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Episode Discussion (Spoiler Free) => Season 6 => Episode 6x04 => Topic started by: sillysab on February 24, 2010, 12:00:50 AM
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does a list of all the numbers and names exist somewhere or has someone been keeping track of the ones we have and have not seen yet? have we seen Juliet? just wondering why some have died on the island and others have not, maybe it matters maybe not... just wondering. thanks!
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Could The names in the caves be MIB's and the names in the lighthouse are Jacob's?
Caves = Dark
Lighthouse = Light
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http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Candidates
Here is a great list that gives both the names of the cave walls and the lighthouse wheel.
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http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Candidates
Here is a great list that gives both the names of the cave walls and the lighthouse wheel.
Ok, I just had a laugh-out-loud moment... they have Friendly on the wheel! Even Jacob doesn't know Tom's last name!
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Picture Name Number Status Information
John Locke (LOCKE) 4 Deceased He met Jacob when he was thrown out a window by his father. Jacob touched his shoulder and said he was sorry that happened to him. Was crossed off the list by the Man in Black.
Hugo "Hurley" Reyes (REYES) 8 Alive Met Jacob upon release from prison, and was talked into booking passage on Ajira Flight 316. Jacob touched Hurley's chest when emphasizing the importance of the flight.
James "Sawyer" Ford (FORD) 15 Recruited by MiB Met Jacob as a child at his parents' funeral. Jacob touched Sawyer when he handed him a pen, which Sawyer used to write his letter. Identified as a candidate by the Man in Black. Has currently chosen the third option: Leave the Island.
Sayid Jarrah (JARRAH) 16 Infected Met Jacob when his wife Nadia was murdered. He touched Sayid's shoulder briefly. Identified as a candidate by the Man in Black.
Jack Shephard (SHEPHARD) 23 Alive Met Jacob at the hospital where he worked after his first successful surgery. Jacob offered Jack an Apollo Bar that he had unsuccessfully tried to dislodge from the vending machine. Their fingers touched as Jacob passed the bar to Jack. Identified as a candidate by the Man in Black. Could also refer to Christian Shephard who has often been seen in Jacob's cabin. On the wheel in Jacob's Lighthouse, Shephard's name is written in a darker black ink and different handwriting than the names surrounding his. There are also several small punctures in the surface around his name and a few of those below it.
editUnidentified candidates
Number Name Information
2 LACOMBE Probably the Lacombe from the science expedition.
10 MATTINGLEY Probably the US army soldier whose uniform was stolen and used by an Other in 1954.
20 ROUSSEAU Probably Alex Rousseau or Danielle Rousseau.
29 BRENNAN Probably the Brennan from the science expedition.
31 RUTHERFORD Probably Shannon Rutherford.
33 MARTIN Probably Karl Martin.
42 KWON Sun-Hwa Kwon and Jin-Soo Kwon both met Jacob when during their wedding when he congratulated them and advised them to keep their promises. Both were touched by Jacob simultaneously notably on their shoulders. The Man in Black indicated one of them was a candidate but was unable to identify which one. KWON may also refer to Ji Yeon Kwon, the daughter of Sun and Jin, who was conceived on the Island.
55 BURKE Probably Juliet. Her death occurred after Jacob's, so her name would have to have been crossed-off before her death or after her death by the Man in Black. Could also be her late ex-husband, Edmund Burke. Please note that other names of candiates who are still alive are also crossed out, perhaps for the same reason Burke is crossed out.
64 GOLDSTEIN Unknown.
77 FRANETZKI Unknown.
90 TROUP Probably Gary Troup, a deceased survivor and author of Bad Twin
115 BARGAS Unknown.
117 LINUS Probably Ben Linus, or his father Roger Linus
119 ALMEIDA Unknown. (Possible tribute to the TV series "24"? Tony Almeida worked with Jack Bauer)
124 DAWSON Probably Michael Dawson
140 LEWIS Probably Charlotte Lewis, or her parents David and Jeanette.
171 STRAUME Probably Miles Straume.
175 COSTA Unknown.
195 PACE Probably Charlie Pace.
197 SHECKLER Probably Sheckler or possibly Skeckler.An Opie and Anthony Reference.(Opie and Anthony is an SiriusXM radio show one of the writers is a fan of. He has put other show references in LOST before. 197 is the Sirius channel for the show.)
202 HARGGUS An Opie and Anthony Reference.(Opie and Anthony is an SiriusXM radio show one of the writers is a fan of. He has put other show references in LOST before. 202 is the XM channel for the show.)
