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Episode Discussion (Spoiler Free) => Season 2 => Episode 2x23 => Topic started by: shwonline on May 26, 2006, 04:12:59 PM

Title: Desmond's letters in the "snow globe"
Post by: shwonline on May 26, 2006, 04:12:59 PM
Two of Desmond's letters show up in the "snow globe" at the end.  Check especially the shot of the computer with all the IP information on it.  One of the envelopes is on prominent display next to the terminal.
Title: Re: Desmond's letters in the "snow globe"
Post by: psychoag98 on May 26, 2006, 04:35:48 PM
If true, this would be good for an "investigation"...
Title: Re: Desmond's letters in the "snow globe"
Post by: OLLY-wood on May 26, 2006, 04:41:05 PM
If true, this would be good for an "investigation"...
co-signed
Title: Re: Desmond's letters in the "snow globe"
Post by: Pandora on May 26, 2006, 04:58:56 PM
Good catch if this is real...

Sledge's cap unfortunately had the lost.cubit stamp in just the wrong place:
http://lost.cubit.net/pics/2x23/terminal.jpg

...you can see some letters there...

I unfortunately don't have capping software.  I tried to find it off lost-media, but it's missing that one.  I'll ask my friend if he can grab a cap tonight.
Title: Re: Desmond's letters in the "snow globe"
Post by: OLLY-wood on May 26, 2006, 05:23:51 PM
if this is true, then she is definitely after dez and not her father
Title: Re: Desmond's letters in the "snow globe"
Post by: arnezami on May 26, 2006, 06:16:27 PM
It really looks like Desmonds return address is on the letters!

Here are some pretty good HR screenshots (not as sharp as the cubit one but still)

(http://img484.imageshack.us/img484/9525/letters4dd.th.png) (http://img484.imageshack.us/my.php?image=letters4dd.png)

and this one too (from a different shot):

(http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/3027/letters26rx.th.png) (http://img88.imageshack.us/my.php?image=letters26rx.png)

and there is this one too of course (but as mentioned it mostly obstructed).

http://lost.cubit.net/pics/2x23/terminal.jpg (http://lost.cubit.net/pics/2x23/terminal.jpg)

You can compare Desmond's name and address with this one:

http://lost.cubit.net/pics/2x23/letters.jpg (http://lost.cubit.net/pics/2x23/letters.jpg)

Here are some closeups. You can clearly see the first letter is a "D". And if you look at the size and number of the words on each line it perfectly fits. No doubt in my mind this is Desmond's (jail?) address.

(http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/6915/letters1a6xl.png)
(http://img86.imageshack.us/img86/5314/letters32fq.png)

But there is something very odd. Penny's address is not on it! In fact there is no address on it (to send to) at all! But they are stamped...

That's a little confusing. Maybe a little goof?

Title: Re: Desmond's letters in the "snow globe"
Post by: shwonline on May 26, 2006, 06:28:57 PM
Thanks for the better screen caps, arnezami!  I stand vindicated!  ;D
Title: Re: Desmond's letters in the "snow globe"
Post by: Pandora on May 26, 2006, 06:41:18 PM
Thank you arn, for sharing those... great first post!

What an interesting find.  I agree it has confusing implications (continuity issue again? argh).  I don't k now why they would need Desmond's love letters for any purpose.
Title: Re: Desmond's letters in the "snow globe"
Post by: arnezami on May 28, 2006, 07:03:09 AM
Here is an even better screen capture.

http://gtf.org/dan/lost/igloo-computer-data.jpg (http://gtf.org/dan/lost/igloo-computer-data.jpg)

No doubt the letters have Desmonds return address on it.
Title: Re: Desmond's letters in the "snow globe"
Post by: AmazonMonkey on May 28, 2006, 10:56:25 AM

Sorry if someone already said this, but did you notice that these letters are not addressed to anyone?  Hmmm. 
Title: Re: Desmond's letters in the "snow globe"
Post by: timev on May 28, 2006, 12:39:51 PM
Did anyone else notice that the message on the Terminal in the Snow Globe was sent from a private IP address allocation of 10.28.224.18 and sent to another private IP address allocation of 10.49.31.1 Meaning that they might be connected to the Dharma network ?

