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Episode Discussion (Spoiler Free) => Season 6 => Episode 6x03 => Topic started by: getting away to lost on February 17, 2010, 12:18:16 AM

Title: Why Sawyer could see the boy
Post by: getting away to lost on February 17, 2010, 12:18:16 AM
Does anyone else think that Sawyer seeing the boy meant that Sawyer was THE candidate that would be the new protector of the insland. I think that seeing the boy proved to MIB/Unlocke that he was the new man in charge to replace Jacob. Unlocke seemed so surprised that Sawyer could see the boy. It reminded me of when Ben was surprised that Locke could hear Jacob in the cabin.
Title: Re: Why Sawyer could see the boy
Post by: misseko815 on February 17, 2010, 12:19:22 AM
Remember that Shannon and Sayid both saw Walt...
Kate saw a horse...
Jack and Claire both saw Christian...
Title: Re: Why Sawyer could see the boy
Post by: LockedInLost on February 17, 2010, 12:19:39 AM
Does anyone else think that Sawyer seeing the boy meant that Sawyer was THE candidate that would be the new protector of the insland. I think that seeing the boy proved to MIB/Unlocke that he was the new man in charge to replace Jacob. Unlocke seemed so surprised that Sawyer could see the boy. It reminded me of when Ben was surprised that Locke could hear Jacob in the cabin.
Sawyer did say to Kate last week, "some of us were meant to live alone"...
Title: Re: Why Sawyer could see the boy
Post by: trodge on February 17, 2010, 12:30:11 AM
Does anyone else think that Sawyer seeing the boy meant that Sawyer was THE candidate that would be the new protector of the insland. I think that seeing the boy proved to MIB/Unlocke that he was the new man in charge to replace Jacob. Unlocke seemed so surprised that Sawyer could see the boy. It reminded me of when Ben was surprised that Locke could hear Jacob in the cabin.
Sawyer did say to Kate last week, "some of us were meant to live alone"...

I mentioned that quote to my wife after watching this episode...
Title: Re: Why Sawyer could see the boy
Post by: Gutterball94 on February 17, 2010, 01:41:09 AM
So MiB was surprised that Sawyer could see the boy. I believe that this makes Sawyer the "best" candidate.

MiB is going to try to kill him but I'm willing to bet that MiB is bound to the same rules as were dictated before, which is why our mystery child said "you can't kill him." The "him" referring, not to Jacob, but to Sawyer.
Title: Re: Why Sawyer could see the boy
Post by: on the island on February 17, 2010, 02:20:39 AM
The question may be why doesn't Richard see him and not why does Sawyer see him. 
Title: Re: Why Sawyer could see the boy
Post by: jamesl on February 17, 2010, 02:33:34 AM
The question may be why doesn't Richard see him and not why does Sawyer see him. 
when Flocke wanted to take Ben into the foot to see Jacob, didn't Richard say only the leader could see Jacob ?
Title: Re: Why Sawyer could see the boy
Post by: Optimus J on February 17, 2010, 03:03:17 AM
And we can't forget that Ben saw his mom, and Richard got startled because Ben didn't knew his Mom,and specially, she died FAR AWAY from the island.
Title: Re: Why Sawyer could see the boy
Post by: KoKoNut on February 17, 2010, 03:12:23 AM
Maybe only the canidates can see Jacob.
Title: Re: Why Sawyer could see the boy
Post by: Optimus J on February 17, 2010, 06:40:45 AM
Maybe only the canidates can see Jacob.
What hit me was that Unlocke couldn't see the boy before he was Unlocke, and he is trapped on that form because it.
He used the form of one candidate. That both gave him the ability to see what they can see, and took the ability to chance to other personas.
Title: Re: Why Sawyer could see the boy
Post by: BobBX542 on February 17, 2010, 10:53:35 AM
The question may be why doesn't Richard see him and not why does Sawyer see him. 
when Flocke wanted to take Ben into the foot to see Jacob, didn't Richard say only the leader could see Jacob ?

Actually he said that only the leader can request a meeting with Jacob, and that there can only be one leader at a time. No clever word play on this one. I wish it were that simple.
Title: Re: Why Sawyer could see the boy
Post by: Suzanne4au2 on February 17, 2010, 12:46:19 PM
I know this was a Locke episode but I was blown away by Sawyer!! He knew right away that MIB wasn't Locke and he could see the kid! I think he really shined in this episode!
Title: Re: Why Sawyer could see the boy
Post by: BobBX542 on February 17, 2010, 12:58:03 PM
Okay, um, weird question, but is it possible that the reason Sawyer could see the kid is because he was actually there?? I know Richard didn't see him, but maybe that's because he can vanish like the Others.
Title: Re: Why Sawyer could see the boy
Post by: KoKoNut on February 17, 2010, 01:05:51 PM
Okay, um, weird question, but is it possible that the reason Sawyer could see the kid is because he was actually there?? I know Richard didn't see him, but maybe that's because he can vanish like the Others.

