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Episode 2x23 / Re: Magnets... or ELECTRO-Magnets
« on: June 02, 2006, 04:06:35 PM »
According to Wickman/Candle, the electromagnetic force of the island is natural (that's what I got from the orientation video anyway).

From ORIENTATION: "Station 3 was originally constructed as a laboratory where scientists could work to understand the unique electromagnetic fluctuations emanating from this sector of the island."

From Episode 2-23/24: "INMAN: Electromagnetism, geologically unique. The incident -- there was a leak. So now the charge builds up and every time we push the button it discharges it before it gets too big. "

From Episode 2-4: "SAYID: My best guess? There's geothermal generator behind this wall. That's the power source. Careful with these pipes, they're very hot"

I think that the power and emf are generated by the island naturally based upon these statements.

Episode 2x21 / Pala Ferry
« on: June 02, 2006, 01:28:34 PM »
Pardon me if this has been addressed before, but didn't Wickman/Candle tell the Pearl station workers that after their 8 hour shift they were to go to the Pala Ferry for transport back to the Barracks????? :o

Theories & Speculation / Re: Possible Lost explanation?
« on: June 02, 2006, 12:08:24 PM »
to beth-star:  pretty good theory about virt. reality.  can i take it a step further and get specific?  i think your right, but there might be a theme to the virtual reality.  the writers have already debunked the idea of the island being purgatory, or the people being in purgatory, but....perhaps its not literally purgatory!  perhaps (like your virtual reality concept) the island's perfectly set-up conditions and well-planned experiments are set up in such a way as to mock the purgatory experience.  a kind of immediate karma....not waiting until natural death (when purgatory is assumed to occur on its own...if you believe).  i think this because ive read 2/3rds of the books found in the hatch and in sawyer's book club.  one of the most dominating concepts throughout all the books is death/life...and even more specific; purgatory.  also, if you wanted to get absolutely crazy....lets just say no one actually would have survived that crash....perhaps they didnt.  perhaps it was a controlled landing/crash and using the hanso life-extension technology....bring certain people back to life to be part of your purgatory experiment...after all in a purg. exper. wouldn't it only be fitting to have the people actually die...then bring them back....for this would keep true to the actual experience of purgatory. death then purgatory.  it would still be considered a virt. reality experiment.  just some crazy brainstorming. sorry.  also, sorry if this makes no sense to you!

Good theory Beth. I also have read many of the books in Lost (currently reading Our Mutual Friend by Dickens). One of the other themes that seems to tie many of these books together is "Redemption". Basically the idea of being in similar (or the same) situations and making a different choice. Good Karma cancels Bad Karma, Second Chances, etc. Seems to me that many of the Losties have had opportunities to do the right thing, but have reverted to their old selves and done the same thing that they would have done prior to landing on the island. Don't know if this is a statement about human nature by the writers, a part of the plot, or just a coinkeydink. Anyway just something that I picked up on..... some of the books are good BTW. I particularly enjoyed the Third Policeman.

Community Lounge / Re: My other obsession...
« on: June 02, 2006, 11:55:54 AM »
Remember.... the cure is worse than the desease!!

Oooo. Francis Bacon. Fits in with Locke, Hume, et al.  :D

Episode 2x23 / Re: Why no black lights in fake lock downs
« on: June 02, 2006, 08:56:11 AM »
Hmmmm. I just watched episode 2-23 again. I noted this exchange:

INMAN: Are you HIM?


INMAN: What did one snowman say to the other?

DESMOND: What are you talking about? Who are you?

Is this the generic "him" or THE HIM that Kelvin is referring to???? Puzzling.  :-\

Welcome, skunj...

Nope, definitely not coincidental.  I'm quite certain they are trying to reference the philosopher Hume, to make a statement about his philosophy of causality in life. 

Don't forget that in addition to Locke, there are also Rousseau (The Noble Savage) and Boone Carlyle (David Boone, folk hero + Thomas Carlyle, author of On Heroes & Hero Worship, book on fundamental flaws of heroes = oxymoron, emphasizing the tragic death of a hero due to hubris).

Interesting. I never made the Boone Carlyle connection. Brillliant!

There's a salon article attempting to describe each character and their significance. Don't know if any of you all have seen it yet;

Community Lounge / Re: My other obsession...
« on: June 01, 2006, 08:52:25 AM »
I guess I'm obsessed with reading.

That and my two kids  ;)


I was in the Navy for six years,

marines for 5 yrs

what was your MOS?? i was a 6060, rigger, not sure what that was for a sailor, was out on the USS Kearsarge back in 99 for 7 months

I was a Submarine Sonar Technician (STS). Served on Ballistic Missile subs for 4 years and 8 months.

Theories & Speculation / Re: Here's my 2 cents
« on: May 31, 2006, 03:41:58 AM »
Someone has to continue to press the button, eh?

Episode 2x23 / Re: Why no black lights in fake lock downs
« on: May 31, 2006, 03:41:00 AM »
That's my point. The black light only shows during lockdown, not countdown.

Hey. I've been posting but have not introduced myself. Sorry dudes.

I was in the Navy for six years, went to college for 10 years. I have a BS in Biochemistry and a PhD in Neuroscience. I don't watch much TV (I don't have cable either). I prefer reading books to watching TV.

I did not even watch the first season of lost. I began to watch the second season because Criminal Minds was boring. I was switching channels during a commercial and saw Locke trapped under the door. Fenry was supposed to press the button. I got so caught up in this that I never switched back to Criminal Minds. I have been watching Lost ever since. I recently got the first season on DVD and was wondering why I have not watched this from the beginning. This is the best show since X-Files!

Episode 2x23 / Re: Why no black lights in fake lock downs
« on: May 31, 2006, 03:22:25 AM »
I was always under the impression that lockdown was different from the countdown expiring...... Is that not so?

Theories & Speculation / Re: Here's my 2 cents
« on: May 31, 2006, 03:19:26 AM »
so Kelvin fakes his death then sails off in Desmonds boat makes it to freedom
then sets it on auto pilot ( being a sail boat i am unsure how this would be done )  so desmond can use it to get off the island sometime later

hmmmmmm seems a little thin to me

But I could be wrong  I have been many times before  ;D

Why does Kelvin have to take Desmond's boat? There are numerous other possibilities:

1. He's found by the others and they take both kelvin and the boat.
2. The dharma folks were in on it all the time and kelvin was let go and returned to the world without desmond knowing and without using the sailboat.
3. The sailboat was operational all the time and Widmore picked up kelvin, who was in on the whole thing because he needed a "replacement"
4. Kelvin joined the "hostiles"
5. Kelvin is still wandering around monitoring the Swan Station from the Pearl, and other places?

yadda, yadda, yadda.....

The idea that just because Kelvin said he wanted to take the boat and book, that he really wants to do that. I don't buy it. He's a spook! His whole career is about subterfuge, misinformation, etc. He is NOT going to tell Desmond the truth.

Episode 2x23 / Re: Why no black lights in fake lock downs
« on: May 31, 2006, 03:11:42 AM »
The panel used to create the fake lockdown was in the lockdown area methinks. However, Fenry could easily have hot-wired the black light from the computer room if he was familiar with the swan station.

What I think is that it may have been a NORMAL part of lockdown procedure. Lockdown occurs, after a few minutes, teh UV light sterilizes everything. Viola! Lockdown over n'est-ce pas?

Theories & Speculation / Re: Here's my 2 cents
« on: May 31, 2006, 02:54:04 AM »
Now forward fast to the time when Kelvin found Desmond (three years ago) since Desmond reports he had been in the Swan Station for three years pushing the button.  He knows very little about the origin of the Orientation video but Kelvin does.  Kelvin states (in the season finale) he actually worked for the Dharma Initiative after leaving the military.  Kelvin most likely knows about the old, currently unused Pearl Station and has gone there often to watch Desmond in the Swan Station, seeing if he is willing to keep pushing the button, Kelvin begins to plan his getaway by fixing up Desmondís boat, but perhaps gets to feeling bad about leaving Desmond behind and sets up a roost to have himself followed and offers Desmond the getaway plan also.  But to his surprise ends up dead.  He must be dead as we later learn that Desmond runs from the hatch with his new replacement Locke inside, runs to his boat and sails away.  If Kelvin was not dead he surely would have finished his work on the sailboat and taken off or at least went back to the hatch seeking help. 

Here's my Kelvine Timeline. If you go to I would say that the Kelvin/Sayid flashback was about 91, 92 or so. