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Title: Death count tonight
Post by: jugdish on May 05, 2010, 12:08:31 AM
So we have Sun, Jin, Sayid and Lapidus all dead correct.
Why did they ever have lapidus on this show. he had some good lines but he served no purpose at all.
Title: Re: Death count tonight
Post by: I_Am_Jacob on May 05, 2010, 12:28:02 AM
Yeah maybe the only thing was to hold out hope that they could fly away.
Title: Re: Death count tonight
Post by: lovinlost on May 05, 2010, 02:06:50 AM
So we have Sun, Jin, Sayid and Lapidus all dead correct.
Why did they ever have lapidus on this show. he had some good lines but he served no purpose at all.

Maybe as a kind of red herring to make us believe that he was there to get them off the island on the plane?
Or...he's not really dead yet?  And he will get them off on the plane?  The plane isn't blown up (yet), and they did not show Lapidus dead.
Title: Re: Death count tonight
Post by: Numbers Junkie on May 05, 2010, 02:17:50 AM
So we have Sun, Jin, Sayid and Lapidus all dead correct.
Why did they ever have lapidus on this show. he had some good lines but he served no purpose at all.

Maybe as a kind of red herring to make us believe that he was there to get them off the island on the plane?
Or...he's not really dead yet?  And he will get them off on the plane?  The plane isn't blown up (yet), and they did not show Lapidus dead.

Lapidus may not be dead.

Better Q may be who is alive?

Jack
Hugo
Saywer
Kate -all 4 together
Desmond - in the well
Miles
Ben
Richard - All 3 together
Cindy, the Kids and the others - but who cares?
Widmore and Zoe
and of course, MIB
Title: Re: Death count tonight
Post by: MachThree on May 05, 2010, 03:02:12 AM
Yeah, I think Chesty / Kenny Rogers bought the farm.  He was either killed outright from that bump on the head, or was knocked unconcious and didn't make it out of the sub.  Too bad no one on board wanted to save Frank. 
Title: Re: Death count tonight
Post by: Xentro on May 05, 2010, 07:28:36 AM
So we have Sun, Jin, Sayid and Lapidus all dead correct.
Why did they ever have lapidus on this show. he had some good lines but he served no purpose at all.

Maybe as a kind of red herring to make us believe that he was there to get them off the island on the plane?
Or...he's not really dead yet?  And he will get them off on the plane?  The plane isn't blown up (yet), and they did not show Lapidus dead.

Well if you watch lost untangled. The puppet said that: killing Sayid is dead together with Jin & Sun. But he didn't mention Burt Reynolds ;) is dead.

However, I liked Lapidus a lot, even if he is used as a red herring.
Title: Re: Death count tonight
Post by: bfth on May 05, 2010, 09:18:47 AM
I really liked Lapidus.  But he's gone now. :(
Title: Re: Death count tonight
Post by: WhatThe on May 05, 2010, 10:46:25 AM

Lapidus may not be dead.

Better Q may be who is alive?

Jack
Hugo
Saywer
Kate -all 4 together

The same 4 people Michael was asked to bring back to the Others.

I wonder if that list was really from Jacob, or if it was from MiB?
Title: Re: Death count tonight
Post by: sobrien on May 05, 2010, 11:00:27 AM

Lapidus may not be dead.

Better Q may be who is alive?

Jack
Hugo
Saywer
Kate -all 4 together

The same 4 people Michael was asked to bring back to the Others.

I wonder if that list was really from Jacob, or if it was from MiB?


MIB (at least now) doesn't seem concerned with Kate.  At the time, I thought the Others were not concerned with Hugo - he was brought as a messenger - not really part of the group.  Jack and Sawyer seem to be the important ones in common to both MIB and Jacob.

Also, isn't Claire on the "living" list - she was with MIB as he went off to finish what he started.
Title: Re: Death count tonight
Post by: BobBX542 on May 05, 2010, 11:07:28 AM
So we have Sun, Jin, Sayid and Lapidus all dead correct.
Why did they ever have lapidus on this show. he had some good lines but he served no purpose at all.

Well, he might have served no purpose, but I mean you could say that about so many other people as well. Libby, Anna Lucia, Rose, Bernard, etc. Hell, even one of the key character on the show (and your favorite), Kate serves no real purpose. After last night's episode, we were basically told that she serves no purpose from now on. I don't think this is something we need to concern ourselves with. Television is filled with unnecessary characters.
Title: Re: Death count tonight
Post by: grizn0 on May 05, 2010, 11:58:01 AM

Lapidus may not be dead.

Better Q may be who is alive?

Jack
Hugo
Saywer
Kate -all 4 together

The same 4 people Michael was asked to bring back to the Others.

I wonder if that list was really from Jacob, or if it was from MiB?

I still say that was just Ben putting pieces into place to get Jack to perform the operation on him.
Title: Re: Death count tonight
Post by: trodge on May 05, 2010, 12:01:29 PM

Lapidus may not be dead.

Better Q may be who is alive?

Jack
Hugo
Saywer
Kate -all 4 together

The same 4 people Michael was asked to bring back to the Others.

I wonder if that list was really from Jacob, or if it was from MiB?


I laughed last night when it was just the four of them, I then said, isn't it funny that it's these four.  The same four from three years ago on the dock.
Title: Re: Death count tonight
Post by: lostfan777 on May 05, 2010, 01:15:44 PM
So we have Sun, Jin, Sayid and Lapidus all dead correct.
Why did they ever have lapidus on this show. he had some good lines but he served no purpose at all.
Yeah maybe the only thing was to hold out hope that they could fly away.

It's always good to keep a pilot handy when you're trying to get off an island, so I think his character served a purpose.  He had some good lines, too.  I loved how no matter what was happening around him, he always stayed cool.  At least he did up until Smokie arrived and he did a 'modified stationary panic' in the cage!   ;D
Title: Re: Death count tonight
Post by: DizzyIzzy on May 05, 2010, 03:18:40 PM
I like the Lapis character, the one who should have been on the plane, but wasn't. I did stop caring about any character this year because I think they are all going to die. In one universe or another each one choose to kill, harm, steal, lie, cheat, and other things considered bad, evil, shall we say a sin.  Lapis was redeemed? Who knows.
Title: Re: Death count tonight
Post by: jugdish on May 06, 2010, 12:43:55 AM
So we have Sun, Jin, Sayid and Lapidus all dead correct.
Why did they ever have lapidus on this show. he had some good lines but he served no purpose at all.

Well, he might have served no purpose, but I mean you could say that about so many other people as well. Libby, Anna Lucia, Rose, Bernard, etc. Hell, even one of the key character on the show (and your favorite), Kate serves no real purpose. After last night's episode, we were basically told that she serves no purpose from now on. I don't think this is something we need to concern ourselves with. Television is filled with unnecessary characters.

Eye candy serves a purpose.

She was an original cast member. Have not understood why they added lapidus and miles. Just crowded the show so far. 
Title: Re: Death count tonight
Post by: BobBX542 on May 06, 2010, 12:49:39 AM
So we have Sun, Jin, Sayid and Lapidus all dead correct.
Why did they ever have lapidus on this show. he had some good lines but he served no purpose at all.

Well, he might have served no purpose, but I mean you could say that about so many other people as well. Libby, Anna Lucia, Rose, Bernard, etc. Hell, even one of the key character on the show (and your favorite), Kate serves no real purpose. After last night's episode, we were basically told that she serves no purpose from now on. I don't think this is something we need to concern ourselves with. Television is filled with unnecessary characters.

Eye candy serves a purpose.

She was an original cast member. Have not understood why they added lapidus and miles. Just crowded the show so far. 

