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Episode Discussion (Spoiler Free) => Season 6 => Episode 6x05 => Topic started by: lostlady on February 09, 2010, 11:53:44 PM

Title: Meaning?
Post by: lostlady on February 09, 2010, 11:53:44 PM
Is this title referring to a sunset and something that happens at that time or does it refer to Sun and she is down--as in injured or worse?
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Post by: jugdish on February 09, 2010, 11:55:38 PM
Maybe it is a homage to Sundown by Gordon lightfoot, circa 1974
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Post by: CaseyMac on February 10, 2010, 03:13:53 AM
I just watched Blackhawk Down last night...maybe it's a reference to Sun taking a trip to Somalia?
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Post by: LOSTNightmaregk13 on February 13, 2010, 09:04:33 PM
i agree with the first post
something with sun being down either with a depression... i mean injured
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Post by: jamesl on February 13, 2010, 09:46:20 PM
its sundown, nighttime

the temple people have barricaded themselves in and are trying to keep smokey/MIB out, but he will attack at sundown
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Post by: LOSTNightmaregk13 on February 14, 2010, 03:18:44 PM
hmm
makes sense
but usually they play around with the title more instead of giving it away
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Post by: jamesl on February 14, 2010, 09:02:57 PM
really?
I've come to think the total opposite
I used to look for special meaning in the titles, but gave up after being disappointed

"LeFleur", ooh, new character.
Nope, nothing special, just Sawyer's alias

"Some Like it Hoth", there was so much conjecture on this board what as to what that could possibly mean. Turns out it was really nothing. Hurley's rewritting Star Wars. Nothing more. Took up about 25 seconds of the episode.

"Namaste", again, so much theorizing, "I bow to you". Who's doing the bowing ? And who are they bowing to ? A new leader ?
Nope. Its the equivalent of "Say Cheese !" when you get your picture taken.

I'm sure you can come up with something clever that the writers have actually done with the titles,  but I'm going to go with the most obvious, lame answer.

Title: Re: Meaning?
Post by: LOSTNightmaregk13 on February 14, 2010, 09:46:15 PM
ah you're actually right
but before we knew what was going on on the episodes we were speculating like we are now
"some like it hoth"
obviously a star wars reference, we didnt know what would happen until it did, before that it was just pure guessing for fun, a polar bear turns out to be chewbacca? or those white creatures i don't know the name xD
we'll have to wait and see for sundown
if it had a space like sun down id be more inclined to my previous statement but since it doesn't ill follow yours
until then we have a substitute on out hands
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Post by: BobBX542 on February 15, 2010, 10:27:59 AM
ah you're actually right
but before we knew what was going on on the episodes we were speculating like we are now
"some like it hoth"
obviously a star wars reference, we didnt know what would happen until it did, before that it was just pure guessing for fun, a polar bear turns out to be chewbacca? or those white creatures i don't know the name xD
we'll have to wait and see for sundown
if it had a space like sun down id be more inclined to my previous statement but since it doesn't ill follow yours
until then we have a substitute on out hands

Wait, what is a "Star Wars"??

LOL Just kidding, and the name you're looking for is "Taun Taun" (or Tan Tan, depending on who you believe).
Check this out...
http://www.thinkgeek.com/geektoys/plush/bb2e/
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Post by: Kurtis on February 16, 2010, 01:56:56 PM
The title is a reference to the "House of the Rising Sun" episode from Season 1. Just like last week with "What Kate Does" vs "What Kate Did".
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Post by: Kosmetas on February 22, 2010, 02:52:19 PM
The title is a reference to the "House of the Rising Sun" episode from Season 1. Just like last week with "What Kate Does" vs "What Kate Did".

Yeah what he said, Duh!!  Come on stick with the program peeps.
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Post by: BurkRoyer on February 22, 2010, 06:54:44 PM
really?
I've come to think the total opposite
I used to look for special meaning in the titles, but gave up after being disappointed

"LeFleur", ooh, new character.
Nope, nothing special, just Sawyer's alias

"Some Like it Hoth", there was so much conjecture on this board what as to what that could possibly mean. Turns out it was really nothing. Hurley's rewritting Star Wars. Nothing more. Took up about 25 seconds of the episode.

