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Title: Sawyer a Cop
Post by: Bostonlost on March 16, 2010, 11:28:04 PM
The thin blue line.....


So Jacob doesn't "touch" James and his path leads to one without crime...although he is still chasing the con man.



Title: Re: Sawyer a Cop
Post by: E.S.B. on March 16, 2010, 11:31:18 PM
Right, yet at the same time, he still wants to kill Cooper.  Though when Miles said he's going to try to talk him out of it, Sawyer says "fair enough," so maybe he's less vengeful than in the other timeline.
Title: Re: Sawyer a Cop
Post by: misseko815 on March 16, 2010, 11:32:30 PM
Could they please please please just show him in uniform once?  ;)
Title: Re: Sawyer a Cop
Post by: Bostonlost on March 16, 2010, 11:33:42 PM
Right, yet at the same time, he still wants to kill Cooper.  Though when Miles said he's going to try to talk him out of it, Sawyer says "fair enough," so maybe he's less vengeful than in the other timeline.

Right and remember...is that still Locke's dad?
Title: Re: Sawyer a Cop
Post by: E.S.B. on March 16, 2010, 11:34:43 PM
Right, yet at the same time, he still wants to kill Cooper.  Though when Miles said he's going to try to talk him out of it, Sawyer says "fair enough," so maybe he's less vengeful than in the other timeline.

Right and remember...is that still Locke's dad?
I would have to assume so, and what's also ironic is that sideways-Locke seems to have a good relationship with his dad/Cooper as we saw a picture of him on his desk and Helen wanted to invite him to the wedding.
Title: Re: Sawyer a Cop
Post by: MachThree on March 17, 2010, 12:09:50 AM
Right, yet at the same time, he still wants to kill Cooper.  Though when Miles said he's going to try to talk him out of it, Sawyer says "fair enough," so maybe he's less vengeful than in the other timeline.


Right and remember...is that still Locke's dad?

Seems so - I mean there were pictures of cooper in Locke & Helen's house.
Title: Re: Sawyer a Cop
Post by: trodge on March 17, 2010, 12:27:37 AM
He's a cop and yet he let's Kate walk out of the elevator at the Airport when he see's she's wearing cuffs?
Title: Re: Sawyer a Cop
Post by: JMart on March 17, 2010, 12:31:24 AM
^ cuz he wanted to bang her
Title: Re: Sawyer a Cop
Post by: Bostonlost on March 17, 2010, 12:34:39 AM
He's a cop and yet he let's Kate walk out of the elevator at the Airport when he see's she's wearing cuffs?

Isn't that funny....But then he would have to explain why he was on a international flight or what was he doing there.... ect
Title: Re: Sawyer a Cop
Post by: nejsitsol on March 17, 2010, 12:37:18 AM
Could they please please please just show him in uniform once?  ;)
Oh wouldn't that be dreamy?

He's a cop and yet he let's Kate walk out of the elevator at the Airport when he see's she's wearing cuffs?

Isn't that funny....But then he would have to explain why he was on a international flight or what was he doing there.... ect
Since he wasn't supposed to be there....maybe he was just hoping his good buddies would catch her.....some of LA's finest!
Title: Re: Sawyer a Cop
Post by: Gar O Mac on March 17, 2010, 12:39:01 AM
The thin blue line.....


So Jacob doesn't "touch" James and his path leads to one without crime...although he is still chasing the con man.




Yeah, I really loved that whole twist of fate.
Title: Re: Sawyer a Cop
Post by: Bostonlost on March 17, 2010, 12:42:19 AM
Ladies Ladies please

I will allow this to continue only if he arrests Kate and has to strip search her
Title: Re: Sawyer a Cop
Post by: nejsitsol on March 17, 2010, 12:43:51 AM
Ladies Ladies please

I will allow this to continue only if he arrests Kate and has to strip search her

Is that supposed to be punishment? Shes not so hard on the eyes......
Title: Re: Sawyer a Cop
Post by: Bostonlost on March 17, 2010, 12:51:05 AM
Ladies Ladies please

I will allow this to continue only if he arrests Kate and has to strip search her

Is that supposed to be punishment? Shes not so hard on the eyes......

Jen you bring out the best of things here....haha
Title: Re: Sawyer a Cop
Post by: nejsitsol on March 17, 2010, 12:52:26 AM
Ladies Ladies please
I will allow this to continue only if he arrests Kate and has to strip search her
Is that supposed to be punishment? Shes not so hard on the eyes......
Jen you bring out the best of things here....haha
What can I say?!?!  I call them like I see them!   ;)
Title: Re: Sawyer a Cop
Post by: Gar O Mac on March 17, 2010, 01:02:44 AM
Ladies Ladies please
I will allow this to continue only if he arrests Kate and has to strip search her
Is that supposed to be punishment? Shes not so hard on the eyes......
Jen you bring out the best of things here....haha
What can I say?!?!  I call them like I see them!   ;)
Wish I was seeing "them".  :(
Title: Re: Sawyer a Cop
Post by: CaseyMac on March 17, 2010, 03:26:51 AM
He's a cop and yet he let's Kate walk out of the elevator at the Airport when he see's she's wearing cuffs?

Isn't that funny....But then he would have to explain why he was on a international flight or what was he doing there.... ect

Thank you! I've been trying to find a good reason for Sawyer letting Kate go in the elevator. I mean, when you are a cop, you are a cop. Considering he went off the reservation to go to Australia, that makes sense now. Thanks for giving me a good explaination.
Title: Re: Sawyer a Cop
Post by: CrashandCari on March 17, 2010, 09:41:03 AM
He's a cop and yet he let's Kate walk out of the elevator at the Airport when he see's she's wearing cuffs?

Isn't that funny....But then he would have to explain why he was on a international flight or what was he doing there.... ect

Thank you! I've been trying to find a good reason for Sawyer letting Kate go in the elevator. I mean, when you are a cop, you are a cop. Considering he went off the reservation to go to Australia, that makes sense now. Thanks for giving me a good explaination.


Thats what I thought too.  I had a feeling that Sideways Sawyer was going to be a cop and glad it turned out that way.  I also think that he may have known she was under Federal arrest so for sure he wouldn't want to get involved and have to answer questions about why he was on the flight
Title: Re: Sawyer a Cop
Post by: bfth on March 17, 2010, 09:47:53 AM
Episode was totally not what I expected.

Knew Sawyer was a cop and was going to say LeFleur as his code word.

We do need to see him in uniform!  ;)
Title: Re: Sawyer a Cop
Post by: BobBX542 on March 17, 2010, 01:13:54 PM
Ladies Ladies please

I will allow this to continue only if he arrests Kate and has to strip search her


GROSS!!

Ladies Ladies please

I will allow this to continue only if he arrests Kate and has to strip search her

Is that supposed to be punishment? Shes not so hard on the eyes......

DOUBLE GROSS!!
Title: Re: Sawyer a Cop
Post by: jodeci on March 17, 2010, 01:30:22 PM
and now that he literally ran into kate at the end of the episode, he can ask her what she was running from in the airport, and she can ask him 'why'd you help me if you're a cop?'
Title: Re: Sawyer a Cop
Post by: BobBX542 on March 17, 2010, 01:33:31 PM
and now that he literally ran into kate at the end of the episode, he can ask her what she was running from in the airport, and she can ask him 'why'd you help me if you're a cop?'

This is going to be the beginning of a world of crap for Cop-sawyer.
Title: Re: Sawyer a Cop
Post by: jodeci on March 17, 2010, 01:41:03 PM
that's what i thought too, since earlier miles so pissed that sawyer didn't tell him he was going out of the country!
Title: Re: Sawyer a Cop
Post by: Beej on March 17, 2010, 01:49:57 PM
Sawyer probably became a cop because he knew that he could easier get the information he needed on Anthony Cooper.