Oh, I agree, about Miles and Frank anyway. Not about Kate, but we both know where we each stand on that side of the fence, so no need to rehash. I was just pointing out that there are a lot of useless characters, so you can't really nit pick Lapidus.
Title: Re: Death count tonight
Post by: Holland34 on May 06, 2010, 01:20:18 AM
I wouldn't call Lapidus and Miles "useless".  I think a lot of shows use "outsiders" to help talk directly to viewers.  It would be odd for the people who've been on the show forever to ask certain questions, but a newbie has more free reign.  For example, one of my favorite Lost scenes is the whole Hurley / Miles conversation about time travel.  Not sure Hurley could have really had that same conversation with anyone else with the same effect.  Just my two cents.
Title: Re: Death count tonight
Post by: BobBX542 on May 06, 2010, 09:52:35 AM
I wouldn't call Lapidus and Miles "useless".  I think a lot of shows use "outsiders" to help talk directly to viewers.  It would be odd for the people who've been on the show forever to ask certain questions, but a newbie has more free reign.  For example, one of my favorite Lost scenes is the whole Hurley / Miles conversation about time travel.  Not sure Hurley could have really had that same conversation with anyone else with the same effect.  Just my two cents.

I hadn't thought about that, and I guess you're right, but I was saying useless in regards to moving the story along and having some affect on the island for the people, not the viewer.
Title: Re: Death count tonight
Post by: grizn0 on May 06, 2010, 11:25:30 AM
I think they could have used Miles way more. Like at the end of season 4 when him, Calire, and Sawyer are making their way back to beach he has that line asking Claire if she's "sure she's ok". And when he kinda looked like he knew something was up with Sayid. They probably could have used his character to move those parts of the story along more. Plus, he's awesome; so they should have used him more just because of that. Out of all the freighter people Faraday was the only real important one.
Title: Re: Death count tonight
Post by: *MaZ* on May 06, 2010, 11:58:50 AM
So we have Sun, Jin, Sayid and Lapidus all dead correct.
Why did they ever have lapidus on this show. he had some good lines but he served no purpose at all.
Don't forget Claire! She's with MIB and she must be mad- they left her behind yet again!!!!

Maybe as a kind of red herring to make us believe that he was there to get them off the island on the plane?
Or...he's not really dead yet?  And he will get them off on the plane?  The plane isn't blown up (yet), and they did not show Lapidus dead.

Lapidus may not be dead.

Better Q may be who is alive?

Jack
Hugo
Saywer
Kate -all 4 together
Desmond - in the well
Miles
Ben
Richard - All 3 together
Cindy, the Kids and the others - but who cares?
Widmore and Zoe
and of course, MIB
Title: Re: Death count tonight
Post by: lostfan777 on May 06, 2010, 12:52:53 PM
I think they could have used Miles way more. Like at the end of season 4 when him, Calire, and Sawyer are making their way back to beach he has that line asking Claire if she's "sure she's ok". And when he kinda looked like he knew something was up with Sayid. They probably could have used his character to move those parts of the story along more. Plus, he's awesome; so they should have used him more just because of that. Out of all the freighter people Faraday was the only real important one.

I can't believe they had a guy on the island who could tell the final moments of people who died there and the only thing they used him for was the one line from Juliet and to dig up Nikki's diamonds!  Maybe there were others, but I thought they were going to make the most out of his special ability when they first introduced him.  I was picturing a scene in the cave where he'd pass the skeletons of Adam and Eve and suddenly turn to a couple of the other characters and say, "Whoa, dude, that's you guys!".  Could've been a cool tool to use more.
Title: Re: Death count tonight
Post by: grizn0 on May 06, 2010, 01:04:20 PM
I think they could have used Miles way more. Like at the end of season 4 when him, Calire, and Sawyer are making their way back to beach he has that line asking Claire if she's "sure she's ok". And when he kinda looked like he knew something was up with Sayid. They probably could have used his character to move those parts of the story along more. Plus, he's awesome; so they should have used him more just because of that. Out of all the freighter people Faraday was the only real important one.

I can't believe they had a guy on the island who could tell the final moments of people who died there and the only thing they used him for was the one line from Juliet and to dig up Nikki's diamonds!  Maybe there were others, but I thought they were going to make the most out of his special ability when they first introduced him.  I was picturing a scene in the cave where he'd pass the skeletons of Adam and Eve and suddenly turn to a couple of the other characters and say, "Whoa, dude, that's you guys!".  Could've been a cool tool to use more.
My point exactly. He and Hurley could have teamed up with their talking to dead people abilities and done or revealed something cool. But alas, they did not. Well, he's not dead yet so maybe he will do something cool in the next 2 episodes (that he may or may not be in).
Title: Re: Death count tonight
Post by: conway on May 06, 2010, 01:35:21 PM
I have enjoyed the Miles and Lapidus characters. Since they had killed off or lost so many main characters it was nice to see a couple of interesting characters.
I may be wrong but did not Miles walk along and identify where Danielle and Karl were buried?  I agree that his services could have been used  more effectively
but he and  LaFleur were good together.  I hope Lapidus came to and swam out
. even if he arrivs at a different spot. I have enjoyed his character, limited as it has been at times.
I was hoping they would all leave ,again with Penny showing up again looking for Desmond.  I know it is  too much of a happy ending but we know Widmore would protect her under any circumstance. I do not know why people are so angry with Kate. I have enjoyed her character since she was very capable and instrumental in tracking and such. She was not a flake like Shannon and basically pretty inept like Claire.  I liked Danielle for her coping skills as well. The only characters I did
not mind them losing were Nikki and Paulo and Charlie...Shannon as well.  I really missed Eko and Libby and Alex as well. Perhaps Flocke will kill them all and it will be a moot point.
Title: Re: Death count tonight
Post by: CaseyMac on May 06, 2010, 08:08:08 PM
I have a problem calling any of the characters "pointless" or "useless". It's like in baseball, if the ball isn't hit into left field, does that mean the left fielder is useless? No. Sometimes characters are just there to support other characters. Not everyone can be the protagonist.
Title: Re: Death count tonight
Post by: I_Am_Jacob on May 07, 2010, 12:43:55 AM
Yeah I think Miles still may have a part to play.
Title: Re: Death count tonight
Post by: Holland34 on May 07, 2010, 04:05:55 AM
I have a problem calling any of the characters "pointless" or "useless". It's like in baseball, if the ball isn't hit into left field, does that mean the left fielder is useless? No. Sometimes characters are just there to support other characters. Not everyone can be the protagonist.
Well said, Casey!
Title: Re: Death count tonight
Post by: lostfan777 on May 07, 2010, 10:25:36 AM
Yeah I think Miles still may have a part to play.

Well, he's still alive, right?  Then again, Lapidus was still alive right up until he wasn't! 
Title: Re: Death count tonight
Post by: BobBX542 on May 07, 2010, 10:26:13 AM
I have a problem calling any of the characters "pointless" or "useless". It's like in baseball, if the ball isn't hit into left field, does that mean the left fielder is useless? No. Sometimes characters are just there to support other characters. Not everyone can be the protagonist.

Yes, that is exactly what it means. His skill and talent were not used, so therefore, he was without use, or "Usless" as the kids say.
Title: Re: Death count tonight
Post by: Madam P on May 07, 2010, 12:42:42 PM
Why are you guys so sure Lapidus is dead?

It never even occurred to me that he was dead until I just now read this thread...  I don't think he's dead yet.  I think he's going to wash up somewhere still.  They would've showed us his dead body if he was dead... like they showed Jin's and Sun's hands floating apart.
Title: Re: Death count tonight
Post by: I_Am_Jacob on May 07, 2010, 12:44:07 PM
Yeah The otehrs that escaped the sub had Oxygen helpers for their trek from the depths. Frank would have had a LONG time of holding his breath.
Title: Re: Death count tonight
Post by: BobBX542 on May 07, 2010, 12:53:54 PM
Yeah The otehrs that escaped the sub had Oxygen helpers for their trek from the depths. Frank would have had a LONG time of holding his breath.

Which would have been tricky seeing as how he was knocked out cold.
Title: Re: Death count tonight
Post by: I_Am_Jacob on May 07, 2010, 12:54:50 PM
Yeah The otehrs that escaped the sub had Oxygen helpers for their trek from the depths. Frank would have had a LONG time of holding his breath.

