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Title: How the death's were handled...
Post by: MachThree on May 05, 2010, 03:19:18 AM
Man, I'm bummed - I thought Sayid deserved to go out a little better than that - not just here one minute, the next running down the passageway and then BOOM.  How about some slow motion and emotive music?

And Jin and Sun - somehow their scenes together this week and last didn't do it for me.  Maybe Jin speaking english changes the chemistry between them but the reunion last week was done poorly (too short before Zoe pulled the guns) and them talking in the cage was good but the death scene was a little corny again - like Jin wants to stay with Sun ok but neither of them is thinking of their about-to-be-orphaned daughter?

Other than that this episode was great, I just wish that they'd done those bits a little bit better.
Title: Re: How the death's were handled...
Post by: KoKoNut on May 05, 2010, 04:18:07 AM
For some reason Sun and Jin's demise was reminiscint of the scene with Jack and Rose in Titanic. I'm a softie so I did cry cuz all I kept thinking about was their little girl who will never see her parents...ugh!!!!

Was sad to see Sayid go as well. It was too quick, I agree...and it made me wonder...was he ever really "infected" at all??
Title: Re: How the death's were handled...
Post by: james_sawyer on May 05, 2010, 05:57:26 AM
sayid at least needed to be shown upfront holding the bomb.. .expected sun to tell jin to go atleast for their daughter  ...still its just hard to feel sad for anybody considering they are all alive and well in alt timeline  ::)
Title: Re: How the death's were handled...
Post by: opgelost on May 05, 2010, 06:33:34 AM
sayid at least needed to be shown upfront holding the bomb.. .expected sun to tell jin to go atleast for their daughter  ...still its just hard to feel sad for anybody considering they are all alive and well in alt timeline  ::)

Yes and there they will raise their daughter together from her birth on.
Title: Re: How the death's were handled...
Post by: jugdish on May 05, 2010, 07:12:36 AM
If that time line stays in tact....

Sayid at least went out a hero. Not a bad ending for a zombie.
Title: Re: How the death's were handled...
Post by: Writers_Strike on May 05, 2010, 07:21:01 AM
Don't tell me you guys are forgetting about the most important man to die last night. Frank, you will be missed. [/sarcasim]
Title: Re: How the death's were handled...
Post by: bfth on May 05, 2010, 09:20:54 AM
Don't tell me you guys are forgetting about the most important man to die last night. Frank, you will be missed. [/sarcasim]

I'M going to miss Frank.  He had some of he best lines...and he was a hell of a fighter!

Bye Frank...we hardly got to know ya!
Title: Re: How the death's were handled...
Post by: CrashandCari on May 05, 2010, 09:49:58 AM
For some reason Sun and Jin's demise was reminiscint of the scene with Jack and Rose in Titanic. I'm a softie so I did cry cuz all I kept thinking about was their little girl who will never see her parents...ugh!!!!

Was sad to see Sayid go as well. It was too quick, I agree...and it made me wonder...was he ever really "infected" at all??

Totally agree with that.. it really had that epic Titanic feel to it.. and I cried so bad..  Was also expecting Sun to tell Jin he needed to go to be with Ji Yeon.

Do we know for sure Frank is dead?  Besides not seeing him wash up on the beach with Hurley, Kate, Jack and Sawyer I mean..
Title: Re: How the death's were handled...
Post by: WhatThe on May 05, 2010, 10:05:47 AM
I liked how they handled Sayid's death. Let's face it, he's been pretty much a loner through the entire run of the series. His only emotiional connection was to Nadia, and she had already died. Sayid's always been a no-nonsense, take charge type of guy, and that's exactly what he did to the very end...I didn't need to see any slow motion running with haunting music, I much preferred seeing the cool, take-charge Sayid make his presence known one last time, and go out a hero.
Title: Re: How the death's were handled...
Post by: BobBX542 on May 05, 2010, 10:12:37 AM
I'm kind of torn over this. I'm really glad that the writers have decided to sack up and start murdering people, but like james_sawyer said, it's not that hard to kill someone, when they will still be alive. The thing that kills me about all of this though is why they didn't kill Kate. The writers missed a really good opportunity to get rid of her at the hands of Widmore's crew, and totally blew it. But I guess that's why I'm not in charge of LOST.
Title: Re: How the death's were handled...
Post by: 00Dawg on May 05, 2010, 10:36:25 AM
I thought the Sun/Jin ending was decently done...I guess.  My wife kept asking why Sun didn't try to wriggle out of her pants, and I was expecting her to tell Jin to go take care of their daughter, but for whatever reason, they didn't go that route.