222 O'TOOLE Unknown.
226 CARLYLE Probably Boone Carlyle.
231 AMISTAD Unknown.
233 JONES Probably the US army soldier whose uniform was stolen and used by Charles Widmore in 1954.
251 YARIS Unknown.
272 ORALINGO Unknown.
282 AGUILA Unknown.
285 JENKINS Probably Steve Jenkins, a survivor who died in the flaming arrow attack.
291 DOMINGO Unknown.
301 MARS Probably Edward Mars, a survivor who died shortly after crash.
313 LITTLETON Probably Claire or Aaron.
317 CUNNINGHAM Probably the US army soldier whose uniform was stolen and used by an Other in 1954.
321 FERNANDEZ Probably Nikki Fernandez who was on board Oceanic Flight 815 but later killed.
335 HENDERSON Probably Rose Nadler, the only known Henderson (maiden name).
346/396 GRANT Unknown.
761 FARADAY Probably Daniel Faraday.
CHANG Probably Pierre or Lara. Miles is separately listed under Straume.
DAVISON Unknown.
GARNER Unknown.
GOODSPEED Probably one of the many Goodspeeds, who include Horace, Amy, Olivia, and Ethan.
PICKETT Probably Danny Pickett or Colleen Pickett.
REYNOLDS Unknown.
SULLIVAN Probably Sullivan, a survivor who died in the flaming arrow attack.
editThe Lighthouse wheel candidates
Number Name Information
14 Pryce Likely Ryan Pryce.
17 Barnes Unknown.
19 Nguyen Unknown.
21 McHenry (?) Unknown.
22 Moorhand Unknown.
24 Klunea (?) Unknown.
25 Asher Unknown.
27 Dorrie Unknown.
28 Howard Unknown.
32 Rutherford Could be Shannon or Adam Rutherford. This number does not match with the one found in the cave.
33 Novak Unknown. This name does not match with the one found in the cave.
34 Grimes Unknown.
35 Brennan Likely Brennan from Danielle Rousseau's expedition. This number does not match with the one found in the cave.
37 Torres Unknown.
51 Austen Likely Kate. Could be Sam Austen.
101 Faraday Possibly Daniel Faraday. This number does not match with the one found in the cave.
104 Lewis Possibly Charlotte Lewis or her parents.
107 Thomson Unknown.
108 Wallace Unknown.
109 Friendly Likely Tom Friendly.
112 Horton Unknown.
117 Linus Likely Benjamin Linus.
118 CHAVEZ Unknown.
119 Almeida Unknown.
120 Rodriguez Unknown.
121 Nielson Unknown.
122 Freed Unknown.
124 Dawson Likely Michael Dawson.
125 Owens Unknown.
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OK... the only name/number on that list from lostpedia that I have a problem with is the "761-Faraday" in the cave... I beleive it has been misread from the cave wall because I beleive every number is a compass bearing... The lighthouse turntable looks like a compass to me...
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It all fits except 761, Like to have that reconfirmed
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I looked again to me Faraday is 101.
(http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l15/jugdish4/Jacob27s_Wall_Faraday.jpg)
bottom right hand corner.
Can get a better look at lospedia here.
http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/lostpedia/images/4/4d/Jacob%27s_Wall_Faraday.jpg
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Thanks Juggy, looks like 101 to me too...
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i concur with you two. there are just two lines crossing his name out
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Could The names in the caves be MIB's and the names in the lighthouse are Jacob's?
Caves = Dark
Lighthouse = Light
Thats a good thought. Perhaps they both made the list together. Maybe they've been recruiting this whole time. Tryng to see who will get more people on their side.
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Could The names in the caves be MIB's and the names in the lighthouse are Jacob's?
Caves = Dark
Lighthouse = Light
That cave being Jacob's doesn't make much sense, in my opinion.
That looks more likely.
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It all fits except 761, Like to have that reconfirmed
Could be 76, no??
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Could The names in the caves be MIB's and the names in the lighthouse are Jacob's?
Caves = Dark
Lighthouse = Light
That cave being Jacob's doesn't make much sense, in my opinion.
That looks more likely.
I've been saying this for daaayyysss! It's great to see others thinking along the same lines!
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For what it's worth (and it is completely unimportant), I think #28 is "Holland". (Can anyone guess why it caught my eye?) :)
http://i.iimmgg.com/images/gr/21a4e0f8bae8f3d8a1f8380b3b95727a.jpg (http://i.iimmgg.com/images/gr/21a4e0f8bae8f3d8a1f8380b3b95727a.jpg)
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For what it's worth (and it is completely unimportant), I think #28 is "Holland". (Can anyone guess why it caught my eye?) :)
(http://i.iimmgg.com/images/gr/21a4e0f8bae8f3d8a1f8380b3b95727a.jpg)
Not according to this image. LOL
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Okay... I tried to just provide the link. Hopefully that will work.