Which would have been tricky seeing as how he was knocked out cold.

Just a bit.
Title: Re: Death count tonight
Post by: Madam P on May 07, 2010, 01:00:34 PM
Always with the negative vibes, Moriarty...
Title: Re: Death count tonight
Post by: BobBX542 on May 07, 2010, 03:32:20 PM
Always with the negative vibes, Moriarty...

Madam, I try not to jump into these "arguements" (anymore), but look at the evidence. Frank was standing in the hall way, a mere few feet away from the (what I am presuming to be) solid steel door that was blown off it's hinges from the water pressure behind it (which equates to somewhere around a metric BUTT TON OF ENERGY), and hit him in the head. That alone would be enough to kill him, but I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt and saying it simply knocked him out. Now that he is knocked out though, the sub is flooding, and he will drown. I'm not being negative, just realistic, or about as realistic as I can be considering this is a fictional TV show.
Title: Re: Death count tonight
Post by: I_Am_Jacob on May 07, 2010, 03:52:25 PM
Always with the negative vibes, Moriarty...

Madam, I try not to jump into these "arguements" (anymore), but look at the evidence. Frank was standing in the hall way, a mere few feet away from the (what I am presuming to be) solid steel door that was blown off it's hinges from the water pressure behind it (which equates to somewhere around a metric BUTT TON OF ENERGY), and hit him in the head. That alone would be enough to kill him, but I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt and saying it simply knocked him out. Now that he is knocked out though, the sub is flooding, and he will drown. I'm not being negative, just realistic, or about as realistic as I can be considering this is a fictional TV show.

Fear the "Metric Butt Ton" of force. Brutal. HAHA
Title: Re: Death count tonight
Post by: Madam P on May 07, 2010, 04:26:23 PM
Always with the negative vibes, Moriarty...

Madam, I try not to jump into these "arguements" (anymore), but look at the evidence. Frank was standing in the hall way, a mere few feet away from the (what I am presuming to be) solid steel door that was blown off it's hinges from the water pressure behind it (which equates to somewhere around a metric BUTT TON OF ENERGY), and hit him in the head. That alone would be enough to kill him, but I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt and saying it simply knocked him out. Now that he is knocked out though, the sub is flooding, and he will drown. I'm not being negative, just realistic, or about as realistic as I can be considering this is a fictional TV show.

Fear the "Metric Butt Ton" of force. Brutal. HAHA

Oh, ye men of science.  Have a little faith!  LOL.  I just want Frank to have another role to fill yet, I guess.  Somebody's got to fly that plane...
Title: Re: Death count tonight
Post by: I_Am_Jacob on May 07, 2010, 04:38:59 PM
NO one really has to fly the plane. If everyone in Island time is either slated to die or stay than no plane is needed. If in fact some people are slated to leave the Island than maybe John Locke will gain some semblance of consciousness from the SideLinetm and fly the jet. Far fetched, but Kurt Russel did it in Executive Decision with Halle Berry as his stewardess copilot.
Title: Re: Death count tonight
Post by: Madam P on May 07, 2010, 04:59:19 PM
I know nobody actually has to fly the plane.  But don't you think they have to THINK somebody's gonna fly the plane?  I mean, I can't imagine they're all going to pull a Jack and just say "I'm just going to stay here and die on the Island, because that's what I'm supposed to do."  I'm thinking at least SOME of whomever is left is going to be heading for that plane, and they surely must have some thought in mind as to who will be flying it once they get there, or they wouldn't head there in the first place.   So for purposes of the story or how it might end -- no, we might not necessarily need a plane.  Everybody might die and thus Alt-Timeline will be born or something.  But THEY won't know that.

Or, maybe Lapidus dying is the writers' way of writing-off the plane as an exit option.  Like Hurley will say "Well, guess we can't use the plane, dudes, 'cause Frank is, like, all dead and stuff." 


Are there any other ways left to get off the island?  (Other than the donkey-wheel room, maybe?)  Where is the yacht, The Elizabeth? 
Title: Re: Death count tonight
Post by: BobBX542 on May 07, 2010, 07:10:27 PM
I still don't understand how anyone is even thinking that the plane will even BE ABLE to get off the island. I was a doubter when it came to Frank landing the beast, but I was sadly mistaken, and I have come to terms with that. The truth of the matter though is that when it comes to landing a plane, all you really need is a place to put it down. Taking off is a much tougher process. Right now that plane is butted up against a mess of trees, so it is going to have to turn around to be able to even start moving forward, and that runway is no where near long enough to get a plane that size up to speed. I'm sorry, but taking off in that plane has always been a pipe dream.
Title: Re: Death count tonight
Post by: Madam P on May 07, 2010, 07:26:02 PM
You're right -- it is pretty ridiculous. 

About as ridiculous as "Hey, let's dip this mostly-dead guy in that water over there and see if he wakes up."  Or "Let's sprinkle some of this ash around us so that black smoke thingy can't smash our brains out."  Or "Let me stand on the deck of this freighter that's about to blow into a million smithereens and toss me out in the middle of the ocean -- I'll probably make it OK."  Or "Let me hammer on the end of this nuclear device with a rock so that we'll all get to travel to a different time zone."  Or "Let me just push this donkey-wheel all the way around, and then this entire island will *blip* down into the ocean like a diving porpoise." 

 ;D  Just jerkin' your chain, you logical scientist, you. 
Title: Re: Death count tonight
Post by: BobBX542 on May 07, 2010, 08:45:07 PM
You're right -- it is pretty ridiculous. 

About as ridiculous as "Hey, let's dip this mostly-dead guy in that water over there and see if he wakes up."  Or "Let's sprinkle some of this ash around us so that black smoke thingy can't smash our brains out."  Or "Let me stand on the deck of this freighter that's about to blow into a million smithereens and toss me out in the middle of the ocean -- I'll probably make it OK."  Or "Let me hammer on the end of this nuclear device with a rock so that we'll all get to travel to a different time zone."  Or "Let me just push this donkey-wheel all the way around, and then this entire island will *blip* down into the ocean like a diving porpoise." 

 ;D  Just jerkin' your chain, you logical scientist, you. 

Yes, okay, you're right, but just because I've accepted all that doesn't mean I have to accept this. LOL I mean if you really want me to bend my imagination that far, then why don't they just flap their arms really hard and fly off??
Title: Re: Death count tonight
Post by: CaseyMac on May 07, 2010, 08:48:19 PM
I have a problem calling any of the characters "pointless" or "useless". It's like in baseball, if the ball isn't hit into left field, does that mean the left fielder is useless? No. Sometimes characters are just there to support other characters. Not everyone can be the protagonist.

Yes, that is exactly what it means. His skill and talent were not used, so therefore, he was without use, or "Usless" as the kids say.

First, there is a difference between "unused" and "useless". I think you are getting into a very slippery slope in saying which characters have been pointless. Is Vincent pointless? Is Seth Norris pointless? Is Goodwin pointless? Is Eko pointless? I think it's awfully hard to draw a definitive line, so I choose not to draw a line at all. If you were in the show, you had a role, no matter how minor. It's like saying a particular brush stroke in Da Vinci's Starry Night is pointless. Each brush stroke is a part of the masterpiece.

Second, I actually totally agree with you that Frank is not only merely dead, but really most sincerely dead. There is no way he is going to pull a Mikhail and pop out of nowhere to save the day. However, it is curious then that they would have the plane land safely last season, and then not use it this whole time.
Title: Re: Death count tonight
Post by: Madam P on May 07, 2010, 09:37:14 PM

 ...why don't they just flap their arms really hard and fly off??

ROFL!  I am fully expecting that next.   ;D

No, wait!  We forgot the Hurley-bird!   :D  It'll be like Luna Lovegood -- "How will we get there?  Why, we'll fly of course!" 



However, it is curious then that they would have the plane land safely last season, and then not use it this whole time.

A most excellent point.
Title: Re: Death count tonight
Post by: Holland34 on May 08, 2010, 03:07:28 AM
I have a problem calling any of the characters "pointless" or "useless". It's like in baseball, if the ball isn't hit into left field, does that mean the left fielder is useless? No. Sometimes characters are just there to support other characters. Not everyone can be the protagonist.