Sayid's death was indeed quick, but at least he died doing something worthwhile.  Lapidus got one last one-liner, and then went out like a punk.  I expected more for his character.
Title: Re: How the death's were handled...
Post by: CastawayCayley on May 05, 2010, 10:38:53 AM
I thought the Sun/Jin ending was decently done...I guess.  My wife kept asking why Sun didn't try to wriggle out of her pants, and I was expecting her to tell Jin to go take care of their daughter, but for whatever reason, they didn't go that route.

Sayid's death was indeed quick, but at least he died doing something worthwhile.  Lapidus got one last one-liner, and then went out like a punk.  I expected more for his character.

I was thinking the same thing!
Title: Re: How the death's were handled...
Post by: Suzanne4au2 on May 05, 2010, 10:40:49 AM
didn't someone say in chat to cut her legs off  :o
Title: Re: How the death's were handled...
Post by: WhatThe on May 05, 2010, 10:43:08 AM
I thought the Sun/Jin ending was decently done...I guess.  My wife kept asking why Sun didn't try to wriggle out of her pants, and I was expecting her to tell Jin to go take care of their daughter, but for whatever reason, they didn't go that route.

Sayid's death was indeed quick, but at least he died doing something worthwhile.  Lapidus got one last one-liner, and then went out like a punk.  I expected more for his character.

I was thinking the same thing!

It wasn't just her pants leg caught on something, was it? I thought it was some metal railings pinning her against the wall.
Title: Re: How the death's were handled...
Post by: 00Dawg on May 05, 2010, 10:44:14 AM
It wasn't just her pants leg caught on something, was it? I thought it was some metal railings pinning her against the wall.
It was the railings, but she wasn't bleeding, so it looked like her pants were still intact, and she could've at least tried to get loose.
Title: Re: How the death's were handled...
Post by: CastawayCayley on May 05, 2010, 10:50:10 AM
I guess I thought that maybe if she did she would be slipperier and could slide out. But yeah, nothing was probably going to work in this scenario. I was thinking that I would have at least tried that if it were me.
Title: Re: How the death's were handled...
Post by: WhatThe on May 05, 2010, 11:03:10 AM
It wasn't just her pants leg caught on something, was it? I thought it was some metal railings pinning her against the wall.
It was the railings, but she wasn't bleeding, so it looked like her pants were still intact, and she could've at least tried to get loose.

If metal railings are pinning your legs against the wall, taking your pants off will not only be useless, it would be damn near impossible lol. They would have to cut her pants away from her legs. And with water rushing in and the sub quickly sinking, I think trying to move the railings just enough for Sun to squeeze out from behind them was the most logical move for them to make.
Title: Re: How the death's were handled...
Post by: CastawayCayley on May 05, 2010, 11:07:53 AM
well, I feel I should warn you that if any of you are ever in a sinking sub with me I will most likely shout out completely illogical and ridiculous suggestions at the big emotional moments. Then the next day I will realize how useless these suggestions were.

