you for.

cheers
*Des8
Hey! We're online at the same time and a warphole hasn't opened up!!! ;D

So are you thinking that Dharma is gov. funded, or just that the island may possibly use a cable from the government?
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: daisyrain on December 19, 2006, 11:06:36 PM
DHARMA has got to be government funded, I also remember something about the UN - the world teamed up and tried to sort out this Valenzetti(?) equation. If they have government money then I see underwater hatches, cables and underwater tunnels completely possible. HEHEHE
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: JBRam on December 19, 2006, 11:11:52 PM
DHARMA has got to be government funded, I also remember something about the UN - the world teamed up and tried to sort out this Valenzetti(?) equation. If they have government money then I see underwater hatches, cables and underwater tunnels completely possible. HEHEHE
I dunno... if it's government funded than it would have taken much longer than 20 years to construct anything of that type ;)

I'm wondering if Dharma is gov. funded, or if Hanso is gov. funded....
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: demra on December 20, 2006, 12:25:10 AM
government funding doesn't mean that the government sanctioned anything that was done or even had knowledge of it 
they tend to throw money around and hope they get results  sometimes

funneling monies from one project to another is done everyday by corporations

;D
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Desmond8MyPopRocks on December 20, 2006, 06:32:40 AM
government funding doesn't mean that the government sanctioned anything that was done or even had knowledge of it 
they tend to throw money around and hope they get results  sometimes

funneling monies from one project to another is done everyday by corporations

;D


As usual, my very good friend, Demra, is correct.  (except about the Kelvin alive thingie...we still disagree about that).

But, no corporation in any country that I know of can seruptitiously decide to start cabling underwater, let alone on land.  If it wasn't the case, every handjob corp would've been dropping lines in the world's oceans to their Boards of Directors' content...

nice, Demra.  Love ya, and nice to see you, brothah.

cheers
*Des8
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: jugdish on December 20, 2006, 10:00:02 AM
Page 34 and Kelvin is still dead
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: demra on December 20, 2006, 01:31:59 PM
LMAO  thanks  Juggy   


government funding doesn't mean that the government sanctioned anything that was done or even had knowledge of it 
they tend to throw money around and hope they get results  sometimes

funneling monies from one project to another is done everyday by corporations

;D


As usual, my very good friend, Demra, is correct.  (except about the Kelvin alive thingie...we still disagree about that).

But, no corporation in any country that I know of can seruptitiously decide to start cabling underwater, let alone on land.  If it wasn't the case, every handjob corp would've been dropping lines in the world's oceans to their Boards of Directors' content...

nice, Demra.  Love ya, and nice to see you, brothah.

cheers
*Des8

I agree Des  but given the nature of Dharma/ Hanso etc  i think it is very reasonable to think they could have run some " extra " cables to the island with out to much trouble

they get a contract to drop cable and just  run a little offshoot to their pet project  ya know ,They have the resources and the nature of the island  helps to keep the whole thing secret


glad to have you back Des  i love bouncing things off of you ;D

Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Desmond8MyPopRocks on December 21, 2006, 03:59:30 AM
and Kelvin's still alive.

cheers
*Des8
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: jugdish on December 21, 2006, 09:26:59 AM
Des is smart, beautiful, funny, insightful and so very,  very wrong on Kelvin.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: goober on December 21, 2006, 10:24:01 AM
Leaning towards dead now.

Subject to change based upon current medications.

 ;D
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: jugdish on December 21, 2006, 11:01:46 AM
Leaning towards dead now.

Subject to change based upon current medications.

 ;D

It appears that you have the right dosage now!
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: demra on December 21, 2006, 12:09:23 PM
Des is smart, beautiful, funny, insightful and so very,  very wrong on Kelvin.
once again  i find my self in complete agreement with you Juggy
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: jugdish on December 21, 2006, 12:56:18 PM
Des is smart, beautiful, funny, insightful and so very,  very wrong on Kelvin.
once again  i find my self in complete agreement with you Juggy

There is one topic we disagree on, but I can't remeber what it was.....


Maybe Dave??
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: goober on December 21, 2006, 02:09:12 PM
Dave's not here man  :P
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: demra on December 22, 2006, 02:36:57 AM
No maannnnn   

IT's ME 


DAAAAAAVVVVVVVVVEEE 
;D ;D

Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: goober on December 22, 2006, 09:35:18 AM
Dave?
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: demra on December 22, 2006, 12:19:12 PM
Yeah, Dave!Come on man open up!I think the cops saw me-
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: PrincessLeia on December 22, 2006, 03:30:14 PM
???

must be a guy thing

 ;D
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: goober on December 22, 2006, 09:50:55 PM
Dave? ???
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: demra on December 24, 2006, 02:42:37 AM
Right man, Dave.Now will you open up the door??
;D
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: jugdish on December 24, 2006, 02:50:04 PM
Dave is a made up person in hurleys head and Kelvin is still dead
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: San Diego Johnny on December 24, 2006, 03:04:41 PM
[skipped thread]

NO, KELVIN IS DEAD. ;D
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: goober on December 24, 2006, 07:24:18 PM
Dave's not here man  ;D
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: demra on December 28, 2006, 02:21:43 AM
LOL   

no   its ME  DAVE   Let me in  mann
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: goober on December 29, 2006, 10:02:51 PM
No stems, no seeds that you don't need

Acopulco gold is..................








Bad ass weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeed...

 :P
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: demra on December 31, 2006, 02:51:53 AM
you are one of the few people i have ever heard reference that Quote  a personal fav of mine  too ;D
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: goober on December 31, 2006, 10:59:38 AM
HUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGE Cheech & Chong fan here.

 :P

Good to meet a fellow fan.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: PrincessLeia on December 31, 2006, 11:04:31 AM
LOL

FINALLY!  I had just given up all hope of ever understanding what the heck you guys were talking about it here!   :D

You guys are dorks.  ::) lol   ;D
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: jugdish on December 31, 2006, 09:09:39 PM
Ha Ha Princess called you guys dorks! ;D
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: PrincessLeia on December 31, 2006, 09:16:58 PM
Ha Ha Princess called you guys dorks! ;D

YouBetcha!  lol   ::)
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: demra on January 01, 2007, 01:05:31 PM
LOL

FINALLY!  I had just given up all hope of ever understanding what the heck you guys were talking about it here!   :D

You guys are dorks.  ::) lol   ;D


Why :'( :'( :'( :'(

;)
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: snowyjoe on January 02, 2007, 01:45:18 AM
cheech and chong? BASKETBALL JONES, I GOT A BASKETBALL JONES, BASKETBALL JONES SO BABY OOOOOOOOOOO!!! lol!! love them!
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Sunflower on January 02, 2007, 02:58:11 AM
Guess What??

Kelvin is dead!
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: goober on January 02, 2007, 08:24:30 AM
KELVIN IS BASKETBALL JONES~!  :o :o :o


 ;)
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: demra on January 02, 2007, 12:21:53 PM
Guess What??

Kelvin is dead!

Page 36 and the truth comes out once again :D
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: jugdish on January 02, 2007, 01:07:43 PM
Guess What??

Kelvin is dead!

Page 36 and the truth comes out once again :D

Wrong, Page 37 and he is still dead.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Sunflower on January 02, 2007, 06:53:03 PM
Let's have a minute of silence out of respect for dead Kelvin ;)
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: jugdish on January 02, 2007, 10:39:27 PM
Long enough,

all dance and sing 'kelvin is dead"
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Sunflower on January 02, 2007, 10:42:05 PM
Kelvin is dead
Kelvin is dead
He cracked his head
Kelvin is dead

 ;D
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: jugdish on January 02, 2007, 10:43:00 PM
Yours is better, It has more lines.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Sunflower on January 02, 2007, 11:06:39 PM
We're a team Juggy!!  I'll dance now  ;)
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: jugdish on January 02, 2007, 11:08:21 PM
 Juggy dancing with Joy
    8)   :)
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Sunflower on January 02, 2007, 11:26:10 PM
You got some nice moves their!!!  ;)
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: jugdish on January 03, 2007, 10:02:14 AM
You are the class of this combo. I am just glowing in your sunshine.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: demra on January 03, 2007, 11:57:52 AM
Guess What??

Kelvin is dead!

Page 36 and the truth comes out once again :D

Wrong, Page 37 and he is still dead.
well it was page 36 when i posted it LOL

Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Sunflower on January 03, 2007, 12:12:42 PM
You are the class of this combo. I am just glowing in your sunshine.
Oh stop!! :-[ :D

You're a great leader!
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Desmond8MyPopRocks on January 03, 2007, 09:42:26 PM
My dear, sweet, misguided posting buddies:

Kelvin is still alive.  It may take us another season to find out, but he's still alive :)

xoxox
cheers
*Des8
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: JBRam on January 03, 2007, 09:48:23 PM
Anything you say, Des honey ;D

(Still think he croaked.)
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: goober on January 03, 2007, 10:01:58 PM
Got a new prescription.

KELVIN LIVES!  ;D
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: LostGirlDeb on January 03, 2007, 10:11:59 PM
Oh what the hell...He is alive and well and will surprise us all or those who do not think he is alive anyway.. :P
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Sunflower on January 03, 2007, 10:43:20 PM
My dear, sweet, misguided posting buddies:

Kelvin is still alive.  It may take us another season to find out, but he's still alive :)

xoxox
cheers
*Des8
It's more fun thinking he's dead tho  ;)  And I got to dance and sing with Juggy!
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: daisyrain on January 03, 2007, 11:43:48 PM
If he is alive, what is he doing?
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: JBRam on January 04, 2007, 12:24:33 AM
He's wearing a patch and terrorizing cameras... He's also diggin the underwater tunnel between Alcatraz and the Island...
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: snowyjoe on January 04, 2007, 04:05:47 AM
i think i wrote this on another thread, but i think he could be with patchy, i think he told him to find cameras and unplug them...... so they can do something in secret, and no i dont think that in a gay way......like Zeke....
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: jugdish on January 04, 2007, 11:03:54 AM
If they were unplugging cameras it took them long enough to get around to it. Kelvin has been dead(missing) since before the losties got to the island. It has been a long time.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: demra on January 04, 2007, 12:04:11 PM
source lostpedia

Kelvin planned to escape the Island by secretly repairing the sailboat Elizabeth, under the guise of investigating the Island. He always donned a HAZMAT suit when he left the Hatch. On one of the days which Kelvin went to repair the boat, Desmond noticed the suit was damaged. He followed Kelvin and watched him take it off outside the Hatch. Desmond continued following him until Kelvin confronted him at the cove. He asked Desmond to join him, but Desmond refused. He attacked Kelvin, and accidentally killed him.



Desmond then confronted Kelvin, after realizing the charade he was subjected to, and in the struggle that follows he accidentally slammed Kelvin's head against the rocks, resulting in his immediate death.


this along with the pod cast saying the dead will stay dead =
Kelvin is Dead
;D

Cheers Des :-*
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: jugdish on January 04, 2007, 01:03:37 PM
Excellent post Demra. Thanks for pulling out the facts. Just because lostpedia says he is dead does not mean he is. But it is true that Kelvin was not exploring the island, rather fixing the boat.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Desmond8MyPopRocks on January 04, 2007, 08:47:33 PM
Lostpedia is like Wikipedia..........and that's pretty Goddamned funny.

Kelvin is alive and dancing in my living room in a thong.

cheers
*Des8
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Sunflower on January 04, 2007, 08:50:54 PM
Des you are so frickin' hilarious!!  :-*

Maybe you should lay off the meds chica :o ;)  Cuz he's dead!!





I'm playing with you  ;D

He's really dead tho. ;)
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Desmond8MyPopRocks on January 04, 2007, 08:54:42 PM
Des you are so frickin' hilarious!!  :-*

Maybe you should lay off the meds chica :o ;)  Cuz he's dead!!





I'm playing with you  ;D

He's really dead tho. ;)

Sunflowah:

well, hell, Kelvin's dancing to "Crazy Bitch" but he's got an incredibly hairy ass so.... it's not that entertaining to watch, ya know?

Hope your holidays treated you well, doll.  Nice to see ya.

cheers
*Des8
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Sunflower on January 04, 2007, 09:00:43 PM
NICE!!!

I miss my Des!
 :'( :'(
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: jugdish on January 04, 2007, 09:34:28 PM
Des you are so frickin' hilarious!!  :-*

Maybe you should lay off the meds chica :o ;)  Cuz he's dead!!





I'm playing with you  ;D

He's really dead tho. ;)

Sunflowah:

well, hell, Kelvin's dancing to "Crazy Bitch" but he's got an incredibly hairy ass so.... it's not that entertaining to watch, ya know?

Hope your holidays treated you well, doll.  Nice to see ya.

cheers
*Des8

SO yo want us to support a theory that involves a guy hairy ass in a thong. No thanks. No he has to be dead.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: demra on January 05, 2007, 02:09:39 AM
i am affriad you will be 0 for 2 on these ideas Des 

both Kelvin and christian are dead 

(((((((((((huggs ))))))))))))

come by more often will ya  :-*
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: goober on January 05, 2007, 01:59:47 PM
Kelvin's bringing sexy back
Them other boys watch while he attacks
If that's your girl you better watch your back
Cause she'll burn it up for Kelvin and that's a fact

 ;D ;)
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: PrincessLeia on January 05, 2007, 05:21:49 PM
Kelvin's bringing sexy back
Them other boys watch while he attacks
If that's your girl you better watch your back
Cause she'll burn it up for Kelvin and that's a fact

 ;D ;)

romlmbo!  :D I will never listen to that song the same again.  ::) (Thanks alot.  :-\ ) :)
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Geronimo Jackson on January 23, 2007, 01:46:27 PM
still dead
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Desmond8MyPopRocks on January 23, 2007, 07:14:28 PM
yay!!!!! GJ is here!!!!  and Kelvin's still alive!

cheers and miss ya
*Des8
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Sunflower on January 23, 2007, 10:53:59 PM
Addie knows what's going on!!  Totally Dead!

Hugs girls!
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: JBRam on January 23, 2007, 10:59:59 PM
still dead
yay!!!!! GJ is here!!!!  and Kelvin's still alive!

cheers and miss ya
*Des8
Yey, you're both here! and Kelvin is dead!
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Michelle13 on January 23, 2007, 11:15:19 PM
Alive
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: jugdish on January 24, 2007, 10:03:13 AM
Dead
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: jugdish on January 24, 2007, 10:04:54 AM
This is fasinating conversation :D dead, alive, dead, alive.....
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: BobBX542 on January 24, 2007, 11:06:22 AM
So the last one was from jug as being dead, so I'm going to mix it up bit. Zombie with Tourettes
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: jugdish on January 24, 2007, 11:18:31 AM
Now we got something new to think about :D
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Geronimo Jackson on January 24, 2007, 12:59:08 PM
yay!!!!! GJ is here!!!!  and Kelvin's still alive!

cheers and miss ya
*Des8
hjy Des sweetie missed ya and he is still dead.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: snowyjoe on January 24, 2007, 04:37:17 PM
Kelvin and dr drunk.... sorry to say.... they are still alive
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: BobBX542 on January 25, 2007, 10:38:10 AM
Seriously though, both, totally dead.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: snowyjoe on January 26, 2007, 02:06:31 AM
dont start me up...lol
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Sunflower on January 26, 2007, 03:48:56 AM
Hate to have to be the one to tell you all this....

BUT...

Kelvin is DEAD
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: snowyjoe on January 27, 2007, 12:58:02 AM
look... face it, ok?

all desmond did was tackle him to the rocky ground... maybe cut his head open and deeply knocked him out... patchy mc creep walks by and gets him back to the flame hatch...ok?

now if that doesn't make sense..... get a life....
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: JBRam on January 27, 2007, 01:11:34 AM
look... face it, ok?

all desmond did was tackle him to the rocky ground... maybe cut his head open and deeply knocked him out... patchy mc creep walks by and gets him back to the flame hatch...ok?

now if that doesn't make sense..... get a life....
Have you ever smashed your skull on a rock? No? Maybe that's why you're still breathing! ;)
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: snowyjoe on January 27, 2007, 01:29:36 AM
look..its it possible.... he might have only hit his head a little... were you there? then how can you make a coment...seriously just think of what it could be like....
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: PrincessLeia on January 27, 2007, 02:58:36 AM
look..its it possible.... he might have only hit his head a little... were you there? then how can you make a coment...seriously just think of what it could be like....
pssst....C'mere, snowyjoe.  *putting arm around you*  I'm sorry to be the one that has to break this to you, but...um...LOST?  It's just a TV show.  :-\   JB couldn't have possibly been there, however...there was a scene filmed in which the character of Kelvin...died.  Hundreds of thousands of viewers saw that.  :)
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Desmond8MyPopRocks on January 27, 2007, 05:26:45 AM
Hello fantastic people...Kelvin is alive

cheers
*Des8
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: snowyjoe on January 27, 2007, 05:51:01 AM
huzzah a person that beleives me....

check out this flick..its got the scene where the fake death(emphasis on the fake) occurs....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWZYyFvNFik  (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWZYyFvNFik)

this shows the clip of the apparent death.... tlk to me....
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: JBRam on January 27, 2007, 10:28:59 AM
Desmond wasn't playing dressup with Kelvin. He smashed Kelvin's head (accidentally) about as hard as he could. Your head isn't meant to bleed that freely.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Sunflower on January 27, 2007, 01:35:46 PM
DEAD
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: snowyjoe on January 27, 2007, 10:46:02 PM
how can you accidentally smash someone as hard as you can..?

seriously.... he is alive..i'm not joking...ok i have friends that are in touch with the lost creators....ok beleive me...
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: BobBX542 on January 29, 2007, 10:49:04 AM
You know what I find funny, everytime a serious arguement starts between people about the show, the person that seem to get angry...

look... face it, ok?

all desmond did was tackle him to the rocky ground... maybe cut his head open and deeply knocked him out... patchy mc creep walks by and gets him back to the flame hatch...ok?

now if that doesn't make sense..... get a life....

Always seems to know someone who works on LOST

how can you accidentally smash someone as hard as you can..?

seriously.... he is alive..i'm not joking...ok i have friends that are in touch with the lost creators....ok beleive me...

Anyway SJ, if you watch that again, you can clearly see Desmond tackle him, then after he get's on top of him, he grabs his head and smashes it on the ground, then he notices that he killed him and checks the wound. So, as we were all saying...

Totally, 100%, undeniably dead. Until he shows up on the show again (which he won't, unless in flashbacks) there is no way to convince me. I know you're not trying to convince anyone, just throwing the opinion out there, but, you get what I'm saying....He's dead.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: jugdish on January 29, 2007, 10:51:50 AM
You know what I find funny, everytime a serious arguement starts between people about the show, the person that seem to get angry...

look... face it, ok?

all desmond did was tackle him to the rocky ground... maybe cut his head open and deeply knocked him out... patchy mc creep walks by and gets him back to the flame hatch...ok?

now if that doesn't make sense..... get a life....

Always seems to know someone who works on LOST

how can you accidentally smash someone as hard as you can..?

seriously.... he is alive..i'm not joking...ok i have friends that are in touch with the lost creators....ok beleive me...

Anyway SJ, if you watch that again, you can clearly see Desmond tackle him, then after he get's on top of him, he grabs his head and smashes it on the ground, then he notices that he killed him and checks the wound. So, as we were all saying...

Totally, 100%, undeniably dead. Until he shows up on the show again (which he won't, unless in flashbacks) there is no way to convince me. I know you're not trying to convince anyone, just throwing the opinion out there, but, you get what I'm saying....He's dead.

Well stated hard to argue any of that logic. Kelvin is still dead.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: BobBX542 on January 29, 2007, 10:53:07 AM
Well said Jug, a dead man he is.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: JBRam on January 29, 2007, 05:24:52 PM
You know what I find funny, everytime a serious arguement starts between people about the show, the person that seem to get angry...

look... face it, ok?

all desmond did was tackle him to the rocky ground... maybe cut his head open and deeply knocked him out... patchy mc creep walks by and gets him back to the flame hatch...ok?

now if that doesn't make sense..... get a life....

Always seems to know someone who works on LOST

how can you accidentally smash someone as hard as you can..?

seriously.... he is alive..i'm not joking...ok i have friends that are in touch with the lost creators....ok beleive me...

Anyway SJ, if you watch that again, you can clearly see Desmond tackle him, then after he get's on top of him, he grabs his head and smashes it on the ground, then he notices that he killed him and checks the wound. So, as we were all saying...

Totally, 100%, undeniably dead. Until he shows up on the show again (which he won't, unless in flashbacks) there is no way to convince me. I know you're not trying to convince anyone, just throwing the opinion out there, but, you get what I'm saying....He's dead.

Well stated hard to argue any of that logic. Kelvin is still dead.
I agree completely, Juggy and Bob. No way anyone can convince me he's alive.

Same with Christian. Although we didn't watch him die, we know he did, and no one can convince me otherwise (until we see him alive)
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: jugdish on January 29, 2007, 05:25:45 PM
You are batting 50% on this one, not bad if you are a basketball player.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: snowyjoe on January 30, 2007, 02:51:40 AM
You know what I find funny, everytime a serious arguement starts between people about the show, the person that seem to get angry...

look... face it, ok?

all desmond did was tackle him to the rocky ground... maybe cut his head open and deeply knocked him out... patchy mc creep walks by and gets him back to the flame hatch...ok?

now if that doesn't make sense..... get a life....

Always seems to know someone who works on LOST

how can you accidentally smash someone as hard as you can..?

seriously.... he is alive..i'm not joking...ok i have friends that are in touch with the lost creators....ok beleive me...

Anyway SJ, if you watch that again, you can clearly see Desmond tackle him, then after he get's on top of him, he grabs his head and smashes it on the ground, then he notices that he killed him and checks the wound. So, as we were all saying...

Totally, 100%, undeniably dead. Until he shows up on the show again (which he won't, unless in flashbacks) there is no way to convince me. I know you're not trying to convince anyone, just throwing the opinion out there, but, you get what I'm saying....He's dead.

Well stated hard to argue any of that logic. Kelvin is still dead.
I agree completely, Juggy and Bob. No way anyone can convince me he's alive.

Same with Christian. Although we didn't watch him die, we know he did, and no one can convince me otherwise (until we see him alive)

like i said about the Hurleys psychiatrist thing.. just you wait 'enry 'iggins just you wait...

lol...another thing... i dont really have friends who know the lost people, lol..... fooled ya!
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: BobBX542 on January 30, 2007, 10:24:34 AM
lol...another thing... i dont really have friends who know the lost people, lol..... fooled ya!

No you didn't, hene the point of my little jab.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: goober on January 30, 2007, 03:56:49 PM
I like tartar sauce....


and horsies....

and the color blue  :P


I don't see evidence of a "smashed skull". I see des pulling away his bloody hand though. Since there is quite a large blood supply to the head (it is the major region of body heat loss) it is no surprise that there is a large amount of blood associated with a head wound (even a minor break in the skin). Thus I am loathe to say that he is definitively dead.

However..... I'm not entirely certain that he is still alive either. In the beginning I thought he was. Later I thought he wasn't. Now I'm on the fence and boy does my rectum hurt  ::)
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: JBRam on January 30, 2007, 04:00:17 PM
I don't see evidence of a "smashed skull". I see des pulling away his bloody hand though. Since there is quite a large blood supply to the head (it is the major region of body heat loss) it is no surprise that there is a large amount of blood associated with a head wound (even a minor break in the skin). Thus I am loathe to say that he is definitively dead.

However..... I'm not entirely certain that he is still alive either. In the beginning I thought he was. Later I thought he wasn't. Now I'm on the fence and boy does my rectum hurt  ::)
Think about the region of the head that was "smacked" against the rocks. The brain has less protection at that point than many others. It is also the part of the brain that controls major functions, such as your heartbeat. If you smackde your head hard enough to lose that much blood, be knocked "unconscious" and basically make your head roll, you'd be dead automatically.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: PrincessLeia on January 30, 2007, 04:03:57 PM
I don't see evidence of a "smashed skull". I see des pulling away his bloody hand though. Since there is quite a large blood supply to the head (it is the major region of body heat loss) it is no surprise that there is a large amount of blood associated with a head wound (even a minor break in the skin). Thus I am loathe to say that he is definitively dead.

However..... I'm not entirely certain that he is still alive either. In the beginning I thought he was. Later I thought he wasn't. Now I'm on the fence and boy does my rectum hurt  ::)
Think about the region of the head that was "smacked" against the rocks. The brain has less protection at that point than many others. It is also the part of the brain that controls major functions, such as your heartbeat. If you smackde your head hard enough to lose that much blood, be knocked "unconscious" and basically make your head roll, you'd be dead automatically.
JB...goober knows his stuff.   :)

So...no gray matter, huh?  :-\

Yes...my butt's still sore from my fence sitting about Christian. :-[  Not on the fence on this one....I say dead.  :)
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: JBRam on January 30, 2007, 04:05:03 PM
I don't see evidence of a "smashed skull". I see des pulling away his bloody hand though. Since there is quite a large blood supply to the head (it is the major region of body heat loss) it is no surprise that there is a large amount of blood associated with a head wound (even a minor break in the skin). Thus I am loathe to say that he is definitively dead.

However..... I'm not entirely certain that he is still alive either. In the beginning I thought he was. Later I thought he wasn't. Now I'm on the fence and boy does my rectum hurt  ::)
Think about the region of the head that was "smacked" against the rocks. The brain has less protection at that point than many others. It is also the part of the brain that controls major functions, such as your heartbeat. If you smackde your head hard enough to lose that much blood, be knocked "unconscious" and basically make your head roll, you'd be dead automatically.
JB...goober knows his stuff.   :)

So...no gray matter, huh?  :-\

Yes...my butt's still sore from my fence sitting about Christian. :-[  Not on the fence on this one....I say dead.  :)
I avoid the fence as much as possible. Of course, I like building fences and hopping over them (Others are GOOD, I tell ya!)
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: PrincessLeia on January 30, 2007, 04:06:49 PM
NOOO!!!!  lol  Juggy!  Rescue me!  :D
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: KateReallyLovesJack on January 31, 2007, 07:11:52 PM
So 41 pages... uh, I just have one question that was probably addressed in the previous 41 pages (wow  :o) but I certainly couldn't read that much.
For the people who believe that Kelvin is still alive, why wouldn't he have taken the boat when he woke up? It doesn't make much sense - he has spent a lot of time working on it and said that it's only about a week away from being done. So you wake up after a brutal attack, find yourself severely injured, nurse your concussion for 1-5 weeks then finish working on the boat and get the hell of the island right? Wrong. From the time Des knocks Kelvin out to the time Des runs away from the hatch to his boat, 45 days go by. If Kelvin has been alive this whole time, what has he been doing? 45 days in more than enough time to do a weeks work even for an injured person. So why not take the boat and try to leave as oppose to staying on the island?
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Sunflower on January 31, 2007, 08:29:02 PM
See, that's the thing tho.  He is DEAD.  Des probably buried him or disposed of him. 
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: jugdish on January 31, 2007, 08:38:57 PM
I don't see evidence of a "smashed skull". I see des pulling away his bloody hand though. Since there is quite a large blood supply to the head (it is the major region of body heat loss) it is no surprise that there is a large amount of blood associated with a head wound (even a minor break in the skin). Thus I am loathe to say that he is definitively dead.