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Okay... I tried to just provide the link. Hopefully that will work.
There's more than enough pics on the front page, no worries.
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Ok guys, I was looking through http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Candidates and it appears there are more people with their names NOT crossed out. Here is the list, asides from the obvious six (4 8 15 16 23 42):
40 - Dowsen
51 - Austen
56 - Hansen
60 - Kysea
So there are other names not crossed out... Coincidence, prop error?
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What number do you think this Jacob was?....
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This is oversimplifying it but I think you'll get where I am going. My theory is that the numbers on the compass and the corresponding names are just coordinates. In other words, if Jacob wants to "look in" on Jack then the wheel needs to be set to number 23. Most of the names listed that we're familiar with are people who have played a role in the story. If you look back at LOST over time, there have been a lot of instances where one person knew things about another that they should have never known. For instance, when Mikhail knew all about Locke, Sayid, and Kate. Or when Juliet and Ben knew all that info about Jack when he was being held at the Hydra station. The compass at the lighthouse and the list in the cave may simply explain how that happens. You dial up the person you want to "watch" and there they are. It's unrealistic to think that every person on that Island has been a candidate. A few of them are but I believe the rest of the name/number correlation is simply a place marker or a "scorecard" for lack of a better term. I really don't believe that every name listed has been a "candidate." Think about it, Karl? Friendly? Some of the names were such bit players that it's hard to imagine they had any relevance to anything.
As far as the cave vs the lighthouse the symbolism is obvious. In short, un-Locke has the cave. He's "evil" so he's going to be "underground" or "below" like Hell. Jacob is "good" so he's in the lighthouse. He's "up" he's in a spot where he can observe from above. The names and numbers are simply a scorecard to keep track of the players.
The real question is what game are we playing?
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I've been trying to remember the co-ordinates that were given to Michael/Walt when they went off in the boat. I wonder if it correlates to whatever numbers they have on the list...? Probably not but I like to muse on these things!
I can see what you're saying about this being a place to 'spy' on our losties but I honestly think that the knowledge you're referring to was gained from files and from satellite observation, like when Ben showed Juliette her sister Rachel...
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This is oversimplifying it but I think you'll get where I am going. My theory is that the numbers on the compass and the corresponding names are just coordinates. In other words, if Jacob wants to "look in" on Jack then the wheel needs to be set to number 23. Most of the names listed that we're familiar with are people who have played a role in the story. If you look back at LOST over time, there have been a lot of instances where one person knew things about another that they should have never known. For instance, when Mikhail knew all about Locke, Sayid, and Kate. Or when Juliet and Ben knew all that info about Jack when he was being held at the Hydra station. The compass at the lighthouse and the list in the cave may simply explain how that happens. You dial up the person you want to "watch" and there they are. It's unrealistic to think that every person on that Island has been a candidate. A few of them are but I believe the rest of the name/number correlation is simply a place marker or a "scorecard" for lack of a better term. I really don't believe that every name listed has been a "candidate." Think about it, Karl? Friendly? Some of the names were such bit players that it's hard to imagine they had any relevance to anything.
As far as the cave vs the lighthouse the symbolism is obvious. In short, un-Locke has the cave. He's "evil" so he's going to be "underground" or "below" like Hell. Jacob is "good" so he's in the lighthouse. He's "up" he's in a spot where he can observe from above. The names and numbers are simply a scorecard to keep track of the players.
The real question is what game are we playing?
Well, alot of the info that Mikhail had on these people was info that could have been found via electronic (legal, illeagal??) means. this idea does answer one of the questions that has been buggin me for a while now. When Juliette went to the secret stash to get the needles and stuff to "cure" Claire, Sayid and Sawyer showed up to play police with her and demanded the bag, etc. WELL, Julliette busts out a line on Sawyer about how he killed a man in cold blood the night before he left Australia. That always bugged me, because how could the others have known?? The only two people there were Sawyer and the guy he shot, and the guy he shot obviously isn't telling anyone. So Maybe Jacob was watching him, and let the Others know to be careful because he shot this dude. Thanks for the mental jumpstart Infrared.