So you can't get mad at me. I did warn you.
Title: Re: How the death's were handled...
Post by: BobBX542 on May 05, 2010, 11:49:06 AM
Since we're discussing the ridiculousness of it all, did no one else think that if the cabinet that fell was that friggin heavy, that maybe they strap it down?? I mean, I know it wasn't the losties fault, but Widmore's crew should have been smarter than that.
Title: Re: How the death's were handled...
Post by: grizn0 on May 05, 2010, 11:52:11 AM
Frank's last words were "Aw hell no..." who is this guy? martin Lawrence? I thought they could have done better for poor Frank. Hey, at least Miles is still around!
Title: Re: How the death's were handled...
Post by: Writers_Strike on May 05, 2010, 12:31:22 PM
Since we're discussing the ridiculousness of it all, did no one else think that if the cabinet that fell was that friggin heavy, that maybe they strap it down?? I mean, I know it wasn't the losties fault, but Widmore's crew should have been smarter than that.
4 bricks of C4 has a way of loosening things.
Title: Re: How the death's were handled...
Post by: KoKoNut on May 05, 2010, 12:44:21 PM
Frank's last words were "Aw hell no..." who is this guy? martin Lawrence? I thought they could have done better for poor Frank. Hey, at least Miles is still around!

I couldn't help thinking that maybe he didn't die, because all it really showed was him getting blasted over when the water came gushing in.  But then I remember reading somewhere that there were 4 deaths, so he would definitely make the fourth...

But then again, as mentioned in previous posts, everybody is still alive and kickin' in the side time-line. 

So...   if you're dead in one time line does that have any affect on the side time line? Well, apparently not cuz Charlie seemed alright. Hmmm. Okay, I'm really not understanding this side time-line thing. 
Title: Re: How the death's were handled...
Post by: TvFantic on May 05, 2010, 12:53:21 PM
I actually forgot Lapidus died (or so we think) until I started reading this thread.  I agree with earlier comments it had a Titanic feel.  I was totally not expecting them to die.  I thought the death scenes where good just not expected.  I do have the one hang up with Jin and Sun's daughter, neither thought about her in those last moments.
Title: Re: How the death's were handled...
Post by: lostfan777 on May 05, 2010, 01:33:45 PM
I thought the Sun/Jin ending was decently done...I guess.  My wife kept asking why Sun didn't try to wriggle out of her pants, and I was expecting her to tell Jin to go take care of their daughter, but for whatever reason, they didn't go that route.

Sayid's death was indeed quick, but at least he died doing something worthwhile.  Lapidus got one last one-liner, and then went out like a punk.  I expected more for his character.

I was hoping she'd at least try to wriggle out of her BLOUSE one more time!   :o  Seriously, though, the characters were done (in this timeline, at least) and Jin had to go out looking heroic.  If they had Sun insisting he leave for the sake of their daughter and he still insisted on staying, he wouldn't look as heroic in the minds of the viewers who have children of their own.  In reality, when you have kids, protecting them becomes the number one priority, even over the safety of yourself or your spouse.  But it doesn't make for a very romantic death scene!
Title: Re: How the death's were handled...
Post by: KoKoNut on May 05, 2010, 01:35:00 PM
I thought the Sun/Jin ending was decently done...I guess.  My wife kept asking why Sun didn't try to wriggle out of her pants, and I was expecting her to tell Jin to go take care of their daughter, but for whatever reason, they didn't go that route.

Sayid's death was indeed quick, but at least he died doing something worthwhile.  Lapidus got one last one-liner, and then went out like a punk.  I expected more for his character.

I was hoping she'd at least try to wriggle out of her BLOUSE one more time!   :o  Seriously, though, the characters were done (in this timeline, at least) and Jin had to go out looking heroic.  If they had Sun insisting he leave for the sake of their daughter and he still insisted on staying, he wouldn't look as heroic in the minds of the viewers who have children of their own.  In reality, when you have kids, protecting them becomes the number one priority, even over the safety of yourself or your spouse.  But it doesn't make for a very romantic death scene!

And Jin did promise Sun he would NEVER leave her again. And he was true to his word.  :(
Title: Re: How the death's were handled...
Post by: I_Am_Jacob on May 05, 2010, 01:36:06 PM
Yeah I think dying in one timline helps you realize sooner in the SideLinetm  This theory is still working itself out and all, but I think it may hold some water.
Title: Re: How the death's were handled...
Post by: zeekloveslost on May 05, 2010, 01:59:02 PM
..sometimes you eat the bar...
Title: Re: How the death's were handled...
Post by: CaseyMac on May 05, 2010, 03:01:00 PM
I might just be in a bit of shock or minor depression over losing so many characters in such a short amount of time, however, I was slightly disappointed as well.
Frank...he got 1 last good line in before he died, so that was fitting.
Sayid....an Iraqi blowing himself up, not very original, but the fact that he sacrificed himself was cool.
Sun & Jin...I'm really bummed about them. I was pretty convinced they would have a "happily ever after". However, as sad as their deaths were, I don't think it captured the same emotion as even Charlie's death. I don't know if it was the writing, or the director unable to get the performance out of the actors, or the way it was edited, but whatever it was, I think it could have been a stronger moment.
Title: Re: How the death's were handled...
Post by: Writers_Strike on May 05, 2010, 03:20:12 PM
Would have been so much better if Jin made the decision to leave Sun behind. The emotion in that moment would carry so much better then what happened. The downside is you now need to find a way for Jin to get off the island and back to his daughter, or kill him off 2 episodes later.
Title: Re: How the death's were handled...
Post by: I_Am_Jacob on May 05, 2010, 03:24:05 PM
I tin kthe difference between the Charlie death and JinSun was the difference in the plot leading up to it. Charlie had one of the best and most gut wrenching episodes ever with Greatest Hits and he was still very much a regular figure in the story arc. JinSun on the other hand had pretty much fallen out of the current arc and I think alot of people were left wanting more from their reunion. When they were killed off before all that emotional stuff could take place I think it shortchanged their deaths.
Title: Re: How the death's were handled...
Post by: WhatThe on May 05, 2010, 03:24:24 PM
I thought the Sun/Jin ending was decently done...I guess.  My wife kept asking why Sun didn't try to wriggle out of her pants, and I was expecting her to tell Jin to go take care of their daughter, but for whatever reason, they didn't go that route.

Sayid's death was indeed quick, but at least he died doing something worthwhile.  Lapidus got one last one-liner, and then went out like a punk.  I expected more for his character.

I was hoping she'd at least try to wriggle out of her BLOUSE one more time!   :o 

LoL Me, too! "Why didn't she take her pants off? Why didn't she take her shirt off? What the hell was she doing wearing a bra?"
Title: Re: How the death's were handled...
Post by: KoKoNut on May 05, 2010, 03:31:54 PM
Everything just seems so rushed now. I just wish there was more time to really wrap things up in a more satisfying manner. I'm happy to get answers, but now it just seems like they are firing them at us like Nerf rockets.

Title: Re: How the death's were handled...
Post by: BobBX542 on May 05, 2010, 03:32:44 PM
Since we're discussing the ridiculousness of it all, did no one else think that if the cabinet that fell was that friggin heavy, that maybe they strap it down?? I mean, I know it wasn't the losties fault, but Widmore's crew should have been smarter than that.
4 bricks of C4 has a way of loosening things.

Okay, you got me there, but if you want to argue the affect that 4 blocks of C4 would have, wouldn't there have been a much bigger hole, and alot more fire?? LOL Like I said, the ridiculousness of it all.

..sometimes you eat the bar...

Achiever, or amateur??

I actually forgot Lapidus died (or so we think) until I started reading this thread.  I agree with earlier comments it had a Titanic feel.  I was totally not expecting them to die.  I thought the death scenes where good just not expected.  I do have the one hang up with Jin and Sun's daughter, neither thought about her in those last moments.

Lapidus is deffinitely dead. The door that hit him shot off of the hinges because of all of the pressure behind it, then hit him in the head, knocked him out, then the sub flooded. IF he lived through that, then the writing on this show just went downhill. But I guess you can't really call them on it, considering that there are only 3 episodes left.
Title: Re: How the death's were handled...
Post by: CaseyMac on May 05, 2010, 03:34:52 PM
Lapidus is deffinitely dead. The door that hit him shot off of the hinges because of all of the pressure behind it, then hit him in the head, knocked him out, then the sub flooded. IF he lived through that, then the writing on this show just went downhill. But I guess you can't really call them on it, considering that there are only 3 episodes left.

Yeah, only Mikail could have survived that.
Title: Re: How the death's were handled...
Post by: BobBX542 on May 05, 2010, 03:36:14 PM
Lapidus is deffinitely dead. The door that hit him shot off of the hinges because of all of the pressure behind it, then hit him in the head, knocked him out, then the sub flooded. IF he lived through that, then the writing on this show just went downhill. But I guess you can't really call them on it, considering that there are only 3 episodes left.

Yeah, only Mikail could have survived that.

Touch'e good sir.
Title: Re: How the death's were handled...
Post by: KoKoNut on May 05, 2010, 03:36:33 PM
Lapidus is deffinitely dead. The door that hit him shot off of the hinges because of all of the pressure behind it, then hit him in the head, knocked him out, then the sub flooded. IF he lived through that, then the writing on this show just went downhill. But I guess you can't really call them on it, considering that there are only 3 episodes left.

Yeah, only Mikail could have survived that.

 :D
Title: Re: How the death's were handled...
Post by: I_Am_Jacob on May 05, 2010, 03:41:57 PM
..sometimes you eat the bar...

So far we have, what appear to me, to be a series of victimless crimes.
Title: Re: How the death's were handled...
Post by: MachThree on May 05, 2010, 03:44:43 PM
Okay, you got me there, but if you want to argue the affect that 4 blocks of C4 would have, wouldn't there have been a much bigger hole, and alot more fire?? LOL Like I said, the ridiculousness of it all.


Yeah, I'm not sure how it is we're meant to think that a similar amount of C4 blew the first sub to smithereens when Locke blew it up back in season 3, yet only below a small hole in this sub - even though this sub did seem a bit larger. 

Anyhow, a detail that probably isn't at all important.
Title: Re: How the death's were handled...
Post by: BobBX542 on May 05, 2010, 03:54:33 PM
..sometimes you eat the bar...

So far we have, what appear to me, to be a series of victimless crimes.

It don't matter to Jesus.
Title: Re: How the death's were handled...
Post by: lostfromthestart on May 05, 2010, 05:30:17 PM
I thought the Sun/Jin ending was decently done...I guess.  My wife kept asking why Sun didn't try to wriggle out of her pants, and I was expecting her to tell Jin to go take care of their daughter, but for whatever reason, they didn't go that route.

Sayid's death was indeed quick, but at least he died doing something worthwhile.  Lapidus got one last one-liner, and then went out like a punk.  I expected more for his character.

I was hoping she'd at least try to wriggle out of her BLOUSE one more time!   :o 

LoL Me, too! "Why didn't she take her pants off? Why didn't she take her shirt off? What the hell was she doing wearing a bra?"

I can't argue with that.... but the point everyone is missing is... why was Sun standing behind a cabinet and some dangerous beams at the time of the explosion?  Wasn't she right next to everyone else as the bomb was ticking?  Or did she say "Jin, you stay there and watch and tell me what happens, if you live.  I'll be hiding over here behind these things that could pin me down."

Still, a little nudity could have helped the ratings.  It is sweep month, you know.
Title: Re: How the death's were handled...
Post by: I_Am_Jacob on May 05, 2010, 05:32:04 PM
I thought the Sun/Jin ending was decently done...I guess.  My wife kept asking why Sun didn't try to wriggle out of her pants, and I was expecting her to tell Jin to go take care of their daughter, but for whatever reason, they didn't go that route.

Sayid's death was indeed quick, but at least he died doing something worthwhile.  Lapidus got one last one-liner, and then went out like a punk.  I expected more for his character.

I was hoping she'd at least try to wriggle out of her BLOUSE one more time!   :o 

LoL Me, too! "Why didn't she take her pants off? Why didn't she take her shirt off? What the hell was she doing wearing a bra?"

I can't argue with that.... but the point everyone is missing is... why was Sun standing behind a cabinet and some dangerous beams at the time of the explosion?  Wasn't she right next to everyone else as the bomb was ticking?  Or did she say "Jin, you stay there and watch and tell me what happens, if you live.  I'll be hiding over here behind these things that could pin me down."

Still, a little nudity could have helped the ratings.  It is sweep month, you know.

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