"Namaste", again, so much theorizing, "I bow to you". Who's doing the bowing ? And who are they bowing to ? A new leader ?
Nope. Its the equivalent of "Say Cheese !" when you get your picture taken.

I'm sure you can come up with something clever that the writers have actually done with the titles,  but I'm going to go with the most obvious, lame answer.


"The Substitute" - John is a substitute teacher in his alternate life... boring!!!
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Post by: Optimus J on February 23, 2010, 11:02:05 AM
The title is a reference to the "House of the Rising Sun" episode from Season 1. Just like last week with "What Kate Does" vs "What Kate Did".
No, it isn't. Looks like for sure, but information I read told it's not a Kwon-centric episode.
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Post by: Thomas on February 23, 2010, 12:04:43 PM
really?
I've come to think the total opposite
I used to look for special meaning in the titles, but gave up after being disappointed

"LeFleur", ooh, new character.
Nope, nothing special, just Sawyer's alias

"Some Like it Hoth", there was so much conjecture on this board what as to what that could possibly mean. Turns out it was really nothing. Hurley's rewritting Star Wars. Nothing more. Took up about 25 seconds of the episode.

"Namaste", again, so much theorizing, "I bow to you". Who's doing the bowing ? And who are they bowing to ? A new leader ?
Nope. Its the equivalent of "Say Cheese !" when you get your picture taken.

I'm sure you can come up with something clever that the writers have actually done with the titles,  but I'm going to go with the most obvious, lame answer.


"The Substitute" - John is a substitute teacher in his alternate life... boring!!!

Don't forget the double meaning with this one....Jacob is looking for a candidate to be his substitute as well.
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Post by: BobBX542 on February 23, 2010, 03:15:31 PM
I think all of the episode titles are going to have a dual meaning. The only one I'm having a problem with it "LA X". Unless TPTB are straight up telling us that the time line taking place off the island is "Dimension X". Oh god, I hope it's not that easy that I totally over looked it.
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Post by: JBRam on February 26, 2010, 11:03:11 AM
I think all of the episode titles are going to have a dual meaning. The only one I'm having a problem with it "LA X". Unless TPTB are straight up telling us that the time line taking place off the island is "Dimension X". Oh god, I hope it's not that easy that I totally over looked it.
Yeah, that's what our connection was: LA, (Dimension) X
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Post by: LostinLock on March 02, 2010, 07:39:35 AM
I think all of the episode titles are going to have a dual meaning. The only one I'm having a problem with it "LA X". Unless TPTB are straight up telling us that the time line taking place off the island is "Dimension X". Oh god, I hope it's not that easy that I totally over looked it.
Yeah, that's what our connection was: LA, (Dimension) X

Bob soon the answer is upon us.  Maybe something happens at sundown like the vampires come out we have missed those here.
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Post by: BobBX542 on March 02, 2010, 12:01:42 PM
I hope not, I'm starting to get kind of sick of friggin vampires.
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Post by: DirtyMaggieMae on March 02, 2010, 02:28:43 PM
It may not be a Kwon-centric episode if Optimus J is correct, but it does correlate to season one.  Pilot to LA X (plane crashing/ not crashing), Tabula Rasa to What Kate Does (Kate runs to Australia/ Kate returns for Claire), Walkabout to The Substitute (lots of Box Company, Helen, walkabout stuff going on), White Rabbit to Lighthouse (return to the caves, Christian's body revisited).  Next up in the line up would be House of the Rising Sun to Sundown.  House of the Rising Sun is the episode with Micheal and the watch, Sun's english, and her plan to escape at the airport.  It may not be "centric" but I'm hoping they follow the pattern and will at least touch on the Sun and Jin story.  Clearly something major is going to go down at the temple, maybe most of our characters (Claire and Jin included) will end up there.
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Post by: ericd543 on March 02, 2010, 05:06:05 PM
its sundown, nighttime

the temple people have barricaded themselves in and are trying to keep smokey/MIB out, but he will attack at sundown