Yes, that is exactly what it means. His skill and talent were not used, so therefore, he was without use, or "Usless" as the kids say.

First, there is a difference between "unused" and "useless". I think you are getting into a very slippery slope in saying which characters have been pointless. Is Vincent pointless? Is Seth Norris pointless? Is Goodwin pointless? Is Eko pointless? I think it's awfully hard to draw a definitive line, so I choose not to draw a line at all. If you were in the show, you had a role, no matter how minor. It's like saying a particular brush stroke in Da Vinci's Starry Night is pointless. Each brush stroke is a part of the masterpiece.

Second, I actually totally agree with you that Frank is not only merely dead, but really most sincerely dead. There is no way he is going to pull a Mikhail and pop out of nowhere to save the day. However, it is curious then that they would have the plane land safely last season, and then not use it this whole time.
Are you trying to say that he's not just mostly dead?  Because if he's only mostly dead, Miracle Max is our man to bring him back.
Title: Re: Death count tonight
Post by: Madam P on May 08, 2010, 07:06:49 AM
I have a problem calling any of the characters "pointless" or "useless". It's like in baseball, if the ball isn't hit into left field, does that mean the left fielder is useless? No. Sometimes characters are just there to support other characters. Not everyone can be the protagonist.

Yes, that is exactly what it means. His skill and talent were not used, so therefore, he was without use, or "Usless" as the kids say.

First, there is a difference between "unused" and "useless". I think you are getting into a very slippery slope in saying which characters have been pointless. Is Vincent pointless? Is Seth Norris pointless? Is Goodwin pointless? Is Eko pointless? I think it's awfully hard to draw a definitive line, so I choose not to draw a line at all. If you were in the show, you had a role, no matter how minor. It's like saying a particular brush stroke in Da Vinci's Starry Night is pointless. Each brush stroke is a part of the masterpiece.

Second, I actually totally agree with you that Frank is not only merely dead, but really most sincerely dead. There is no way he is going to pull a Mikhail and pop out of nowhere to save the day. However, it is curious then that they would have the plane land safely last season, and then not use it this whole time.
Are you trying to say that he's not just mostly dead?  Because if he's only mostly dead, Miracle Max is our man to bring him back.

And there you have it.  Billy Crystal is going to be the big surprise mystery guest star, because the MIB is really Miracle Max.   :)
Title: Re: Death count tonight
Post by: CaseyMac on May 08, 2010, 03:15:04 PM
I have a problem calling any of the characters "pointless" or "useless". It's like in baseball, if the ball isn't hit into left field, does that mean the left fielder is useless? No. Sometimes characters are just there to support other characters. Not everyone can be the protagonist.

Yes, that is exactly what it means. His skill and talent were not used, so therefore, he was without use, or "Usless" as the kids say.

First, there is a difference between "unused" and "useless". I think you are getting into a very slippery slope in saying which characters have been pointless. Is Vincent pointless? Is Seth Norris pointless? Is Goodwin pointless? Is Eko pointless? I think it's awfully hard to draw a definitive line, so I choose not to draw a line at all. If you were in the show, you had a role, no matter how minor. It's like saying a particular brush stroke in Da Vinci's Starry Night is pointless. Each brush stroke is a part of the masterpiece.

Second, I actually totally agree with you that Frank is not only merely dead, but really most sincerely dead. There is no way he is going to pull a Mikhail and pop out of nowhere to save the day. However, it is curious then that they would have the plane land safely last season, and then not use it this whole time.
Are you trying to say that he's not just mostly dead?  Because if he's only mostly dead, Miracle Max is our man to bring him back.

And there you have it.  Billy Crystal is going to be the big surprise mystery guest star, because the MIB is really Miracle Max.   :)

Then perhaps Jacob's last name is Humperdink. So, Carol Kane will jump in, "Ever since Jacob Humperdink took his body, his confidence has been shatterd."
MIB: "Why'd you say that name? You promised me you would never say that name!"
Carol: "What, Humperdinck?"
MIB: "Aahaahh!"
Carol: "Humperdinck! Humperdinck! Humperdinck!"
MIB: "I'm not listening!"
Title: Re: Death count tonight
Post by: LouE68 on May 08, 2010, 09:10:21 PM
I have a problem calling any of the characters "pointless" or "useless". It's like in baseball, if the ball isn't hit into left field, does that mean the left fielder is useless? No. Sometimes characters are just there to support other characters. Not everyone can be the protagonist.

Yes, that is exactly what it means. His skill and talent were not used, so therefore, he was without use, or "Usless" as the kids say.

First, there is a difference between "unused" and "useless". I think you are getting into a very slippery slope in saying which characters have been pointless. Is Vincent pointless? Is Seth Norris pointless? Is Goodwin pointless? Is Eko pointless? I think it's awfully hard to draw a definitive line, so I choose not to draw a line at all. If you were in the show, you had a role, no matter how minor. It's like saying a particular brush stroke in Da Vinci's Starry Night is pointless. Each brush stroke is a part of the masterpiece.

Second, I actually totally agree with you that Frank is not only merely dead, but really most sincerely dead. There is no way he is going to pull a Mikhail and pop out of nowhere to save the day. However, it is curious then that they would have the plane land safely last season, and then not use it this whole time.
Are you trying to say that he's not just mostly dead?  Because if he's only mostly dead, Miracle Max is our man to bring him back.

And there you have it.  Billy Crystal is going to be the big surprise mystery guest star, because the MIB is really Miracle Max.   :)

Then perhaps Jacob's last name is Humperdink. So, Carol Kane will jump in, "Ever since Jacob Humperdink took his body, his confidence has been shatterd."
MIB: "Why'd you say that name? You promised me you would never say that name!"
Carol: "What, Humperdinck?"
MIB: "Aahaahh!"
Carol: "Humperdinck! Humperdinck! Humperdinck!"
MIB: "I'm not listening!"
horse nays...
Title: Re: Death count tonight
Post by: Numbers Junkie on May 08, 2010, 10:38:43 PM
I have a problem calling any of the characters "pointless" or "useless". It's like in baseball, if the ball isn't hit into left field, does that mean the left fielder is useless? No. Sometimes characters are just there to support other characters. Not everyone can be the protagonist.

Yes, that is exactly what it means. His skill and talent were not used, so therefore, he was without use, or "Usless" as the kids say.

First, there is a difference between "unused" and "useless". I think you are getting into a very slippery slope in saying which characters have been pointless. Is Vincent pointless? Is Seth Norris pointless? Is Goodwin pointless? Is Eko pointless? I think it's awfully hard to draw a definitive line, so I choose not to draw a line at all. If you were in the show, you had a role, no matter how minor. It's like saying a particular brush stroke in Da Vinci's Starry Night is pointless. Each brush stroke is a part of the masterpiece.

Second, I actually totally agree with you that Frank is not only merely dead, but really most sincerely dead. There is no way he is going to pull a Mikhail and pop out of nowhere to save the day. However, it is curious then that they would have the plane land safely last season, and then not use it this whole time.
Are you trying to say that he's not just mostly dead?  Because if he's only mostly dead, Miracle Max is our man to bring him back.

And there you have it.  Billy Crystal is going to be the big surprise mystery guest star, because the MIB is really Miracle Max.   :)

Then perhaps Jacob's last name is Humperdink. So, Carol Kane will jump in, "Ever since Jacob Humperdink took his body, his confidence has been shatterd."
MIB: "Why'd you say that name? You promised me you would never say that name!"
Carol: "What, Humperdinck?"
MIB: "Aahaahh!"
Carol: "Humperdinck! Humperdinck! Humperdinck!"
MIB: "I'm not listening!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-3VxOqHI-4&feature=related


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9tAKLTktY0
 :D :D :D
classic!
Title: Re: Death count tonight
Post by: Holland34 on May 09, 2010, 02:47:58 AM
Awesome!
Title: Re: Death count tonight
Post by: Madam P on May 09, 2010, 05:26:58 PM


Then perhaps Jacob's last name is Humperdink. So, Carol Kane will jump in, "Ever since Jacob Humperdink took his body, his confidence has been shatterd."
MIB: "Why'd you say that name? You promised me you would never say that name!"
Carol: "What, Humperdinck?"
MIB: "Aahaahh!"
Carol: "Humperdinck! Humperdinck! Humperdinck!"
MIB: "I'm not listening!"


Inconceivable.   ;)
Title: Re: Death count tonight
Post by: BobBX542 on May 09, 2010, 08:11:41 PM
I have a problem calling any of the characters "pointless" or "useless". It's like in baseball, if the ball isn't hit into left field, does that mean the left fielder is useless? No. Sometimes characters are just there to support other characters. Not everyone can be the protagonist.

Yes, that is exactly what it means. His skill and talent were not used, so therefore, he was without use, or "Usless" as the kids say.

First, there is a difference between "unused" and "useless". I think you are getting into a very slippery slope in saying which characters have been pointless. Is Vincent pointless? Is Seth Norris pointless? Is Goodwin pointless? Is Eko pointless? I think it's awfully hard to draw a definitive line, so I choose not to draw a line at all. If you were in the show, you had a role, no matter how minor. It's like saying a particular brush stroke in Da Vinci's Starry Night is pointless. Each brush stroke is a part of the masterpiece.

Second, I actually totally agree with you that Frank is not only merely dead, but really most sincerely dead. There is no way he is going to pull a Mikhail and pop out of nowhere to save the day. However, it is curious then that they would have the plane land safely last season, and then not use it this whole time.

Really?? We're comparing LOST to Da Vinci now?? You want to talk about a slippery slope?? LOL Look I love the show as much as the next guy, but really?? Da Vinci??
Title: Re: Death count tonight
Post by: LouE68 on May 09, 2010, 08:54:47 PM
I have a problem calling any of the characters "pointless" or "useless". It's like in baseball, if the ball isn't hit into left field, does that mean the left fielder is useless? No. Sometimes characters are just there to support other characters. Not everyone can be the protagonist.

Yes, that is exactly what it means. His skill and talent were not used, so therefore, he was without use, or "Usless" as the kids say.

First, there is a difference between "unused" and "useless". I think you are getting into a very slippery slope in saying which characters have been pointless. Is Vincent pointless? Is Seth Norris pointless? Is Goodwin pointless? Is Eko pointless? I think it's awfully hard to draw a definitive line, so I choose not to draw a line at all. If you were in the show, you had a role, no matter how minor. It's like saying a particular brush stroke in Da Vinci's Starry Night is pointless. Each brush stroke is a part of the masterpiece.

Second, I actually totally agree with you that Frank is not only merely dead, but really most sincerely dead. There is no way he is going to pull a Mikhail and pop out of nowhere to save the day. However, it is curious then that they would have the plane land safely last season, and then not use it this whole time.

Really?? We're comparing LOST to Da Vinci now?? You want to talk about a slippery slope?? LOL Look I love the show as much as the next guy, but really?? Da Vinci??
It is comparable to Tarantino or the makers of The Watchmen...it's the new way of telling a story...it's not about the characters or the main plot...it's the journey, the rollercoaster ride...Alfred Hitchcock also did this...it's about getting on, having a great frightful, scary, emotional ride, then getting off satisfied....it's the journey...
Title: Re: Death count tonight
Post by: jugdish on May 09, 2010, 09:34:14 PM
They added Miles and Lapidus as these two important characters and all they have done is basically walked around the island. Why give both Miles and Hurley nearly the same talent. Just let Hurley be able to talk to the dead people. Both Miles and Lapidus have had some great lines and funny moments. No doubt about that. But to the over all importance of the story line they have been pretty useless. Just kind of clogged the land scape. I get the feeling that the producers had a purpose for both of them but then it got lost in telling the story
Title: Re: Death count tonight
Post by: Madam P on May 10, 2010, 02:30:18 PM
I still say Lapidus isn't dead yet.  "Entertainment Weekly" this week talks about the three deaths in this episode, and discusses Sayid, Sun, and Jin, but they don't mention Lapidus at all.  Now maybe this is because they consider him to be a minor character, but they didn't say "three major deaths" they just said "three deaths."  So I'm still clinging to my conclusion, illogical though it may be.   ;)  I think Frank's got one more major thing to do before he can die -- he's gonna wash up ashore somewhere. 
Title: Re: Death count tonight
Post by: KoKoNut on May 10, 2010, 03:45:56 PM
I still say Lapidus isn't dead yet.  "Entertainment Weekly" this week talks about the three deaths in this episode, and discusses Sayid, Sun, and Jin, but they don't mention Lapidus at all.  Now maybe this is because they consider him to be a minor character, but they didn't say "three major deaths" they just said "three deaths."  So I'm still clinging to my conclusion, illogical though it may be.   ;)  I think Frank's got one more major thing to do before he can die -- he's gonna wash up ashore somewhere. 

I'm wracking my brains trying to remember who told me it was four deaths. I think it was my co-worker and she read it somewhere. Lostpeidia? Some spoiler site?  But she had told me before last weeks ep, that four were going to die that night. So that's why I assumed it was Lapidus.  But I thought the same thing about him, that it didn't look like he got that wracked up but somehow recovered and will wash ashore and pop up at a more crucial time. Like Han Solo at the Death Star!  ;D
Title: Re: Death count tonight
Post by: CaseyMac on May 10, 2010, 03:55:06 PM
I have a problem calling any of the characters "pointless" or "useless". It's like in baseball, if the ball isn't hit into left field, does that mean the left fielder is useless? No. Sometimes characters are just there to support other characters. Not everyone can be the protagonist.

Yes, that is exactly what it means. His skill and talent were not used, so therefore, he was without use, or "Usless" as the kids say.

First, there is a difference between "unused" and "useless". I think you are getting into a very slippery slope in saying which characters have been pointless. Is Vincent pointless? Is Seth Norris pointless? Is Goodwin pointless? Is Eko pointless? I think it's awfully hard to draw a definitive line, so I choose not to draw a line at all. If you were in the show, you had a role, no matter how minor. It's like saying a particular brush stroke in Da Vinci's Starry Night is pointless. Each brush stroke is a part of the masterpiece.

Second, I actually totally agree with you that Frank is not only merely dead, but really most sincerely dead. There is no way he is going to pull a Mikhail and pop out of nowhere to save the day. However, it is curious then that they would have the plane land safely last season, and then not use it this whole time.

Really?? We're comparing LOST to Da Vinci now?? You want to talk about a slippery slope?? LOL Look I love the show as much as the next guy, but really?? Da Vinci??

I was using an extreme example to express my point. So if that offends you, fine, take any good painting by any painter, or any good piece of music by any musician, and use the same arguement. Can you say any brush stroke is pointless, or any note is pointless? They are pieces of the whole.

However, I do believe that Lost is as much of a masterpiece as has ever been on TV...and I've watched alot of TV in my day. So, it may not have the longevity of DaVinci over time...then again, it may. TV is a relatively young artform.
Title: Re: Death count tonight
Post by: CaseyMac on May 10, 2010, 04:11:35 PM
I still say Lapidus isn't dead yet.  "Entertainment Weekly" this week talks about the three deaths in this episode, and discusses Sayid, Sun, and Jin, but they don't mention Lapidus at all.  Now maybe this is because they consider him to be a minor character, but they didn't say "three major deaths" they just said "three deaths."  So I'm still clinging to my conclusion, illogical though it may be.   ;)  I think Frank's got one more major thing to do before he can die -- he's gonna wash up ashore somewhere. 

I'm wracking my brains trying to remember who told me it was four deaths. I think it was my co-worker and she read it somewhere. Lostpeidia? Some spoiler site?  But she had told me before last weeks ep, that four were going to die that night. So that's why I assumed it was Lapidus.  But I thought the same thing about him, that it didn't look like he got that wracked up but somehow recovered and will wash ashore and pop up at a more crucial time. Like Han Solo at the Death Star!  ;D

I don't want to burst any bubbles, but the Darlton said on the Lost Podcast that Frank would be talked about by the survivors. It was asked of them if that since only Jin and Sun were asked about on the beach, that maybe that meant Frank had escaped. Darlton seemed to indicated they wanted the mood to focus on just Jin and Sun, but the next episode would address Frank too. It may mean it's ambiguous if he got out, or it may mean they say he is dead. I just have a real hard time believing Frank survived the door, let alone the sinking sub.
Title: Re: Death count tonight
Post by: I_Am_Jacob on May 10, 2010, 04:30:55 PM
I still say Lapidus isn't dead yet.  "Entertainment Weekly" this week talks about the three deaths in this episode, and discusses Sayid, Sun, and Jin, but they don't mention Lapidus at all.  Now maybe this is because they consider him to be a minor character, but they didn't say "three major deaths" they just said "three deaths."  So I'm still clinging to my conclusion, illogical though it may be.   ;)  I think Frank's got one more major thing to do before he can die -- he's gonna wash up ashore somewhere. 

I'm wracking my brains trying to remember who told me it was four deaths. I think it was my co-worker and she read it somewhere. Lostpeidia? Some spoiler site?  But she had told me before last weeks ep, that four were going to die that night. So that's why I assumed it was Lapidus.  But I thought the same thing about him, that it didn't look like he got that wracked up but somehow recovered and will wash ashore and pop up at a more crucial time. Like Han Solo at the Death Star!  ;D

I don't want to burst any bubbles, but the Darlton said on the Lost Podcast that Frank would be talked about by the survivors. It was asked of them if that since only Jin and Sun were asked about on the beach, that maybe that meant Frank had escaped. Darlton seemed to indicated they wanted the mood to focus on just Jin and Sun, but the next episode would address Frank too. It may mean it's ambiguous if he got out, or it may mean they say he is dead. I just have a real hard time believing Frank survived the door, let alone the sinking sub.

I have a hard time believing he survived too, but as a flounderring writer I find that removing the only viable option for an escape from the Island doesn't make too much sense in the scheme of things. I am in agreement with Madam P. Lapidus will wash ashore akin to Jin from the freighter.
Title: Re: Death count tonight
Post by: Madam P on May 10, 2010, 05:03:28 PM
Yeah, we all pretty much said Jin was toast after the freighter blew up -- no way to survive that explosion, plus it was out beyond "the circle" when the island moved so he'd be sure to drown, yadda, yadda, yadda.  But yet, there he was.
Title: Re: Death count tonight
Post by: MachThree on May 10, 2010, 05:11:54 PM
I have to say that if Frank is alive, then the writers are not playing fair with the audience.  I mean, its one thing to leave some ambiguity.  Its another thing to show him sustaining an injury that by all rights should be considered fatal (especially in those circumstances).  I just don't think its cool if they are trying to intentionally trick the audience.  What's next?  Nikki and Paolo bust out of their coffins Kill Bill / Bride style and start walking around again?

In any case, of course they haven't been leading the story there, but... why couldn't people use the FDW to escape?  Why do they need a submarine, airplane or boat? 
Title: Re: Death count tonight
Post by: KoKoNut on May 10, 2010, 05:15:25 PM
I have to say that if Frank is alive, then the writers are not playing fair with the audience.  I mean, its one thing to leave some ambiguity.  Its another thing to show him sustaining an injury that by all rights should be considered fatal (especially in those circumstances).  I just don't think its cool if they are trying to intentionally trick the audience.  What's next?  Nikki and Paolo bust out of their coffins Kill Bill / Bride style and start walking around again?

In any case, of course they haven't been leading the story there, but... why couldn't people use the FDW to escape?  Why do they need a submarine, airplane or boat? 

Please enlighten this ignorant bubblehead over here...what's FDW again?  :-[
Title: Re: Death count tonight
Post by: CaseyMac on May 10, 2010, 05:30:21 PM
Yeah, we all pretty much said Jin was toast after the freighter blew up -- no way to survive that explosion, plus it was out beyond "the circle" when the island moved so he'd be sure to drown, yadda, yadda, yadda.  But yet, there he was.

I can go back and find my posts, but I was pretty sure Jin had survived the blast. Basically, they didn't have a close shot of him blowing up, which is why I was almost convinced he would return. Now, compare this to Frank, we got a clear shot of him getting crushed by a heavy steel door to show us he definitely is out for the count.

IAJ, I'm sure you've seen Executive Decision with Kurt Russell and Halle Berry? They can still fly away. Or, and after Jin and Sun I'm starting to think this is more likely, nobody is going to get off the Island alive.
Title: Re: Death count tonight
Post by: MachThree on May 10, 2010, 06:04:04 PM
I have to say that if Frank is alive, then the writers are not playing fair with the audience.  I mean, its one thing to leave some ambiguity.  Its another thing to show him sustaining an injury that by all rights should be considered fatal (especially in those circumstances).  I just don't think its cool if they are trying to intentionally trick the audience.  What's next?  Nikki and Paolo bust out of their coffins Kill Bill / Bride style and start walking around again?

In any case, of course they haven't been leading the story there, but... why couldn't people use the FDW to escape?  Why do they need a submarine, airplane or boat? 

Please enlighten this ignorant bubblehead over here...what's FDW again?  :-[

FDW = Frozen Donkey Wheel :)
Title: Re: Death count tonight
Post by: I_Am_Jacob on May 10, 2010, 06:47:28 PM
Yeah, we all pretty much said Jin was toast after the freighter blew up -- no way to survive that explosion, plus it was out beyond "the circle" when the island moved so he'd be sure to drown, yadda, yadda, yadda.  But yet, there he was.

I can go back and find my posts, but I was pretty sure Jin had survived the blast. Basically, they didn't have a close shot of him blowing up, which is why I was almost convinced he would return. Now, compare this to Frank, we got a clear shot of him getting crushed by a heavy steel door to show us he definitely is out for the count.

IAJ, I'm sure you've seen Executive Decision with Kurt Russell and Halle Berry? They can still fly away. Or, and after Jin and Sun I'm starting to think this is more likely, nobody is going to get off the Island alive.

Yeah I've made reference to that gem of the cinematic world. The Acting ability of Steven Segal is unrivaled. John Leguizamo should have won the Oscar ::)
Title: Re: Death count tonight
Post by: CaseyMac on May 11, 2010, 12:20:04 AM
Yeah, we all pretty much said Jin was toast after the freighter blew up -- no way to survive that explosion, plus it was out beyond "the circle" when the island moved so he'd be sure to drown, yadda, yadda, yadda.  But yet, there he was.

I can go back and find my posts, but I was pretty sure Jin had survived the blast. Basically, they didn't have a close shot of him blowing up, which is why I was almost convinced he would return. Now, compare this to Frank, we got a clear shot of him getting crushed by a heavy steel door to show us he definitely is out for the count.

IAJ, I'm sure you've seen Executive Decision with Kurt Russell and Halle Berry? They can still fly away. Or, and after Jin and Sun I'm starting to think this is more likely, nobody is going to get off the Island alive.

Yeah I've made reference to that gem of the cinematic world. The Acting ability of Steven Segal is unrivaled. John Leguizamo should have won the Oscar ::)

That's Deputy Steven Seagal.