However..... I'm not entirely certain that he is still alive either. In the beginning I thought he was. Later I thought he wasn't. Now I'm on the fence and boy does my rectum hurt  ::)
Think about the region of the head that was "smacked" against the rocks. The brain has less protection at that point than many others. It is also the part of the brain that controls major functions, such as your heartbeat. If you smackde your head hard enough to lose that much blood, be knocked "unconscious" and basically make your head roll, you'd be dead automatically.

I believe he is dead. Always have. But JB you are really making a lot of assumption and leaps of knowledge with this arguement. We don't know that much about the injury to make all of your conclusions.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: jugdish on January 31, 2007, 08:40:08 PM
So 41 pages... uh, I just have one question that was probably addressed in the previous 41 pages (wow  :o) but I certainly couldn't read that much.
For the people who believe that Kelvin is still alive, why wouldn't he have taken the boat when he woke up? It doesn't make much sense - he has spent a lot of time working on it and said that it's only about a week away from being done. So you wake up after a brutal attack, find yourself severely injured, nurse your concussion for 1-5 weeks then finish working on the boat and get the hell of the island right? Wrong. From the time Des knocks Kelvin out to the time Des runs away from the hatch to his boat, 45 days go by. If Kelvin has been alive this whole time, what has he been doing? 45 days in more than enough time to do a weeks work even for an injured person. So why not take the boat and try to leave as oppose to staying on the island?

Now JB this is a legitimate arguement that holds some water. I do not believe these questions have been asked and they lead to a very solid conclusion that he is dead and is fish or bear food.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: goober on January 31, 2007, 08:42:24 PM
or bear poop.....  ;D
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: jugdish on January 31, 2007, 08:43:49 PM
Started as bear food ended as bear poop. Still dead.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: JBRam on January 31, 2007, 11:20:27 PM
So 41 pages... uh, I just have one question that was probably addressed in the previous 41 pages (wow  :o) but I certainly couldn't read that much.
For the people who believe that Kelvin is still alive, why wouldn't he have taken the boat when he woke up? It doesn't make much sense - he has spent a lot of time working on it and said that it's only about a week away from being done. So you wake up after a brutal attack, find yourself severely injured, nurse your concussion for 1-5 weeks then finish working on the boat and get the hell of the island right? Wrong. From the time Des knocks Kelvin out to the time Des runs away from the hatch to his boat, 45 days go by. If Kelvin has been alive this whole time, what has he been doing? 45 days in more than enough time to do a weeks work even for an injured person. So why not take the boat and try to leave as oppose to staying on the island?
Very good question! Now someone explain this to me, cause he was all set to leave right then!
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Sunflower on February 01, 2007, 12:05:34 AM
Well, her argument prooves he is dead.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: KateReallyLovesJack on February 01, 2007, 12:27:54 AM
JB - by 'right now' do you mean when Desmond caught him? Because at that point Kelvin says that he is about a week away from having the boat finished.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: PrincessLeia on February 01, 2007, 02:09:50 AM
So 41 pages... uh, I just have one question that was probably addressed in the previous 41 pages (wow  :o) but I certainly couldn't read that much.
For the people who believe that Kelvin is still alive, why wouldn't he have taken the boat when he woke up? It doesn't make much sense - he has spent a lot of time working on it and said that it's only about a week away from being done. So you wake up after a brutal attack, find yourself severely injured, nurse your concussion for 1-5 weeks then finish working on the boat and get the hell of the island right? Wrong. From the time Des knocks Kelvin out to the time Des runs away from the hatch to his boat, 45 days go by. If Kelvin has been alive this whole time, what has he been doing? 45 days in more than enough time to do a weeks work even for an injured person. So why not take the boat and try to leave as oppose to staying on the island?
Great post.  Last nail in the coffin.  :)
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: snowyjoe on February 01, 2007, 03:01:23 AM
I like tartar sauce....


and horsies....

and the color blue  :P


I don't see evidence of a "smashed skull". I see des pulling away his bloody hand though. Since there is quite a large blood supply to the head (it is the major region of body heat loss) it is no surprise that there is a large amount of blood associated with a head wound (even a minor break in the skin). Thus I am loathe to say that he is definitively dead.

However..... I'm not entirely certain that he is still alive either. In the beginning I thought he was. Later I thought he wasn't. Now I'm on the fence and boy does my rectum hurt  ::)

see what i mean...? gosh you guys.. when you have your mind on something you just wont budge... youre as stubbon as my mum...
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: BobBX542 on February 01, 2007, 09:20:20 AM
So 41 pages... uh, I just have one question that was probably addressed in the previous 41 pages (wow  :o) but I certainly couldn't read that much.
For the people who believe that Kelvin is still alive, why wouldn't he have taken the boat when he woke up? It doesn't make much sense - he has spent a lot of time working on it and said that it's only about a week away from being done. So you wake up after a brutal attack, find yourself severely injured, nurse your concussion for 1-5 weeks then finish working on the boat and get the hell of the island right? Wrong. From the time Des knocks Kelvin out to the time Des runs away from the hatch to his boat, 45 days go by. If Kelvin has been alive this whole time, what has he been doing? 45 days in more than enough time to do a weeks work even for an injured person. So why not take the boat and try to leave as oppose to staying on the island?

KRLJ- I actually hit on that on like, page 10 or something. I said almost the same thing as well. This is a point of contention with alot of people because they thought that The Others had taken the boat and the body. This was before we knew that Desmond had taken the boat and was attempting to sail home. Peronally, I think that Desmond may have pushed Kelvin into the water while he was going to the boat, or, the water came up and swept him away like the wreckage.

In other words, Kelvin, totally dead.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: jugdish on February 01, 2007, 09:25:25 AM
So 41 pages... uh, I just have one question that was probably addressed in the previous 41 pages (wow  :o) but I certainly couldn't read that much.
For the people who believe that Kelvin is still alive, why wouldn't he have taken the boat when he woke up? It doesn't make much sense - he has spent a lot of time working on it and said that it's only about a week away from being done. So you wake up after a brutal attack, find yourself severely injured, nurse your concussion for 1-5 weeks then finish working on the boat and get the hell of the island right? Wrong. From the time Des knocks Kelvin out to the time Des runs away from the hatch to his boat, 45 days go by. If Kelvin has been alive this whole time, what has he been doing? 45 days in more than enough time to do a weeks work even for an injured person. So why not take the boat and try to leave as oppose to staying on the island?
Very good question! Now someone explain this to me, cause he was all set to leave right then!

Kelvin said he had a week of work on the boat before he was to leave.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: jugdish on February 01, 2007, 09:26:13 AM
So 41 pages... uh, I just have one question that was probably addressed in the previous 41 pages (wow  :o) but I certainly couldn't read that much.
For the people who believe that Kelvin is still alive, why wouldn't he have taken the boat when he woke up? It doesn't make much sense - he has spent a lot of time working on it and said that it's only about a week away from being done. So you wake up after a brutal attack, find yourself severely injured, nurse your concussion for 1-5 weeks then finish working on the boat and get the hell of the island right? Wrong. From the time Des knocks Kelvin out to the time Des runs away from the hatch to his boat, 45 days go by. If Kelvin has been alive this whole time, what has he been doing? 45 days in more than enough time to do a weeks work even for an injured person. So why not take the boat and try to leave as oppose to staying on the island?

KRLJ- I actually hit on that on like, page 10 or something. I said almost the same thing as well. This is a point of contention with alot of people because they thought that The Others had taken the boat and the body. This was before we knew that Desmond had taken the boat and was attempting to sail home. Peronally, I think that Desmond may have pushed Kelvin into the water while he was going to the boat, or, the water came up and swept him away like the wreckage.

In other words, Kelvin, totally dead.

Many reasons why the body would not still be there and reasonable ones at that. The tide, animals or desmond himslef.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: PrincessLeia on February 01, 2007, 03:33:18 PM
So 41 pages... uh, I just have one question that was probably addressed in the previous 41 pages (wow  :o) but I certainly couldn't read that much.
For the people who believe that Kelvin is still alive, why wouldn't he have taken the boat when he woke up? It doesn't make much sense - he has spent a lot of time working on it and said that it's only about a week away from being done. So you wake up after a brutal attack, find yourself severely injured, nurse your concussion for 1-5 weeks then finish working on the boat and get the hell of the island right? Wrong. From the time Des knocks Kelvin out to the time Des runs away from the hatch to his boat, 45 days go by. If Kelvin has been alive this whole time, what has he been doing? 45 days in more than enough time to do a weeks work even for an injured person. So why not take the boat and try to leave as oppose to staying on the island?

KRLJ- I actually hit on that on like, page 10 or something. I said almost the same thing as well. This is a point of contention with alot of people because they thought that The Others had taken the boat and the body. This was before we knew that Desmond had taken the boat and was attempting to sail home. Peronally, I think that Desmond may have pushed Kelvin into the water while he was going to the boat, or, the water came up and swept him away like the wreckage.

In other words, Kelvin, totally dead.
ok...I knew this sounded a little familiar, but I, too, was too lazy to read through 41 pages.  lol  Good call, guys.  :)  DEAD.  :)
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: KateReallyLovesJack on February 01, 2007, 04:02:52 PM
thanks guys and glad we agree Bob!
Thats why I like going over some of these older posts right now... there were so many questions back then that couldn't be answered but now, with a bit more info, you can come to a semi-reasonable conclusion!
Good to know that others think he's a goner too.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: JBRam on February 02, 2007, 10:39:06 AM
JB - by 'right now' do you mean when Desmond caught him? Because at that point Kelvin says that he is about a week away from having the boat finished.
Ok, then he had plenty of time to finish... no one even found Des until about a month after they got there. Kelvin would have been long gone. And he wasn't waiting to take Des with him, nor was he captured by the OTHERs cause they would have found the boat. He wanted OFF the island, so he wouldn't have gone exploring any more.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Desmond8MyPopRocks on February 02, 2007, 09:20:30 PM
Kelvin---->  still alive   ;D

cheers
*Des8
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: snowyjoe on February 02, 2007, 09:26:04 PM
i admire des8.... thankyou des... you are a true lostie...
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: KateReallyLovesJack on February 02, 2007, 09:57:57 PM
Des8, feel free to defend your position here...
Because Kelvin ------> fish food!  :P :P
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: snowyjoe on February 02, 2007, 10:00:18 PM
look.. the producers said that anyone whose dead is dead.... what if kelvin and christian didn't really die at all...??? think bout it
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: KateReallyLovesJack on February 02, 2007, 10:01:29 PM
Well, I'm split - I think Christian is alive and Kelvin is dead
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: snowyjoe on February 02, 2007, 10:02:48 PM
kelvin's alive i can see it in his eyes....WTH?
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: PrincessLeia on February 02, 2007, 10:03:37 PM
Well, I'm split - I think Christian is alive and Kelvin is dead
You're my new best friend!   :)  I agree.  :)
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: KateReallyLovesJack on February 02, 2007, 10:05:41 PM
kelvin's alive i can see it in his eyes....WTH?

I don't get it....
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Post by: snowyjoe on February 02, 2007, 10:07:47 PM
i didn't get it either... lol i say all sorts of things i dont get...lol
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Post by: KateReallyLovesJack on February 02, 2007, 10:12:22 PM
oooohhhh....
So it didn't go straight over my head...
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Post by: snowyjoe on February 02, 2007, 10:12:47 PM
no...
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: KateReallyLovesJack on February 02, 2007, 11:56:30 PM
Well, I'm split - I think Christian is alive and Kelvin is dead
You're my new best friend!   :)  I agree.  :)

Glad you agree! My roommate (and almost everyone I know) thinks that it is the other way around...
We'll show 'em! lol
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Sunflower on February 03, 2007, 01:51:02 AM
If one of the two are alive then I am sure it would be Christian...Juggy says so :D
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: KateReallyLovesJack on February 03, 2007, 02:02:13 AM
Reason enough right there, eh?
I hopped on that bandwagon a while back after a lot of flip-flopping. Then, I just say enough, and took a stand. Here's hoping!
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: jugdish on February 03, 2007, 02:05:39 AM
I am with you guys, Christian lives, Kelvin is bear food.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: KateReallyLovesJack on February 03, 2007, 02:09:49 AM
Unless the bear got there first, I'm thinking Des pushed Kelvin into the water at the same time as his boat, so fish food maybe?  :)
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: jugdish on February 03, 2007, 02:16:08 AM
I'm fine with either version, dead is the bottom lines
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: KateReallyLovesJack on February 03, 2007, 02:28:10 AM
If he's not dead, TPTB had better have a damn good story as to what he was doing for 45 days (and that was just up until Desmond left the hatch and took the boat) when the only thing he had wanted prior to that was to get off the island. The boat was right there and almost finished.
He's gotta be dead...
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: JBRam on February 05, 2007, 06:01:23 PM
If he's not dead, TPTB had better have a damn good story as to what he was doing for 45 days (and that was just up until Desmond left the hatch and took the boat) when the only thing he had wanted prior to that was to get off the island. The boat was right there and almost finished.
He's gotta be dead...
Exactly, Jo. He is dead.

Of course, I'm pretty sure that Christian is dead too, just not as sure.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: LostGirlDeb on February 05, 2007, 06:03:00 PM
I am with you guys, Christian lives, Kelvin is bear food.

DITTO!!
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: KateReallyLovesJack on February 05, 2007, 06:42:42 PM
Hey JB - I had been on the fence for a long time on the Christian dead/alive issue and then a while back I just said to myself, PICK ONE! So I'm leaning towards christian alive, kelvin dead.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: JBRam on February 05, 2007, 09:05:09 PM
Hey JB - I had been on the fence for a long time on the Christian dead/alive issue and then a while back I just said to myself, PICK ONE! So I'm leaning towards christian alive, kelvin dead.
I had a pretty good anti-Christian-lives post somewhere... let me find it...

Here we are...

http://lost.cubit.net/forum/index.php/topic,3063.msg182677.html#msg182677
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: snowyjoe on February 06, 2007, 05:28:44 AM
there is something about this matter that will turn the tables.... but i will tell you later...
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Cardacct on April 25, 2007, 02:58:29 AM
Restating just for kicks: Kelvin is alive.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: snowyjoe on April 25, 2007, 05:43:40 AM
its the truth.... i know it..


sorta.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: BobBX542 on April 25, 2007, 09:45:33 AM
Man, I knew I was right about Christian, but I never thought that I would be able to be right about 2 people being dead.

Kelvin, totally dead.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: jugdish on April 25, 2007, 09:51:45 AM
I would say that the comments the producers have made a couple of times show that Kelvin is dead.

Which I always thought
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: BobBX542 on April 25, 2007, 09:55:09 AM
I would say that the comments the producers have made a couple of times show that Kelvin is dead.

Which I always thought

Like I said before Jug, keep an eye on these posts, if I'm wrong my favorite colors are purple green and gold.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: jugdish on April 25, 2007, 09:56:48 AM
I would say that the comments the producers have made a couple of times show that Kelvin is dead.

Which I always thought

Like I said before Jug, keep an eye on these posts, if I'm wrong my favorite colors are purple green and gold.

But we agree on this one, so if you are wrong then I am wrong.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: BobBX542 on April 25, 2007, 10:20:35 AM
I would say that the comments the producers have made a couple of times show that Kelvin is dead.

Which I always thought

Like I said before Jug, keep an eye on these posts, if I'm wrong my favorite colors are purple green and gold.

But we agree on this one, so if you are wrong then I am wrong.

Man, you're no fun sometimes.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: JBRam on April 25, 2007, 04:18:59 PM
If Christian is dead (which he is) then Kelvin is dead!
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Sunflower on April 25, 2007, 06:37:22 PM
psssst...Kelvin is DEAD
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Geronimo Jackson on April 26, 2007, 01:25:31 PM
If Patchy can come back why not kelvin
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: JBRam on April 26, 2007, 10:31:57 PM
Patchy didn't die.

Kelvin did.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Desmond8MyPopRocks on April 28, 2007, 05:40:15 PM
Kelvin/Joe Inman is alive.  mark my words.

cheers
*Des8
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Sunflower on April 29, 2007, 08:29:46 PM
Des is skeering me!  So the Island healed him of his wound?
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: jugdish on April 29, 2007, 09:06:13 PM
Hate to say this, really do.

But JB is right and Des is wrong.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: snowyjoe on April 30, 2007, 04:20:17 AM
JUGGY!!!
how could you...



KELVIN IS ALIVE!!
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: JBRam on April 30, 2007, 08:09:49 PM
Hate to say this, really do.

But JB is right and Des is wrong.
(Yesss.....) :D
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Desmond8MyPopRocks on May 01, 2007, 04:27:21 AM
OK class, I hope all of you are wearing your school clothes because you're going to be tested on this:

KELVIN/JOE INMAN IS ALIVE.

I know GJ will pass her test with grace and ease, as usual.  Juggie, don't disappoint me, fish biscuit.  Kelvin is alive, baby.

cheers brothah
*Des8
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: BobBX542 on May 01, 2007, 08:57:49 AM
OK class, I hope all of you are wearing your school clothes because you're going to be tested on this:

KELVIN/JOE INMAN IS ALIVE.

I know GJ will pass her test with grace and ease, as usual.  Juggie, don't disappoint me, fish biscuit.  Kelvin is alive, baby.

cheers brothah
*Des8

But if we put that down on the test, we'll fail, because Kelvin is dead.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: goober on May 01, 2007, 09:44:21 AM
I passed my Urine test.

I didn't even study....
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Geronimo Jackson on May 01, 2007, 01:22:01 PM
Okay I had kelvin dead since way back when changing my vote kelvin is alive and he will be back before season is over.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: jugdish on May 01, 2007, 01:23:26 PM
WHy GJ, WHY??
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Geronimo Jackson on May 01, 2007, 01:25:04 PM
WHy GJ, WHY??

uh
Spoiler
spolier info
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: JBRam on May 01, 2007, 02:43:43 PM
Kelvin has been dead for a good long time. We will not see a living Kelvin walking amongst the Losties before the season is out. It just isn't gonna happen.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: BobBX542 on May 01, 2007, 03:11:11 PM
Okay I had kelvin dead since way back when changing my vote kelvin is alive and he will be back before season is over.

In a flashback, sure, but for him to be back on the island in the present time of the survivors would require him to be brought back from the dead because he's, oh, well, dead.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Cardacct on May 11, 2007, 06:10:58 PM
Okay I had kelvin dead since way back when changing my vote kelvin is alive and he will be back before season is over.

In a flashback, sure, but for him to be back on the island in the present time of the survivors would require him to be brought back from the dead because he's, oh, well, dead.

No way.  He totally lived after that encounter with Desmond and his head hitting on the rocks.  He may currently be dead, but it wasn't death by Desmond.  Mark my words, I'm with GJ and Des8 on this one.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: JBRam on May 12, 2007, 01:41:44 AM
He's dead.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: BobBX542 on May 14, 2007, 10:44:25 AM
Okay I had kelvin dead since way back when changing my vote kelvin is alive and he will be back before season is over.

In a flashback, sure, but for him to be back on the island in the present time of the survivors would require him to be brought back from the dead because he's, oh, well, dead.

No way.  He totally lived after that encounter with Desmond and his head hitting on the rocks.  He may currently be dead, but it wasn't death by Desmond.  Mark my words, I'm with GJ and Des8 on this one.

I hope when you say...

"He totally lived after that encounter with Desmond and his head hitting on the rocks"

...you're talking about some other thing on the show that we don't know about, like an intense game of "catch the heavy rock", because if you're talking about when Desmond chased him, and tackled him on the rocks, he totally died there.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Desmond8MyPopRocks on May 23, 2007, 04:47:29 AM
Happy LOST-eve, and Kelvin/Joe Inman is still alive  ;D

catch you on the flip side
cheers
*Des8
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: JBRam on May 24, 2007, 10:02:39 PM
He's dead, Des8! :D
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: snowyjoe on May 25, 2007, 04:29:20 AM
*insert locke voice here* KELVIN IS ALIVE AND WE ALL KNOW IT!!
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: BobBX542 on May 25, 2007, 12:51:04 PM
Dead
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: snowyjoe on May 26, 2007, 01:20:38 AM
ohhh.....

he is not...
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: scrod on May 26, 2007, 01:23:19 AM
OMFG can we fricken stop ALREADY!!!
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: snowyjoe on May 26, 2007, 01:24:29 AM
we will .... only when kelvin is found alive though,...  ;D
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: JBRam on May 26, 2007, 02:35:49 AM
sigh.... you're almost worse than puffy.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: BobBX542 on May 26, 2007, 12:12:08 PM
OMFG can we fricken stop ALREADY!!!

we will .... only when kelvin is found alive though,...  ;D

Then the answer is no, we can not stop, because he's dead.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: demra on May 26, 2007, 09:58:38 PM
Page 46 and  Kelvin is still Dead  LOL 

Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: JBRam on May 26, 2007, 10:02:51 PM
Page 46 and  Kelvin is still Dead  LOL 
LOL Yes he is!
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: demra on May 26, 2007, 10:07:27 PM
Ahhhhhhhhhhh    the more things change the more they stay the same 

LOL

Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: snowyjoe on May 27, 2007, 01:12:02 AM
DEMRA??? the king has returned no?





































Kelvin=Alive.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: JBRam on May 27, 2007, 01:13:15 AM
DEMRA??? the king has returned no?

Kelvin=Alive.
I disagree. :D And so do TPTB, they just haven't said so.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: snowyjoe on May 27, 2007, 01:14:15 AM
what.. that demra returned?
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: JBRam on May 27, 2007, 01:15:53 AM
Nahh... that other thing. You know, the blatant lie?
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: snowyjoe on May 27, 2007, 01:16:51 AM
oh....


you mean...

















THE BLEEDING OBVIOUS!!!
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: JBRam on May 27, 2007, 01:19:41 AM
The Kelvin is dead thing that Demra and I said... yup how can you get more obvious than blood pooling out the back of your head? :D
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: snowyjoe on May 27, 2007, 01:21:40 AM
hmmmm.. give me time.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: BobBX542 on May 29, 2007, 11:18:55 AM
hmmmm.. give me time.

TIME'S UP PUNK!! He's dead as a rock. A dead rock.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: PrincessLeia on May 29, 2007, 01:56:00 PM
hmmmm.. give me time.

TIME'S UP PUNK!! He's dead as a rock. A dead rock.
rofl  Post of the day. ;D
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: BobBX542 on May 29, 2007, 03:16:47 PM
hmmmm.. give me time.

TIME'S UP PUNK!! He's dead as a rock. A dead rock.
rofl  Post of the day. ;D

Thank you Leia. You always make me feel good about myself.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: PrincessLeia on May 29, 2007, 03:25:09 PM
hmmmm.. give me time.

TIME'S UP PUNK!! He's dead as a rock. A dead rock.
rofl  Post of the day. ;D

Thank you Leia. You always make me feel good about myself.
:D  Someone else besides your Momma loves you.   ;D
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: snowyjoe on May 30, 2007, 03:49:33 AM
lol..
i'm sorry i wasn't on time.. but being in grade 11 only gives you limited amounts of time for having fun,...


so here it is...


the head can bleed alot... i mean.. my nephew got a little nitch on his noggin and .. well... it bled and looked really bad... so there... the blood coming out.. solved!

and to be truthful.. when desmond knocked kelvin down.. it wasn't that bad a tackle.. i should know this... i'm an aussie... it could have just knocked kelvin out for a while... so sorry.. but i'm sticking by that explanation...

i am also going over season 2.. so i'll try and look at kelvins apparent 'death' scene again.. so i can come up with more pointers...


so there...

but pl is right..
post of the day...
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: JBRam on May 30, 2007, 01:41:01 PM
Unless Kelvin is Mikhail, Kelvin is dead. And even then, Mikhail is dead, so who cares?
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: snowyjoe on May 31, 2007, 05:18:28 AM
look... KELVIN=ALIVE!!!

kelvin... switch some letters.. and minus the k and n.. LIVE!!

he just has to be alive...
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: BobBX542 on May 31, 2007, 09:19:19 AM
look... KELVIN=ALIVE!!!

kelvin... switch some letters.. and minus the k and n.. LIVE!!

he just has to be alive...

Kelvin=Alive if, and only if Alive=Dead, because Kelvin is dead.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: JBRam on May 31, 2007, 01:45:47 PM
And if Alive=Dead, then we're all screwed.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: PrincessLeia on May 31, 2007, 01:59:09 PM
Can we say......gray matter on the rock, sj?  Good!  I knew you could do it! :)
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: BobBX542 on May 31, 2007, 03:12:05 PM
And if Alive=Dead, then we're all screwed.

True that. I never put that together. Which means, I might already be dead, and this is a re-run.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: JBRam on May 31, 2007, 07:11:22 PM
And if Alive=Dead, then we're all screwed.

True that. I never put that together. Which means, I might already be dead, and this is a re-run.
Nah, we're just from the future. :D :D
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Geronimo Jackson on May 31, 2007, 08:37:15 PM
dead heard be back for finale so back to being dead
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: snowyjoe on June 01, 2007, 03:30:15 AM
AAAAALLLLLIIIIIVVVVVVEEEEE
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: BobBX542 on June 01, 2007, 10:13:19 AM
AAAAALLLLLIIIIIVVVVVVEEEEE


D-E-D
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: PrincessLeia on June 01, 2007, 12:53:48 PM
You know?  This thread is almost as entertaining as "Come Again."  :D
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: BobBX542 on June 01, 2007, 05:03:53 PM
You know?  This thread is almost as entertaining as "Come Again."  :D

It's the blatant denial on the part of the people that think Kelvin is alive that makes it so funny.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Cardacct on June 29, 2007, 04:35:55 PM
Bob - Kelvin is SO alive.  SO alive.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: PrincessLeia on June 29, 2007, 04:52:29 PM
Where's Demra? :-\
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Cardacct on June 29, 2007, 05:05:47 PM
Oh yeah.  Demra *sigh*
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: PrincessLeia on June 29, 2007, 05:09:43 PM
I want him to come on here & tell you that Kelvin's dead!  LOL
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: nikarro on June 30, 2007, 12:03:51 PM
I dont like him.  I dont like the actor who plays him.  I dont like the name Kelvin. 