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This is oversimplifying it but I think you'll get where I am going. My theory is that the numbers on the compass and the corresponding names are just coordinates. In other words, if Jacob wants to "look in" on Jack then the wheel needs to be set to number 23. Most of the names listed that we're familiar with are people who have played a role in the story. If you look back at LOST over time, there have been a lot of instances where one person knew things about another that they should have never known. For instance, when Mikhail knew all about Locke, Sayid, and Kate. Or when Juliet and Ben knew all that info about Jack when he was being held at the Hydra station. The compass at the lighthouse and the list in the cave may simply explain how that happens. You dial up the person you want to "watch" and there they are. It's unrealistic to think that every person on that Island has been a candidate. A few of them are but I believe the rest of the name/number correlation is simply a place marker or a "scorecard" for lack of a better term. I really don't believe that every name listed has been a "candidate." Think about it, Karl? Friendly? Some of the names were such bit players that it's hard to imagine they had any relevance to anything.
As far as the cave vs the lighthouse the symbolism is obvious. In short, un-Locke has the cave. He's "evil" so he's going to be "underground" or "below" like Hell. Jacob is "good" so he's in the lighthouse. He's "up" he's in a spot where he can observe from above. The names and numbers are simply a scorecard to keep track of the players.
The real question is what game are we playing?
I like your post, but I don't think it is unrealistic to assume everyone on the island was at one point a candidate. Why? There's been a theory since the beginning of the show that everyone on Oceanic 815 was chosen and guided to the island. I think that this theory has been pretty well proven for some of the characters. I would venture that no one comes to the island without Jacob knowing about it, and few people come to the island without Jacob allowing them to. Keamy may have been one of those few, but we all know what happened to him and his men. Bram and company may have been others that Jacob didn't want, and they got Smokey-fied. I think it is perfectly realistic to assume everyone's name on the Lighthouse and in the cave are Candidates.
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This is oversimplifying it but I think you'll get where I am going. My theory is that the numbers on the compass and the corresponding names are just coordinates. In other words, if Jacob wants to "look in" on Jack then the wheel needs to be set to number 23. Most of the names listed that we're familiar with are people who have played a role in the story. If you look back at LOST over time, there have been a lot of instances where one person knew things about another that they should have never known. For instance, when Mikhail knew all about Locke, Sayid, and Kate. Or when Juliet and Ben knew all that info about Jack when he was being held at the Hydra station. The compass at the lighthouse and the list in the cave may simply explain how that happens. You dial up the person you want to "watch" and there they are. It's unrealistic to think that every person on that Island has been a candidate. A few of them are but I believe the rest of the name/number correlation is simply a place marker or a "scorecard" for lack of a better term. I really don't believe that every name listed has been a "candidate." Think about it, Karl? Friendly? Some of the names were such bit players that it's hard to imagine they had any relevance to anything.
As far as the cave vs the lighthouse the symbolism is obvious. In short, un-Locke has the cave. He's "evil" so he's going to be "underground" or "below" like Hell. Jacob is "good" so he's in the lighthouse. He's "up" he's in a spot where he can observe from above. The names and numbers are simply a scorecard to keep track of the players.
The real question is what game are we playing?
I like your post, but I don't think it is unrealistic to assume everyone on the island was at one point a candidate. Why? There's been a theory since the beginning of the show that everyone on Oceanic 815 was chosen and guided to the island. I think that this theory has been pretty well proven for some of the characters. I would venture that no one comes to the island without Jacob knowing about it, and few people come to the island without Jacob allowing them to. Keamy may have been one of those few, but we all know what happened to him and his men. Bram and company may have been others that Jacob didn't want, and they got Smokey-fied. I think it is perfectly realistic to assume everyone's name on the Lighthouse and in the cave are Candidates.
Based on that logic you're ready to say that Frogurt, Nikki and Paolo, Artz, the hypochondriac from the golf course in Season One(I forget his name), and a host of others were all candidates?
Not that I'm disagreeing or questioning your logic but; care to state your case for why Frogurt or Nikki and Paolo were in line to take over for Jacob? ;)
I'm with you on that being the case for "some" of the characters; but I just can't get onboard with the idea that everyone on the lists in the cave and the lighthouse are candidates. All along it's been about getting Jack where he needs to be. If the "game" is a chess board then Jack is the King. Everyone else is playing a role but this whole "game" thing has been about Jack since day one. He's the one and only "candidate."