And correct me if I'm wrong but I heard him say: MY CAR !! when Kate crashed into him. He looked more pissed off about his car and that he had to run after someone. MAYBE that is why he didn't do anything at the airport when he saw Kate.
He only wants to find Anthony Cooper
Title: Re: Sawyer a Cop
Post by: getting away to lost on March 17, 2010, 03:09:53 PM
I agree - Sawyer became a cop just so he could hunt for Anthony Cooper. It would be a lot easier to hunt for someone if you were a cop because you have access to more information. The reason he let Kate go is because he does not really care about being a cop or upholding justice he is a cop only as a means to hunt for Cooper.
Title: Re: Sawyer a Cop
Post by: BobBX542 on March 17, 2010, 03:19:24 PM
Sawyer probably became a cop because he knew that he could easier get the information he needed on Anthony Cooper.

And correct me if I'm wrong but I heard him say: MY CAR !! when Kate crashed into him. He looked more pissed off about his car and that he had to run after someone. MAYBE that is why he didn't do anything at the airport when he saw Kate.
He only wants to find Anthony Cooper

I agree - Sawyer became a cop just so he could hunt for Anthony Cooper. It would be a lot easier to hunt for someone if you were a cop because you have access to more information. The reason he let Kate go is because he does not really care about being a cop or upholding justice he is a cop only as a means to hunt for Cooper.

The only reason I don't really think this is the case is because when you are 9 years old, you aren't thinking like that. You have simple thoughts like, "He did me wrong, I'm going to get him" not "He did me wrong, so I'm going to get my self into the police academy, then work my way up the ranks, become a detective in the fraud division, and then get him". I think the alternate timeline stuff is really straight forward, and when he said he had reached a point where he could become a cop or a criminal, and chose cop, that was the truth.
Title: Re: Sawyer a Cop
Post by: SQUIRT199 on March 22, 2010, 11:57:04 AM
He's a cop and yet he let's Kate walk out of the elevator at the Airport when he see's she's wearing cuffs?

Isn't that funny....But then he would have to explain why he was on a international flight or what was he doing there.... ect

Thank you! I've been trying to find a good reason for Sawyer letting Kate go in the elevator. I mean, when you are a cop, you are a cop. Considering he went off the reservation to go to Australia, that makes sense now. Thanks for giving me a good explaination.


Thats what I thought too.  I had a feeling that Sideways Sawyer was going to be a cop and glad it turned out that way.  I also think that he may have known she was under Federal arrest so for sure he wouldn't want to get involved and have to answer questions about why he was on the flight

I wondered this myself but if it was the interenational flight reason maybe that is a reason, I could see that, but he was supposed to be on a flight, just not international so no reason he couldnt arrest just because he was in the airport.

Maybe hes a bad cop or cause he was off duty?
Title: Re: Sawyer a Cop
Post by: BobBX542 on March 22, 2010, 12:53:18 PM
He was?? I know Miles says he just got back from a trip, but where was the trip to??
Title: Re: Sawyer a Cop
Post by: opgelost on March 22, 2010, 02:17:22 PM
Australia, maybe?
Title: Re: Sawyer a Cop
Post by: SQUIRT199 on March 22, 2010, 03:54:09 PM
He was?? I know Miles says he just got back from a trip, but where was the trip to??

Palm beach or fort myers?

**checked transcripts

Who's Anthony Cooper?

SAWYER: Old buddy I ran into. Said he could hook me up with some Laker tickets.

MILES: That's cool. What'd you... you see him in Palm Springs?

SAWYER: What?

MILES: Palm Springs. Your trip last weekend?

[Sawyer hesitates.]

SAWYER: Yeah. It's a blur. Too much sunshine, too many Mai Tais...

MILES: Well get it together, because you got a date tonight, pal.

Title: Re: Sawyer a Cop
Post by: BobBX542 on March 22, 2010, 04:58:34 PM
Well, Palm Springs is in Fla, and I'm sure that a flight coming in from Australia isn't using the same gate as a flight coming in from Florida, so the only reasonable conclusion is that Sawyer didn't want to have to explain what he was doing in the international gates when he was suppossed to be coming back from Florida.
Title: Re: Sawyer a Cop
Post by: Sweet Old Lady on March 22, 2010, 07:30:50 PM
Palm Springs is also in California.  It's less than three hours from LA by car. 
Title: Re: Sawyer a Cop
Post by: BobBX542 on March 22, 2010, 07:44:39 PM
Palm Springs is also in California.  It's less than three hours from LA by car. 