Whats your thoughts on this guys/girls ?
Title: Re: Desmond's letters in the "snow globe"
Post by: AmazonMonkey on May 28, 2006, 01:28:19 PM
Did anyone else notice that the message on the Terminal in the Snow Globe was sent from a private IP address allocation of 10.28.224.18 and sent to another private IP address allocation of 10.49.31.1 Meaning that they might be connected to the Dharma network ?

Whats your thoughts on this guys/girls ?


I think more secure VPN, not Dharma...
Title: Re: Desmond's letters in the "snow globe"
Post by: WhatThe on May 29, 2006, 06:27:03 AM
I didn't think Penelope got Desmond's letters, since she asked him why he didn't write to her while in jail, and he never told her he did but her father intercepted them. Are they old letters from Desmond that he wrote before he went to prison? And why DO they not have an address on them? Did he just hand deliver them to her instead way back whenever?

Slightly off-topic: notice how both Micheal and Desmond had their letters intercepted (and not destroyed, and given back to them)..Michael's to Walt, and Desmond's to Penelope. Holds significance or just lazy plot devices by the show's writers? lol
Title: Re: Desmond's letters in the "snow globe"
Post by: PurpleLostPrincess on May 29, 2006, 07:18:09 AM
I thought it might help to get a screencap of the ones that he took out of the box whilst in the car for comparison purposes. Also, I was interested to see what Penny's address was but it looks quite normal to me. Also, when he opened up the book, I'm sure more than one letter fell out but he only picked the one up that he then read. Anybody else notice that?


(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v654/theessentialjester/livediecap0109.jpg)

Title: Re: Desmond's letters in the "snow globe"
Post by: AmazonMonkey on May 29, 2006, 12:14:58 PM
I didn't think Penelope got Desmond's letters, since she asked him why he didn't write to her while in jail, and he never told her he did but her father intercepted them. Are they old letters from Desmond that he wrote before he went to prison? And why DO they not have an address on them? Did he just hand deliver them to her instead way back whenever?

Slightly off-topic: notice how both Micheal and Desmond had their letters intercepted (and not destroyed, and given back to them)..Michael's to Walt, and Desmond's to Penelope. Holds significance or just lazy plot devices by the show's writers? lol

My guess is either she found them, or her father gave them back after he was convinced Desmond was either dead (or never coming back).  The missing address still has me stumped.
Title: Re: Desmond's letters in the "snow globe"
Post by: AmazonMonkey on May 29, 2006, 12:19:36 PM
I thought it might help to get a screencap of the ones that he took out of the box whilst in the car for comparison purposes. Also, I was interested to see what Penny's address was but it looks quite normal to me. Also, when he opened up the book, I'm sure more than one letter fell out but he only picked the one up that he then read. Anybody else notice that?


(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v654/theessentialjester/livediecap0109.jpg)



One thing I notices looking at these... the return address vs. the addressee... the "8" has been wrotten two different ways.  One as two circles utop each other, and the other is a sigle stroke 'figure-8'.  The two's in each could be different as well, one look lazier than the other, and the pen stroke starts at a different angle... that one is a stretch though.  The "d"' s however are pretty close with the loopback on the tail (also a single stroke).  I am way oversanylzing but I am just trying to figure out why there would be blank adressee's on the letters in the 'snowglobe'.
Title: Re: Desmond's letters in the "snow globe"
Post by: PurpleLostPrincess on May 29, 2006, 01:03:02 PM
Very good point on the 8's there AmazonMonkey, I hadn't noticed that.  
Title: Re: Desmond's letters in the "snow globe"
Post by: jules778 on May 29, 2006, 05:25:42 PM
One thing I notices looking at these... the return address vs. the addressee... the "8" has been wrotten two different ways.  One as two circles utop each other, and the other is a sigle stroke 'figure-8'.  .

I don't know if it matters but I do this myself quite often.  I will write the eights both ways.  I will also write my two's differently also... some look like a 2 and other have the loopy cursive type two.  Maybe I am weird.
Title: Re: Desmond's letters in the "snow globe"
Post by: jugdish on May 29, 2006, 05:31:31 PM
No idea why those letters would be there. How do they help in their search for desmond? Strange detail. I don't think it is by mistake/.
Title: Re: Desmond's letters in the "snow globe"
Post by: FJSchorr2 on May 29, 2006, 10:05:19 PM
No idea why those letters would be there. How do they help in their search for desmond? Strange detail. I don't think it is by mistake/.

I'm not reading so much into the difference in handwriting between the return address and the mailing address.  I can see the production staff having to hand-address a hundred or so letters, and splitting the task up among several staffers.  Maybe one staffer did all the return addresses and another did the mailing addresses.

Someone correct me on this if I'm wrong, but after Desmond came out of prison, when Penelope's father showed Desmond the box of Desmond's letters that were never delivered, I seem to remember Desmond rifiling through several banded groups of letters.  When the letters were rifled through, only the return addresses were visible.

So I wonder if the mailing addresses never got hand-written on the letters that Desmond rifled through.  Maybe one of those letters (without the mailing address) were used by mistake in the production.  I know this explanation isn't exciting, though...

Title: Re: Desmond's letters in the "snow globe"
Post by: AmazonMonkey on May 29, 2006, 10:23:25 PM
No idea why those letters would be there. How do they help in their search for desmond? Strange detail. I don't think it is by mistake/.

I'm not reading so much into the difference in handwriting between the return address and the mailing address.  I can see the production staff having to hand-address a hundred or so letters, and splitting the task up among several staffers.  Maybe one staffer did all the return addresses and another did the mailing addresses.

Someone correct me on this if I'm wrong, but after Desmond came out of prison, when Penelope's father showed Desmond the box of Desmond's letters that were never delivered, I seem to remember Desmond rifiling through several banded groups of letters.  When the letters were rifled through, only the return addresses were visible.

So I wonder if the mailing addresses never got hand-written on the letters that Desmond rifled through.  Maybe one of those letters (without the mailing address) were used by mistake in the production.  I know this explanation isn't exciting, though...




Just my luck your exactly right ;)
Title: Re: Desmond's letters in the "snow globe"
Post by: jugdish on May 30, 2006, 12:10:04 AM
I just rewatched it and it shows penelope name and address on it.
Title: Re: Desmond's letters in the "snow globe"
Post by: AmazonMonkey on May 30, 2006, 12:17:31 AM
I just rewatched it and it shows penelope name and address on it.

so why is it missing in the screenshot above.  Strange.
Title: Re: Desmond's letters in the "snow globe"
Post by: jugdish on May 30, 2006, 12:20:10 AM
What am I missing. THe screen cap above shows them. Are we talking about 2 different things?
Title: Re: Desmond's letters in the "snow globe"
Post by: AmazonMonkey on May 30, 2006, 12:21:40 AM
What am I missing. THe screen cap above shows them. Are we talking about 2 different things?

Methinks that is the case.  I was talking about the letters next to the email termincal in the snow globe.  You I think are talking about the letters Charles Widmore keeps in his box. No? 
Title: Re: Desmond's letters in the "snow globe"
Post by: jugdish on May 30, 2006, 12:24:00 AM
That is correct. I thought you said when the des looked at them in the car with widmore they did not have them on. Sorry for my misunderstanding
Title: Re: Desmond's letters in the "snow globe"
Post by: AmazonMonkey on May 30, 2006, 12:27:18 AM
That is correct. I thought you said when the des looked at them in the car with widmore they did not have them on. Sorry for my misunderstanding

Ahhh, yeah FJ said that.  I think it was meant that only the top letter in each bundle was truly visible, so there could have been blank ones that were used by mistake (if they existed).  Although this woud be yet another prop screw up and if it were true would cause me to buy ABC so I could fire the prop crew for LOST since they seem to pruposefully screw with continuity to make people like me cry and ask for my mommy.
Title: Re: Desmond's letters in the "snow globe"
Post by: jugdish on May 30, 2006, 12:29:51 AM
Plus you could get the script and find out all the answers to the mysteries and put them in the  spoiler section.
Title: Re: Desmond's letters in the "snow globe"
Post by: Geronimo Jackson on June 05, 2006, 03:14:00 AM
That is correct. I thought you said when the des looked at them in the car with widmore they did not have them on. Sorry for my misunderstanding

Ahhh, yeah FJ said that.  I think it was meant that only the top letter in each bundle was truly visible, so there could have been blank ones that were used by mistake (if they existed).  Although this woud be yet another prop screw up and if it were true would cause me to buy ABC so I could fire the prop crew for LOST since they seem to pruposefully screw with continuity to make people like me cry and ask for my mommy.
If it isa continuity errorplease post it incontinuity errors forum so we can all look at one glance mistakes producers made.
Good screen capPLP No Ididn'tnotice he took one and read it. Penny must have gotten them,maybe dear ole Daddy is deadand she found them,went to visit the snowglobe  and brought some with her to read to feel closer to him.
Title: Re: Desmond's letters in the "snow globe"
Post by: PurpleLostPrincess on June 05, 2006, 06:31:45 AM
That is correct. I thought you said when the des looked at them in the car with widmore they did not have them on. Sorry for my misunderstanding

Ahhh, yeah FJ said that.  I think it was meant that only the top letter in each bundle was truly visible, so there could have been blank ones that were used by mistake (if they existed).  Although this woud be yet another prop screw up and if it were true would cause me to buy ABC so I could fire the prop crew for LOST since they seem to pruposefully screw with continuity to make people like me cry and ask for my mommy.
If it isa continuity errorplease post it incontinuity errors forum so we can all look at one glance mistakes producers made.
Good screen capPLP No Ididn'tnotice he took one and read it. Penny must have gotten them,maybe dear ole Daddy is deadand she found them,went to visit the snowglobe  and brought some with her to read to feel closer to him.

That's a very good point GJ, maybe it's not far from wherever she is living and she often visits there and has lots of her stuff there...?
Title: Re: Desmond's letters in the "snow globe"
Post by: jugdish on June 05, 2006, 05:43:56 PM
That would explain why the letters where there. She had been there. Maybe reading them as she is waiting to see the next magnetic pulse.
Title: Re: Desmond's letters in the "snow globe"
Post by: Geronimo Jackson on June 06, 2006, 03:16:55 PM
Exactly Jugdish (mr.1500) but I doubt if she lives nearby PLPawfully cold climate for artic or antartic.
Title: Re: Desmond's letters in the "snow globe"
Post by: PurpleLostPrincess on June 06, 2006, 05:51:00 PM
True GJ - it's all so confusing - my brain hurts!  
Title: Re: Desmond's letters in the "snow globe"
Post by: Geronimo Jackson on June 06, 2006, 06:05:57 PM
still love ya sister
Title: Re: Desmond's letters in the "snow globe"
Post by: PurpleLostPrincess on June 06, 2006, 06:07:19 PM
Lovin' ya too girl!  
Title: Re: Desmond's letters in the "snow globe"
Post by: Geronimo Jackson on July 10, 2006, 03:03:21 PM
Lovin' ya too girl!  

This an old post I missed.
Title: Re: Desmond's letters in the "snow globe"
Post by: HurleysGirl on July 21, 2006, 09:03:37 PM
Even if she does not live close to the snow globe, remember that she is EXTREMELY wealthy and can probably go anywhere on a moments notice in her private jet (of course she has one!).
Title: Re: Desmond's letters in the "snow globe"
Post by: LostGirlDeb on July 21, 2006, 11:07:01 PM
I agree with HG she IS wealthy afterall
Title: Re: Desmond's letters in the "snow globe"
Post by: Geronimo Jackson on July 22, 2006, 07:32:51 PM
Even if she does not live close to the snow globe, remember that she is EXTREMELY wealthy and can probably go anywhere on a moments notice in her private jet (of course she has one!).
or five six seven eight......
Title: Re: Desmond's letters in the "snow globe"
Post by: DaveDargo on November 27, 2006, 12:09:15 PM
Interestingly (or not) these post codes are real but the streets don't match

Poynders Road,. London SW4 8PS.
Bures , Suffolk  CO8 5WE