Un-Locke, while seemingly honest, is clearly the bad guy here. He may seem to be telling more "truth" than Jacob is right now but in reality, un-Locke isn't lying, he's simply omitting key facts as he "recruits." Up to this point we haven't seen Jacob play it straight with anyone. He's the good guy but honesty and being forthright isn't his strong suit. This whole idea of "candidates" is simply a diversionary tactic. Why is anyone's guess at this point but I think as things play out we'll see that there is not and never has been a list of "candidates." Jacob can easily manipulate what happens and he seems to know what's going to happen before it does etc. With that sort of ability, are we really supposed to believe that he has no idea who he wants to "replace" him? If that's even what he's looking for?
I've said it's been all about Jack since season one. I'm sticking with that until the show proves me wrong.
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This is oversimplifying it but I think you'll get where I am going. My theory is that the numbers on the compass and the corresponding names are just coordinates. In other words, if Jacob wants to "look in" on Jack then the wheel needs to be set to number 23. Most of the names listed that we're familiar with are people who have played a role in the story. If you look back at LOST over time, there have been a lot of instances where one person knew things about another that they should have never known. For instance, when Mikhail knew all about Locke, Sayid, and Kate. Or when Juliet and Ben knew all that info about Jack when he was being held at the Hydra station. The compass at the lighthouse and the list in the cave may simply explain how that happens. You dial up the person you want to "watch" and there they are. It's unrealistic to think that every person on that Island has been a candidate. A few of them are but I believe the rest of the name/number correlation is simply a place marker or a "scorecard" for lack of a better term. I really don't believe that every name listed has been a "candidate." Think about it, Karl? Friendly? Some of the names were such bit players that it's hard to imagine they had any relevance to anything.
As far as the cave vs the lighthouse the symbolism is obvious. In short, un-Locke has the cave. He's "evil" so he's going to be "underground" or "below" like Hell. Jacob is "good" so he's in the lighthouse. He's "up" he's in a spot where he can observe from above. The names and numbers are simply a scorecard to keep track of the players.
The real question is what game are we playing?
Well, alot of the info that Mikhail had on these people was info that could have been found via electronic (legal, illeagal??) means. this idea does answer one of the questions that has been buggin me for a while now. When Juliette went to the secret stash to get the needles and stuff to "cure" Claire, Sayid and Sawyer showed up to play police with her and demanded the bag, etc. WELL, Julliette busts out a line on Sawyer about how he killed a man in cold blood the night before he left Australia. That always bugged me, because how could the others have known?? The only two people there were Sawyer and the guy he shot, and the guy he shot obviously isn't telling anyone. So Maybe Jacob was watching him, and let the Others know to be careful because he shot this dude. Thanks for the mental jumpstart Infrared.
THANK YOU! I remember thinking from that scene that there just HAD to be a "supernatural" way of gathering info on the Losties. You just put the last piece in that puzzle!
This leads to another issue though....do you think that Smokey also had access to the lighthouse as well with his apparent knowledge of everyone's past?
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THANK YOU! I remember thinking from that scene that there just HAD to be a "supernatural" way of gathering info on the Losties. You just put the last piece in that puzzle!
This leads to another issue though....do you think that Smokey also had access to the lighthouse as well with his apparent knowledge of everyone's past?
Seems to me that the lighthouse was on the "temple's turf", so it makes sense that he didn't, but I have no real reason to think that.
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THANK YOU! I remember thinking from that scene that there just HAD to be a "supernatural" way of gathering info on the Losties. You just put the last piece in that puzzle!
This leads to another issue though....do you think that Smokey also had access to the lighthouse as well with his apparent knowledge of everyone's past?
Seems to me that the lighthouse was on the "temple's turf", so it makes sense that he didn't, but I have no real reason to think that.
I'm of a mind that the cave was/is MIB's domain, so I see what you're saying.
I'm just wondering where then, did Smokey get all his intel!
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THANK YOU! I remember thinking from that scene that there just HAD to be a "supernatural" way of gathering info on the Losties. You just put the last piece in that puzzle!
This leads to another issue though....do you think that Smokey also had access to the lighthouse as well with his apparent knowledge of everyone's past?
Seems to me that the lighthouse was on the "temple's turf", so it makes sense that he didn't, but I have no real reason to think that.
I'm of a mind that the cave was/is MIB's domain, so I see what you're saying.
I'm just wondering where then, did Smokey get all his intel!
Something just occurred to me PL, what do you mean that he had info on their past?? Keep in mind that anything Locke knew/knows, so does MIB because he apparently has Locke's memories, or at the very least, he can access them.
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I'm speaking specifically about the flashes of Eko's past that could be seen in the black smoke as it came to him, & the scenes that replayed from Ben/Alex's lives as Ben was surrounded by the black smoke.