If this is the case, and he is really there...then who is the boy? I just assumed he was Jacob's spirit form or ghost or whatever. 
At first I thought it was one of the kids from the plane.
Title: Re: Why Sawyer could see the boy
Post by: tonysee200x on February 17, 2010, 01:10:49 PM
MiB is going to try to kill him but I'm willing to bet that MiB is bound to the same rules as were dictated before, which is why our mystery child said "you can't kill him." The "him" referring, not to Jacob, but to Sawyer.

I think they went out of the way to show us fLocke did not want Sawyer to die (at least yet), with the whole falling off the latter on they way down stuff. He could have just let him fall, but helped him out. -- Somehow I think fLocke see's Sayer as his best hope to get off the island/go home.
Title: Re: Why Sawyer could see the boy
Post by: BobBX542 on February 17, 2010, 01:17:29 PM
Okay, um, weird question, but is it possible that the reason Sawyer could see the kid is because he was actually there?? I know Richard didn't see him, but maybe that's because he can vanish like the Others.

If this is the case, and he is really there...then who is the boy? I just assumed he was Jacob's spirit form or ghost or whatever. 
At first I thought it was one of the kids from the plane.

That is a question for a whole different thread. LOL
Title: Re: Why Sawyer could see the boy
Post by: KoKoNut on February 17, 2010, 01:20:45 PM
Okay, um, weird question, but is it possible that the reason Sawyer could see the kid is because he was actually there?? I know Richard didn't see him, but maybe that's because he can vanish like the Others.

If this is the case, and he is really there...then who is the boy? I just assumed he was Jacob's spirit form or ghost or whatever. 
At first I thought it was one of the kids from the plane.

That is a question for a whole different thread. LOL
You're right!  I see that thread already has theories swirling about. But I believe if we really knew who the boy actually was, then MAYBE...just maybe...we'd know why only certain people can see him. 

But then, maybe it IS Jacob, and he can make himself seen to whomever he wishes.
Title: Re: Why Sawyer could see the boy
Post by: BobBX542 on February 17, 2010, 01:24:04 PM
God this show is frustrating at times.
Title: Re: Why Sawyer could see the boy
Post by: MangoBingo on February 17, 2010, 04:13:36 PM
MiB is going to try to kill him but I'm willing to bet that MiB is bound to the same rules as were dictated before, which is why our mystery child said "you can't kill him." The "him" referring, not to Jacob, but to Sawyer.

I think they went out of the way to show us fLocke did not want Sawyer to die (at least yet), with the whole falling off the latter on they way down stuff. He could have just let him fall, but helped him out. -- Somehow I think fLocke see's Sayer as his best hope to get off the island/go home.


I think M.I.B.'s going to test all the candidates until he finds the right one. I guess all the wrong ones will die, like Locke.
Title: Re: Why Sawyer could see the boy
Post by: jodeci on February 17, 2010, 06:27:45 PM
wonder if hurley would be able to see the boy?  he has had a lot of encounters with 'not quite alive' people too.
Title: Re: Why Sawyer could see the boy
Post by: lovinlost on February 17, 2010, 09:51:42 PM
wonder if hurley would be able to see the boy?  he has had a lot of encounters with 'not quite alive' people too.

Unless the boy is actually alive and real, which is why Sawyer could see him and why Unlocke actually chased after him...
Title: Re: Why Sawyer could see the boy
Post by: KoKoNut on February 18, 2010, 02:50:01 PM
wonder if hurley would be able to see the boy?  he has had a lot of encounters with 'not quite alive' people too.

Unless the boy is actually alive and real, which is why Sawyer could see him and why Unlocke actually chased after him...

But if he's actually alive and real, I wonder why Richard didn't see him?
Title: Re: Why Sawyer could see the boy
Post by: BobBX542 on February 18, 2010, 02:53:10 PM
Maybe he can disapear like the others seem to be able to do. Or, he ran off before Richard turned his head. Richard was looking at Locke, and then Locke turned to look at the kid. when Richard turned his head, he was gone.
Title: Re: Why Sawyer could see the boy
Post by: KoKoNut on February 18, 2010, 02:54:19 PM
Maybe he can disapear like the others seem to be able to do. Or, he ran off before Richard turned his head. Richard was looking at Locke, and then Locke turned to look at the kid. when Richard turned his head, he was gone.