If they have amateurs try to fly the Ajira plane out in the series finale...I don't know how I'd take that. It would have to be handled really well, kinda like how they did it in Indiana Jones.
Sean Connery: Junior, I didn't know you knew how to fly a plane.
Indiana Jones: Fly? Yes. Land? No.
Title: Re: Death count tonight
Post by: lostfan777 on May 11, 2010, 10:09:55 AM
I was thinking at first that Frank might still be alive because they needed him to fly the plane, in other words, the island wasn't done with him so nothing will kill him until then.  But my latest thought is that the ATL is everyone getting their lives back after MIB is defeated, so I think EVERYONE (with the exception of maybe Desmond, the constant) will die on the island.  So now I think that plane isn't going anywhere and if I'm right, the island doesn't need Frank anymore (sorry Chesty!).  The only way they'd still need him in the plot is if someone still plans to try to use the plane.  Flocke was quick to dismiss it because 'there might be more c-4 hidden on the plane', but Sawyer and company might still be willing to take the chance if Frank is still alive. 
Title: Re: Death count tonight
Post by: BobBX542 on May 11, 2010, 11:07:28 AM
I was using an extreme example to express my point. So if that offends you, fine, take any good painting by any painter, or any good piece of music by any musician, and use the same arguement. Can you say any brush stroke is pointless, or any note is pointless? They are pieces of the whole.

However, I do believe that Lost is as much of a masterpiece as has ever been on TV...and I've watched alot of TV in my day. So, it may not have the longevity of DaVinci over time...then again, it may. TV is a relatively young artform.

It doesn't offend me, and please don't apologize to me, LOL. It's just the internet. But in all seriousness, LOST is just a TV show, that's the only point I'm trying to make. There's no need to make it this grandiose thing.

I have to say that if Frank is alive, then the writers are not playing fair with the audience.  I mean, its one thing to leave some ambiguity.  Its another thing to show him sustaining an injury that by all rights should be considered fatal (especially in those circumstances).  I just don't think its cool if they are trying to intentionally trick the audience.  What's next?  Nikki and Paolo bust out of their coffins Kill Bill / Bride style and start walking around again?

In any case, of course they haven't been leading the story there, but... why couldn't people use the FDW to escape?  Why do they need a submarine, airplane or boat? 

Because of a few reasons. There are only a small amount of people that actually know about the FDW (Ben, Locke, and MiB. I think that's it at the moment, please correct me if I'm wrong), so that's a whole other season right there explaining to them just what exactly this thing is. Also, using the FDW is a measure of last resort because moving the island is dangerous. I understand your point, but I understand why they haven't used that to get off the island.
Title: Re: Death count tonight
Post by: CaseyMac on May 11, 2010, 01:48:18 PM
I was using an extreme example to express my point. So if that offends you, fine, take any good painting by any painter, or any good piece of music by any musician, and use the same arguement. Can you say any brush stroke is pointless, or any note is pointless? They are pieces of the whole.

However, I do believe that Lost is as much of a masterpiece as has ever been on TV...and I've watched alot of TV in my day. So, it may not have the longevity of DaVinci over time...then again, it may. TV is a relatively young artform.

It doesn't offend me, and please don't apologize to me, LOL. It's just the internet. But in all seriousness, LOST is just a TV show, that's the only point I'm trying to make. There's no need to make it this grandiose thing.

Well, LOST is a tv show, but I wouldn't say it is on the same level as shows like CSI, or Seinfeld, or Cheers. I think LOST has attained a higher level of art and entertainment that makes it nearly impossible to compare to any other TV show. So, after 6 seasons and 100+ episodes, I think LOST is as close to a masterpiece as we have ever seen on TV. Now, is it on the same artistic level as a Da Vinci, or a Picasso? I don't think that case can be made right now. However, in 100 years, when the art of television has matured a bit, we may look back at LOST as being one of the first true television masterpieces.
Title: Re: Death count tonight
Post by: BobBX542 on May 11, 2010, 03:30:21 PM
I was using an extreme example to express my point. So if that offends you, fine, take any good painting by any painter, or any good piece of music by any musician, and use the same arguement. Can you say any brush stroke is pointless, or any note is pointless? They are pieces of the whole.

However, I do believe that Lost is as much of a masterpiece as has ever been on TV...and I've watched alot of TV in my day. So, it may not have the longevity of DaVinci over time...then again, it may. TV is a relatively young artform.

It doesn't offend me, and please don't apologize to me, LOL. It's just the internet. But in all seriousness, LOST is just a TV show, that's the only point I'm trying to make. There's no need to make it this grandiose thing.

Well, LOST is a tv show, but I wouldn't say it is on the same level as shows like CSI, or Seinfeld, or Cheers. I think LOST has attained a higher level of art and entertainment that makes it nearly impossible to compare to any other TV show. So, after 6 seasons and 100+ episodes, I think LOST is as close to a masterpiece as we have ever seen on TV. Now, is it on the same artistic level as a Da Vinci, or a Picasso? I don't think that case can be made right now. However, in 100 years, when the art of television has matured a bit, we may look back at LOST as being one of the first true television masterpieces.

This is turning into some kind of Anti-LOST rant on my part, but I seriously hope I have something better to talk about in 100 years. LOL
Title: Re: Death count tonight
Post by: grizn0 on May 11, 2010, 03:38:31 PM
I was using an extreme example to express my point. So if that offends you, fine, take any good painting by any painter, or any good piece of music by any musician, and use the same arguement. Can you say any brush stroke is pointless, or any note is pointless? They are pieces of the whole.

However, I do believe that Lost is as much of a masterpiece as has ever been on TV...and I've watched alot of TV in my day. So, it may not have the longevity of DaVinci over time...then again, it may. TV is a relatively young artform.

It doesn't offend me, and please don't apologize to me, LOL. It's just the internet. But in all seriousness, LOST is just a TV show, that's the only point I'm trying to make. There's no need to make it this grandiose thing.

Well, LOST is a tv show, but I wouldn't say it is on the same level as shows like CSI, or Seinfeld, or Cheers. I think LOST has attained a higher level of art and entertainment that makes it nearly impossible to compare to any other TV show. So, after 6 seasons and 100+ episodes, I think LOST is as close to a masterpiece as we have ever seen on TV. Now, is it on the same artistic level as a Da Vinci, or a Picasso? I don't think that case can be made right now. However, in 100 years, when the art of television has matured a bit, we may look back at LOST as being one of the first true television masterpieces.

This is turning into some kind of Anti-LOST rant on my part, but I seriously hope I have something better to talk about in 100 years. LOL
I think hoping you'll be able to talk at all in 100 years is enough! Hahah.
Title: Re: Death count tonight
Post by: Madam P on May 11, 2010, 04:17:57 PM
Personally, I like "Lost" a lot better than I like DaVinci, but then again, I've been told I'm an uncultured hick from Appalachia, so what do I know?   :D
Title: Re: Death count tonight
Post by: CaseyMac on May 11, 2010, 04:56:25 PM
I was using an extreme example to express my point. So if that offends you, fine, take any good painting by any painter, or any good piece of music by any musician, and use the same arguement. Can you say any brush stroke is pointless, or any note is pointless? They are pieces of the whole.

However, I do believe that Lost is as much of a masterpiece as has ever been on TV...and I've watched alot of TV in my day. So, it may not have the longevity of DaVinci over time...then again, it may. TV is a relatively young artform.

It doesn't offend me, and please don't apologize to me, LOL. It's just the internet. But in all seriousness, LOST is just a TV show, that's the only point I'm trying to make. There's no need to make it this grandiose thing.

Well, LOST is a tv show, but I wouldn't say it is on the same level as shows like CSI, or Seinfeld, or Cheers. I think LOST has attained a higher level of art and entertainment that makes it nearly impossible to compare to any other TV show. So, after 6 seasons and 100+ episodes, I think LOST is as close to a masterpiece as we have ever seen on TV. Now, is it on the same artistic level as a Da Vinci, or a Picasso? I don't think that case can be made right now. However, in 100 years, when the art of television has matured a bit, we may look back at LOST as being one of the first true television masterpieces.

This is turning into some kind of Anti-LOST rant on my part, but I seriously hope I have something better to talk about in 100 years. LOL

We still talk about great novels from 100+ years ago. Who's to say that future generations won't be studying certain television and film in the same way someday?
Title: Re: Death count tonight
Post by: I_Am_Jacob on May 11, 2010, 05:02:02 PM
I was using an extreme example to express my point. So if that offends you, fine, take any good painting by any painter, or any good piece of music by any musician, and use the same arguement. Can you say any brush stroke is pointless, or any note is pointless? They are pieces of the whole.