Let us hope he is dead.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: PrincessLeia on June 30, 2007, 04:25:34 PM
I dont like him.  I dont like the actor who plays him.  I dont like the name Kelvin. 

Let us hope he is dead.
ROFL  That pretty well sums it up for me too! ;D
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: LostAndSeek on June 30, 2007, 04:40:34 PM
I dont like him.  I dont like the actor who plays him.  I dont like the name Kelvin. 

Let us hope he is dead.
ROFL  That pretty well sums it up for me too! ;D

This was probably discussed long ago, but I haven't seen it. Does anyone think there may be two Inmans? One named Joe and one named Kelvin?
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: PrincessLeia on June 30, 2007, 04:45:25 PM
It probably has been discussed, but my 1st thought is that I feel Kelvin pretty well included the "Joe" portion of his life story to Des.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: snowyjoe on June 30, 2007, 09:58:13 PM
It probably has been discussed, but my 1st thought is that I feel Kelvin pretty well included the "Joe" portion of his life story to Des.

was that aimed at me?
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: PrincessLeia on July 01, 2007, 01:41:41 AM
It probably has been discussed, but my 1st thought is that I feel Kelvin pretty well included the "Joe" portion of his life story to Des.

was that aimed at me?
Is that the core issue for you, sj?  You just can't come to grips with the fact that someone named "Joe" died on the show? ??? ::) :)
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: snowyjoe on July 01, 2007, 02:22:15 AM
:( .... yes... its true... i mean.. joe is an important name.. especially back in egypt...

KELVIN= ALIVE!!

must i say it again??
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: LostAndSeek on July 01, 2007, 12:04:44 PM
It probably has been discussed, but my 1st thought is that I feel Kelvin pretty well included the "Joe" portion of his life story to Des.

Well, the only thing I remember along these lines was a comment that he left the service because people followed his orders. We're supposed to associate that with his coercing Sayid into torturing people, but it's pretty vague. Was there something else you remember?

With all the twin buzz, you gotta figure there'll be some set of twins in the show and a lookalike brother not only explains the difference in names, but also the timing discrepancy. Joe can be in Iraq in '91 and Kelvin can be on the island working for Dharma.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: BobBX542 on July 02, 2007, 11:41:48 AM
It probably has been discussed, but my 1st thought is that I feel Kelvin pretty well included the "Joe" portion of his life story to Des.

Well, the only thing I remember along these lines was a comment that he left the service because people followed his orders. We're supposed to associate that with his coercing Sayid into torturing people, but it's pretty vague. Was there something else you remember?

With all the twin buzz, you gotta figure there'll be some set of twins in the show and a lookalike brother not only explains the difference in names, but also the timing discrepancy. Joe can be in Iraq in '91 and Kelvin can be on the island working for Dharma.


I don't see the timing problem. If Joe/Kelvin was in the CIA for ten years (1991-2001) he could have been working for Dharma from 2001-2004. I'm just trying to pull this stuff from memory, so if that's wrong don't hesitate to correct me.

I dont like him.  I dont like the actor who plays him.  I dont like the name Kelvin. 

Let us hope he is dead.

No need to hope, he is dead.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: nikarro on July 02, 2007, 11:45:36 AM
YAY!  And heck, even if he is a TWIN, hopefully Joe is dead too
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: LostAndSeek on July 02, 2007, 12:17:18 PM


I don't see the timing problem. If Joe/Kelvin was in the CIA for ten years (1991-2001) he could have been working for Dharma from 2001-2004. I'm just trying to pull this stuff from memory, so if that's wrong don't hesitate to correct me.


Presumably Dharma has been cut off from the island since the coup, c. 1988, yes?
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: BobBX542 on July 02, 2007, 12:53:38 PM


I don't see the timing problem. If Joe/Kelvin was in the CIA for ten years (1991-2001) he could have been working for Dharma from 2001-2004. I'm just trying to pull this stuff from memory, so if that's wrong don't hesitate to correct me.


Presumably Dharma has been cut off from the island since the coup, c. 1988, yes?


Duh, my bad.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Cardacct on July 02, 2007, 02:24:22 PM


I don't see the timing problem. If Joe/Kelvin was in the CIA for ten years (1991-2001) he could have been working for Dharma from 2001-2004. I'm just trying to pull this stuff from memory, so if that's wrong don't hesitate to correct me.


Presumably Dharma has been cut off from the island since the coup, c. 1988, yes?


Duh, my bad.

Who said that he worked for Dharma?  He could have been an Other.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: nikarro on July 02, 2007, 02:41:08 PM


I don't see the timing problem. If Joe/Kelvin was in the CIA for ten years (1991-2001) he could have been working for Dharma from 2001-2004. I'm just trying to pull this stuff from memory, so if that's wrong don't hesitate to correct me.


Presumably Dharma has been cut off from the island since the coup, c. 1988, yes?


Duh, my bad.

Who said that he worked for Dharma?  He could have been an Other.


He could just be dead   :P
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Cardacct on July 02, 2007, 02:48:53 PM
He could just be dead   :P

He could be, but he's not.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: nikarro on July 02, 2007, 03:07:22 PM
Maybe not, that would be cool if he ended up being a "good" version of Patchy and he keeps coming back!
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: LostAndSeek on July 02, 2007, 04:37:55 PM


Who said that he worked for Dharma?  He could have been an Other.

Well Kelvin said so. And sure he could be lying, but why? And why would the Others leave him there alone for three years with Desmond?
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Cardacct on July 02, 2007, 08:29:20 PM


Who said that he worked for Dharma?  He could have been an Other.

Well Kelvin said so. And sure he could be lying, but why? And why would the Others leave him there alone for three years with Desmond?

Um, most of the Others pretended like they were Dharma.  Um, I'm sure that the people in the Looking Glass hatch had been there for a long time.  Don't ask me why the others do what they do... they just do!  Anyway, to me it fits that Kelvin was hiding the boat.  He wanted to leave.  That's my opinion.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: LostAndSeek on July 02, 2007, 10:10:15 PM

Um, most of the Others pretended like they were Dharma.  Um, I'm sure that the people in the Looking Glass hatch had been there for a long time.  Don't ask me why the others do what they do... they just do!  Anyway, to me it fits that Kelvin was hiding the boat.  He wanted to leave.  That's my opinion.

Well, I agree he wanted to leave. But I don't remember any Other except Mikhail lying about  being part of Dharma..... OTOH I forget a lot!!
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: BobBX542 on July 03, 2007, 12:45:23 PM
Wow! this turned into a rational conversation again. I am shocked.

I'm thinking that Kelvin wasn't like Richard or Mikhail only because he wasn't on the island that long, and it seems like the ones that have these extremely long life spans and healing "abilities" have been on the island for at least the 20 or 30 odd years that Ben has been there.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: LostAndSeek on July 03, 2007, 12:59:00 PM
Wow! this turned into a rational conversation again. I am shocked.

I'm thinking that Kelvin wasn't like Richard or Mikhail only because he wasn't on the island that long, and it seems like the ones that have these extremely long life spans and healing "abilities" have been on the island for at least the 20 or 30 odd years that Ben has been there.

Hmmm... We aren't sure how long Kelvin has been on the island, are we? I s'pose you need to be on the island for several years before you'd notice that longevity was kicking in, but Rose and Locke both received their health benefits immediately, didn't they?
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: BobBX542 on July 03, 2007, 04:56:50 PM

Hmmm... We aren't sure how long Kelvin has been on the island, are we? I s'pose you need to be on the island for several years before you'd notice that longevity was kicking in, but Rose and Locke both received their health benefits immediately, didn't they?


Right, but if you shoot Locke in the heart with a harpoon gun, I bet you he'll die.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Cardacct on July 03, 2007, 06:05:11 PM
I think that the point here is that it IS possible that Kelvin is alive.  I am on the alive boat.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: LostAndSeek on July 03, 2007, 09:10:12 PM

Right, but if you shoot Locke in the heart with a harpoon gun, I bet you he'll die.

So you're saying Mikhail is still alive 'cause he's been on the island a while. But an awful lot of Others have died... I think I've lost your line of reasoning.... Sorry
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: snowyjoe on July 04, 2007, 06:37:59 AM
kelvin is alive... i mean... he just is... do we need proof??
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Jordan on July 04, 2007, 08:12:01 PM
Kelvin will be seen again. (Well, that is my opinion)
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: pauinha6 on July 04, 2007, 10:04:22 PM
imvho, Kelvin his dead!!!!

btw, i think he was a Dharma who survived the purge.... like Mikail and others.... we never found out how many Dharma's survived!

anywhooooo kelvin = DEAD (just my op!)
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: BobBX542 on July 05, 2007, 09:35:21 AM
So you're saying Mikhail is still alive 'cause he's been on the island a while. But an awful lot of Others have died... I think I've lost your line of reasoning.... Sorry

No, that's understood. That comment I made was very general. But you have to keep in mind that there are Others that came from off the island, like Juliette. I doubt she's the only one. As stupid as this is going to sound, see if you can follow my twisted logic. I think the only Others that have died are the ones that came from off the island.

I'll say it like this just to make sure I actually make sense (even to myself) I don't think that the natives of the Mysterious island of Mystery can die. The island might have some sort of healing abilities, but the life extension aspect only applies to the natives.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: BobBX542 on July 05, 2007, 09:35:53 AM
And also, Kelvin is dead.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: LostAndSeek on July 05, 2007, 12:06:27 PM
So you're saying Mikhail is still alive 'cause he's been on the island a while. But an awful lot of Others have died... I think I've lost your line of reasoning.... Sorry

No, that's understood. That comment I made was very general. But you have to keep in mind that there are Others that came from off the island, like Juliette. I doubt she's the only one. As stupid as this is going to sound, see if you can follow my twisted logic. I think the only Others that have died are the ones that came from off the island.

I'll say it like this just to make sure I actually make sense (even to myself) I don't think that the natives of the Mysterious island of Mystery can die. The island might have some sort of healing abilities, but the life extension aspect only applies to the natives.

Um, but Mikhail came from off the island....
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: BobBX542 on July 05, 2007, 03:22:04 PM
So you're saying Mikhail is still alive 'cause he's been on the island a while. But an awful lot of Others have died... I think I've lost your line of reasoning.... Sorry

No, that's understood. That comment I made was very general. But you have to keep in mind that there are Others that came from off the island, like Juliette. I doubt she's the only one. As stupid as this is going to sound, see if you can follow my twisted logic. I think the only Others that have died are the ones that came from off the island.

I'll say it like this just to make sure I actually make sense (even to myself) I don't think that the natives of the Mysterious island of Mystery can die. The island might have some sort of healing abilities, but the life extension aspect only applies to the natives.

Um, but Mikhail came from off the island....


He did?? I don't remember that.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: LostAndSeek on July 05, 2007, 04:42:52 PM

Um, but Mikhail came from off the island....


He did?? I don't remember that.

Well, of course we only have his word for it, but he was in the Russian army. Fought in Afghanistan, I think.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: pauinha6 on July 05, 2007, 07:45:10 PM
Mikail did say he was a part of Dharma, and that he was in Afghanistan, but then again, he can't really be trusted for his words, can he???

but imo i think he was brought to the island by Dharma, yes, and saved himself from the purge as many others... i just can't see him as a Native, cause somehow i think the natives used to be..... how can i say this..... better ppl than the Others are!

i'm not sayin' that the Natives are the good guys (but maybe they are), but Ben corrupted them sorta speek.... YES; BEN iS EVIL!!!!!!

oh, yeah, and Kelvin is DEAD ;D
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Jordan on July 05, 2007, 11:00:33 PM
Kelvin is probably dead, I agree with that. But he will be seen again. I agreed with you again. :)
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: pauinha6 on July 05, 2007, 11:55:32 PM
YAY, u agreed with me again!!!!

we must be very smart ppl :D :D :D

(i agree with u that we probably will se that wierd guy again....)
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: BobBX542 on July 06, 2007, 10:29:32 AM
Okay, so all we have to go on is Mikhail's word?? See, that's why I don't trust him.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: snowyjoe on July 06, 2007, 10:48:05 PM
KELVIN
IS
ALIVE
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: pauinha6 on July 06, 2007, 11:36:58 PM
KELVIN
IS
DEAD
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: LostAndSeek on July 06, 2007, 11:56:49 PM
Kelvin is alive, Joe is dead.

Or is it the other way around?
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: pauinha6 on July 06, 2007, 11:59:04 PM
Joe is alive! don't be mean to the guy!!! LOLOL

he can't help it, he's young and full of hopes... :D

(and maybe one day we will have to apologize to him, if kelvin happens to be alive somehow) (btw, that will never happen... kelvin is dead ;D )
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: JBRam on July 10, 2007, 08:29:52 PM
Page 51 and he's still dead.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: pauinha6 on July 11, 2007, 12:23:40 AM
it's been a long time but feels nice anyhow...

I AGREE WITH JON!!!

Hi sweets?? where u been?????

:-*

oh, and KELVIN IS DEAD!!!!!
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: LostGirlDeb on July 11, 2007, 03:56:36 PM
WHO CARES?



LOL RUNNING AWAY NOW....
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: pauinha6 on July 11, 2007, 04:59:29 PM
joe cares!!!!!

i don't..... cause HE'S DEAD!!! ;D
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: LostGirlDeb on July 11, 2007, 05:34:24 PM
joe cares!!!!!

i don't..... cause HE'S DEAD!!! ;D

LOL ;D
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: JBRam on July 11, 2007, 07:44:35 PM
it's been a long time but feels nice anyhow...

I AGREE WITH JON!!!

Hi sweets?? where u been?????

:-*

oh, and KELVIN IS DEAD!!!!!
Hey Paula! We need some more of that late night MSN chatting :D

Inman croaked.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: pauinha6 on July 11, 2007, 11:33:16 PM
it's been a long time but feels nice anyhow...

I AGREE WITH JON!!!

Hi sweets?? where u been?????

:-*

oh, and KELVIN IS DEAD!!!!!
Hey Paula! We need some more of that late night MSN chatting :D


u bet ya sweets!!! i miss our portuguese lessons :D

after tomorrow i'll be free..... at least until september....
and since i'm not planing any vacations... I'll be sledgeling 24/7 ;D ;D ;D

btw, Kelvin=Dead
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: nikarro on July 12, 2007, 06:56:37 PM
Dead
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: snowyjoe on July 13, 2007, 03:51:00 AM
ALIVE!!
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Jordan on July 14, 2007, 12:16:49 PM
WHO CARES?



LOL RUNNING AWAY NOW....

I wonder, does he play a big part in the final 3 seasons? (My way of saying I agree with you  ;) )
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: BobBX542 on July 16, 2007, 10:47:14 AM
Still dead.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: nikarro on July 16, 2007, 12:58:36 PM
STILLLLL DEAD...Nothing Outperforms the New Improved 1972 Dharma Inititiave Battery!
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: DirtyMaggieMae on July 16, 2007, 01:32:09 PM
Well if he isn't dead then they have a lot of explaining to to.  Like why was he JOE INMAN in the war, and KELVIN INMAN to Desmond?  That's not just a slip up.  They best be getting back to that.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: LostAndSeek on July 16, 2007, 05:08:33 PM
Well if he isn't dead then they have a lot of explaining to to.  Like why was he JOE INMAN in the war, and KELVIN INMAN to Desmond?  That's not just a slip up.  They best be getting back to that.

Hence the possibility that they're twins. One dead, one alive.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: DirtyMaggieMae on July 16, 2007, 07:30:08 PM
Ah.  touche.  I guess I never heard that theory before.  Hm.  It's a cop out though if they did that.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: JBRam on July 16, 2007, 09:12:33 PM
Page 52 and still dead.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: LostAndSeek on July 16, 2007, 09:19:54 PM
Ah.  touche.  I guess I never heard that theory before.  Hm.  It's a cop out though if they did that.

I dunno, there's so much twin buzz that you'd think we'll get at least one set....
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: JBRam on July 16, 2007, 09:52:42 PM
I hope the only twins we see are NEW people.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: pauinha6 on July 16, 2007, 10:49:56 PM
Well if he isn't dead then they have a lot of explaining to to.  Like why was he JOE INMAN in the war, and KELVIN INMAN to Desmond?  That's not just a slip up.  They best be getting back to that.

Hence the possibility that they're twins. One dead, one alive.

i think there is that possibility since the names are different, but KELVIN IS DEAD!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: JBRam on July 17, 2007, 01:08:44 AM
Inman and Inman are one DEAD person.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: LostAndSeek on July 17, 2007, 09:37:58 AM
Inman and Inman are one DEAD person.

Well,.... probably, but we gotta talk about something!!!
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: BobBX542 on July 17, 2007, 03:21:47 PM
Hear me out on this, because it may help to debunk the twin theory, and show that Kelvin is still DEAD. It is possible that his name is Kelvin Joseph Inman. Now, if my first name is Kelvin, I'd tell people my name is Joe/Joseph. But if you're locked in a bunker with someone for a few years, you'll start talking about things, and I bet that somewhere along the line Kelvin would mention his first name (probably along the lines of, "You know, my real name isn't even Joeseph. It's Kelvin."), and that probably made Radzinsky want to call him by his real name, as like a bonding thing. Now picture that you have been called Kelvin by this one guy everyday, several times a day for a few years. If someone says, "Who are you?" You'll probably say Kelvin Inman. Just a thought. And he's still dead because Desmond smashed his frickin' head on the rocks.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: DirtyMaggieMae on July 17, 2007, 05:37:29 PM
Yeah I can get behind the idea that perhaps his middle name was Joe.  I had a buddy we called Trev who was really a Steve.  Anyhow, I think the whole twin idea is more....symbolic than literal.  How one person can have two personalities-- as has been shown with many of our losties.  As far as the dude still being dead.... you may all have your opinions solidified but I'm still not 100%.  So I'll keep talking about it!
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: LostAndSeek on July 17, 2007, 06:32:23 PM
Yeah I can get behind the idea that perhaps his middle name was Joe.  I had a buddy we called Trev who was really a Steve.  Anyhow, I think the whole twin idea is more....symbolic than literal.  How one person can have two personalities-- as has been shown with many of our losties.  As far as the dude still being dead.... you may all have your opinions solidified but I'm still not 100%.  So I'll keep talking about it!

I just relistened to the Season 2 ending podcast and they take up this issue. They talk about using the name "Joe" in the flashback so that people reading TV Guide wouldn't pick up on the name "Kelvin" before watching the show. One of them goes on to say his name is actually Kelvin Joe Inman and the other replies that he didn't know that. I'm not sure how seriously to take this though as I don't find the TV Guide explanation particularly convincing. In addition, less than a minute later, in roughly the same tone of voice they opine that the four-toed statue is Homer Simpson.....

Sooo..... I'm not ruling out the twin idea just yet. I do think Kelvin's dead though.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: DirtyMaggieMae on July 17, 2007, 06:45:23 PM
I like that explanation.  Makes sense to me, but I'm ready to accept many answers on this show that still has so many questions
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: LouE68 on September 11, 2007, 09:50:23 PM
I would go with Kelvin is dead...
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: BobBX542 on September 12, 2007, 09:18:02 AM
So....Still dead, yeah, I thought so.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Cardacct on December 26, 2007, 03:04:25 PM
Alive.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: DirtyMaggieMae on December 26, 2007, 05:25:52 PM
Alive.
WHOOOHOO!  Yeah!  Now I want to know where he's been for the past 90 some days. 
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Cardacct on December 26, 2007, 07:07:53 PM
Me too.  But mostly I just wanted to pop in here and restart the fight.  :)
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: DirtyMaggieMae on December 28, 2007, 08:59:14 PM
Speaking of restarting fights...where is that 'locke didn't blow up the sub' thread...
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: PrincessLeia on December 28, 2007, 09:15:26 PM
Speaking of restarting fights...where is that 'locke didn't blow up the sub' thread...
NOOOooooooOOOOooooooOOOOOOO! :D :D :D
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: LouE68 on December 29, 2007, 02:11:01 PM
Kelvin is dead, I think, as for the sub....damn those mobisodes.....lol
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: pauinha6 on December 30, 2007, 12:25:54 PM
 stupid question here, but... didn't TPTB stated that Kelvin is in fact dead???

i know they said so for Charlie and more caracters, but didn't they say especificaly that kelvin was dead??
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Desmond8MyPopRocks on December 30, 2007, 08:32:45 PM
Kelvin is alive.

hypothermia cheers from Evil Oregon
*Des8
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: jugdish on December 30, 2007, 11:31:01 PM
Still dead.

Great to see Des around though.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: PrincessLeia on December 31, 2007, 12:41:10 AM
Still dead.

Great to see Des around though.
I agree with Jugdish.  On both points. :)
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: DirtyMaggieMae on December 31, 2007, 07:03:00 PM
stupid question here, but... didn't TPTB stated that Kelvin is in fact dead???

i know they said so for Charlie and more caracters, but didn't they say especificaly that kelvin was dead??

I know about them confirming Charlie, and I guess Christian, but I can't put my finger on a time they said Kelvin was for sure dead.  I'll check it out though.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: LouE68 on January 04, 2008, 09:00:48 PM
Well I think it was kinda evil of Kelvin to try and leave Des...being an evil person would have made the island not heal him...so he is dead....
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: DirtyMaggieMae on January 07, 2008, 04:12:29 PM
That is an interesting point of view.  I'd take that over some other theories on here
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: jugdish on January 07, 2008, 04:42:36 PM
stupid question here, but... didn't TPTB stated that Kelvin is in fact dead???

i know they said so for Charlie and more caracters, but didn't they say especificaly that kelvin was dead??

I know about them confirming Charlie, and I guess Christian, but I can't put my finger on a time they said Kelvin was for sure dead.  I'll check it out though.

They never said anything specific about Kelvin. What the producers have said is that if someon is dead on the island they stay dead. You do not come back from the dead. It appears that the island does heal people quickly, but does not bring them back from the grave. They did specifically say Christian is dead and Charlie. So Kelvin is up to interpretation depending if you believe Des killed him.

Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: jugdish on January 07, 2008, 04:42:59 PM
P.S. I liked Lou's logic.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: pauinha6 on January 07, 2008, 10:38:54 PM
 yeah, i liked it too, but.... didn't the island made Ben's recovery VERY fast???


ok, it didn't heal his cancer.. but... does the island even KNOW how to cure cancer??? lol i mean, Ben said that no one on that island EVER had cancer, so....

we know the island fasts recovery, but does it actually heal??

*btw, i think Kelvin is dead! Des would have buried him right??*
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: DirtyMaggieMae on January 08, 2008, 12:20:27 AM
I was under the impression that Rose's cancer was healed.  Well, maybe it wasn't cancer, I guess I just thought it was since she said she was going to die... not sure.  And Rachel's cancer was cured and she wasn't even on the island.  But that is sort of up for debate.  I figure that if the island can make Locke walk again, then it can cure cancer.  Not that they really are the same type of illness. 
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Ladybug on January 08, 2008, 10:52:16 AM
I was under the impression that Rose's cancer was healed.  Well, maybe it wasn't cancer, I guess I just thought it was since she said she was going to die... not sure.  And Rachel's cancer was cured and she wasn't even on the island.  But that is sort of up for debate.  I figure that if the island can make Locke walk again, then it can cure cancer.  Not that they really are the same type of illness. 
there is no "cure" for cancer.  it can only go into remission.  i have always assumed that rose's cancer is in remission because of the island and that if she gets off the island it will come back.  as for rachel, i just figure she had some kind of treatments so that the cancer is gone, but like any cancers, can still come back.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: BobBX542 on January 08, 2008, 11:05:36 AM
Right, but cancer (and semantics) aside, the point is that on page 54, Kelvin is still dead.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: DirtyMaggieMae on January 08, 2008, 12:45:06 PM
Oh BobBX!  Can't we have our fun?

Thanks for the info ladybug!  That puts things into a better perspective for me.  So speaking of Kelvin, he was specifically recruited by the Dharma Initiavtive, yes?  Besides millitary training was there any other special qualities?  I mean...it seems kinda strange that a peaceful group of scientists recruited a military type.  Unless he was brought in to help with the natives?  I dunno.  He's interesting.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: jugdish on January 08, 2008, 01:34:14 PM
That is his story. We still do not know for sure that he was not working with the others.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: DirtyMaggieMae on January 08, 2008, 01:46:54 PM
Hey.  Y'know how Mikhail was lying and said that he was really Dharma, and that the others let him stay there as long as he didn't cross the line?  Wonder if Kelvin was able to make a deal like that.  Maybe that is part of the reason he was so cautious to not let Des leave.  That, and the boat and the button I suppose. nm. 
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: PrincessLeia on January 09, 2008, 02:23:04 AM
I think Kelvin (who is DEAD) just avoided the Hostiles, & never had any real contact/ communication with them.  If he were working with the Others, why would he want to leave?

While Ben obviously entered the numbers while Locke was pinned under the blast door, my impression is that the Others didn't quite understand what exactly was happenning @ the Swan.  Although they were able to observe virtually everything that went on there (from the Pearl), they seemed just as confused as the Losties after the "sky turned purple."
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: jugdish on January 09, 2008, 09:19:25 AM
I think Kelvin (who is DEAD) just avoided the Hostiles, & never had any real contact/ communication with them.  If he were working with the Others, why would he want to leave?

While Ben obviously entered the numbers while Locke was pinned under the blast door, my impression is that the Others didn't quite understand what exactly was happenning @ the Swan.  Although they were able to observe virtually everything that went on there (from the Pearl), they seemed just as confused as the Losties after the "sky turned purple."

You just made some very good arguements!! Now I believe Dead Kelvin was the last Dharma member.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: BobBX542 on January 09, 2008, 03:23:48 PM
I think Kelvin (who is DEAD) just avoided the Hostiles, & never had any real contact/ communication with them.  If he were working with the Others, why would he want to leave?

While Ben obviously entered the numbers while Locke was pinned under the blast door, my impression is that the Others didn't quite understand what exactly was happenning @ the Swan.  Although they were able to observe virtually everything that went on there (from the Pearl), they seemed just as confused as the Losties after the "sky turned purple."

You just made some very good arguements!! Now I believe Dead Kelvin was the last Dharma member.