True, but if he was at the airport, the reasonable conclussion is that he flew to Florida. But then again, he probably never planned on Miles finding out about him flying anywhere, so I guess it doesn't matter which one he went to. Unless he was going to use Florida as an excuse if someone questioned him about why he was at the airport. But then again, all of this is moot because his lie has been uncovered.
Title: Re: Sawyer a Cop
Post by: Sweet Old Lady on March 23, 2010, 12:26:05 AM
He was at the airport because he flew to Australia.  Miles didn't know about the trip to Australia until he got suspicious and did some checking.  I looked up Palm Springs, Fl on the internet.  Why would anyone go there for a short trip?  Palm Springs, CA, on the other hand, is a very popular weekend retreat for folks living in Southern Ca.  It's a resort area with many tourist attractions.  The main source of income for the town is tourism.  I say the Palm Springs he didn't go to was the one in CA.  (I'm kidding.  He didn't go to either one.)
Title: Re: Sawyer a Cop
Post by: BobBX542 on March 23, 2010, 01:23:15 AM
He was at the airport because he flew to Australia.  Miles didn't know about the trip to Australia until he got suspicious and did some checking.  I looked up Palm Springs, Fl on the internet.  Why would anyone go there for a short trip?  Palm Springs, CA, on the other hand, is a very popular weekend retreat for folks living in Southern Ca.  It's a resort area with many tourist attractions.  The main source of income for the town is tourism.  I say the Palm Springs he didn't go to was the one in CA.  (I'm kidding.  He didn't go to either one.)

Oh, I know that he was there because he went to Australia, I was just thinking what his reasoning for not arresting Kate would be, and what he would use as an excuse if someone asked why he was at the airport, because obviously he wanted to keep that a secret.
Title: Re: Sawyer a Cop
Post by: WhatThe on March 23, 2010, 02:18:20 AM
Um, isn't it unethical (not to mention probably against the law) for cops to have sex with their suspects? lol
Title: Re: Sawyer a Cop
Post by: Sweet Old Lady on March 23, 2010, 05:04:13 AM
Um, isn't it unethical (not to mention probably against the law) for cops to have sex with their suspects? lol
It's absolutely against regulations and no prosecutor worth his salt would take a case to trial with evidence obtained in that way.  It's considered outrageous conduct.  It happens a lot on tv and in the movies, but real people don't act like that.  I don't know why I'm on such a tear lately.  I love this show. 
Title: Re: Sawyer a Cop
Post by: Sweet Old Lady on March 23, 2010, 05:08:57 AM
Oh, I know that he was there because he went to Australia, I was just thinking what his reasoning for not arresting Kate would be, and what he would use as an excuse if someone asked why he was at the airport, because obviously he wanted to keep that a secret.
I'm wondering why Miles was so suspicious of him.  What a control freak!  What Sawyer does on his own time is his own business.  He doesn't need an excuse to be at the airport.  I also wonder why Sawyer helped Kate escape.  That doesn't make any sense at all. 
Title: Re: Sawyer a Cop
Post by: BobBX542 on March 23, 2010, 10:15:13 AM
Oh, I know that he was there because he went to Australia, I was just thinking what his reasoning for not arresting Kate would be, and what he would use as an excuse if someone asked why he was at the airport, because obviously he wanted to keep that a secret.
I'm wondering why Miles was so suspicious of him.  What a control freak!  What Sawyer does on his own time is his own business.  He doesn't need an excuse to be at the airport.  I also wonder why Sawyer helped Kate escape.  That doesn't make any sense at all. 