yes, when day changes to night

I tingle with anticipation.
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Post by: laklost on March 02, 2010, 06:59:12 PM
It may not be a Kwon-centric episode if Optimus J is correct, but it does correlate to season one.  Pilot to LA X (plane crashing/ not crashing), Tabula Rasa to What Kate Does (Kate runs to Australia/ Kate returns for Claire), Walkabout to The Substitute (lots of Box Company, Helen, walkabout stuff going on), White Rabbit to Lighthouse (return to the caves, Christian's body revisited).  Next up in the line up would be House of the Rising Sun to Sundown.  House of the Rising Sun is the episode with Micheal and the watch, Sun's english, and her plan to escape at the airport.  It may not be "centric" but I'm hoping they follow the pattern and will at least touch on the Sun and Jin story.  Clearly something major is going to go down at the temple, maybe most of our characters (Claire and Jin included) will end up there.

Thanks for spelling that out, DMM.  I was too distracted/lazy to think through the Season One corallaries - I think you nailed it.
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Post by: ozman776 on March 02, 2010, 07:56:48 PM
unsure if its a spoiler so ill just post a link considering the eipsodes 2 hours away.... but under "notes" it says the episode is ******* centric

http://www.tv.com/lost/sundown/episode/1299719/summary.html?tag=ep_guide;summary

also list the characters... but unsure if we will see them all... ill keep count and see if this is even a legit sight...
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Post by: ozman776 on March 02, 2010, 10:23:28 PM
guess we can write this site off as anything worth qouting....just a lil outsideeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
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Post by: katbriil on March 02, 2010, 10:37:25 PM
Well there you have it. "What happens at sundown [if we stay]?" "You die."
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Post by: jamesl on March 02, 2010, 10:38:39 PM
its sundown, nighttime

the temple people have barricaded themselves in and are trying to keep smokey/MIB out, but he will attack at sundown


yeah, baby
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Post by: infrared41 on March 02, 2010, 11:49:13 PM
I think all of the episode titles are going to have a dual meaning. The only one I'm having a problem with it "LA X". Unless TPTB are straight up telling us that the time line taking place off the island is "Dimension X". Oh god, I hope it's not that easy that I totally over looked it.
Don't sweat it, it happens all the time around here. And usually it's far worse than that.  :)
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Post by: LouE68 on March 03, 2010, 12:01:14 AM
The old west...get out by sundown or else...you die...
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Post by: DirtyMaggieMae on March 03, 2010, 12:33:04 AM
And what happens after sundown?  DARKNESS takes over!  ...oooOOOoooh!
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Post by: LouE68 on March 03, 2010, 12:36:36 AM
And what happens after sundown?  DARKNESS takes over!  ...oooOOOoooh!
and the metaphors continue LOL
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Post by: Bostonlost on March 03, 2010, 12:42:51 AM
The old west...get out by sundown or else...you die...

Or like Old Testament stories of God warning people to leave a city or die
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Post by: CaseyMac on March 03, 2010, 04:23:24 AM
its sundown, nighttime

the temple people have barricaded themselves in and are trying to keep smokey/MIB out, but he will attack at sundown


Great call!
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Post by: DirtyMaggieMae on March 03, 2010, 02:45:36 PM
Ok, so this wasn't a Jin/Sun centric episode like I was expecting.  HOWEVER it did parallel "House of the Rising Sun" in a few ways.  Jin was in handcuffs and saved by Michael and in this epi Jin was in a COOLER and saved by SAYID.  :D  It did have the love and marriage thing going for it, Sayid felt that he wasn't good enough for Nadia and Jin felt that (because he was afisherman's son and a doorman) that he wasn't good enough for Sun. 