Freakin' kid.
Title: Re: Why Sawyer could see the boy
Post by: RM on February 20, 2010, 01:23:20 AM
Well, the Island has shown plenty of people visions of someone from their past in order to give them a message.

But, twice now, Sawyer has been able to see a vision meant for someone else.  Sawyer also saw Kate's horse, and now Sawyer saw MIB's boy.

Has anybody else but Sawyer been able to see a vision meant for someone else?

I think someone mentioned that both Shannon and Sayid saw Walt -- can't remember; was that simultaenous or separate?
Title: Re: Why Sawyer could see the boy
Post by: Optimus J on February 21, 2010, 02:55:58 AM
I think someone mentioned that both Shannon and Sayid saw Walt -- can't remember; was that simultaenous or separate?
Wet Backwards Ghost Walt appeared to both at the same time. That was when we noticed that it was a real apparition, not a mind trick over people.
What stays in the gray area is Dave. Looks like only Hurley could see him, what means Dave might be a ghost of a real person that died in Hurley's accident.
Title: Re: Why Sawyer could see the boy
Post by: BobBX542 on February 21, 2010, 03:00:34 AM
I thought that "Kate's Horse" was actually from Mikhail's farm.
Title: Re: Why Sawyer could see the boy
Post by: Maxor127 on February 21, 2010, 03:46:41 AM
I wouldn't be surprised if it's Aaron as the kid somehow transmitting himself from another time and place.  I always assumed taller ghost Walt was the smoke monster or something, but maybe it really was Walt from the future.  It wouldn't make sense if it were MIB since as far as we've seen, taking the forms of dead people seems to be key for him.  Jacob could very well be Aaron grown up with the crazy time traveling stuff.  With everything this season, I'm not going to worry too much about analyzing it.  No sense driving myself crazy over something that could very well be answered next week.

They keep saying Aaron is important to the story.  I just hope it's not something lame like he's a vessel for Jacob or something like that.  Reminds me of the disappointing Ghostbusters 2 and Vigo.
Title: Re: Why Sawyer could see the boy
Post by: TheBrightandTheDark on February 21, 2010, 12:03:21 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if it's Aaron as the kid somehow transmitting himself from another time and place.  I always assumed taller ghost Walt was the smoke monster or something, but maybe it really was Walt from the future.  It wouldn't make sense if it were MIB since as far as we've seen, taking the forms of dead people seems to be key for him.  Jacob could very well be Aaron grown up with the crazy time traveling stuff.  With everything this season, I'm not going to worry too much about analyzing it.  No sense driving myself crazy over something that could very well be answered next week.

They keep saying Aaron is important to the story.  I just hope it's not something lame like he's a vessel for Jacob or something like that.  Reminds me of the disappointing Ghostbusters 2 and Vigo.
But MiB has only taken the forms of people who died off-island and whose bodies were brought to the island: Christian, Yemi, and Locke (that we know of). We haven't seen him as Eko, Nikki, Shannon, Frogurt, etc.... it's possible that he was Boone in Locke's sweat-lodge-vision, but since Locke also saw himself at an airport, I'm thinking it was just a spiritual metaphor and not an MiB-induced illusion. Taller Ghost Walt could be the exception: if Locke died on-island, MiB wouldn't be able to take his form, so he could have appeared as Walt to motivate Locke out of the pit... so he can die off-island. And... I don't know what this means.  :-[

And I think that everyone Jacob touched is a vessel! (Except I keep using the word 'horcrux', lol). I don't think Aaron would be one, though.