That's what I have been saying SOL. He didn't arrest her, because he didn't want to have to explain what he was doing at the airport.
Title: Re: Sawyer a Cop
Post by: Sweet Old Lady on March 23, 2010, 02:25:21 PM
There's a difference between not arresting her and helping her escape.  I understand why he didn't arrest her.  I don't understand why he made sure airport security didn't arrest her.  Why did he want her to escape?  Why did he protect her from airport security?  As for having to explain why he was at the airport, he doesn't have to explain that.  To anyone.  Even if he arrested her, he doesn't have to explain why he was there.  If you have a right to be where you are, you don't have to explain it to anyone.
Title: Re: Sawyer a Cop
Post by: CaseyMac on March 23, 2010, 03:23:32 PM
Um, isn't it unethical (not to mention probably against the law) for cops to have sex with their suspects? lol

If you are deep undercover (no pun intended) then you can do alot of things that could be considered "unethical". I know of undercover agents that infiltrated gangs that had to do illegal drugs or their covers would be blown.

At the same time, Sawyer seems he would be one of those tv cops that gets chewed out in the captains office for breaking some regulation or destroying public property or something else you'd see in a movie like Lethal Weapon.
Title: Re: Sawyer a Cop
Post by: Sweet Old Lady on March 23, 2010, 03:40:38 PM
Um, isn't it unethical (not to mention probably against the law) for cops to have sex with their suspects? lol

If you are deep undercover (no pun intended) then you can do alot of things that could be considered "unethical". I know of undercover agents that infiltrated gangs that had to do illegal drugs or their covers would be blown.

At the same time, Sawyer seems he would be one of those tv cops that gets chewed out in the captains office for breaking some regulation or destroying public property or something else you'd see in a movie like Lethal Weapon.
Sawyer wasn't deep undercover.  If he had been the cops would have arrested him, too, just to preserve his cover.  I know of undercover officers who avoided doing drugs or alcohol by simply saying it's not their thing.  Saying no is always an option.  As for having sex with the subject of an investigation in a room that's bugged, the defense would have a field day with that.  Sawyer's conduct would be under intense scrutiny during the trial.  Juries don't let police misconduct slide.  At least not in LA.   
Title: Re: Sawyer a Cop
Post by: BobBX542 on March 23, 2010, 04:08:17 PM
There's a difference between not arresting her and helping her escape.  I understand why he didn't arrest her.  I don't understand why he made sure airport security didn't arrest her.  Why did he want her to escape?  Why did he protect her from airport security?  As for having to explain why he was at the airport, he doesn't have to explain that.  To anyone.  Even if he arrested her, he doesn't have to explain why he was there.  If you have a right to be where you are, you don't have to explain it to anyone.

FINALLY!! Together we peeled enough layers of this onion. Okay, now that I understand what you're actually saying, LOL, yeah, he could have pointed out that there was a person running through the airport wearing handcuffs and never had to say he was a cop. Touch'e SOL, touch'e. I honestly thought we were going to be having this "arguement" ad infinitum.

As for the explaining his presence at the airport, I agree with you. He doesn't have to explain it, but I'm sure the whole Cooper thing was something he didn't want anyone to know about, and using the line of logic I was following, if he would have participated in the arrest of a person at the airport, then I'm sure a few people (his fellow LAPD officers, his partner at the very least) would have asked him what he was doing there. And maybe it's just me, but if I was going to vacation in a place three hours away (which I'm sure you and I are finally in agreement about that he was going to Palm springs in Cali.), I wouldn't bother with the hassle of going through airport security and what not.