The only question that remains is what the hell was Kelvin (who is dead) doing outside of the hatch right as Desmond washed ashore?? I have always basically believed his story about being the last Dharma person, even after he was caught in the lie with the bio hazard suit, but the thing about the shore has always bothered me. I'm really hoping that he plays/played some really big role that we can't even possibly conceive of.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: LouE68 on January 09, 2008, 03:45:17 PM
I think Kelvin (who is DEAD) just avoided the Hostiles, & never had any real contact/ communication with them.  If he were working with the Others, why would he want to leave?

While Ben obviously entered the numbers while Locke was pinned under the blast door, my impression is that the Others didn't quite understand what exactly was happenning @ the Swan.  Although they were able to observe virtually everything that went on there (from the Pearl), they seemed just as confused as the Losties after the "sky turned purple."

You just made some very good arguements!! Now I believe Dead Kelvin was the last Dharma member.
Right, because even if they watched them from the Pearl...they still didnt know where it was, or what they were doing....but on the other hand Ben did work as a workman too...so did he know or not....hmmmmmmmm?
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: DirtyMaggieMae on January 09, 2008, 04:18:19 PM
well if its true what sawyer said, workman=janitor then they probably weren't too high up
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: LouE68 on January 09, 2008, 08:10:41 PM
I do recall TPTB saying at some point that the others knew about the Swan, just not what it's function was...
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: pauinha6 on January 09, 2008, 08:53:37 PM
I do recall TPTB saying at some point that the others knew about the Swan, just not what it's function was...
yeah, me too...
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: DirtyMaggieMae on January 09, 2008, 09:04:53 PM
workman was roger and ben's rank, correct?  and one of roger's jobs was just to drop off some supplies at the pearl?  i don't think they were to into the goings on, i mean, they must have had some clue...!
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: LouE68 on January 09, 2008, 09:07:58 PM
workman was roger and ben's rank, correct?  and one of roger's jobs was just to drop off some supplies at the pearl?  i don't think they were to into the goings on, i mean, they must have had some clue...!
they had couldnt have had a clue...thats like dropping off supplies to a refinery...you know they refine stuff, but as to the specifics I truely doubt it...
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: PrincessLeia on January 10, 2008, 02:26:32 AM
BobBX- DANG.  Good point. :-\  But I'm thinking Kelvin (who is still dead) had to be out & about from time to time...picking up supplies from food drops, etc.  We don't know how long Des was there before (dead) Kelvin found him.

Lou, Ash, & Paula-  The Others could have read Pearl journals, but I still don't think they completely understood.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: LouE68 on January 10, 2008, 03:26:43 AM
right, but the journals wouldnt have specifics to what was going on with the Swan, just the people....
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: DirtyMaggieMae on January 10, 2008, 01:00:58 PM
I don't think Kelvin or Des really fully understood what would happen.  Kelvin said they were saving the world...which wasn't really true...I guess...and also said that when you turn the key 'it all goes away' which was what happened to the hatch, but no one died, and the world is still there.   I don't think anyone really knew what power the hatch had... I think they got a clue after the 'incident' when the had to fill the place up with cement.  Point being...I don't think anyone that came to the island really knew for sure what they were dealing with.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: jugdish on January 10, 2008, 05:46:40 PM
First the journals were suppose to say what the people were doing.

According to the ring lady, they would of all died. I believe if the button was not pushed and the key was not turned then every one would of died. Des saved everyone by turning the key and destroying the magnet.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: LouE68 on January 10, 2008, 08:18:05 PM
I was thinking about the whole thing last night...Des was affected because he was there when he turned the key...everyone ele, as far as we are led to believe, ran out....so it may not have effected them the same....but since Des has had more storyline and info than any of the flashbacks, it makes sense that his story may have more value to the Lost story...I started speculating if Widmore has caused Des to timetravel, trying to seperate him from Pen...but of course, the universe corrects itself, making Des and Pen be together...I think maybe Ms. Hawkings was sent by Widmore back in time to discourage Des from being with Pen...just a thought...
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: PrincessLeia on January 10, 2008, 10:13:33 PM
I was thinking about the whole thing last night...Des was affected because he was there when he turned the key...everyone ele, as far as we are led to believe, ran out....so it may not have effected them the same....but since Des has had more storyline and info than any of the flashbacks, it makes sense that his story may have more value to the Lost story...I started speculating if Widmore has caused Des to timetravel, trying to seperate him from Pen...but of course, the universe corrects itself, making Des and Pen be together...I think maybe Ms. Hawkings was sent by Widmore back in time to discourage Des from being with Pen...just a thought...
That fits with the picture on Brother Campbell's desk.


whoa.  de ja vu. ;)
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: DirtyMaggieMae on January 10, 2008, 10:43:21 PM
Really?  I mean, I like the theory, but if it wasn't for Brother Campbell, Des wouldn't have met Penny. 
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: LouE68 on January 10, 2008, 11:28:21 PM
Really?  I mean, I like the theory, but if it wasn't for Brother Campbell, Des wouldn't have met Penny. 
But that could be only one of Des's timetravels caused by Widmore..that we have seen
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: DirtyMaggieMae on January 11, 2008, 12:59:44 PM
But if Brother Campbell and Hawking on tight, and Hawking was trying to discourage Des from being with Penny, I don't think Brother Campbell would have allowed him to leave the monastery. 
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: BobBX542 on January 11, 2008, 03:16:09 PM
According to the ring lady, they would of all died. I believe if the button was not pushed and the key was not turned then every one would of died. Des saved everyone by turning the key and destroying the magnet.

Okay, so lets think about something (everyone), Obviously the world CAN survive without the magnet thing, so "saving the world" is only neccesarry because of some outside influence causing the magnet to be there. This has to be true because whoever is responsible for the magnet was smart enough to put in a failsafe key. So, assuming that by Kelvin's oh so happy attitude when he told Desmond he was "saving the world", I don't think he knows that turning the fail safe key would leave him relatively unharmed, which leads us to think that he might not have as much info as we thought. Anyone care to help me out with where ever this thought is going?? Oh, by the way,


Still Dead is Kelvin I says.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: LouE68 on January 11, 2008, 06:30:11 PM
But if Brother Campbell and Hawking on tight, and Hawking was trying to discourage Des from being with Penny, I don't think Brother Campbell would have allowed him to leave the monastery. 
Well, like I said it's speculation/theory...it's going to have some holes...but, you are assuming about Mrs.Hawkings and Brother Campbell...we dont know what eithers secretive intentions are without more information.





btw Kelvin is dead.....
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: E.S.B. on January 13, 2008, 10:22:46 PM
I don't think Hawking was necessarily trying to keep Desmond from ever being with Penny - she just didn't want him being with Penny before he saved the world by pushing the button, and ultimately the failsafe.  All she cares about is people follow their path and destiny.  Desmond's path will lead him to Penny, but he has to follow a certain road to get there.  Just like it was Charlie's destiny to ultimately die on the Island, but Desmond had to make sure he lived long enough to punch Good Vibrations into the Looking Glass and sacrifice himself to save Desmond and warn the Castaways that its "not Penny's boat."

Oh, and the world can survive with the magnet gone, but it just could not survive if the anomoly was allowed to overcharge, or whatever.  So there were two ways to prevent this from happening - by pushing the button every 108 minutes to temporarily discharge the anomoly, and 2, by turning the failsafe which ends the anomoly forever, but obviously has longterm repurcussions.

It would be great if Kelvin is alive.  We could find out a lot more about the interactions between Dharma (Radzinsky and Kelvin in the Swan) and the Others "post-purge."  I mean, Kelvin had to have arrived in the early-90's (post Gulf War I), and I would assume the Purge was before that.  So is Kelvin true Dharma or what?  What was he doing there?  My vote is Kelvin lives.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: laklost on January 14, 2008, 12:57:11 PM
I don't think Hawking was necessarily trying to keep Desmond from ever being with Penny - she just didn't want him being with Penny before he saved the world by pushing the button, and ultimately the failsafe.  All she cares about is people follow their path and destiny.  Desmond's path will lead him to Penny, but he has to follow a certain road to get there.  Just like it was Charlie's destiny to ultimately die on the Island, but Desmond had to make sure he lived long enough to punch Good Vibrations into the Looking Glass and sacrifice himself to save Desmond and warn the Castaways that its "not Penny's boat."

Oh, and the world can survive with the magnet gone, but it just could not survive if the anomoly was allowed to overcharge, or whatever.  So there were two ways to prevent this from happening - by pushing the button every 108 minutes to temporarily discharge the anomoly, and 2, by turning the failsafe which ends the anomoly forever, but obviously has longterm repurcussions.

It would be great if Kelvin is alive.  We could find out a lot more about the interactions between Dharma (Radzinsky and Kelvin in the Swan) and the Others "post-purge."  I mean, Kelvin had to have arrived in the early-90's (post Gulf War I), and I would assume the Purge was before that.  So is Kelvin true Dharma or what?  What was he doing there?  My vote is Kelvin lives.

Kelvin was part of the rebel group of Dharma who has hunkered down waiting to take down Ben and his rule.  I used to think Kelvin was still alive, but I'm not sure he needs to be in order for the original Dharma to fight against Ben.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: DirtyMaggieMae on January 14, 2008, 01:01:41 PM
Good point about the arrival time of Kelvin.  That is about the same time Patchy arrived also. 
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: laklost on January 14, 2008, 01:05:15 PM
Good point about the arrival time of Kelvin.  That is about the same time Patchy arrived also. 

It's when Rebel Dharma had themselves organized. 
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: LouE68 on January 14, 2008, 06:19:13 PM
Rebel Dharma?
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: DirtyMaggieMae on January 14, 2008, 09:04:56 PM
I think she means Ben's group?  I don't think Kelvin was a part of that because he needed the sailboat to be able to get off of the island, unlike the other's who Ben said the sub gave them that illusion.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: LouE68 on January 14, 2008, 09:21:49 PM
There has never been any indication, so far, that Ben had a group...unless you mean, Ben joining Richard and that group....as far as we know, I think, no other Dharma member was allowed to survive the purge...but we dont know one way or another at this point...
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: DirtyMaggieMae on January 14, 2008, 10:11:59 PM
I say "group" because of the line Ben said to Locke at the mass grave. 

BEN: This is where I came from, John. These are my people. The DHARMA Initiative. They came here seeking harmony, but they couldn't even coexist with the Island's original inhabitants. And when it became clear that one side had to go, one side had to be purged, I did what I had to do. I was one of the people that was smart enough to make sure that I didn't end up in that ditch, which makes me considerably smarter than you, John.

"one of the people" to me means that there were a couple other dharma people who joined in on the revolt.  I mean...I don't know how possible it would be for Ben to be working alone...Dharma was fully armed and had sophisticated alarm systems.  Ben would have had to shut all of that down before he left with his dad and hope that no one caught onto his mistake before 4:00 to correct it.  i just don't know!
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: laklost on January 15, 2008, 05:45:47 PM
I meant by Rebel Dharma this progression:

DHARMA: Dharma fueled by DeGroots research comes to island

OTHERS: Ben with the help of Richard overthrows them and takes over their equipment

REBEL DHARMA:  Rebelling against Ben's takeover, they've been trying to figure out how to get their stuff and the island back.  I think Kelvin, Radzinsky, Patchy, Desmond (by default) and the rescue boat are all part of this.  No one else has called them Rebel Dharma - I meant it as a Star Wars reference.  You know, the galaxy is happy under Republic rule (like island/Dharma), is taken over by Emperor and Vader (Richard/Ben) and is rescued by the Rebels Leia, Kenobi, Luke and co. (Kelvin/rescue boat).  IMHO!
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: DirtyMaggieMae on January 15, 2008, 08:39:02 PM
Ah!  I see!  I think that there will be more in that Rebel group soon, what with the way Ben has been acting, the death count on the other's side, Jacob meeting Locke...oooh yeah.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: LouE68 on January 15, 2008, 08:56:32 PM
oh and Kelvin is still DEAD!!!
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: BobBX542 on January 16, 2008, 09:39:18 AM
So that makes Jacob-Emperor Palpatine, Kate-Padmé, and Hurley-Chewbacca?? Is the underwater hatch the death star?? I think I'm confused. :P
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: LouE68 on January 16, 2008, 07:46:25 PM
mmmmmmm.....Padme'.....
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: DirtyMaggieMae on January 16, 2008, 08:24:04 PM
actually i think Jin is chewie
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: LouE68 on January 16, 2008, 08:55:01 PM
right, I think Hurley was Jabba
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: laklost on January 17, 2008, 12:54:49 PM
So that makes Jacob-Emperor Palpatine, Kate-Padmé, and Hurley-Chewbacca?? Is the underwater hatch the death star?? I think I'm confused. :P

Uh, doink on all your heads.  :P The Star Wars thing was only a suggestion - not a line-for-line comparison.  Although Jin IS Chewie...
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: PrincessLeia on January 17, 2008, 01:47:15 PM
Yes- Jin is Chewie, Sawyer is Han, & Tom is.......Darth Maul? ???

So, Lorie- are you thinking that the Others (Ben/ Richard's group) were posing as Dharma after the Purge & still bringing in "new recruits?" (Kelvin, Patchy, Radz)  I'd  never thought through the Purge & Gulf War timing issue.  Hmmm.....



Kelvin
is dead.

Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: DirtyMaggieMae on January 17, 2008, 02:10:00 PM
Patchy lied about being recruited by DHARMA, as far as we know, Kelvin wasn't lying.  So unless Kelvin was recruited under the name dharma but was really recruited by the magnificant man I'd say they were came withing a few years of each other through different means.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: PrincessLeia on January 17, 2008, 02:15:43 PM
But Kelvin came after the Purge, right?
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: DirtyMaggieMae on January 17, 2008, 02:37:21 PM
Not sure.  If he came after the purge then he was recruited by Ben's people because everyone DHARMA was dead (pretty much).  So if he came post-purge he was lying about being a part of the dharma initiative, but remember Juliet said that her people were 'what's left' of DI.  If he was brought after the purge, I guess I don't see why he would need to be drawing maps on the blast door map.  He was doing it in secret.  So my guess is he came before the purge, lost contact with the flame, therefore loosing his contact with the community and maps.  Though the flame did continue to order food drops...hm...
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: BobBX542 on January 17, 2008, 03:18:36 PM
Not sure.  If he came after the purge then he was recruited by Ben's people because everyone DHARMA was dead (pretty much).  So if he came post-purge he was lying about being a part of the dharma initiative, but remember Juliet said that her people were 'what's left' of DI.  If he was brought after the purge, I guess I don't see why he would need to be drawing maps on the blast door map.  He was doing it in secret.  So my guess is he came before the purge, lost contact with the flame, therefore loosing his contact with the community and maps.  Though the flame did continue to order food drops...hm...

I hate to correct the thought, but if I'm reading what you're saying Mag, then what you mean to say is that if he was brought in after the purge, he was wrong about being part of D.I., not lying. My personal belief is that everyone that was brought in after the purge didn't even know about it, and thought they were all joining the actual Dharma Initiative. When Juliette say "we're all that's left", I don't think she even knows that the actual original D.I. has all been killed off.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: DirtyMaggieMae on January 17, 2008, 03:32:28 PM
I may have been entirely wrong!  I was just checking out this timeline...I don't think it's 100% accurate.  But it mentions that the purge is likely to happen in 1987 because Alex was taken in 1988 (the year danielle crashed).  DHarma didn't seem like they baby-snatching type so it's good to guess the purge happened pre-danielle, but who knows what they were really into.
http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Pre-crash_timeline

And since Kelvin probably didn't arrive until the 1990's, it is possible that he was recruited by the others.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: laklost on January 17, 2008, 04:13:29 PM
I may have been entirely wrong!  I was just checking out this timeline...I don't think it's 100% accurate.  But it mentions that the purge is likely to happen in 1987 because Alex was taken in 1988 (the year danielle crashed).  DHarma didn't seem like they baby-snatching type so it's good to guess the purge happened pre-danielle, but who knows what they were really into.
http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Pre-crash_timeline

And since Kelvin probably didn't arrive until the 1990's, it is possible that he was recruited by the others.

And by the others, you mean what I meant by Rebel Dharma.  My feeling about Radzinsky/Kelvin/Desmond's activity in the Swan was that it was their hideout to spy on Ben's activities - they were scouts.  The onland Dharma folks still consider THEMSELVES to be Dharma.  Ben is not Dharma - he is Ben and Co. who have taken over Dharma's stuff and island - and they want it back.  They are coming.  Ben sees them as enemies. 

Just think, in 2 years plus we'll all be able to stop guessing!
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: PrincessLeia on January 17, 2008, 06:38:51 PM
It is interresting to note that Kelvin still referred to the Others as Hostiles. He knew he was fighting against someone.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: LouE68 on January 17, 2008, 09:10:15 PM
It is interresting to note that Kelvin still referred to the Others as Hostiles. He knew he was fighting against someone.
So all this information...are we building a net or cutting holes in it?
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: laklost on January 17, 2008, 09:33:56 PM
It is interresting to note that Kelvin still referred to the Others as Hostiles. He knew he was fighting against someone.
So all this information...are we building a net or cutting holes in it?

Isn't that the question hanging over SWLS?  :D
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: LostAndSeek on January 19, 2008, 12:21:44 PM
BobBX- DANG.  Good point. :-\  But I'm thinking Kelvin (who is still dead) had to be out & about from time to time...picking up supplies from food drops, etc.  We don't know how long Des was there before (dead) Kelvin found him.

I agree. Kelvin would have gone outside occasionally just for the change of scenery. I suspect that once Des didn't get sick, Kelvin figured that he wouldn't either, and so stopped wearing the haz suit once out of Des's sight from that point on.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: E.S.B. on January 19, 2008, 12:24:21 PM
It is interresting to note that Kelvin still referred to the Others as Hostiles. He knew he was fighting against someone.

Exactly!  This means Kelvin was not brought there by Ben/The Others.  I like the idea that he was some part of "rebel Dharma."  Maybe they snuck him in there after the Purge to keep things going in the Swan.  It really makes me wonder how much Ben knew about the happenings of the Swan before he got "caught" by Rousseau.

Maybe Radzinsky was original pre-purge Dharma and Kelvin somehow was brought there later - I mean, the Blast Door Map seemed to be Radzinsky's brainchild, so it was like he was fighting back against the Hostiles or something.  Unless it's possible that Kelvin was there before the purge and the purge was actually after the Gulf War.  Who knows.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: LostAndSeek on January 19, 2008, 12:26:37 PM

Oh, and the world can survive with the magnet gone, but it just could not survive if the anomoly was allowed to overcharge, or whatever.  So there were two ways to prevent this from happening - by pushing the button every 108 minutes to temporarily discharge the anomoly, and 2, by turning the failsafe which ends the anomoly forever, but obviously has longterm repurcussions.


I agree with this except I think the anomaly is still there. I bet the Swan was doing something to cause the buildups that had to be released. I assume the anomaly predated the Swan as well.

Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: LostAndSeek on January 19, 2008, 12:32:16 PM
Good point about the arrival time of Kelvin.  That is about the same time Patchy arrived also. 

This timing problem is the reason a little part of me holds the to the dual Inman theory. Kelvin was on the from before the purge to the time of his death. Joe fought in the Gulf War and for all we know is looking for Kelvin.

I know it's a little silly, but this is Lost and hey, we'd get to see Mr. Krabs again.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: E.S.B. on January 19, 2008, 12:38:51 PM
I agree with this except I think the anomaly is still there. I bet the Swan was doing something to cause the buildups that had to be released. I assume the anomaly predated the Swan as well.



You know, that's a good point.  I mean, this Island is so weird I wonder if the "anomoly" is something that has always been there and is still there, independent of what was actually happening in the Swan.  I mean, we know there are still strange "properties" on the Island - the freighter couldn't find it without Jack radioing them, Naomi's copter crashed for no apparent reason, the Others' communications are now completely cut off from the outside world, etc.  Maybe Desmond pushing the failsafe and the sky turning purple has made the Island even weirder than it ever was!
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: PrincessLeia on January 19, 2008, 02:10:07 PM
Good point about the arrival time of Kelvin.  That is about the same time Patchy arrived also. 

This timing problem is the reason a little part of me holds the to the dual Inman theory. Kelvin was on the from before the purge to the time of his death. Joe fought in the Gulf War and for all we know is looking for Kelvin.

I know it's a little silly, but this is Lost and hey, we'd get to see Mr. Krabs again.
It could be time travel...
They could be twins....
They could be clones....

 :-[Why are you all looking at me like that? ???
 ::) jk :) 

Good point though, LAndS.  I really do see that as a strong possibility.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: LostAndSeek on January 19, 2008, 03:07:46 PM
I was thinking natural clones (i.e. identical twins), but hey, it's Lost....
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: LouE68 on January 21, 2008, 06:31:21 PM
LOL makes me think of Frau Farbissina......"Send in the CLONE!!!"
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Blackrock Bob on January 29, 2008, 08:39:40 PM
I watched a video where they matched what was going on during the plane crash... Desmond throwing Kelvin down on the rocks, Juliette and the book club, and Jack/Kate/Charlie/Rose on the plane.

One thing that gets me is that Kelvin's body and the boat isn't that far from the beach. It took them a month of so to find the hatch. It just doesn't add up.
I've always thought that Kelvin woke up and tried to sail the boat out, couldn't and anchored it back where it was. It was timed just right for Desmond to come take it when he ran out of the Swan.
Where Kelvin has been if he was alive or where Christian has been if he is alive, is a mystery that could be played out over the next few seasons.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Ladybug on January 30, 2008, 10:32:25 AM
I watched a video where they matched what was going on during the plane crash... Desmond throwing Kelvin down on the rocks, Juliette and the book club, and Jack/Kate/Charlie/Rose on the plane.

One thing that gets me is that Kelvin's body and the boat isn't that far from the beach. It took them a month of so to find the hatch. It just doesn't add up.
I've always thought that Kelvin woke up and tried to sail the boat out, couldn't and anchored it back where it was. It was timed just right for Desmond to come take it when he ran out of the Swan.
Where Kelvin has been if he was alive or where Christian has been if he is alive, is a mystery that could be played out over the next few seasons.
maybe they've been hanging out with danielle.  it has been 16 years.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: BobBX542 on January 31, 2008, 10:38:46 AM
I watched a video where they matched what was going on during the plane crash... Desmond throwing Kelvin down on the rocks, Juliette and the book club, and Jack/Kate/Charlie/Rose on the plane.

One thing that gets me is that Kelvin's body and the boat isn't that far from the beach. It took them a month of so to find the hatch. It just doesn't add up.
I've always thought that Kelvin woke up and tried to sail the boat out, couldn't and anchored it back where it was. It was timed just right for Desmond to come take it when he ran out of the Swan.
Where Kelvin has been if he was alive or where Christian has been if he is alive, is a mystery that could be played out over the next few seasons.

I might be missing something you're saying, but what doesn't add up?? I mean the hatch is under ground, covered in 3 years of dense natural growth. Maybe I'm not seeing what you mean.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: laklost on January 31, 2008, 11:58:17 AM
I watched a video where they matched what was going on during the plane crash... Desmond throwing Kelvin down on the rocks, Juliette and the book club, and Jack/Kate/Charlie/Rose on the plane.

One thing that gets me is that Kelvin's body and the boat isn't that far from the beach. It took them a month of so to find the hatch. It just doesn't add up.
I've always thought that Kelvin woke up and tried to sail the boat out, couldn't and anchored it back where it was. It was timed just right for Desmond to come take it when he ran out of the Swan.
Where Kelvin has been if he was alive or where Christian has been if he is alive, is a mystery that could be played out over the next few seasons.
maybe they've been hanging out with danielle.  it has been 16 years.

YES!  Let's let Danielle be part of the anti-Ben wing of Dharma.  Sounds spectacular.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Desmond8MyPopRocks on February 17, 2008, 05:33:34 AM
Kelvin is alive, and Danielle and Ben knew eachother for years.

cheers
*Des8
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: BobBX542 on February 21, 2008, 12:56:07 PM
Kelvin is alive, and Danielle and Ben knew eachother for years.

cheers
*Des8

Problem #1 with this, Kelvin is dead. Problem #2, Well, there is no problem #2, but Kelvin is deffinitely dead.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Blackrock Bob on February 21, 2008, 01:09:15 PM
We never saw his body, and they've gone over that location many times.
Too many people have been hurt worse and didn't die, but others have been hurt a lot less and died.
It can go either way, and I'm sure at some point we'll find out one way or the other.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: BobBX542 on February 21, 2008, 03:55:25 PM
We did see his body, right after Desmond killed him on the rocks.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Blackrock Bob on February 21, 2008, 04:17:34 PM
We also saw Locke shot.
We saw Locke in a wheelchair.
Rose had cancer.
Etc.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: BobBX542 on February 21, 2008, 04:35:15 PM
Okay, all SEMI-valid points. What you're not taking into consideration is that not everyone dies from being shot, on or off a mysterious island. Plus, Locke didn't drop dead from the shot because he got shot in an area that was essentially an empty void because he had no kidney there. As far as the wheelchair issue, if falling out of the building didn't kill him, then why would sitting in a wheelchair?? Rose having cancer doesn't really fit your arguement either, because like a gunshot, cancer doesn't kill instantly. Now Kelvin on the other hand had his head bashed apart on a rock, with a rock, and instantly stopped moving.

As for your etc. you have there, what about the other people on the island that have died. Let's see, there's Shannon, who did instantly die from the gunshot (which actually wouldn't have happened in real life because it was a gut shot, and she would have bled out over a longer peiod of time), then there's Boone, who, despite having a plane fall on him, managed to live long enough to be taken back to the camp before succumbing to his injuries, then there is Nikki and Paulo who were buried alive, and are now dead. Also, Charlie drowned, the two girls that were in the pearl died by being shot by Patchy, All of the others that were killed on the beach at the raid.

Etc.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: LostAndSeek on February 21, 2008, 06:29:25 PM
If Kelvin were alive I reckon we'd've seen him by now. I figure his body's gone 'cause Des went back and buried him. As Kelvin did for Radzinsky earlier.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Blackrock Bob on February 21, 2008, 06:53:28 PM
I did say this.
I guess I will shut up now before people get upset with my baseless ranting.  :)
but others have been hurt a lot less and died.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: nikarro on February 23, 2008, 02:31:35 PM
I did say this.
I guess I will shut up now before people get upset with my basis ranting.  :)
but others have been hurt a lot less and died.


I am not getting upset!   :P    Of course I have not said anything either, I dont know, I thought for sure KATES mom was dead, so maybe he is still alive!!!
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: BobBX542 on February 25, 2008, 03:50:29 PM
Nope, he's dead.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Blackrock Bob on March 14, 2008, 04:36:21 PM
Nope, he's alive.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: BobBX542 on March 14, 2008, 04:53:42 PM
Negative, dead as a door nail. Which makes me wonder why door nails are always used in that expression.


If Kelvin were alive I reckon we'd've seen him by now. I figure his body's gone 'cause Des went back and buried him. As Kelvin did for Radzinsky earlier.

I always assumed that he either kicked him into the water while going to the boat after the survivors found the hatch, or that the water came up and took him like it did with the airplane wreckage.

But Kelvin's still dead.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Cardacct on March 18, 2008, 02:58:57 AM
I heard that people were talking again about that RIDICULOUS theory that Kelvin is dead.  Because

HE

IS

SO

ALIVE.

I agree with BRB.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: BobBX542 on March 18, 2008, 10:18:12 AM
It's not RIDICULOUS, and it's not a theory, because

HE

IS

SO

DEAD

I agree with BobBX542.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Blackrock Bob on March 18, 2008, 10:47:15 AM
The reason some of us think he is alive is that some of us want to believe it, and will keep believing it until we know for a fact he is dead.

There is no use in arguing this point until we get more proof one way or the other.  ;)

Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Ladybug on March 18, 2008, 11:50:24 AM
okay okay i'll say it.

he's alive and living with christian in the jungle. 

 ;D

yes, i think kelvin is alive, just like i think christian is alive......
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Walkabout on March 18, 2008, 12:02:46 PM
okay okay i'll say it.

he's alive and living with christian in the jungle. 

 ;D

yes, i think kelvin is alive, just like i think christian is alive......
Are JFK, Ms. Monroe and Elvis with them. I think Walt's mom is alive.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Ladybug on March 18, 2008, 12:15:49 PM
okay okay i'll say it.

he's alive and living with christian in the jungle. 

 ;D

yes, i think kelvin is alive, just like i think christian is alive......
Are JFK, Ms. Monroe and Elvis with them. I think Walt's mom is alive.
um, no.  JFK, Ms. Monroe, Elvis, AND Walt's mom had dead bodies that were placed in the ground/grave.  unless they are houdini's they are dead and rotten by now.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Walkabout on March 18, 2008, 12:54:07 PM
okay okay i'll say it.

he's alive and living with christian in the jungle. 

 ;D

yes, i think kelvin is alive, just like i think christian is alive......
Are JFK, Ms. Monroe and Elvis with them. I think Walt's mom is alive.
um, no.  JFK, Ms. Monroe, Elvis, AND Walt's mom had dead bodies that were placed in the ground/grave.  unless they are houdini's they are dead and rotten by now.
I suspect Kelvin is alive but I also believe Christian is dead as a doornail unless you have a compelling argument otherwise. I believe Jack's daddy was dead prior to the crash or am I lost on this one? Kelvin on the otherhand... ;)
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Ladybug on March 18, 2008, 01:25:08 PM
okay okay i'll say it.

he's alive and living with christian in the jungle. 

 ;D

yes, i think kelvin is alive, just like i think christian is alive......
Are JFK, Ms. Monroe and Elvis with them. I think Walt's mom is alive.
um, no.  JFK, Ms. Monroe, Elvis, AND Walt's mom had dead bodies that were placed in the ground/grave.  unless they are houdini's they are dead and rotten by now.
I suspect Kelvin is alive but I also believe Christian is dead as a doornail unless you have a compelling argument otherwise. I believe Jack's daddy was dead prior to the crash or am I lost on this one? Kelvin on the otherhand... ;)
my main compelling arguements are that
(1) the coffin was found, but no body
(2) jack was not going to be allowed to take the coffin with the body on the plane because he didn't have the correct paperwork, but all of a sudden he could (because there's no paperwork needed to fly an EMPTY coffin, only more money)
(3) jack asked for his dad in his flashforward.
(4) hurley saw christian in jacob's cabin
(5) i like to argue with people.   ;D
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: thebeann on March 18, 2008, 01:35:05 PM
I am shocked that a thread about whether Kelvin is dead or not has gotten nearly 900 replies. Shocked.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Ladybug on March 18, 2008, 02:09:23 PM
I am shocked that a thread about whether Kelvin is dead or not has gotten nearly 900 replies. Shocked.
now if all those people would just BELIEVE!
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Walkabout on March 18, 2008, 02:52:25 PM
I am shocked that a thread about whether Kelvin is dead or not has gotten nearly 900 replies. Shocked.
now if all those people would just BELIEVE!
I agree that arguing is both entertaining and fun. I think Kelvin is alive in his family's memories.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: PrincessLeia on March 18, 2008, 02:54:46 PM
I am shocked that a thread about whether Kelvin is dead or not has gotten nearly 900 replies. Shocked.
now if all those people would just BELIEVE!
I agree that arguing is both entertaining and fun. I think Kelvin is alive in his family's memories.
Kelvin is like Santa Claus.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: jugdish on March 18, 2008, 02:57:21 PM
Still dead
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Walkabout on March 18, 2008, 02:57:49 PM
I am shocked that a thread about whether Kelvin is dead or not has gotten nearly 900 replies. Shocked.
now if all those people would just BELIEVE!
I agree that arguing is both entertaining and fun. I think Kelvin is alive in his family's memories.
Kelvin is like Santa Claus.
You mean he shows up once a year and leaves me presents? Should I leave a light on for him?
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: PrincessLeia on March 18, 2008, 03:03:07 PM
I am shocked that a thread about whether Kelvin is dead or not has gotten nearly 900 replies. Shocked.
now if all those people would just BELIEVE!
I agree that arguing is both entertaining and fun. I think Kelvin is alive in his family's memories.
Kelvin is like Santa Claus.
You mean he shows up once a year and leaves me presents? Should I leave a light on for him?
:D  I'll bake some cookies.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Walkabout on March 18, 2008, 03:04:13 PM
I am shocked that a thread about whether Kelvin is dead or not has gotten nearly 900 replies. Shocked.
now if all those people would just BELIEVE!
I agree that arguing is both entertaining and fun. I think Kelvin is alive in his family's memories.
Kelvin is like Santa Claus.
You mean he shows up once a year and leaves me presents? Should I leave a light on for him?
:D  I'll bake some cookies.
Peanut Butter for me please ;D
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: BobBX542 on March 18, 2008, 04:31:41 PM
I am shocked that a thread about whether Kelvin is dead or not has gotten nearly 900 replies. Shocked.

But how funny is it going to be when they finally reveal that Kelvin is dead, but then instantly tell us how unimportant that fact is.

The reason some of us think he is alive is that some of us want to believe it, and will keep believing it until we know for a fact he is dead.

There is no use in arguing this point until we get more proof one way or the other.  ;)



You do have the proof, they showed Desmond beating his head in with a rock.
 

I am shocked that a thread about whether Kelvin is dead or not has gotten nearly 900 replies. Shocked.
now if all those people would just BELIEVE!
I agree that arguing is both entertaining and fun. I think Kelvin is alive in his family's memories.

The first reasonable explanation I have heard about him being alive.


STILL DEAD
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: BobBX542 on March 18, 2008, 04:32:27 PM
The reason some of us think he is alive is that some of us want to believe it, and will keep believing it until we know for a fact he is dead.

There is no use in arguing this point until we get more proof one way or the other.  ;)



At least it's a simple arguement.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: thebeann on March 18, 2008, 04:43:00 PM
It's 3:42 PM EST and Kelvin is still dead.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: BobBX542 on March 18, 2008, 04:43:58 PM
It's 3:42 PM EST and Kelvin is still dead.

YES!!
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Blackrock Bob on March 18, 2008, 04:49:12 PM
I think the Kelvin is alive movement is growing,

He is

Alive
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: BobBX542 on March 19, 2008, 11:05:19 AM
I think the Kelvin is alive movement is growing,

He is

Alive

And we all know that you're wrong,

He is

Not
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: laklost on March 19, 2008, 03:46:28 PM
I think the Kelvin is alive movement is growing,

He is

Alive

And we all know that you're wrong,

He is

Not

This post looks like the ants in my kitchen.  :-\ :D
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: BobBX542 on March 19, 2008, 04:47:45 PM
I think the Kelvin is alive movement is growing,

He is

Alive

And we all know that you're wrong,

He is

Not

This post looks like the ants in my kitchen.  :-\ :D

then those ants don't look like Kelvin, because he is dead, and if the ants are moving, they must be alive, so you can see how the ants and Kelvin are different. Ants=alive, Kelvin=Dead.






Kelvin's dead.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: laklost on March 19, 2008, 04:55:43 PM
I think the Kelvin is alive movement is growing,

He is

Alive

And we all know that you're wrong,

He is

Not

This post looks like the ants in my kitchen.  :-\ :D

then those ants don't look like Kelvin, because he is dead, and if the ants are moving, they must be alive, so you can see how the ants and Kelvin are different. Ants=alive, Kelvin=Dead.






Kelvin's dead.

Whoa.  You're a realist.  :)
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: BobBX542 on March 19, 2008, 04:58:17 PM
Just held firm in my belief that a man whos head gets bashed apart by a rock is dead is all.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: BobBX542 on March 19, 2008, 04:59:15 PM
That, and my job sucks, so I get to do this all day. I think that all of my posts are between the hours of 8:00am and 4:00 pm, except for a few.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: thebeann on March 19, 2008, 05:40:55 PM
Just held firm in my belief that a man whos head gets bashed apart by a rock is dead is all.

Do...NOT...bring...common sense...and....reason...into....the....discussion.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Blackrock Bob on March 19, 2008, 08:59:26 PM
Just held firm in my belief that a man whos head gets bashed apart by a rock is dead is all.

His head wasn't bashed apart by a rock. I've watched that part a dozen times.
Des checks Kelvin and notices that Kelvin's head is bleeding.

If Des bashed his head in, I don't think I would believe that Kelvin could be alive.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: laklost on March 19, 2008, 09:55:55 PM
Just held firm in my belief that a man whos head gets bashed apart by a rock is dead is all.

His head wasn't bashed apart by a rock. I've watched that part a dozen times.
Des checks Kelvin and notices that Kelvin's head is bleeding.

If Des bashed his head in, I don't think I would believe that Kelvin could be alive.

 ??? ??? ???
Stay with us!
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: BobBX542 on March 20, 2008, 10:52:57 AM
So, just to clarify, when I say "bashed in" I don't mean like braveheart bashed in, or anything graphic, but you can not deny the fact that Desmond picked up a big rock, lifted it over his head, and then bashed it down on Kelvin's head.

So, as I was going to say before I went through that...


Just held firm in my belief that a man whos head gets bashed apart by a rock is dead is all.

His head wasn't bashed apart by a rock. I've watched that part a dozen times.
Des checks Kelvin and notices that Kelvin's head is bleeding.

If Des bashed his head in, I don't think I would believe that Kelvin could be alive.

But he did, and you do. Kelvin is dead.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: LostAndSeek on March 20, 2008, 12:36:22 PM
I think Kelvin is dead but I don't remember it quite that way. They were struggling and Kelvin hit his head on a rock, no? It was an accident.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Blackrock Bob on March 20, 2008, 02:52:34 PM
So, just to clarify, when I say "bashed in" I don't mean like braveheart bashed in, or anything graphic, but you can not deny the fact that Desmond picked up a big rock, lifted it over his head, and then bashed it down on Kelvin's head.

So, as I was going to say before I went through that...


Just held firm in my belief that a man whos head gets bashed apart by a rock is dead is all.

His head wasn't bashed apart by a rock. I've watched that part a dozen times.
Des checks Kelvin and notices that Kelvin's head is bleeding.

If Des bashed his head in, I don't think I would believe that Kelvin could be alive.

But he did, and you do. Kelvin is dead.

Desmond DID NOT take a rock and bash in Kelvins head. Des grabbed Kelvin and Kelvin tripped and fell on a rock.
Desmond was shocked that Kelvin's head was bleeding.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: blueeyed2200 on March 20, 2008, 04:05:57 PM
Are there really that many people that are this interested in Kelvin Inman??  Good Lord!! 61 pages of posts??  Was his character really that interesting??  I mean . . yes he is dynamic to the whole Des/Sayid story.   BUT, what would be the advantage of him being alive?? 
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: LostAndSeek on March 20, 2008, 04:09:57 PM
It gave us something to obsess about over those long summer and fall months.  ;)
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: blueeyed2200 on March 20, 2008, 04:13:52 PM
LOL . . . I get it . . . still fairly new to this and I am already freakin hooked!!  Whatever will we talk about during the hiatus??
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Blackrock Bob on March 20, 2008, 04:20:52 PM
LOL . . . I get it . . . still fairly new to this and I am already freakin hooked!!  Whatever will we talk about during the hiatus??

Kelvin has became something for us to argue about. We kind of ran the Christian is alive to death.
We killed MPUs and pretty much put Time Travel to bed.

We could still be debating why Nikki and Paulo were supposed to be iconic, but as soon as they died we let that topic stay dead.

We need something to debate, and I don't want to debate which couple is the real romance...
We all know that's Des and Penny...
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: BobBX542 on March 20, 2008, 04:22:44 PM
So, just to clarify, when I say "bashed in" I don't mean like braveheart bashed in, or anything graphic, but you can not deny the fact that Desmond picked up a big rock, lifted it over his head, and then bashed it down on Kelvin's head.

So, as I was going to say before I went through that...


Just held firm in my belief that a man whos head gets bashed apart by a rock is dead is all.

His head wasn't bashed apart by a rock. I've watched that part a dozen times.
Des checks Kelvin and notices that Kelvin's head is bleeding.

If Des bashed his head in, I don't think I would believe that Kelvin could be alive.

But he did, and you do. Kelvin is dead.

Desmond DID NOT take a rock and bash in Kelvins head. Des grabbed Kelvin and Kelvin tripped and fell on a rock.
Desmond was shocked that Kelvin's head was bleeding.


Okay, totally my bad, I got that confused, I will submit to that BRB. I have been defeated in my clever game, but that does not change the fact that Kelvin is dead, because he is.

Dead that is.

Are there really that many people that are this interested in Kelvin Inman??  Good Lord!! 61 pages of posts??  Was his character really that interesting??  I mean . . yes he is dynamic to the whole Des/Sayid story.   BUT, what would be the advantage of him being alive?? 

To answer your question, no there really aren't that many people interested, just like me and three other people. Me and Blackrock Bob have been getting into it, as you can see above, and he won battle, but not the war. YOU HEAR THAT BRB?!?!

LOL . . . I get it . . . still fairly new to this and I am already freakin hooked!!  Whatever will we talk about during the hiatus??

This.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: PrincessLeia on March 20, 2008, 04:25:43 PM
This thread is my constant.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: BobBX542 on March 20, 2008, 04:29:19 PM
This thread is my constant.

It's great isn't it??
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Blackrock Bob on March 20, 2008, 04:31:21 PM

I also think Kelvin COULD be alive. On this show, unless you see them bury someone, I don't think it is safe to say they are dead. You have to remember Kelvin was a CIA op. He could have been playing Des.

I wanted to quote myself to prove that I didn't start out believing that Kelvin was alive. Only a possibility.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: gjohnson on March 20, 2008, 04:31:45 PM
Uh, there's at least one other person who thinks there's a distinct possibility Kelvin is alive and possibly working for Ben...
Er, make that another
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: PrincessLeia on March 20, 2008, 04:32:36 PM
Uh, there's at least one other person who thinks there's a distinct possibility Kelvin is alive and possibly working for Ben...
Oh no...that was just another of BlackrockBob's accounts.








jk ;D
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Blackrock Bob on March 20, 2008, 04:34:23 PM
I know Des8 thinks Kelvin is alive. I'm pretty sure there are at least 4 other people that think he's alive.
And they aren't all my accounts.  :P
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: PrincessLeia on March 20, 2008, 04:37:09 PM
I know Des8 thinks Kelvin is alive. I'm pretty sure there are at least 4 other people that think he's alive.
And they aren't all my accounts.  :P
We *heart* BlackrockBob! ;D

I'm pretty sure GJ believes he's alive. 
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: BobBX542 on March 20, 2008, 04:44:00 PM

I also think Kelvin COULD be alive. On this show, unless you see them bury someone, I don't think it is safe to say they are dead. You have to remember Kelvin was a CIA op. He could have been playing Des.

I wanted to quote myself to prove that I didn't start out believing that Kelvin was alive. Only a possibility.

I believed you the whole time man, and to be honest, even if you had flip flopped 100 times, I'm still having fun. Plus, I'm not the type of guy that will rub it in when I'm proven right, just having fun.

Uh, there's at least one other person who thinks there's a distinct possibility Kelvin is alive and possibly working for Ben...
Er, make that another

The numbers I quoted were what I like to call sarcasm. That's why I hate this computer thingy. It's so hard to translate that.

I know Des8 thinks Kelvin is alive. I'm pretty sure there are at least 4 other people that think he's alive.
And they aren't all my accounts.  :P
We *heart* BlackrockBob! ;D

I'm pretty sure GJ believes he's alive. 

He's been putting up with me pretty well, so he can't be all that bad.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Blackrock Bob on March 20, 2008, 04:52:49 PM

I believed you the whole time man, and to be honest, even if you had flip flopped 100 times, I'm still having fun. Plus, I'm not the type of guy that will rub it in when I'm proven right, just having fun.


He's been putting up with me pretty well, so he can't be all that bad.

There will be plenty of people that will rub it in if Kelvin doesn't show up. Feel free to take a number.  ;)

I felt stronger that Christian was alive than Kelvin, but that was proven wrong. I can take a joke.  :)
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: relient k on March 20, 2008, 04:56:17 PM
Omg, hes dead, drop it.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: BobBX542 on March 20, 2008, 04:57:37 PM
There will be plenty of people that will rub it in if Kelvin doesn't show up. Feel free to take a number.  ;)

I felt stronger that Christian was alive than Kelvin, but that was proven wrong. I can take a joke.  :)

Yeah, but that's being a bad sport. Not my game man. Alright, I'm out of here for the day, have a good'un people.

Omg, hes dead, drop it.

It's not that simple. I mean it is, because he's totally dead, but it's more fun to do it this way.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Ladybug on March 22, 2008, 12:30:33 AM
i still believe.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Cardacct on March 24, 2008, 02:12:42 AM
i still believe.

WooHoo!  Me too.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: relient k on March 25, 2008, 04:54:25 PM
Good for you.

I think hes dead... he was the most unimportant character in this entire show.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: BobBX542 on March 26, 2008, 04:38:30 PM
Good for you.

I think hes dead... he was the most unimportant character in this entire show.

Good man, GOOD MAN.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: hatch4815162342 on March 28, 2008, 11:55:52 PM
i like the actor though he plays the part well......
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: JBRam on April 01, 2008, 07:40:34 PM
Page 62 and still dead.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Asmodean on April 01, 2008, 10:19:25 PM
That reminds me...haven't seen Blackrock Bob in a while.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: PrincessLeia on April 01, 2008, 10:24:03 PM
He's on hiatus till we have new shows. :(
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Asmodean on April 01, 2008, 10:33:35 PM
Oh.  That's a good idea.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: PrincessLeia on April 01, 2008, 10:41:08 PM
Some people have to stay away or they go insane! lol  Some will take the entire summer off.  I don't see how they do it!
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Asmodean on April 01, 2008, 10:45:05 PM
I never knew to look in the off topic store during the summer.  The top posts didn't change much so I figured everybody took off.
Back in the olden days.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: PrincessLeia on April 02, 2008, 02:33:48 PM
He's gone again? ??? :'( ??? :'( ???
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Ladybug on April 02, 2008, 02:41:53 PM
He's gone again? ??? :'( ??? :'( ???
dude.  what's up with that?!?!
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: BobBX542 on April 02, 2008, 02:57:24 PM
Who Kelvin?? Yeah he was gone as soon as he died.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: PrincessLeia on April 02, 2008, 02:58:16 PM
Anyone think Blackrock Bob may still be alive? :-[
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: JBRam on April 02, 2008, 04:48:17 PM
p63 and both Kelvin & BRBob are dead.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Asmodean on April 02, 2008, 05:45:15 PM
Did he have a constant?
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Ladybug on April 03, 2008, 10:56:22 AM
Did he have a constant?
only this site.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Asmodean on April 03, 2008, 11:26:53 AM
Now he's lost.

*moment of silence*
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: BobBX542 on April 03, 2008, 12:03:07 PM
I think BRB got tired of me on here. HA!!
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: PrincessLeia on April 03, 2008, 12:42:43 PM
I think BRB got tired of me on here. HA!!
Yeah- it's all fun & games till somebody loses an eye deletes their account.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: BobBX542 on April 03, 2008, 01:38:44 PM
I think BRB got tired of me on here. HA!!
Yeah- it's all fun & games till somebody loses an eye deletes their account.

Oh damn, he deleted his whole account?? I didn't mean for that to happen.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Ladybug on April 03, 2008, 01:40:29 PM
I think BRB got tired of me on here. HA!!
Yeah- it's all fun & games till somebody loses an eye deletes their account.

Oh damn, he deleted his whole account?? I didn't mean for that to happen.
yep.  he did, but it's not the first time.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: PrincessLeia on April 03, 2008, 02:32:47 PM
I think BRB got tired of me on here. HA!!
Yeah- it's all fun & games till somebody loses an eye deletes their account.

Oh damn, he deleted his whole account?? I didn't mean for that to happen.
jk! :D  No worries.  He'll be back. :)
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: JBRam on April 03, 2008, 04:55:52 PM
I think BRB got tired of me on here. HA!!
Yeah- it's all fun & games till somebody loses an eye deletes their account.

Oh damn, he deleted his whole account?? I didn't mean for that to happen.
jk! :D  No worries.  He'll be back. :)
He does it every hiatus.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Asmodean on April 03, 2008, 07:12:20 PM
Does he always use the same name?
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Staggerlee on April 03, 2008, 08:09:31 PM
I liked BRB...he didn't look at me funny the some others do..... ;D
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: PrincessLeia on April 03, 2008, 08:41:27 PM
He has had a few different screen names.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Asmodean on April 03, 2008, 09:06:17 PM
I'm gonna go register a BRB and KJI with a pirate flag...
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: JBRam on April 06, 2008, 07:54:19 PM
p 64 and still dead.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Asmodean on April 06, 2008, 07:59:07 PM
That's crazy talk!
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: JBRam on April 06, 2008, 08:02:26 PM
It is truth!
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Ladybug on April 06, 2008, 08:49:08 PM
still alive.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: JBRam on April 06, 2008, 09:10:18 PM
Dead as a doornail. Even though a doornail is hardly representative of death. More like dead as a coffin nail.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: BobBX542 on April 07, 2008, 10:47:49 AM
Dead as a doornail. Even though a doornail is hardly representative of death. More like dead as a coffin nail.

you know, I wondered about the "dead as a door nail" thing a few pages ago. Like, why does it have to be a door nail?? And can I go into a home depot and ask them to show me the door nails?? I think I'm going to start saying dead as a kelvin, because you and me, same thought...KELVIN IS DEAD!!!
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Asmodean on April 07, 2008, 11:47:17 AM
I'm with ya!

"He's dead Jim!"
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: jugdish on April 07, 2008, 02:16:04 PM
I wish they would just show his decaying corpse so this discussion would end.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: BobBX542 on April 07, 2008, 03:00:54 PM
I wish they would just show his decaying corpse so this discussion would end.

Why must you kill my fun??
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: JBRam on April 07, 2008, 05:20:21 PM
I wish they would just show his decaying corpse so this discussion would end.
That would be handy.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Staggerlee on April 07, 2008, 05:25:18 PM
he is alive.....*sniff*...in my HEART!!!....








and those Burger King commercials.



HIGHLANDERRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: JBRam on April 07, 2008, 05:26:20 PM
I got it. Kelvin is under the King costume!
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Staggerlee on April 07, 2008, 06:27:31 PM
and if my hazy, cheese cloth like memory serves,  he's in a very Dharma like construction worker out fit wondering in amazement at some new huge burger....

he's also been spotted in a Mr. Krabs outfit....hmmmmmmmm Spongebob/Lost tie in....hmmmmmmmm?
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: JBRam on April 08, 2008, 12:11:28 AM
Page 65 and still dead.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Asmodean on April 08, 2008, 12:18:19 AM
11:17 PM East coast.

Still dead.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: BobBX542 on April 08, 2008, 11:02:35 AM
Indeed, still dead.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Asmodean on April 08, 2008, 11:03:51 AM
CNN Headline News just reported.  He's still dead.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: JBRam on April 08, 2008, 12:53:42 PM
Well, if CNN says it, it must be true.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Staggerlee on April 08, 2008, 01:17:19 PM
Bill O'Reilly reported a sighting...
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Asmodean on April 08, 2008, 01:18:42 PM
Uh oh!  Dang it.  Where's Blackrock Bob when we need him?
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Ladybug on April 08, 2008, 01:23:46 PM
i miss brb.  he makes me feel less crazy.  y'all are mean.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: PrincessLeia on April 08, 2008, 01:24:46 PM
i miss brb.  he makes me feel less crazy.  y'all are mean.
I miss him, too!!! :'(
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: laklost on April 08, 2008, 03:05:57 PM
*passing by, shaking my head in awe of a thread on this topic 65 pages long*
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: JBRam on April 08, 2008, 03:14:37 PM
*passing by, shaking my head in awe of a thread on this topic 65 pages long*
It will just get longer.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Staggerlee on April 08, 2008, 03:24:29 PM
*psst**whisper* in my usu. disguise, propeller beany, plaid pleather lederhosen, neon mesh tank top, walking amongst the traders outside the CBOT, I bumped into....Kelvin...have been tailing him for days....do not think he suspected a thing...just uttered some obscene suggestion and I scurried off to the alley to post from my Handy Dandy portable, made all the more easy by the downtown take over of Barrista Academies AKA Starbucks.....*whew*  almost caught......will work on bettering my surveillance technique....
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: laklost on April 08, 2008, 03:26:02 PM
*psst**whisper* in my usu. disguise, propeller beany, plaid pleather lederhosen, neon mesh tank top, walking amongst the traders outside the CBOT, I bumped into....Kelvin...have been tailing him for days....do not think he suspected a thing...just uttered some obscene suggestion and I scurried off to the alley to post from my Handy Dandy portable, made all the more easy by the downtown take over of Barrista Academies AKA Starbucks.....*whew*  almost caught......will work on bettering my surveillance technique....