Whatever.  I just want my theory to line up nicely.  :(

It may be interesting to note that in the season 1 episode John convinces Charlie to putt off the heroin in exchange for his guitar (which is actually in a tree right above them).  In this episode it is FLocke who is making promises for exchanges, though indeed to a much higher degree.
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Post by: DirtyMaggieMae on March 04, 2010, 02:31:27 PM
Ok ok.  So this episode seems to line up more with "Solitary" which is the first Sayid-centric episode.  And you know what?  When Kate comes back into the temple and talks to Miles, he is playing (get this!) solitaire!  OH HO HO!
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Post by: PrincessLeia on March 04, 2010, 03:12:51 PM
You rock! ;D
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Post by: LostinLock on March 04, 2010, 08:51:39 PM
I hope not, I'm starting to get kind of sick of friggin vampires.

off topic for a moment but Twilight ruined the vampires.  I long for the days of other vampiric writers...bringing out the old Anne Rice books where vampires are real ;D
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Post by: BobBX542 on March 05, 2010, 12:11:48 AM
I hope not, I'm starting to get kind of sick of friggin vampires.

off topic for a moment but Twilight ruined the vampires.  I long for the days of other vampiric writers...bringing out the old Anne Rice books where vampires are real ;D

That certainly didn't help the situation any. Check out Christopher Moore's two Vampire books, "Bllod Sucking Fiends" and "You Suck" for a couple of funny Vampire books, and Guillermo Del Toro's "The Strain" for a viscious one.
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Post by: LouE68 on March 05, 2010, 12:16:55 AM
I hope not, I'm starting to get kind of sick of friggin vampires.

off topic for a moment but Twilight ruined the vampires.  I long for the days of other vampiric writers...bringing out the old Anne Rice books where vampires are real ;D

That certainly didn't help the situation any. Check out Christopher Moore's two Vampire books, "Blood Sucking Fiends" and "You Suck" for a couple of funny Vampire books, and Guillermo Del Toro's "The Strain" for a vicious one.
I was going to say Twilight vampires are just kinda emo...where as Anne Rice made them a bit, umm flamboyant...as a rule, zombies and infected rule...vampires and warewolves are passe...
Title: Re: Meaning?
Post by: DirtyMaggieMae on April 01, 2010, 02:54:55 PM
I thought I would throw this in here under "meanings."  I was just rewatching the first part of this epi again to try and get a screen grab of sayid's reflection.  I noticed that he was bringing her yellow roses.  "Yellow roses?"  I pondered aloud.  "What IS the meaning of a yellow rose?" 

Also changed over the years were the meanings related to yellow roses. Throughout history, the color yellow has been closely associated with the sun. As the source of light and warmth, the sun is integral to life on Earth, and has been worshiped in many early societies. It should come as no surprise that the color of the sun would hold many positive connotations. In many Eastern cultures, for example, the color yellow represents joy, wisdom and power. However, in Europe at the time of the introduction of these roses, the color yellow carried much more negative overtones. Consequently, yellow roses were long used as a symbol for jealousy and dying love. As time went on, however, the more universal meanings connected with the color yellow have come to prevail and entwine themselves with the yellow rose. Today yellow roses are more commonly associated with joy and friendship.

I like the idea of the "dying love" part.  Very fitting for Nadia and Sayid.  Especially the DYING PART, ammiright!  hahahahaha!  ...  :-\

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Post by: BobBX542 on April 01, 2010, 03:01:09 PM
I thought I would throw this in here under "meanings."  I was just rewatching the first part of this epi again to try and get a screen grab of sayid's reflection.  I noticed that he was bringing her yellow roses.  "Yellow roses?"  I pondered aloud.  "What IS the meaning of a yellow rose?" 

Also changed over the years were the meanings related to yellow roses. Throughout history, the color yellow has been closely associated with the sun. As the source of light and warmth, the sun is integral to life on Earth, and has been worshiped in many early societies. It should come as no surprise that the color of the sun would hold many positive connotations. In many Eastern cultures, for example, the color yellow represents joy, wisdom and power. However, in Europe at the time of the introduction of these roses, the color yellow carried much more negative overtones. Consequently, yellow roses were long used as a symbol for jealousy and dying love. As time went on, however, the more universal meanings connected with the color yellow have come to prevail and entwine themselves with the yellow rose. Today yellow roses are more commonly associated with joy and friendship.

I like the idea of the "dying love" part.  Very fitting for Nadia and Sayid.  Especially the DYING PART, ammiright!  hahahahaha!  ...  :-\



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