However, I do believe that Lost is as much of a masterpiece as has ever been on TV...and I've watched alot of TV in my day. So, it may not have the longevity of DaVinci over time...then again, it may. TV is a relatively young artform.

It doesn't offend me, and please don't apologize to me, LOL. It's just the internet. But in all seriousness, LOST is just a TV show, that's the only point I'm trying to make. There's no need to make it this grandiose thing.

Well, LOST is a tv show, but I wouldn't say it is on the same level as shows like CSI, or Seinfeld, or Cheers. I think LOST has attained a higher level of art and entertainment that makes it nearly impossible to compare to any other TV show. So, after 6 seasons and 100+ episodes, I think LOST is as close to a masterpiece as we have ever seen on TV. Now, is it on the same artistic level as a Da Vinci, or a Picasso? I don't think that case can be made right now. However, in 100 years, when the art of television has matured a bit, we may look back at LOST as being one of the first true television masterpieces.

This is turning into some kind of Anti-LOST rant on my part, but I seriously hope I have something better to talk about in 100 years. LOL

We still talk about great novels from 100+ years ago. Who's to say that future generations won't be studying certain television and film in the same way someday?

Touche
Title: Re: Death count tonight
Post by: LouE68 on May 11, 2010, 05:11:20 PM
I was using an extreme example to express my point. So if that offends you, fine, take any good painting by any painter, or any good piece of music by any musician, and use the same arguement. Can you say any brush stroke is pointless, or any note is pointless? They are pieces of the whole.

However, I do believe that Lost is as much of a masterpiece as has ever been on TV...and I've watched alot of TV in my day. So, it may not have the longevity of DaVinci over time...then again, it may. TV is a relatively young artform.

It doesn't offend me, and please don't apologize to me, LOL. It's just the internet. But in all seriousness, LOST is just a TV show, that's the only point I'm trying to make. There's no need to make it this grandiose thing.

Well, LOST is a tv show, but I wouldn't say it is on the same level as shows like CSI, or Seinfeld, or Cheers. I think LOST has attained a higher level of art and entertainment that makes it nearly impossible to compare to any other TV show. So, after 6 seasons and 100+ episodes, I think LOST is as close to a masterpiece as we have ever seen on TV. Now, is it on the same artistic level as a Da Vinci, or a Picasso? I don't think that case can be made right now. However, in 100 years, when the art of television has matured a bit, we may look back at LOST as being one of the first true television masterpieces.

This is turning into some kind of Anti-LOST rant on my part, but I seriously hope I have something better to talk about in 100 years. LOL

We still talk about great novels from 100+ years ago. Who's to say that future generations won't be studying certain television and film in the same way someday?
No joke I can Watch My Cousin Vinny over and over...
Title: Re: Death count tonight
Post by: I_Am_Jacob on May 11, 2010, 05:24:51 PM
I was using an extreme example to express my point. So if that offends you, fine, take any good painting by any painter, or any good piece of music by any musician, and use the same arguement. Can you say any brush stroke is pointless, or any note is pointless? They are pieces of the whole.

However, I do believe that Lost is as much of a masterpiece as has ever been on TV...and I've watched alot of TV in my day. So, it may not have the longevity of DaVinci over time...then again, it may. TV is a relatively young artform.

It doesn't offend me, and please don't apologize to me, LOL. It's just the internet. But in all seriousness, LOST is just a TV show, that's the only point I'm trying to make. There's no need to make it this grandiose thing.

Well, LOST is a tv show, but I wouldn't say it is on the same level as shows like CSI, or Seinfeld, or Cheers. I think LOST has attained a higher level of art and entertainment that makes it nearly impossible to compare to any other TV show. So, after 6 seasons and 100+ episodes, I think LOST is as close to a masterpiece as we have ever seen on TV. Now, is it on the same artistic level as a Da Vinci, or a Picasso? I don't think that case can be made right now. However, in 100 years, when the art of television has matured a bit, we may look back at LOST as being one of the first true television masterpieces.

This is turning into some kind of Anti-LOST rant on my part, but I seriously hope I have something better to talk about in 100 years. LOL

We still talk about great novels from 100+ years ago. Who's to say that future generations won't be studying certain television and film in the same way someday?
No joke I can Watch My Cousin Vinny over and over...

The two Utes. Love that Movie
Title: Re: Death count tonight
Post by: BobBX542 on May 12, 2010, 09:49:51 AM
I was using an extreme example to express my point. So if that offends you, fine, take any good painting by any painter, or any good piece of music by any musician, and use the same arguement. Can you say any brush stroke is pointless, or any note is pointless? They are pieces of the whole.

However, I do believe that Lost is as much of a masterpiece as has ever been on TV...and I've watched alot of TV in my day. So, it may not have the longevity of DaVinci over time...then again, it may. TV is a relatively young artform.

It doesn't offend me, and please don't apologize to me, LOL. It's just the internet. But in all seriousness, LOST is just a TV show, that's the only point I'm trying to make. There's no need to make it this grandiose thing.

Well, LOST is a tv show, but I wouldn't say it is on the same level as shows like CSI, or Seinfeld, or Cheers. I think LOST has attained a higher level of art and entertainment that makes it nearly impossible to compare to any other TV show. So, after 6 seasons and 100+ episodes, I think LOST is as close to a masterpiece as we have ever seen on TV. Now, is it on the same artistic level as a Da Vinci, or a Picasso? I don't think that case can be made right now. However, in 100 years, when the art of television has matured a bit, we may look back at LOST as being one of the first true television masterpieces.

This is turning into some kind of Anti-LOST rant on my part, but I seriously hope I have something better to talk about in 100 years. LOL

We still talk about great novels from 100+ years ago. Who's to say that future generations won't be studying certain television and film in the same way someday?

Well, like I said, I hope.
Title: Re: Death count tonight
Post by: Madam P on May 13, 2010, 08:38:17 AM
I was using an extreme example to express my point. So if that offends you, fine, take any good painting by any painter, or any good piece of music by any musician, and use the same arguement. Can you say any brush stroke is pointless, or any note is pointless? They are pieces of the whole.

However, I do believe that Lost is as much of a masterpiece as has ever been on TV...and I've watched alot of TV in my day. So, it may not have the longevity of DaVinci over time...then again, it may. TV is a relatively young artform.

It doesn't offend me, and please don't apologize to me, LOL. It's just the internet. But in all seriousness, LOST is just a TV show, that's the only point I'm trying to make. There's no need to make it this grandiose thing.

Well, LOST is a tv show, but I wouldn't say it is on the same level as shows like CSI, or Seinfeld, or Cheers. I think LOST has attained a higher level of art and entertainment that makes it nearly impossible to compare to any other TV show. So, after 6 seasons and 100+ episodes, I think LOST is as close to a masterpiece as we have ever seen on TV. Now, is it on the same artistic level as a Da Vinci, or a Picasso? I don't think that case can be made right now. However, in 100 years, when the art of television has matured a bit, we may look back at LOST as being one of the first true television masterpieces.

This is turning into some kind of Anti-LOST rant on my part, but I seriously hope I have something better to talk about in 100 years. LOL

We still talk about great novels from 100+ years ago. Who's to say that future generations won't be studying certain television and film in the same way someday?
No joke I can Watch My Cousin Vinny over and over...

The two Utes. Love that Movie

What is a "ute"?   ;D  (Perfect delivery.  As an uncultured Appalachian, I love it when movies make fun of a yankee accent for a change...)
Title: Re: Death count tonight
Post by: KoKoNut on May 18, 2010, 08:24:51 PM
Utes is youths.  ;D
Title: Re: Death count tonight
Post by: Madam P on May 19, 2010, 08:10:05 AM
Yeah, I know, but that's what Judge Munster said "What is a ute?"  So funny.   :D
Title: Re: Death count tonight
Post by: KoKoNut on May 19, 2010, 01:18:33 PM
Omg. I'm slow today! I loved Fred Gwynne in that movie.