You sure are sneaky.  And you make me laugh out loud!  :D
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: JBRam on April 08, 2008, 03:45:04 PM
*psst**whisper* in my usu. disguise, propeller beany, plaid pleather lederhosen, neon mesh tank top, walking amongst the traders outside the CBOT, I bumped into....Kelvin...have been tailing him for days....do not think he suspected a thing...just uttered some obscene suggestion and I scurried off to the alley to post from my Handy Dandy portable, made all the more easy by the downtown take over of Barrista Academies AKA Starbucks.....*whew*  almost caught......will work on bettering my surveillance technique....
Hint... Think Trench coat.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: laklost on April 08, 2008, 03:47:31 PM
Where did Stagger go?  I was ready to play!
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: JBRam on April 08, 2008, 03:52:54 PM
Page 66 and still dead.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Staggerlee on April 08, 2008, 04:33:46 PM
Where did Stagger go?  I was ready to play!

ran to another alley...borrowed D. Osmond's trench coat from some weber / rice stage show he was in...really colourful one too this coat is....not sure about the blending in though.....
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: PrincessLeia on April 08, 2008, 05:24:50 PM
*psst**whisper* in my usu. disguise, propeller beany, plaid pleather lederhosen, neon mesh tank top, walking amongst the traders outside the CBOT, I bumped into....Kelvin...have been tailing him for days....do not think he suspected a thing...just uttered some obscene suggestion and I scurried off to the alley to post from my Handy Dandy portable, made all the more easy by the downtown take over of Barrista Academies AKA Starbucks.....*whew*  almost caught......will work on bettering my surveillance technique....
Hint... Think Trench coat.
Now why would he do that, JB?  He's trying to be inconspicuous!  Next time, wear the glow stick necklaces. 8)
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: laklost on April 08, 2008, 06:47:37 PM
Where did Stagger go?  I was ready to play!

ran to another alley...borrowed D. Osmond's trench coat from some weber / rice stage show he was in...really colourful one too this coat is....not sure about the blending in though.....

You have the amazing technicolor dreamcoat?! I wondered who ended up with that.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Staggerlee on April 08, 2008, 07:07:42 PM
he he he... ;D

more kevin kline in fish called wanda....with all the odd fetishisms in tact.....  :D


I've so many glow stick necklaces I look like a Padaung woman in a Hunter Thompson hallucination....Kelvin will never see this walking atrocity of
vagrant mannerisms and misplaced societal altruistic obscenity coming at him.....


head 'em up, move 'em on out Rough Riders, Young Guns, we gotta git 'fore ol' milio estevez thinks he's cool enough to ride with us again......



gotta go peel some taters for dinner.....
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: laklost on April 08, 2008, 07:10:57 PM
I totally forgot I haven't finished cooking yet!
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Gar O Mac on April 08, 2008, 07:28:16 PM
I totally forgot I haven't finished cooking yet!

Well get on the ball woman, I'm hungry.  :D
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: laklost on April 08, 2008, 08:00:06 PM
I totally forgot I haven't finished cooking yet!

Well get on the ball woman, I'm hungry.  :D

We had salmon, couscous, and asparagus.  And homemade brownies.  Was it yummy?  Oh, yeaaah!
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Gar O Mac on April 08, 2008, 08:02:19 PM
I totally forgot I haven't finished cooking yet!

Well get on the ball woman, I'm hungry.  :D

We had salmon, couscous, and asparagus.  And homemade brownies.  Was it yummy?  Oh, yeaaah!

Awe man! All I had was a corn dog.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: JBRam on April 08, 2008, 08:17:13 PM
I totally forgot I haven't finished cooking yet!

Well get on the ball woman, I'm hungry.  :D

We had salmon, couscous, and asparagus.  And homemade brownies.  Was it yummy?  Oh, yeaaah!
HOMEADE WHAT?! I want some!!!
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: laklost on April 08, 2008, 08:25:15 PM
I totally forgot I haven't finished cooking yet!

Well get on the ball woman, I'm hungry.  :D

We had salmon, couscous, and asparagus.  And homemade brownies.  Was it yummy?  Oh, yeaaah!

Awe man! All I had was a corn dog.

Corn dog!  Out, processed foods.  You should drive up for salmon.  :)
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: PrincessLeia on April 08, 2008, 08:31:19 PM
I'm making salmon for dinner too!  Wow....the Lost connections are everywhere.


Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: JBRam on April 08, 2008, 08:34:27 PM
I want taco night. :-\
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: PrincessLeia on April 08, 2008, 08:35:12 PM
I want taco night. :-\
*biting lip*

I can't....

Must hold back.....










THAT'S WHAT SHE SAID.
 ;D
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: JBRam on April 08, 2008, 08:37:22 PM
I want taco night. :-\
*biting lip*

I can't....

Must hold back.....


THAT'S WHAT SHE SAID.
 ;D
The corruption is complete. Welcome to the Dark Side.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: PrincessLeia on April 08, 2008, 08:38:30 PM
I need to go resurrect the bus thread. ;D
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: JBRam on April 08, 2008, 08:39:48 PM
Page 67 and still dead.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: JBRam on April 08, 2008, 08:40:15 PM
I need to go resurrect the bus thread. ;D
That was a fun thread... Welcome to the bus!
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Gar O Mac on April 08, 2008, 08:41:35 PM
Do I want to know what the Bus thread was?
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: PrincessLeia on April 08, 2008, 08:43:01 PM
http://lost.cubit.net/forum/index.php?topic=3084.0
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Staggerlee on April 08, 2008, 09:34:37 PM
*psssst...I think I've got him cornered in the Baton Club here in Chicago....but my camera battery died........



i'd say..."That's what she said" here...but be darned if I can figure out if the she's are she's.......
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Gar O Mac on April 08, 2008, 09:37:17 PM
I hate when that happens
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: JBRam on April 09, 2008, 12:18:37 AM
I hate when that happens
In bed.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Gar O Mac on April 09, 2008, 12:23:31 AM
I'm not going to lie to ya, that was a good one.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: JBRam on April 09, 2008, 12:24:48 AM
1000 posts and Kelvin is still dead.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Gar O Mac on April 09, 2008, 12:37:08 AM
I never really thought about him not being dead till today, but now I'm thinking it could happen.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: JBRam on April 09, 2008, 12:41:58 AM
I never really thought about him not being dead till today, but now I'm thinking it could happen.
No!!! Come back to the light!
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Gar O Mac on April 09, 2008, 12:45:19 AM
I never really thought about him not being dead till today, but now I'm thinking it could happen.
No!!! Come back to the light!

I'm not saying it's definitely going to happen, but now that I think about it, I wouldn't be to surprised if it did. You have to admit stranger things have happened on LOST.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: JBRam on April 09, 2008, 12:49:18 AM
I never really thought about him not being dead till today, but now I'm thinking it could happen.
No!!! Come back to the light!

I'm not saying it's definitely going to happen, but now that I think about it, I wouldn't be to surprised if it did. You have to admit stranger things have happened on LOST.
I personally can't think of one. ;) LOST is all logical!
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Gar O Mac on April 09, 2008, 01:02:03 AM
I never really thought about him not being dead till today, but now I'm thinking it could happen.
No!!! Come back to the light!

I'm not saying it's definitely going to happen, but now that I think about it, I wouldn't be to surprised if it did. You have to admit stranger things have happened on LOST.
I personally can't think of one. ;) LOST is all logical!

And next week all the people in the barracks are going over to Sawyer's to play D&D
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: JBRam on April 09, 2008, 01:03:18 AM
Page 68 and he's still dead.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Gar O Mac on April 09, 2008, 01:08:46 AM
Have you done that on every page?
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: JBRam on April 09, 2008, 01:16:37 AM
Not quite ;)
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Asmodean on April 09, 2008, 08:30:39 AM
Is Kelvin really Sasquatch?
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: JBRam on April 09, 2008, 12:50:47 PM
Is Kelvin really Sasquatch?
No.

He's the Loch Ness Monster.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: jugdish on April 09, 2008, 01:28:11 PM
The discussion on this topic appears to have run its course. If the topic comes up on the show, the thread will be unlocked.

We have the community lounge for being silly.
Title: Kelvin is Alive
Post by: Desmond8MyPopRocks on December 09, 2008, 02:21:41 PM
Hello sportsfans...fans and haters of me alike:

Kelvin is still alive.  What we thought we saw in reality occurred in a different timeframe than that of which we were shown during Desmond's episode detailing how he done the deed (killing Kelvin).

The question is still out there:  Kelvin or Joe Inman?  Were they twins, or just brothers living in different times/circumstances?  What are the chances that Joe Inman would be a spook who promulgated Sayid's career choice to become a torturer?

Kelvin is still alive. I'm planting my flag in the sand on this one--and have for the last four years.  I know Black Rock Bob agrees with me.  And for my dear sweet Juggie--don't even think of locking this topic up.  You'll see, darlin, I'm right.

Just like I was right about the Hatch and Desmond's mural.  Wait and see ;)

Kelvin is Alive Cheers ;)
*Des8
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: jugdish on December 09, 2008, 02:52:50 PM
I even put it back with the orginal topic. If it goes back to the silly stuff it gets locked until we have an answer!!! (I can be tough when I have to)

Great to hear from Des again. Thought you were done with us for sure!!

They could very likely be the same person, one with an assumed name. An ex spook may want to go by another name.

I do not believe that the hatch theory is true either. It sure has not been proven to be true yet. We will see what has happened to the island when it disappeared, Did it travel back in time? Maybe, only time will tell.

great to have you back.

Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: LostinLock on December 09, 2008, 04:06:51 PM
I just watched this last night and one might think he could be alive, based on the fact that we do not know if he was buried.  the back of his head was bleeding but des runs back to the hatch where he is experiencing the meltdown that causes the crash and alerts penny.

Also he did admit he was a spook and had left the army. 

So, we shall see, but hopefully this one is dead and left for dead :P  Sorry he appeared to have served his purpose. ;D
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Desmond8MyPopRocks on December 09, 2008, 04:12:39 PM
I even put it back with the orginal topic. If it goes back to the silly stuff it gets locked until we have an answer!!! (I can be tough when I have to)

Great to hear from Des again. Thought you were done with us for sure!!

They could very likely be the same person, one with an assumed name. An ex spook may want to go by another name.

I do not believe that the hatch theory is true either. It sure has not been proven to be true yet. We will see what has happened to the island when it disappeared, Did it travel back in time? Maybe, only time will tell.

great to have you back.


My sweet Juggie: have I told you today how much I love you?  OK, well there's a reason for that.  heh.

Wrong again, my sweet Juggie about the hatch.  If anything proved my theory about the ever changing hatch, it was S4 that did it, particularly the finale.  I have been telling you for years that what we are shown is not exactly in sequential time...hence the ever changing mural in the Hatch and WHY it wasn't only Desmond we saw in the Hatch of the S2E1 opener "make your own kind of music."  What confirms this as of late?  Consider this if you will, cowboy:

In S2E1 we are shown someone in the hatch, yet it is two distinctly different people.  If you pause the epi at the stationary cycle scene where we see the face reflection, it's JACK'S, not Desmond's.  Why is this important?

It's important because our characters are doomed or destined to play out eachother's roles in life--switch to the last freighter scene of the S4 finale.  You never actually SEE Jin blow up with the freighter, although Jin performs the EXACT same arm-flailing as Desmond did a few scenes before.  We're being shown the finale of two different scenarios in two different points of time.

Why does this occur?  Not sure yet, but it's for certain that's what's happening.  Go back and rewatch the entire show--and you'll be surprised at what you see.  Even in Pilot, we're seeing different points of time intertwined with what we think is happening now.

Chew on that and I'll put together the rest of what I've come up with since last season.  To me, it's as clear as fog ;)

Who loves ya, Juggie?
darlin cheers
*Des8
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: jugdish on December 09, 2008, 05:15:01 PM
I am very aware of your hatch theory and it is fantastically thought out and researched. I am just not 100% convinced of it yet. I am much closer to it now then I ever have been. I believe that the island has not disappeared but gone back in time to when dharma was on the island. There is some slightly spoilerish stuff that supports this theory. (so I can't mention it here)

So if they go back to that time period, Kelvin could still be alive and Jack could be running the hatch. Who knows, maybe Jack, Kate and baby aaron are making a nice little island life for themselves circa 1980's.

And Des, I know you love me
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Desmond8MyPopRocks on December 09, 2008, 05:52:47 PM
Well, I was lying when I said I loved you.  What I really meant was, "can you do my laundry, cook my meals and clean my house--but you can't walk my Jack Russell Terrier?"  *snicker

Juggie: 

Hurley will end up being one of the keys to the show--it wouldn't surprise me if the entire plot ends up revolving around him.  We should've seen it coming.  He was so inconsequential in the beginning....  I think I've already figured out how it happened, but I want to know how the Oceanic Six return.  More importantly, I want to know about Aaron.  Read my semi-idea at DebDeb's site about the plotline.

I don't love you, you're a dork cheers
*Des8
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: LostinLock on December 09, 2008, 07:45:35 PM
I will give you that it does have a look like Jack, but to base a whole theory on a less than a minute frame.

Well, we shall see  ::)

As for Hurley we must remember he had the numbers in his head!  Leonard gave them to him and that is well, another story ;)
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: laklost on December 09, 2008, 11:36:39 PM
AAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Staggerlee on December 10, 2008, 12:06:18 AM
Lakkie, I second and third your statement *gavel bangs* Bring this thread to a close....





i do want to believe too though...hehehehe
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Desmond8MyPopRocks on December 10, 2008, 03:50:32 AM
I will give you that it does have a look like Jack, but to base a whole theory on a less than a minute frame.

Well, we shall see  ::)

As for Hurley we must remember he had the numbers in his head!  Leonard gave them to him and that is well, another story ;)
liL
Um, are you for real?  Did you really just type that response to me?  That's funny.

You don't have to "give" me anything.  I'm selfish--I take what I want, when I want.  But that was cute, in an ever so unsuspecting way.

LOLOL  base a theory on a minute frame. 

welcome to Lostdome cheers
*Des8
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: LostinLock on December 10, 2008, 04:13:09 AM
I heard that there is a more fleshed out version of your theory on the threads, with pictures. So when I have a chance I will read it.

We all have our theories and I try to be open minded, whilst others just provide the daily chuckle or scratching the head.  ;D

A woman of Science or Faith, a little of both when it comes to LOST ;D

BTW, Matthew Fox eye color is brown.  That is also another thing I did check and also the person in that shot has no tattoes on his shoulders.  Just pointing out that whomever this individual is lacks two essentials of Jack.  If they were playing with contact lens well so be it.  But the eye that opened was green not brown. 

I played that clip over and over and will also agree it appears to be Desmond like, I would not place all bets it is Desmond.   ;)  I was thinking Faraday, but this person was to heavy.  Then I thought it was Hurley after he had been locked in there for a long time.

Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Desmond8MyPopRocks on December 10, 2008, 05:13:04 AM
I heard that there is a more fleshed out version of your theory on the threads, with pictures. So when I have a chance I will read it.

We all have our theories and I try to be open minded, whilst others just provide the daily chuckle or scratching the head.  ;D

A woman of Science or Faith, a little of both when it comes to LOST ;D

BTW, Matthew Fox eye color is brown.  That is also another thing I did check and also the person in that shot has no tattoes on his shoulders.  Just pointing out that whomever this individual is lacks two essentials of Jack.  If they were playing with contact lens well so be it.  But the eye that opened was green not brown. 

I played that clip over and over and will also agree it appears to be Desmond like, I would not place all bets it is Desmond.   ;)  I was thinking Faraday, but this person was to heavy.  Then I thought it was Hurley after he had been locked in there for a long time.


Now you're thinking...
Nice call on Jack's eyes, but are they really brown?  His eye isn't brown in the first frame of Pilot, although we know from his youth that he has natural brown eyes.  They change colors throughout the seasons, as do most of our Losties' eye colors.  You can even include Ethan in that one.  Of particular note is Charlie, as well.  So do the eyes change colors depending on how many times they've been to the Island, or to their disposition of being "good people" or "bad people?"

Jack's tatoos change over the seasons we've seen, giving us a point of reference that again, what you think you are viewing in actual time is not time as we know it, rather a sequence of events of various times. 

I like the way you think.  Keep posting your ideas... and welcome to SWLS.  It's time for the rubber to hit the road.  Don't be shy, throw whatever speculation you may have out there.  It's a pleasure to read a well thought out post.

Woman of Science/Woman of Faith cheers!
*Des8
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Desmond8MyPopRocks on December 10, 2008, 05:13:29 AM
and PS) Kelvin is still alive.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Ladybug on December 10, 2008, 11:09:35 AM
I am very aware of your hatch theory and it is fantastically thought out and researched. I am just not 100% convinced of it yet. I am much closer to it now then I ever have been. I believe that the island has not disappeared but gone back in time to when dharma was on the island. There is some slightly spoilerish stuff that supports this theory. (so I can't mention it here)
So if they go back to that time period, Kelvin could still be alive and Jack could be running the hatch. Who knows, maybe Jack, Kate and baby aaron are making a nice little island life for themselves circa 1980's.

And Des, I know you love me
have you fallen of the wagon?  are you reading spoilers now?  bad juggy.
Well, I was lying when I said I loved you.  What I really meant was, "can you do my laundry, cook my meals and clean my house--but you can't walk my Jack Russell Terrier?"  *snicker

Juggie: 

Hurley will end up being one of the keys to the show--it wouldn't surprise me if the entire plot ends up revolving around him.  We should've seen it coming.  He was so inconsequential in the beginning....  I think I've already figured out how it happened, but I want to know how the Oceanic Six return.  More importantly, I want to know about Aaron.  Read my semi-idea at DebDeb's site about the plotline.

I don't love you, you're a dork cheers
*Des8
i think hurley is a VERY important part of the show.  he only seemed inconsequential in the beginning.  but i also believe that locke & jack (specifically) are extremely important.  locke because of his "spiritual" connection to the island and jack because of his physical connection to christian (who is still alive btw).
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Ladybug on December 10, 2008, 11:12:07 AM
I heard that there is a more fleshed out version of your theory on the threads, with pictures. So when I have a chance I will read it.

We all have our theories and I try to be open minded, whilst others just provide the daily chuckle or scratching the head.  ;D

A woman of Science or Faith, a little of both when it comes to LOST ;D

BTW, Matthew Fox eye color is brown.  That is also another thing I did check and also the person in that shot has no tattoes on his shoulders.  Just pointing out that whomever this individual is lacks two essentials of Jack.  If they were playing with contact lens well so be it.  But the eye that opened was green not brown. 

I played that clip over and over and will also agree it appears to be Desmond like, I would not place all bets it is Desmond.   ;)  I was thinking Faraday, but this person was to heavy.  Then I thought it was Hurley after he had been locked in there for a long time.


Now you're thinking...
Nice call on Jack's eyes, but are they really brown?  His eye isn't brown in the first frame of Pilot, although we know from his youth that he has natural brown eyes.  They change colors throughout the seasons, as do most of our Losties' eye colors.  You can even include Ethan in that one.  Of particular note is Charlie, as well.  So do the eyes change colors depending on how many times they've been to the Island, or to their disposition of being "good people" or "bad people?"

Jack's tatoos change over the seasons we've seen, giving us a point of reference that again, what you think you are viewing in actual time is not time as we know it, rather a sequence of events of various times. 

I like the way you think.  Keep posting your ideas... and welcome to SWLS.  It's time for the rubber to hit the road.  Don't be shy, throw whatever speculation you may have out there.  It's a pleasure to read a well thought out post.

Woman of Science/Woman of Faith cheers!
*Des8
2 of my favorites collide!  yay!!  i enjoy reading what you both read, so i'm excited to read about the interaction between you two. 
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Ladybug on December 10, 2008, 11:12:30 AM
ps.  i think kelvin is alive too.  and christian.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: jugdish on December 10, 2008, 11:36:30 AM
Hey Des,
If the theories are so good, post them here. I don't cheat on SWLS. Never go to that other site.

lets seem them here and we will prove you wrong or right
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: LostinLock on December 10, 2008, 12:31:50 PM
Gee LB I didn't know I was a fav poster, thank you for the compliment.  Collide well that is an interesting word to use! 

I adore challenges ;D

Juggy glad you are not a cheater ;D
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: JBRam on December 10, 2008, 01:15:32 PM
Sorry Juggy, but I have to do it.

Page 69 and Kelvin is still dead.

Des, I love your theories, although I don't think I've ever agreed with a single one. :D

Personally, I haven't noticed any eye color changing except in the S3 poster. If any color changing has happened, I would assume it is the filter they use on the camera or in post-production. I don't believe that the actors have a set of color contacts that they have to put in each day...
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: LostinLock on December 10, 2008, 05:31:26 PM
Sorry Juggy, but I have to do it.

Page 69 and Kelvin is still dead.

Des, I love your theories, although I don't think I've ever agreed with a single one. :D

Personally, I haven't noticed any eye color changing except in the S3 poster. If any color changing has happened, I would assume it is the filter they use on the camera or in post-production. I don't believe that the actors have a set of color contacts that they have to put in each day...

JB you make me laugh  :D
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: LostinLock on December 10, 2008, 09:04:18 PM
I heard that there is a more fleshed out version of your theory on the threads, with pictures. So when I have a chance I will read it.

We all have our theories and I try to be open minded, whilst others just provide the daily chuckle or scratching the head.  ;D

A woman of Science or Faith, a little of both when it comes to LOST ;D

BTW, Matthew Fox eye color is brown.  That is also another thing I did check and also the person in that shot has no tattoes on his shoulders.  Just pointing out that whomever this individual is lacks two essentials of Jack.  If they were playing with contact lens well so be it.  But the eye that opened was green not brown. 

I played that clip over and over and will also agree it appears to be Desmond like, I would not place all bets it is Desmond.   ;)  I was thinking Faraday, but this person was to heavy.  Then I thought it was Hurley after he had been locked in there for a long time.


Now you're thinking...
Nice call on Jack's eyes, but are they really brown?  His eye isn't brown in the first frame of Pilot, although we know from his youth that he has natural brown eyes.  They change colors throughout the seasons, as do most of our Losties' eye colors.  You can even include Ethan in that one.  Of particular note is Charlie, as well.  So do the eyes change colors depending on how many times they've been to the Island, or to their disposition of being "good people" or "bad people?"

Jack's tatoos change over the seasons we've seen, giving us a point of reference that again, what you think you are viewing in actual time is not time as we know it, rather a sequence of events of various times. 

I like the way you think.  Keep posting your ideas... and welcome to SWLS.  It's time for the rubber to hit the road.  Don't be shy, throw whatever speculation you may have out there.  It's a pleasure to read a well thought out post.

Woman of Science/Woman of Faith cheers!
*Des8

Okay Des I saw the tatoo where is the change, if you want me to swallow the kool aid you have to show me something and nothing doctored.  Season and episode.  Additionally the eye in the opening appeared to change as it opened.  Lockes eyes have remainded the same, as Claires and others.

We might want to move this back to your theory thread ;D

Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: jugdish on December 10, 2008, 09:09:11 PM
The tatoos have not change in the show. Some thought the stars where new, but he had those before ever filming Lost.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: LostinLock on December 10, 2008, 09:12:31 PM
Thanks Juggy, I didn't think they had changed.   ;D
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: laklost on December 11, 2008, 01:07:00 PM
Now the amount of chest hair he has - THAT changed!  :D

Kelvin is dead.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: LostinLock on December 11, 2008, 01:26:47 PM
Oh Lakie that is funny, you watching him on Blu Ray keeping count on hairs!! :D  I will be on the look out for that.  Do you want more or less is more or less you don't care you just want his chest ::) :o.

I agree Kelvin is gone :P
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: BobBX542 on December 12, 2008, 11:29:20 AM
Oh my god, it seems as if christmas has come early!! Thanks to who ever convinced Jug to re-open this. And thanks Jug for being willing. Now, onto business. I know that the Kelvin issue has been a button for a lot of us, and some of us have developed some very in depth, clever theories about this, but I think we need to look at this as an Ockham's (or Occam's, if you're not into the whole brevity thing) razor kind of situation. Kelvin was a tool used by the show to help us understand exactly what it was that happened to Desmond the day that Oceanic 815 crashed. I think the reason that the producers never made Kelvin more of an issue beyond that (excluding everything with Sayid) is because, that's all they needed the character for. I know some people who hate to be wrong, and these are the people that typically are conspiracy nuts, and turn mole hills into huge friggin mountains. So, in other words, the simplest and easiest theory is that Kelvin and Desmond got into a fight, and Desmond killed him. And now Kelvin is dead.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Jungle Otter on December 12, 2008, 11:36:40 AM
Oh my god, it seems as if christmas has come early!! Thanks to who ever convinced Jug to re-open this. And thanks Jug for being willing. Now, onto business. I know that the Kelvin issue has been a button for a lot of us, and some of us have developed some very in depth, clever theories about this, but I think we need to look at this as an Ockham's (or Occam's, if you're not into the whole brevity thing) razor kind of situation. Kelvin was a tool used by the show to help us understand exactly what it was that happened to Desmond the day that Oceanic 815 crashed. I think the reason that the producers never made Kelvin more of an issue beyond that (excluding everything with Sayid) is because, that's all they needed the character for. I know some people who hate to be wrong, and these are the people that typically are conspiracy nuts, and turn mole hills into huge friggin mountains. So, in other words, the simplest and easiest theory is that Kelvin and Desmond got into a fight, and Desmond killed him. And now Kelvin is dead.

Unless you look at it temporally then Kelvin is indeed still alive up to the point in which Desmond killed him. And thanks to this thread he lives on in our thoughts  ;D
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: LostinLock on December 12, 2008, 12:09:49 PM
Oh my god, it seems as if christmas has come early!! Thanks to who ever convinced Jug to re-open this. And thanks Jug for being willing. Now, onto business. I know that the Kelvin issue has been a button for a lot of us, and some of us have developed some very in depth, clever theories about this, but I think we need to look at this as an Ockham's (or Occam's, if you're not into the whole brevity thing) razor kind of situation. Kelvin was a tool used by the show to help us understand exactly what it was that happened to Desmond the day that Oceanic 815 crashed. I think the reason that the producers never made Kelvin more of an issue beyond that (excluding everything with Sayid) is because, that's all they needed the character for. I know some people who hate to be wrong, and these are the people that typically are conspiracy nuts, and turn mole hills into huge friggin mountains. So, in other words, the simplest and easiest theory is that Kelvin and Desmond got into a fight, and Desmond killed him. And now Kelvin is dead.

Amen and thanks for putting this as well as you did.  I could not agree more and he is dead long live Kelvin  ::)
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: BobBX542 on December 12, 2008, 12:15:25 PM
Unless you look at it temporally then Kelvin is indeed still alive up to the point in which Desmond killed him. And thanks to this thread he lives on in our thoughts  ;D

Not to sound like a smart ass about this, but everyone is alive until they die. Someone else said something like this last week or something, and said that Locke is dead in the future, and it occured to me, that everyone is dead in the future.