Okay, I'm just glad I actually understand what you were saying. Sorry about all that.
Title: Re: Sawyer a Cop
Post by: Sweet Old Lady on March 23, 2010, 04:51:10 PM
No prob.  There used to be an airline that had hourly flights between LAX and Palm Springs, CA.  I think it was called SunAir.  It was great for me because I was bouncing back and forth between the two pretty much monthly.  Several times I was the only passenger on the plane.  They went out of business.  But I digress.  Someone on another thread said something that made me think that Sawyer, on some level, recognized Kate from their time together on the island in the same way that Jack recognized Desmond.  Just a vague feeling of familiarity.  Maybe that's why he helped her escape.  He had done it before "in another life".
Title: Re: Sawyer a Cop
Post by: nejsitsol on March 23, 2010, 04:52:30 PM
No prob.  There used to be an airline that had hourly flights between LAX and Palm Springs, CA.  I think it was called SunAir.  It was great for me because I was bouncing back and forth between the two pretty much monthly.  Several times I was the only passenger on the plane.  They went out of business.  But I digress.  Someone on another thread said something that made me think that Sawyer, on some level, recognized Kate from their time together on the island in the same way that Jack recognized Desmond.  Just a vague feeling of familiarity.  Maybe that's why he helped her escape.  He had done it before "in another life".
Like a "deja vue" feeling?!?!
Title: Re: Sawyer a Cop
Post by: BobBX542 on March 23, 2010, 05:12:30 PM
No prob.  There used to be an airline that had hourly flights between LAX and Palm Springs, CA.  I think it was called SunAir.  It was great for me because I was bouncing back and forth between the two pretty much monthly.  Several times I was the only passenger on the plane.  They went out of business.  But I digress.  Someone on another thread said something that made me think that Sawyer, on some level, recognized Kate from their time together on the island in the same way that Jack recognized Desmond.  Just a vague feeling of familiarity.  Maybe that's why he helped her escape.  He had done it before "in another life".

No prob.  There used to be an airline that had hourly flights between LAX and Palm Springs, CA.  I think it was called SunAir.  It was great for me because I was bouncing back and forth between the two pretty much monthly.  Several times I was the only passenger on the plane.  They went out of business.  But I digress.  Someone on another thread said something that made me think that Sawyer, on some level, recognized Kate from their time together on the island in the same way that Jack recognized Desmond.  Just a vague feeling of familiarity.  Maybe that's why he helped her escape.  He had done it before "in another life".
Like a "deja vue" feeling?!?!

Not sure how much of this I'm buying. So far we have seen Jack give Kate a funny look outside of the airport, and that's really about it. To me that doesn't seem like enough to constitute a deja vu/no free will thing. But we shall see. You might want to just rest comfortably in the fact that I am absolutely terrible at predicting things on this show.
Title: Re: Sawyer a Cop
Post by: Sweet Old Lady on March 23, 2010, 05:26:35 PM
No prob.  There used to be an airline that had hourly flights between LAX and Palm Springs, CA.  I think it was called SunAir.  It was great for me because I was bouncing back and forth between the two pretty much monthly.  Several times I was the only passenger on the plane.  They went out of business.  But I digress.  Someone on another thread said something that made me think that Sawyer, on some level, recognized Kate from their time together on the island in the same way that Jack recognized Desmond.  Just a vague feeling of familiarity.  Maybe that's why he helped her escape.  He had done it before "in another life".
Like a "deja vue" feeling?!?!
Exactly!  I expect their memories to come back in some way.  Maybe just a vague "Don't I know you from somewhere?" feeling.  But they'll all feel drawn to each other.  They'll have a sense of Fate in their interactions.
Title: Re: Sawyer a Cop
Post by: CaseyMac on March 23, 2010, 05:33:31 PM
No prob.  There used to be an airline that had hourly flights between LAX and Palm Springs, CA.  I think it was called SunAir.  It was great for me because I was bouncing back and forth between the two pretty much monthly.  Several times I was the only passenger on the plane.  They went out of business.  But I digress.  Someone on another thread said something that made me think that Sawyer, on some level, recognized Kate from their time together on the island in the same way that Jack recognized Desmond.  Just a vague feeling of familiarity.  Maybe that's why he helped her escape.  He had done it before "in another life".
Like a "deja vue" feeling?!?!
Exactly!  I expect their memories to come back in some way.  Maybe just a vague "Don't I know you from somewhere?" feeling.  But they'll all feel drawn to each other.  They'll have a sense of Fate in their interactions.

We've seen a couple glimpses of that so far, but they have been quick. Also, it's what happened to Desmond back in Season 3 when he went into his alternate timeline after turning the failsafe key. He started to remember.