Maybe the boy appeared to both MiB and Sawyer because he wanted Sawyer to see him, too. He first appeared to MiB to get his attention. He appears to both of them to show Sawyer that something weird is going on (or something similar? Like the kid just gave up a clue to this big game they're playing?). MiB is pissed that Sawyer sees the kid, and runs after him, allowing the kid to give him the message alone.  ???
Title: Re: Why Sawyer could see the boy
Post by: Optimus J on February 22, 2010, 07:46:51 AM
But MiB has only taken the forms of people who died off-island and whose bodies were brought to the island: Christian, Yemi, and Locke (that we know of). We haven't seen him as Eko, Nikki, Shannon, Frogurt, etc....
Well, how Alex fits that? She died on island. Same with the Nigerian Thugs, whose bodies never came to island, yet Smokey used them to attack Eko.
Not to mention the Black Horse, that wasn't even a person.
Smokey shape-shifting is WAY more loose than that.
Title: Re: Why Sawyer could see the boy
Post by: BobBX542 on February 22, 2010, 09:44:16 AM
But MiB has only taken the forms of people who died off-island and whose bodies were brought to the island: Christian, Yemi, and Locke (that we know of). We haven't seen him as Eko, Nikki, Shannon, Frogurt, etc....
Well, how Alex fits that? She died on island. Same with the Nigerian Thugs, whose bodies never came to island, yet Smokey used them to attack Eko.
Not to mention the Black Horse, that wasn't even a person.
Smokey shape-shifting is WAY more loose than that.


Nigerian Thugs?? Are you talking about the guys that Eko was suppossed to get on the plane with?? Because they were deffinitely on the island. Or are you talking about the guys that Eko killed in the bar in order to get the heroin?? Because maybe it was just me, but I thought that was a fever induced hallucination he was having.
Title: Re: Why Sawyer could see the boy
Post by: TheBrightandTheDark on February 22, 2010, 10:37:21 AM
But MiB has only taken the forms of people who died off-island and whose bodies were brought to the island: Christian, Yemi, and Locke (that we know of). We haven't seen him as Eko, Nikki, Shannon, Frogurt, etc....
Well, how Alex fits that? She died on island. Same with the Nigerian Thugs, whose bodies never came to island, yet Smokey used them to attack Eko.
Not to mention the Black Horse, that wasn't even a person.
Smokey shape-shifting is WAY more loose than that.
Nigerian Thugs?? Are you talking about the guys that Eko was suppossed to get on the plane with?? Because they were deffinitely on the island. Or are you talking about the guys that Eko killed in the bar in order to get the heroin?? Because maybe it was just me, but I thought that was a fever induced hallucination he was having.
Crap, how'd I forget Alex?  :-[

The Nigerian Thugs are the guys that Eko killed in Yemi's church, the ones that wanted the medicine shipment. I never thought that they were Smokey, just like I think Boone in Locke's sweat-lodge vision isn't Smokey. Locke and Eko were under an influence of drugs or near-death experience/death fever, and I think in Locke's case, it's really Boone's spirit, and in Eko's case, they're hallucinations. The black horse could have been Mikhail's, or it could have been brought there like Cooper.
Title: Re: Why Sawyer could see the boy
Post by: BobBX542 on February 22, 2010, 11:24:24 AM
Oh right, the ones that wanted the vaccines, geez, I totally forgot about them.
Title: Re: Why Sawyer could see the boy
Post by: Optimus J on February 22, 2010, 11:34:12 AM
Well, Boone never really APPEARED. Both him and the bear were just hallucinations, that never interacted with the world, as the dead thugs that cut a tree branch, or the horse that is touched.
Now, the horse was one exact replica of the horse from Kate's escape. AND the producers said Smokey appeared on that episode, so I'm pretty sure it was him, knowing the stuff Smokey can do now.
Title: Re: Why Sawyer could see the boy
Post by: Jungle Otter on February 23, 2010, 01:33:26 PM
How about this thought - the kid is actually young James Ford. The blood on his arms could be the "baggage" carried since his mother was killed by his father and father committed suicide....and the ensuing vendetta James had for "Sawyer". The long cons, the lives ruined....
Title: Re: Why Sawyer could see the boy
Post by: sparrow on March 24, 2010, 06:43:03 PM
Jungle Otter: nice thought about it being Sawyer himself, though wouldn't he recognize himself (unless he didnt get a good look) ?

Speaking of, yeh, I always wondered what was about that horse Kate saw. Didn't she see it twice, once alone and once with Jack, or was it Sawyer? Bahhh, I can't remember anything these days! :\
Title: Re: Why Sawyer could see the boy
Post by: BobBX542 on March 24, 2010, 06:50:04 PM
I was under the impression that the horse came from the Flame compound. Now I'm not trying to get racist here, but all black horses look alike to me.
Title: Re: Why Sawyer could see the boy
Post by: sparrow on March 24, 2010, 06:55:37 PM
^ hahahah!!  ;D
Oh right, maybe I just remember incorrectly, cause I thought Kate had seen it with someone, who didn't know what she was talking about, as if they didn't see it, and she was all O_o; cause she thought it was something haunting her/reminding her? But I'm usually faaar off with these things, hahaha