Amen and thanks for putting this as well as you did.  I could not agree more and he is dead long live Kelvin  ::)

You really threw me with this one, are you talking about Kelvin, or Schrödinger's cat??
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Jungle Otter on December 12, 2008, 12:24:01 PM
I only meant that he is alive in the past....and if the island did indeed go backward in time, then we may see him again, and not in a flashback..
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Ladybug on December 12, 2008, 12:40:02 PM
he's alive and well and hanging out in the invisible shack with christian/jacob and claire.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: BobBX542 on December 12, 2008, 12:58:56 PM
I only meant that he is alive in the past....and if the island did indeed go backward in time, then we may see him again, and not in a flashback..

I actually think that the island went ahead in time, which is why it's not there at the moment. It's sort of hard to explain with out visual aids. But I see what you're saying.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: LostinLock on December 12, 2008, 01:16:33 PM


Amen and thanks for putting this as well as you did.  I could not agree more and he is dead long live Kelvin  ::)

You really threw me with this one, are you talking about Kelvin, or Schrödinger's cat??
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I speak of Kelvin , not the cat ::)
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: jugdish on December 12, 2008, 01:24:58 PM
Oh my god, it seems as if christmas has come early!! Thanks to who ever convinced Jug to re-open this. And thanks Jug for being willing. Now, onto business. I know that the Kelvin issue has been a button for a lot of us, and some of us have developed some very in depth, clever theories about this, but I think we need to look at this as an Ockham's (or Occam's, if you're not into the whole brevity thing) razor kind of situation. Kelvin was a tool used by the show to help us understand exactly what it was that happened to Desmond the day that Oceanic 815 crashed. I think the reason that the producers never made Kelvin more of an issue beyond that (excluding everything with Sayid) is because, that's all they needed the character for. I know some people who hate to be wrong, and these are the people that typically are conspiracy nuts, and turn mole hills into huge friggin mountains. So, in other words, the simplest and easiest theory is that Kelvin and Desmond got into a fight, and Desmond killed him. And now Kelvin is dead.

As promised, I reopened it because some one posted a real post on the topic. If it goes back to page 68 he is dead. It gets closed again.

By the way I agree with every word you wrote.

Page 70 still dead.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Staggerlee on December 12, 2008, 01:56:45 PM
... but I think we need to look at this as an Ockham's (or Occam's, if you're not into the whole brevity thing) razor kind of situation. Kelvin was a tool used by the show to help us understand exactly what it was that happened to Desmond the day that Oceanic 815 crashed. I think the reason that the producers never made Kelvin more of an issue beyond that (excluding everything with Sayid) is because, that's all they needed the character for.... So, in other words, the simplest and easiest theory is that Kelvin and Desmond got into a fight, and Desmond killed him. And now Kelvin is dead.



"Buddhism teaches that what is reborn is not the person but that one moment gives rise to another and that this momentum continues, even after death...."



Dead, yet alive....yet dead.


Thank ya mucho BobBX!!!
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Desmond8MyPopRocks on December 13, 2008, 05:33:51 AM
Kelvin is not dead, nor is Joe Inman. People, people, people....  do the producers have to throw you a bag of bones, or just one to keep you in tune?

It was never by coincidence that "Bad Twin" came out at the same time we were introduced to Kelvin and Joe Inman.  I've used several other examples to detail and give you evidence why Kelvin isn't dead, but you just won't accept it.

The inevitable evidence was the timeline of Desmond turning the failsafe key and when we saw the Tailies crossing the same territory where Kelvin was supposedly left for dead, yet you chose to ignore it.

That's okay, if I'm wrong, I'm wrong.  But in the end, you'll see I'm right.  Who is really ever dead on the Island?  Clearly, DrDrunk isn't, Yemi wasn't "dead," nor was Boone.

Now Hurley is playing chess with MrEko.  I still don't think Jin is dead--you never saw him die.  People who think they are going to die end up on the Island...remember, it's a game....
"it's the oldest game in the world, Walt.  One is dark, the other is light."

 What we are watching is a neverending chess match, if you will.  Light against dark--but who is on the light side, and who is on the dark?  And who is to say which side is better?  I guess we'll see.

light and dark cheers
*Des8
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: LostinLock on December 13, 2008, 09:16:59 AM
Kelvin is not dead, nor is Joe Inman. People, people, people....  do the producers have to throw you a bag of bones, or just one to keep you in tune?

It was never by coincidence that "Bad Twin" came out at the same time we were introduced to Kelvin and Joe Inman.  I've used several other examples to detail and give you evidence why Kelvin isn't dead, but you just won't accept itI am not sure where you have posted all of this, but from what I have found you have yet to convince me. I am not baiting you but please provide me with the evidence.  Additionally why would the writers invest so much in a this character?  I mean if they are going in the direction of bringing back minor characters at the end for some magical mystery island tour, why him?  What does he bring to the table that the others don't?

The inevitable evidence was the timeline of Desmond turning the failsafe key and when we saw the Tailies crossing the same territory where Kelvin was supposedly left for dead, yet you chose to ignore it.He did not turn the failsafe key when the others were crossing, he kept pushing the button until it worked.  I do not recall (and I watched this several times) Desmond going into that floor to push turn the failsafe key.  He took the failsafe key from Kelvin's neck.  When Desmond turned the failsafe key the hatch imploded. When the hatch imploded some of our characters were held captive on the other side of the island, not in a plane. ::)
   
That's okay, if I'm wrong, I'm wrong.  But in the end, you'll see I'm right.  Who is really ever dead on the Island?  Clearly, DrDrunk isn't, Yemi wasn't "dead," nor was Boone.Define dead, because if we are going with the black and white version, we saw the bodies of Christian, Yemi was a corpse in the plane and Boone died in front of many.  Bodies were buried, Christian's is MIA, though oddly enough a white sneaker hangs from the tree in the pilot, a foreshadow?  But they buried Boone, Ecko, Anna ,Libby the infamous Nick and Nora (yeah I know Nicky and Paulo),Doc Artz, Charlie is underwater.  I agree there are spirits on the island , but physically the bodies have left the building. Unless they writers are planning for musical number similar to Fiddler in the roof where they are all corpses rise from the grave and do a little song and dance! ;) So if you are thinking anything different 'splain yourself Lucy  ;D
Now Hurley is playing chess with MrEko.  I still don't think Jin is dead--you never saw him die.  People who think they are going to die end up on the Island...remember, it's a game....Hurley plays chess with Eko but fears Charlie, don't really get that.  As for Jin i do agree with you there..

"it's the oldest game in the world, Walt.  One is dark, the other is light."Oh so here is the reference to the book that the writers like The Stand, the good vs. evil. If you have not read this book then do it is good and I finally understood the parallel they were making when they reference it. Most of these story lines (generically speaking) always face good vs. bad.  It is the oldest game in the world because it is the the foundation for many faiths (speaking loosely and not looking to discuss theology).  But the point is we all know that and have figured it out a long time ago.  As for Jin,again, we do agree here I am not ready to bury that body yet.

 What we are watching is a neverending chess match, if you will.  Light against dark--but who is on the light side, and who is on the dark?  And who is to say which side is better?  I guess we'll see. I agree and again that is the premise of most of these types of conflicts.

light and dark cheers
*Des8

Des8 seriously please direct me to what you put a lot of time and effort into.  I am curious to see where you are coming from, cause frankly I can't see the smoke monster for the trees in any of this. I don't consider myself to be a thick person, so if I am missing something, anyone show me where I am missing the clues!

Cheers Des8 and hope your are having a great weekend!

oh between things I was thinking about this and when Desmond finally flew the coop he could have taken Kelvin's body and dumped it in the ocean when he took off in the sailboat again for his circling the island.

Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: jugdish on December 14, 2008, 01:20:42 PM
The body not being there is easliy explained by either a) tides or b) animals. THe boars or the bears or any other scavanger like animal. We saw all those bones in the bears caves.

I agree with LIL. If we see kelvin again he is either a "spirit" or whatever Christian, boone, the dharma dude building the house etc are. Or the island went back in time and Kelvin was not killed yet.

There is no reason that Kelvin is going to be this key person who has been hiding in the forest all this time. He played his role and is dead.

But it is awesome to have something to debate again.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: JBRam on December 14, 2008, 01:59:16 PM
The body not being there is easliy explained by either a) tides or b) animals. THe boars or the bears or any other scavanger like animal. We saw all those bones in the bears caves.

I agree with LIL. If we see kelvin again he is either a "spirit" or whatever Christian, boone, the dharma dude building the house etc are. Or the island went back in time and Kelvin was not killed yet.

There is no reason that Kelvin is going to be this key person who has been hiding in the forest all this time. He played his role and is dead.

But it is awesome to have something to debate again.
It's also possible that it is a different area. It might look similar because of set reuse. We need to keep in mind that this is a low-budget (compared to movies) television show. If we take every place that looks similar as the same place, then the Losties have only discovered about 5 square miles on the island. Miles would be in the same location that Kelvin died. These sorts of things.

Kelvin and Joe Inman are the same person. There is absolutely no reason to think otherwise. Just like Drs. Candle and Wickman are the same person going by different names.

Page 71 and still dead.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: PrincessLeia on December 14, 2008, 10:38:22 PM
We saw Kelvin die on "Live Together, Die Alone," but of course no serious fan would state that we will never again see him "alive" as in Christian alive, Yemi alive, Charlie alive, etc.  In that way....of course Kelvin is alive. ;)  (I can't believe I just said that.  Juggy- smack me now.)


Many characters have gone by many names for many reasons.  Kelvin & Joe are the same person, just as Monica Callis & Kate Austen are the same person.


On the Des/Jack shots in the Hatch...while I don't SEE Matthew Fox in any of those frames, I agree that it was filmed in such a way to lead us to believe that it was Jack.  The producers wanted to milk our disorientation as long as possible & even mislead us, so that their reveal (we were seeing the inside of THE Hatch that we'd been waiting for all summer) would have a bigger impact.  They have done this with voices as well....the blending of Kate & Juliet's voices on "Something Nice Back Home," so we wouldn't immediately know who it was in the shower & the blending of Christian & Ben's voices on "The Economist," so that we wouldn't immediately know that Sayid was working for Ben.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: jugdish on December 14, 2008, 11:47:53 PM
I also do not believe the producers thought that far ahead, they have the big idea but the details had to be figured out.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: BobBX542 on December 15, 2008, 01:44:01 PM
I think the issue of spirits is ultimately going to come down to what it is exactly that Miles sees/experiences when he talks to the spirits of dead people. What do I mean?? Well, if you stop interrupting, I'LL TELL YOU!! Basically, we know for a fact that in the world of LOST, ghosts do exist, and can interact with people, directly and indirectly. This is evidenced through Miles' visit to the woman's house who wanted her grandson's spirit gone. Miles not only speaks to the ghost, but the spirit manages to push over an object in the room (I sadly forget what it was) to let Miles know where the money is. Then, we see it again when he has conversations with the spirits on the island. BUT, we have not seen what it is that Miles actually sees.

If we ever get the chance to see through his perspective, and there are full body apparitions that look alive and are talking to him, then I am willing to agree that all the "dead" people we have been seeing (Jack's dad, Charlie, Yemi, Boone, etc.) are actually ghosts. BUT, if whatever Miles sees is anything different, like a shapeless form that is communicating through mental telepathy, then we have to agree that all of the "dead" people are visions sent by the island (or some other source), and all of those people are genuinely dead, in every sense of the word.

What does this have to do with the Kelvin issue?? Well, if the Full Body Apparition theory plays out, then aside from Flash backs, any time we see Kelvin from here on out, we will know that he is actually dead, but what we are seeing is his ghost. If the Full Body Apparition theory does not play out, then if we see Kelvin, we will know that it is just a vision that is sent by the island (or by the unknown source), and either way, he is dead.

Of course, this all hinders on whether or not we ever get a P.O.V. from Miles. Is that as confusing as I think I made it out to be??
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: LostinLock on December 15, 2008, 02:01:38 PM
So if we see his ghost then he is dead right? ;)
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Jungle Otter on December 15, 2008, 02:08:36 PM
So if we see his ghost then he is dead right? ;)

Perhaps he will appear as one of three ghosts to show Hugo the way back....  ;)
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Staggerlee on December 15, 2008, 02:10:43 PM
Bob, that makes about as much sense as an open faced PB&J with a half pint o' Guinness**  which is what you've been awarded for the most sensible post concerning this topic in many pages...

Cheers and a Huzzah for you!  *sip, wipes tangy yummy froth from lip* Have a great day!








**it is lunch time after all, save the whole pints for afternoon snack...
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: BobBX542 on December 15, 2008, 02:14:45 PM
Bob, that makes about as much sense as an open faced PB&J with a half pint o' Guinness**  which is what you've been awarded for the most sensible post concerning this topic in many pages...

Cheers and a Huzzah for you!  *sip, wipes tangy yummy froth from lip* Have a great day!








**it is lunch time after all, save the whole pints for afternoon snack...

Man how I have missed you.

So if we see his ghost then he is dead right? ;)

If we see it via Miles' P.O.V., then yes.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: LostinLock on December 15, 2008, 02:30:10 PM
Oh the ghost of the island past, present and future hmmm

Guiness and pbj open faced samwiches ..yuummmy ;D  Staggerlee I just adore you! ;D
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: LostinLock on December 15, 2008, 04:43:21 PM
Wow two, two two Bob's in one thread ;D
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: jugdish on December 15, 2008, 07:03:17 PM
Great post Bob, I agree with you.

Not interested in the pbj and the guiness. Not a combination I would put together.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: LostinLock on December 16, 2008, 07:10:11 AM
Big musical number at the end of the series, Kelvin kicking it off!  (joking) Sorry Juggy, it is the time of spirits , past present and future.

Frankly I hope we never see patchy again!  He was kind of creepy like Ethan. :-\
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: BobBX542 on December 16, 2008, 10:02:33 AM
Great post Bob, I agree with you.

Not interested in the pbj and the guiness. Not a combination I would put together.

Thanks, I figured that maybe I should start putting some thought into these.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: LostinLock on December 16, 2008, 10:22:21 AM
Enjoyable it was :D
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: BobBX542 on December 16, 2008, 11:42:59 AM
Well, at least we're down to 36 days until the premiere. So maybe we'll find out sooner than we think.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Matt_at_TSH on January 05, 2009, 02:25:03 PM
I believe in the episode "The Other 48 days" Anna-Lucia led the tailies and company to the other side of the Island. There is a scene where Anna is standing at the rocks overlooking the bay where Desmond supposedly killed Kelvin. If you take notice the "Elizabeth" (Desmonds boat) and Kelvins body are not there. This could just be the producers recycling locations, or could it be more than that. If John Locke didnt open he Swan, is it possible Anna-Lucia could have  found the "Elizabeth". Anyway, I personally think Kelvin is still alive.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: BobBX542 on January 05, 2009, 03:32:22 PM
I believe in the episode "The Other 48 days" Anna-Lucia led the tailies and company to the other side of the Island. There is a scene where Anna is standing at the rocks overlooking the bay where Desmond supposedly killed Kelvin. If you take notice the "Elizabeth" (Desmonds boat) and Kelvins body are not there. This could just be the producers recycling locations, or could it be more than that. If John Locke didnt open he Swan, is it possible Anna-Lucia could have  found the "Elizabeth". Anyway, I personally think Kelvin is still alive.

I think that idea has already come up, and if I remember correctly, when the Tailies are crossing that part of the island, it is after Desmond left the Swan and jumped on the boat to "escape" the island, so that explains the boat not being there. As for why Kelvin's body isn't there, well, there are several ideas. I think the popular ones are that the ocean may have taken away his body like it did with the plane wreckage, or that Desmond gave him a "burial at sea" by pushing him off the rocks as he passed by to grab the boat. I personally think that either are possible, but mainly because I am one of the ones that think Kelvin is dead. But we shall see, won't we?? Or maybe we won't, will we?? Huh?? What the hell does that mean??
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: jugdish on January 05, 2009, 04:28:21 PM
Any one of the many animals could of dragged the body off that area for dinner.
Yes, Desmond had taken the boat by then.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Matt_at_TSH on January 05, 2009, 06:22:06 PM
I am aware that Desmond took the Elizabeth by that point. I just found it interesting to speculate that if the Swan had not been open by then, Anna lu lu would have found the Elizabeth. It just goes to show that the writers of LOST are swerving you when you dont even know it. As far as Kelvins body, Im siding with the "wild animals" getting a hold of him. It would have been finite to see Kelvins corpse in the polar bear cave. But then again, when have corpses ever stayed put on this Island anyway.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: PrincessLeia on January 05, 2009, 09:34:00 PM
While it's fun & interresting to speculate on, the fact that we've never again seen Kelvin's body is irrelevant in determining whether he is dead or alive.  Yemi is dead.  His body is missing.  Christian is dead.  His body is missing. 
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: jugdish on January 05, 2009, 10:16:34 PM
Well stated,
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: BobBX542 on January 06, 2009, 09:34:26 AM
I am aware that Desmond took the Elizabeth by that point. I just found it interesting to speculate that if the Swan had not been open by then, Anna lu lu would have found the Elizabeth. It just goes to show that the writers of LOST are swerving you when you dont even know it. As far as Kelvins body, Im siding with the "wild animals" getting a hold of him. It would have been finite to see Kelvins corpse in the polar bear cave. But then again, when have corpses ever stayed put on this Island anyway.

I think I see what you're saying, but as far as the story goes, we'll never know, because what happened is what happened. I mean, it would be just as easy to say, "What would have happened if Frank actually flew the plane the day he was suppossed to??" But the writers didn't have him flying the plane, so we'll never know.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: BobBX542 on January 06, 2009, 04:09:09 PM
HA!! HA!! HA!! HA!!

HA!!

Click this link (Video is from the Dharma Special Access videos being sent out, so if you have been avoiding them so as to not have any spoilers for your self, you might want to skip this. I mention this only to confirm that it is not a fan made video, but rather straight from the horse's mouth as it were.)

http://abc.go.com/primetime/lost/dharmaspecialaccess/index

Then put in the password holma and watch the video VERY CLOSELY between the 2:17 and 2:43 mark. They show 3 groups of pictures of characters from the show. The first group is people who are still alive, the second is "undead" (direct quote from the producers, not my word), and the third group is all of the DEAD CHARACTERS.

Spoiler wise, this clip may ruin some info for some of you about other characters that you thought were dead or alive, but if you just HAVE to know about Kelvin, then you must watch this. If you watch it and get upset that I ruined something for you, please remember that anything you do from here on out with this is all on you. I put this up to finally, and conclusively end the discussion about Kelvin.

Now, some people might consider this a bit of a spoiler, so I won't spill every detail that is in the 26 second clip I am talking about, but most importantly, Kelvin's picture does not appear in either the "Alive/living" or "undead" catergories, but rather is in the "DEAD" section. If you are looking for it, which I hope all of the "Kelvin-is-alive" people will, Kelvin's picture appears at the very last second of the clip at 2:43, in the lower left hand corner right next to Eko, and 2 below Shannon's. Sooooooooooo

IN YO FACE SUCKAS!!!!!!

Now, normally I wouldn't gloat like this, but in this case, it kind of seems neccesarry. Only because you can't get more canonical then having the PRODUCERS say that all of those people are dead and show his picture, all while standing in the writer's office. If that isn't enough proof for you doubters, then you are living in a sad state of denial, and there is nothing else to say on the matter.

Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: jugdish on January 06, 2009, 04:29:13 PM
You might of broke the no spoilers here, but it was needed to be said. You just made my day! I will see the video when I get home, but I am glad that this is put to rest finally. There was no evidence he was alive, except for them not showing the body. The producers have been shocked when the viewers do not believe what they show us.

This does not mean we will not see Kelvin again in a flashback!
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: BobBX542 on January 06, 2009, 04:40:06 PM
You might of broke the no spoilers here, but it was needed to be said. You just made my day! I will see the video when I get home, but I am glad that this is put to rest finally. There was no evidence he was alive, except for them not showing the body. The producers have been shocked when the viewers do not believe what they show us.

This does not mean we will not see Kelvin again in a flashback!

That's why I said it may be a spoiler like 5 times man, cut me a little slack LOL. And I have always said that if we do see him again, it will be in a flashback. Like I said, there are other pics there, but the only one I mentioned was Kelvin on purpose.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: jugdish on January 06, 2009, 04:56:32 PM
You might of broke the no spoilers here, but it was needed to be said. You just made my day! I will see the video when I get home, but I am glad that this is put to rest finally. There was no evidence he was alive, except for them not showing the body. The producers have been shocked when the viewers do not believe what they show us.

This does not mean we will not see Kelvin again in a flashback!

That's why I said it may be a spoiler like 5 times man, cut me a little slack LOL. And I have always said that if we do see him again, it will be in a flashback. Like I said, there are other pics there, but the only one I mentioned was Kelvin on purpose.

The slack is cut!!.
I am not sure it is even a spoiler. They showed Kelvin being killed. Knowing what we saw is not a spoiler.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: BobBX542 on January 06, 2009, 04:58:26 PM
Agreed. Hey, Jug, just wondering if you're back is hurting, seeing as how I have been piggy backing everything you said today. I swear it's not on purpose. It's just that no one else is talking today.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: jugdish on January 06, 2009, 05:10:16 PM
LOL!!
Not at all.
I am getting amped up for the show to start back up! I am just glad there is some discussion to participate in!! You also provided us with the newest information!!
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: LostinLock on January 06, 2009, 05:52:06 PM
Juggy now that we know he is confirmed dead, never doubted this for one minute, but can we now close this.  All further speculation is moot.

Thanks BobX for the clip it was informative and the undead column well that make is even more interesting.  Nice to know that some of the folks we presumed dead are not dead and may become at the end of the season.

So I will go some other place.  Amen for the this being put to rest finally and Des8 guess what you were wrong about Kelvin!   ::) ::) just saying sweetie!  We still love you and btw are you related to Mango bingo? ;)
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: jugdish on January 06, 2009, 05:59:57 PM
We have to have a little time to gloat about this before it gets locked up!!

Remember, I locked it once and all hell broke out!
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: LostinLock on January 06, 2009, 06:15:37 PM
Your call you have control.   :D
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Staggerlee on January 06, 2009, 06:57:39 PM
Thank ya mucho Bobbx, I never watch these things (the better half does and lets me in on certain things deemed veddy importantical), but I had to see this.

Now he's free to start filming Highlander XXXXVVVVII and another Burger King commercial....YAAAAAAAAYYYYYYY


Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: jugdish on January 06, 2009, 06:59:21 PM
I just saw it (I don't know why I did not get the email). No doubt about it, Kelvin is dead.

I was looking for Claire but did not see her!!
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: JBRam on January 06, 2009, 07:01:31 PM
Page 73 and still dead.

(Please don't lock it! This is fun!)
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: jugdish on January 06, 2009, 07:03:31 PM
Page 73 and still dead.

(Please don't lock it! This is fun!)
If this crap continues than it will be locked.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: PrincessLeia on January 06, 2009, 09:29:32 PM
HA!! HA!! HA!! HA!!

HA!!

Click this link (Video is from the Dharma Special Access videos being sent out, so if you have been avoiding them so as to not have any spoilers for your self, you might want to skip this. I mention this only to confirm that it is not a fan made video, but rather straight from the horse's mouth as it were.)

http://abc.go.com/primetime/lost/dharmaspecialaccess/index

Then put in the password holma and watch the video VERY CLOSELY between the 2:17 and 2:43 mark. They show 3 groups of pictures of characters from the show. The first group is people who are still alive, the second is "undead" (direct quote from the producers, not my word), and the third group is all of the DEAD CHARACTERS.

Spoiler wise, this clip may ruin some info for some of you about other characters that you thought were dead or alive, but if you just HAVE to know about Kelvin, then you must watch this. If you watch it and get upset that I ruined something for you, please remember that anything you do from here on out with this is all on you. I put this up to finally, and conclusively end the discussion about Kelvin.

Now, some people might consider this a bit of a spoiler, so I won't spill every detail that is in the 26 second clip I am talking about, but most importantly, Kelvin's picture does not appear in either the "Alive/living" or "undead" catergories, but rather is in the "DEAD" section. If you are looking for it, which I hope all of the "Kelvin-is-alive" people will, Kelvin's picture appears at the very last second of the clip at 2:43, in the lower left hand corner right next to Eko, and 2 below Shannon's. Sooooooooooo

IN YO FACE SUCKAS!!!!!!

Now, normally I wouldn't gloat like this, but in this case, it kind of seems neccesarry. Only because you can't get more canonical then having the PRODUCERS say that all of those people are dead and show his picture, all while standing in the writer's office. If that isn't enough proof for you doubters, then you are living in a sad state of denial, and there is nothing else to say on the matter.


shucky darn poo.  Access is denied. :'( :'( :'(  I think it tracks IP's or something.


But STILL.  Thanks for the great info!!!!!
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: LostinLock on January 06, 2009, 09:58:37 PM
I just saw it (I don't know why I did not get the email). No doubt about it, Kelvin is dead.

I was looking for Claire but did not see her!!

No nor was another person.

PL it works, you have to put in the password, not tracking IP's!  I am watching it again!

 ;D  Well worth the watch and these two are kind of funny in their own right ;D ;D
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: PrincessLeia on January 06, 2009, 10:01:37 PM
It's still not working for me! :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: jugdish on January 06, 2009, 10:05:08 PM
Damon appears to need a mansire or the Bro
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: PrincessLeia on January 06, 2009, 10:06:22 PM
I noticed that on one of the dvd bonus features. :-\  I can just hear him saying, "Why didn't anyone tell me that I looked like that?!?!" lol
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: jugdish on January 06, 2009, 10:07:18 PM
Looks bad, real bad.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: LostinLock on January 06, 2009, 10:19:41 PM
Damon appears to need a mansire or the Bro

Gee I didn't notice that, I was listening to the dialogue and looking for clues, darn them.  I am playing this over and over to catch who are on the boards and not all of the pics are clear.  But he did tell us that some of are alives folks may not be by the end of the season.  no he didn't say which.

But dudes Kelvin is dead!!!! Oh I am so happy!
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: BobBX542 on January 07, 2009, 11:00:34 AM
I'm so glad that Kelvin's death could bring so many people this much happiness. Wow, that sounded creepier than I expected it too. PL make sure you put in the password exactly the way it is there,

holma

I don't know if capitalizing it makes a difference on this one, but on another one of these videos, I had on my caps lock, and the password didn't work, so maybe that's what's going on on your end.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: LostinLock on January 07, 2009, 11:03:44 AM
I'm so glad that Kelvin's death could bring so many people this much happiness. Wow, that sounded creepier than I expected it too. PL make sure you put in the password exactly the way it is there,

holma

I don't know if capitalizing it makes a difference on this one, but on another one of these videos, I had on my caps lock, and the password didn't work, so maybe that's what's going on on your end.
good first line support response.

Confirmation of a long believed thought is always good.  Not happiness as much as pleasure providing closure to a topic that has been long drawn out.  Did anyone send flowers to Des8, cause she is going to be devestated.   ::)
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: jugdish on January 07, 2009, 11:55:11 AM
Kelvin is not dead, nor is Joe Inman. People, people, people....  do the producers have to throw you a bag of bones, or just one to keep you in tune? (Sorry but you are incorrect! The producers did show us exactly what happened and I believed them. Kelvin is officially dead)
It was never by coincidence that "Bad Twin" came out at the same time we were introduced to Kelvin and Joe Inman.  I've used several other examples to detail and give you evidence why Kelvin isn't dead, but you just won't accept it. (We and the producers accept the truth, Kelvin is dead)

The inevitable evidence was the timeline of Desmond turning the failsafe key and when we saw the Tailies crossing the same territory where Kelvin was supposedly left for dead, yet you chose to ignore it.(The body disappeared, no big deal)
That's okay, if I'm wrong, I'm wrong.  But in the end, you'll see I'm right.  Who is really ever dead on the Island?  Clearly, DrDrunk isn't, Yemi wasn't "dead," nor was Boone. (Just because we see visions of them, they are still dead)
Now Hurley is playing chess with MrEko.  I still don't think Jin is dead--you never saw him die.  People who think they are going to die end up on the Island...remember, it's a game....
"it's the oldest game in the world, Walt.  One is dark, the other is light."

 What we are watching is a neverending chess match, if you will.  Light against dark--but who is on the light side, and who is on the dark?  And who is to say which side is better?  I guess we'll see.

light and dark cheers
*Des8

Just having fun with ya Des. But you got to expect a little flak when you have been telling us we are so stupid and wrong, and then we turn out right.

You are not alone, I stated numerous time that there is no time travel and it sure looks like I was wrong on that one. ;D
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: BobBX542 on January 07, 2009, 12:51:07 PM
Man, all this taunting of Des is going to come back on me, I know it.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: LostinLock on January 07, 2009, 01:01:41 PM
Man, all this taunting of Des is going to come back on me, I know it.

Why would she come after you?  Juggy is coaxing her and I have taunted her before!  I think you may be the last in line to receive her wrath! ;D

It is all in good fun and she knows it.  Only the bearer of bad news has to fear and this was not bad news!

Now your next mission if you choose to accept it is finding out if Widmore and Penny are one in the same!   
BobX the defender of what is cannon! ;D
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: jugdish on January 07, 2009, 01:06:41 PM
Man, all this taunting of Des is going to come back on me, I know it.

Why would she come after you?  Juggy is coaxing her and I have taunted her before!  I think you may be the last in line to receive her wrath! ;D

It is all in good fun and she knows it.  Only the bearer of bad news has to fear and this was not bad news!

Now your next mission if you choose to accept it is finding out if Widmore and Penny are one in the same!   
BobX the defender of what is cannon! ;D
I am not afraid!!!! BRING IT! :D
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Matt_at_TSH on January 07, 2009, 01:12:41 PM
I knew Charlie, er uhh, Kelvin was dead! He told me so the other day. I was like "No way Kelvin you cant be here!? I saw the DSA video #7 and you were in the dead collumn!?" Then he said wrd that still chill me to the bone "I a dead Matt, but I am also here."  Ha! Just kidding. I didnt see the DSA 7 video... ( ;^P)

Na na naa na,
Na na naa na,
Hey hey hey,
Goooodbye...  Kelvin... 

Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: jugdish on January 07, 2009, 01:15:29 PM
I knew Charlie, er uhh, Kelvin was dead! He told me so the other day. I was like "No way Kelvin you cant be here!? I saw the DSA video #7 and you were in the dead collumn!?" Then he said wrd that still chill me to the bone "I a dead Matt, but I am also here."  Ha! Just kidding. I didnt see the DSA 7 video... ( ;^P)

Na na naa na,
Na na naa na,
Hey hey hey,
Goooodbye...  Kelvin... 



I like this matt guy
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: BobBX542 on January 07, 2009, 01:26:09 PM
I knew Charlie, er uhh, Kelvin was dead! He told me so the other day. I was like "No way Kelvin you cant be here!? I saw the DSA video #7 and you were in the dead collumn!?" Then he said wrd that still chill me to the bone "I a dead Matt, but I am also here."  Ha! Just kidding. I didnt see the DSA 7 video... ( ;^P)

Na na naa na,
Na na naa na,
Hey hey hey,
Goooodbye...  Kelvin... 



Competing with Stagger lee for the weirdest posts?? Good luck.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Staggerlee on January 07, 2009, 01:41:49 PM
Yaaargh...the good Doctor, Dr. H.S. Thompson* that is, has me on new meds, the fear and loathing has reached an apex, a crux and many other things that have an x in them....?ti si syad ynam woH ...oops, I mean How many days is it? 14!!!

MattunderscoreatunderscoreTSH, glad to meet you...tis plenty of room for more Yoricks ** , Thersites' or Festes...









*Yesss, he's dead too, but still prescribes nonetheless..

**He's dead too, too and so too apparently is Kelvin *giggle, giggle*
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: LostinLock on January 07, 2009, 01:42:44 PM
I knew Charlie, er uhh, Kelvin was dead! He told me so the other day. I was like "No way Kelvin you cant be here!? I saw the DSA video #7 and you were in the dead collumn!?" Then he said wrd that still chill me to the bone "I a dead Matt, but I am also here."  Ha! Just kidding. I didnt see the DSA 7 video... ( ;^P)

Na na naa na,
Na na naa na,
Hey hey hey,
Goooodbye...  Kelvin... 



I like this matt guy

It is good to have a new odd poster
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: PrincessLeia on January 07, 2009, 02:48:25 PM
I'm so glad that Kelvin's death could bring so many people this much happiness. Wow, that sounded creepier than I expected it too. PL make sure you put in the password exactly the way it is there,

holma

I don't know if capitalizing it makes a difference on this one, but on another one of these videos, I had on my caps lock, and the password didn't work, so maybe that's what's going on on your end.
geeeez!  I tried it about 10 times last night, but I must have done something wrong!  I copy/pasted the password today, & now it worked!

So yes.  Ding dong, Kelvin's dead. :)
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: BobBX542 on January 07, 2009, 03:53:37 PM
I knew Charlie, er uhh, Kelvin was dead! He told me so the other day. I was like "No way Kelvin you cant be here!? I saw the DSA video #7 and you were in the dead collumn!?" Then he said wrd that still chill me to the bone "I a dead Matt, but I am also here."  Ha! Just kidding. I didnt see the DSA 7 video... ( ;^P)

Na na naa na,
Na na naa na,
Hey hey hey,
Goooodbye...  Kelvin... 



Yaaargh...the good Doctor, Dr. H.S. Thompson* that is, has me on new meds, the fear and loathing has reached an apex, a crux and many other things that have an x in them....?ti si syad ynam woH ...oops, I mean How many days is it? 14!!!

MattunderscoreatunderscoreTSH, glad to meet you...tis plenty of room for more Yoricks ** , Thersites' or Festes...









*Yesss, he's dead too, but still prescribes nonetheless..

**He's dead too, too and so too apparently is Kelvin *giggle, giggle*

Oh this is going to be exciting. The fuse is lit!!
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Staggerlee on January 07, 2009, 08:07:38 PM
Tis a long fuse Mon Amie...

Truly tho' it is humourous that we take what may well prove to be a minor character and elevate them (The scenes with "Kelvin" and Sayid were awesome!) to
heights most likely not imagined by the Creators.

All that can be said is that thank the spirits in the ether that it is not Paulo's demise that we are debating!!!










It is good to have a new odd poster


Yes indeed Lil... 

Something I read recently

"fools are subtle teachers, reality instructors one might say, who often come close to playing the part that Socrates, himself an inspired clown, played on the streets of Athens. They tickle, coax and cajole their supposed betters into truth, or something akin to it. They take the spirit of April Fools' Day to an inspired zenith. "


Toodles all!!!
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: LostinLock on January 07, 2009, 09:07:42 PM





It is good to have a new odd poster


Yes indeed Lil... 

Something I read recently

"fools are subtle teachers, reality instructors one might say, who often come close to playing the part that Socrates, himself an inspired clown, played on the streets of Athens. They tickle, coax and cajole their supposed betters into truth, or something akin to it. They take the spirit of April Fools' Day to an inspired zenith. "


Toodles all!!!

Well, my dear Staggerlee, I love it!!!!!!!!  Merci mon ami :-*
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: BobBX542 on January 08, 2009, 09:40:39 AM
Tis a long fuse Mon Amie...

Truly tho' it is humourous that we take what may well prove to be a minor character and elevate them (The scenes with "Kelvin" and Sayid were awesome!) to
heights most likely not imagined by the Creators.


Well, there was some potential there for him to to explain a little more about what had happened, who was who, etc. so I don't know if we were projecting beyond the writers imaginations. But yes, it is funny that some one that was in 2 episodes, briefly, has become such a hot button issue.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: jugdish on February 02, 2009, 01:23:39 PM
In the latest podcast on abc.com they hint that we will see more of Kelvin and the purge. They are hinting that he was recruited by Dharma after the purge, but no way confirming it.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Staggerlee on February 02, 2009, 01:45:26 PM
Given the little history we have of him in Iraq, them (Dharma) bringing him in would not be out of the question...
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: BobBX542 on February 02, 2009, 03:41:18 PM
But he'll still be dead.

Sorry juggy, had to do it. Won't do it again.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: jugdish on February 02, 2009, 04:27:49 PM
He is still dead, but we may get more history on him.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: PrincessLeia on February 03, 2009, 01:31:05 PM
I'm thinking that's how they'll get back to Danielle's story as well.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: razzle-dazzle on February 07, 2009, 11:23:18 AM
I'm thinking that's how they'll get back to Danielle's story as well.
Now that we've seen Danielle's arrival on the island via island time skips, we might see more about the Dharma food drops, and maybe even Kelvin.
They seem to be cramming in island mysteries via this time skips.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Gar O Mac on February 10, 2009, 07:29:19 PM
I'm thinking that's how they'll get back to Danielle's story as well.
Now that we've seen Danielle's arrival on the island via island time skips, we might see more about the Dharma food drops, and maybe even Kelvin.
They seem to be cramming in island mysteries via this time skips.

That's really the only thing that has redeemed the time skips for me. At first I hated them but I saw how they were using them, and I started to love it.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: LostinLock on February 11, 2009, 07:19:53 PM
I'm thinking that's how they'll get back to Danielle's story as well.
Now that we've seen Danielle's arrival on the island via island time skips, we might see more about the Dharma food drops, and maybe even Kelvin.
They seem to be cramming in island mysteries via this time skips.

That's really the only thing that has redeemed the time skips for me. At first I hated them but I saw how they were using them, and I started to love it.
wow I am late in posting since the season start, but outside of this forum, I have noted that the story telling through the time skips/jump or whatever you call them are wonderful.  BUT no one should be surprised if you listened/read or got wind of the fact that the flash forward/backwards were going to be a bit different.  I love this manner in which they are sharing what we have been asking.

Not confusing but creative and while the O6 ponder and scratch their skulls as to what happened they must now have faith of the one person they were angered with (John Locke) and follow his advice.

Not mentioning Ben, but I did hear that spins offs will be a course in how to decived your friends and take over islands in 10 easy steps!  I signed up he is a great speaker!!!!!!!!!!!  (look into my eyes....you want to take this course) 8) ;) ;D ::)
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: BobBX542 on February 26, 2010, 09:07:53 PM
In the latest podcast on abc.com they hint that we will see more of Kelvin and the purge. They are hinting that he was recruited by Dharma after the purge, but no way confirming it.

Did we ever get anything about this, or do you think it will come up in this season?? I guess it will kind of have to if they plan on explaining it ever.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: laklost on February 26, 2010, 09:18:00 PM
no...just no
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: jugdish on February 26, 2010, 09:29:24 PM
There was a reason I locked this thread once.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: JBRam on February 26, 2010, 10:53:36 PM
In the alternate timeline, I'm betting that Kelvin is alive. We might even see him. But as for the original timeline: Dead as a doornail.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Gar O Mac on February 27, 2010, 04:06:10 AM
Oh, dear God no. Who took this thread to the temple and threw it in the pool?
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: opgelost on February 27, 2010, 07:02:49 AM
He is part of Smoky's underground army with Mikhail, Charlie, Alex, Michael, Charlotte, Naomi and the other dead bodies that disappeared.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: LostinLock on February 27, 2010, 08:41:29 AM
TPTB had him on the wall as dead why would  he be resurected now for what reason?  Seriously they are going to cram his short lived character in the end here.  Unless they do a song and dance routine at the end (TPTB read this please) I see no reason for him to be back. ::) ::) ::)

Libby has more answers!
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: BobBX542 on February 27, 2010, 01:52:07 PM
In the latest podcast on abc.com they hint that we will see more of Kelvin and the purge. They are hinting that he was recruited by Dharma after the purge, but no way confirming it.

Did we ever get anything about this, or do you think it will come up in this season?? I guess it will kind of have to if they plan on explaining it ever.

Okay, calm down every one, I meant did we ever learn anything else about Kelvin and the D.I.?? That's why I quoted juggy (look up). I pride myself on my recall of things that happen on the show, but every now and then, things slip by me. Like that thing, with the guy, when he went to that place.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: LostinLock on February 27, 2010, 01:55:33 PM
Yeah I did forget about that :-\
If I never find out i won't be disappointed
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: nomteticus on March 04, 2010, 08:29:42 PM
Do you think Kelvin was somehow involved with Jacob or MIB?
I'm saying this because he was a big influence to Sayid's path by teaching him torture, and that kind of influence is the kind of thing Jacob would do, especially since he is a candidate...
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: LostinLock on March 04, 2010, 08:48:35 PM
No Sayid was destined to be a torturer.  Remember he killed the chicken as a child and thought nothing of it.  His Father knew he was of that "nature".

What Inman/Kelvin saw he had a natural ability and just brought it to the surface.  I think he has nothing to do other than being made an offer like Dogen
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Desmond8MyPopRocks on May 17, 2010, 04:05:48 AM
Kelvin is still alive--we will see time jump back to the hatch.

Kelvin Big Black Rock Bob Cheers
*Des8
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: LouE68 on May 17, 2010, 08:17:31 PM
When little jacob and his brother were chasing the boar, i swear one of the men looked like Inman at a glimpse...
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Gar O Mac on May 18, 2010, 05:51:11 PM
The show is almost over and Kelvin is still dead.  ;D
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: BobBX542 on May 19, 2010, 10:48:27 AM
It's been a while, but let's see if I still got it...

Kelvin dead is still.

Damn it!! maybe next time.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Desmond8MyPopRocks on May 19, 2010, 03:18:19 PM
It's been a while, but let's see if I still got it...

Kelvin dead is still.

Damn it!! maybe next time.
BRB...don't do this to me--we've been saying he's alive for so long now I'm certain of it :)

cheers
*Des8
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: BobBX542 on May 19, 2010, 03:20:20 PM
It's been a while, but let's see if I still got it...

Kelvin dead is still.

Damn it!! maybe next time.
BRB...don't do this to me--we've been saying he's alive for so long now I'm certain of it :)

cheers
*Des8

Who is "we". I know you're not talking about me, sir. I've been saying that Kelvin is dead ever since he died. Which he did...die that is.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Gar O Mac on May 19, 2010, 05:06:07 PM
It's true.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: E.S.B. on May 20, 2010, 12:01:42 AM
Something tells me this question will remain unanswered for some people at 11:30 p.m. Sunday.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Desmond8MyPopRocks on May 20, 2010, 01:21:25 AM
Something tells me this question will remain unanswered for some people at 11:30 p.m. Sunday.
LOL touche'

cheers
*Des8
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Desmond8MyPopRocks on May 20, 2010, 01:22:52 AM
Something tells me this question will remain unanswered for some people at 11:30 p.m. Sunday.
LOL touche'

cheers
*Des8
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Gar O Mac on May 20, 2010, 03:28:43 AM
Something tells me this question will remain unanswered for some people at 11:30 p.m. Sunday.
LOL! Something tells me the same thing, but that something could vary well be your having said it just now. lol
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: BobBX542 on May 20, 2010, 01:25:37 PM
Something tells me this question will remain unanswered for some people at 11:30 p.m. Sunday.

It's not unanswered though, he's dead.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: I_Am_Jacob on May 20, 2010, 01:28:49 PM
Something tells me this question will remain unanswered for some people at 11:30 p.m. Sunday.

It's not unanswered though, he's dead.

We're talking about the bit part character who got his head smashed in and bled to death on the rocks.  Yeah he bled to DEATH. He's still dead. He'll still be dead on Sunday.

Watch them show him in the ALT and then everyone will start theorizing again that he is alive on Island too.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: E.S.B. on May 20, 2010, 02:41:05 PM
Something tells me this question will remain unanswered for some people at 11:30 p.m. Sunday.

It's not unanswered though, he's dead.
I know!
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: BobBX542 on May 20, 2010, 04:27:28 PM
Something tells me this question will remain unanswered for some people at 11:30 p.m. Sunday.

It's not unanswered though, he's dead.

We're talking about the bit part character who got his head smashed in and bled to death on the rocks.  Yeah he bled to DEATH. He's still dead. He'll still be dead on Sunday.

Watch them show him in the ALT and then everyone will start theorizing again that he is alive on Island too.

Exactly. He's dead.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Gar O Mac on May 20, 2010, 05:48:21 PM
Something tells me this question will remain unanswered for some people at 11:30 p.m. Sunday.

It's not unanswered though, he's dead.

We're talking about the bit part character who got his head smashed in and bled to death on the rocks.  Yeah he bled to DEATH. He's still dead. He'll still be dead on Sunday.

Watch them show him in the ALT and then everyone will start theorizing again that he is alive on Island too.

Exactly. He's dead.
But he'll always live on in the hearts of those that remember him.  :P
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: LouE68 on May 21, 2010, 03:22:46 AM
Who is this Kelvin guy? Oh yeah, the dead guy....
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: ericd543 on May 21, 2010, 05:10:33 AM
But Kelvin is the guy who told Desmond how pushing the button would save the world. Until it's over-over I'm still hoping for a glimpse of a flashback of this conversation. A few seconds in a Desmond montage would do.  ;)
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Gar O Mac on May 21, 2010, 05:47:30 AM
But Kelvin is the guy who told Desmond how pushing the button would save the world. Until it's over-over I'm still hoping for a glimpse of a flashback of this conversation. A few seconds in a Desmond montage would do.  ;)
And I'm still hoping I'll wake up in a much bigger house with a nicer car in the driveway. JK
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: BobBX542 on May 21, 2010, 10:48:39 AM
But Kelvin is the guy who told Desmond how pushing the button would save the world. Until it's over-over I'm still hoping for a glimpse of a flashback of this conversation. A few seconds in a Desmond montage would do.  ;)

Flashback of the conversation?? They did a whole episode about this in Season 2. What else are you looking for??
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: LostinLock on May 21, 2010, 04:42:04 PM
Kelvin is still alive--we will see time jump back to the hatch.

Kelvin Big Black Rock Bob Cheers
*Des8

Seriously hang this one up and walk away geesh who unlocked this cave? ;D
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: I_Am_Jacob on May 21, 2010, 04:44:12 PM
Kelvin is still alive--we will see time jump back to the hatch.

Kelvin Big Black Rock Bob Cheers
*Des8

Seriously hang this one up and walk away geesh who unlocked this cave? ;D

They haven't really shown him die....wait yeah they did.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: BobBX542 on May 21, 2010, 05:05:32 PM
Kelvin is still alive--we will see time jump back to the hatch.

Kelvin Big Black Rock Bob Cheers
*Des8

Seriously hang this one up and walk away geesh who unlocked this cave? ;D

You know, I was alittle surprised to see it myself, but this is like one of my greatest pleasures in life. I've just learned to not abuse it.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: LouE68 on May 21, 2010, 05:34:00 PM
He was a pretty rotten character, I dunno why anyone would want him alive to begin with...
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: BobBX542 on May 21, 2010, 06:40:03 PM
He was a pretty rotten character, I dunno why anyone would want him alive to begin with...

Doesn't matter, because he's dead.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: LostinLock on May 21, 2010, 07:50:50 PM
Kelvin is still alive--we will see time jump back to the hatch.

Kelvin Big Black Rock Bob Cheers
*Des8

Seriously hang this one up and walk away geesh who unlocked this cave? ;D

You know, I was alittle surprised to see it myself, but this is like one of my greatest pleasures in life. I've just learned to not abuse it.
I think a year or ten years from now someone will still think he is alive along with others.  I know you love this it is up your alley ;)
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: LouE68 on May 21, 2010, 08:37:34 PM
He was a pretty rotten character, I dunno why anyone would want him alive to begin with...

Doesn't matter, because he's dead.
Isn't that what i just said? ::)
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: ericd543 on May 21, 2010, 08:51:54 PM
But Kelvin is the guy who told Desmond how pushing the button would save the world. Until it's over-over I'm still hoping for a glimpse of a flashback of this conversation. A few seconds in a Desmond montage would do.  ;)
Flashback of the conversation?? They did a whole episode about this in Season 2. What else are you looking for??

1. Kelvin "saves" Desmond from his shipwrecked boat, convincing him to stay inside the hatch due to a quarantine
2. he explains to Desmond what he is doing in the hatch and how pushing the button saves the world.
3. They push the button for a while until Des gets suspicious, confronts Kelvin, and kills him.
4. Desmond turns the Failsafe key.

It's such a crazy thing to do, to push that button. And Desmond was told by Heloise it was the most important thing he would ever do. He was talked into it by Kelvin, who I agree is dead, but we never got part 2. I'd like to see the why. "Saving the world" seems more like a clue than an answer. It begs the question "How?" I'm hoping for another mention of the how and why in a Desmond montage. Is that too much? If Desmond got conned into pushing the button what was the con? Dharma built the hatch for a reason, maybe only to observe the hatch operators, but there was a Failsafe key that actually did something, what's up with that? Kelvin knows and he's not talking. It's frustrating.

I'll chalk it up to just one of those things I'd like to see more of, like Faraday's work in Ann Arbor, or how Ben has access to a powerful off-island resources.  Don't worry. I get ya.  It won't happen, but it's on my wishlist.  I'll learn to live with the disappointment.

Maybe this would be a good place to launch into some Lost fan fiction. Kelvin and Desmond, The Hatch Years.  ;) ;D
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: LostinLock on May 21, 2010, 09:33:12 PM
Eloise -  ;)
It was important he was calling the losties ::)
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Desmond8MyPopRocks on May 24, 2010, 02:40:56 PM
well, damn.  I held out for five long years that Kelvin was still alive.

Oh well, can't win them all.... I just loved seeing Clancy Brown!

cheers
*Des8
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Gar O Mac on May 24, 2010, 04:08:50 PM
The show is over and Kelvin is still dead.  ;D

I win!
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Desmond8MyPopRocks on May 24, 2010, 05:04:37 PM
The show is over and Kelvin is still dead.  ;D

I win!
Yes, Gary, you win!  You are now officially in purgatory :)
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Gar O Mac on May 24, 2010, 05:27:47 PM
That is a win when you think about some of the other place I've been told I was going. lol
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: LostinLock on May 24, 2010, 07:54:20 PM
well, damn.  I held out for five long years that Kelvin was still alive.

Oh well, can't win them all.... I just loved seeing Clancy Brown!

cheers
*Des8
you would not listen  ;D

Now will someone lock this dang thread
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: jugdish on May 24, 2010, 08:02:52 PM
kelvin still Dead, Kelvin still Dead!!!
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: LostinLock on May 24, 2010, 09:11:44 PM
kelvin still Dead, Kelvin still Dead!!!

And to think we almost fell for her theory :D
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Desmond8MyPopRocks on May 24, 2010, 11:13:47 PM
kelvin still Dead, Kelvin still Dead!!!
hee hee... I love you, Juggie :)

cheers
*Des8
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Cardacct on May 25, 2010, 01:28:16 AM
Okay, I stand corrected.  Kelvin is dead.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: ericd543 on May 25, 2010, 07:27:00 AM
Okay, I haven't read this whole thread (so this was probably mentioned), but Kelvin was not buried. I think Clancy Brown still has a chance to be cast in Hugo and Ben's crazy island adventures in "The Others", the painfully obvious sequel to Lost.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: LouE68 on May 26, 2010, 08:38:26 PM
But what is dead? We saw our Losties walking into the white light...so there is something in the Lostverse after your physical bodies dies...
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: nomteticus on May 26, 2010, 11:54:38 PM
Would have been cool for Kelvin to just appear in the Church. Would have freaked the hell out of Desmond (and probably Sayid too).
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: LouE68 on June 04, 2010, 09:08:30 PM
If Kelvin appeared in the church he would have said something like..."I am the ONE! Highlander!"
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: LostinLock on June 05, 2010, 08:07:37 AM
Kelvin was there he was dressed up as another character
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Gar O Mac on June 05, 2010, 05:17:06 PM
My head tries to blow it's self everytime I read this thread. lol
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: LostinLock on June 05, 2010, 08:28:20 PM
Now i am looking for him like Waldo ::)
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: LouE68 on June 05, 2010, 08:36:43 PM
My head tries to blow it's self everytime I read this thread. lol
The Kelvin is trying to kill NPG thread...i knew he was evil LOL
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Gar O Mac on June 06, 2010, 12:25:04 AM
That bastard! lol
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: LouE68 on June 06, 2010, 01:16:02 AM
He sure seems like a meanie....
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: Gar O Mac on June 06, 2010, 05:08:12 AM
Yes, he does.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: LostinLock on June 06, 2010, 06:45:14 AM
 :o
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: LouE68 on June 06, 2010, 08:23:56 PM
Yes, he does.
But as always it's about perspective...haha
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: I_Am_Jacob on June 07, 2010, 10:46:45 AM
Kelvin IS alive! When knocked out he stayed there roasting for a while until the donkey wheel was pushed. He then flashed WITH Ben, although Kelvin was flashed to 1930's America where he became a preacher and eventually participated in his own story of good versus evil against a Ex-Con Carnival worker who looks remarkably similar to Nick Stahl. I wish the writers would have given us THAT story as well.
Title: Re: Anyone think Kelvin may still be alive?
Post by: LostinLock on June 07, 2010, 08:27:17 PM
ha ha ha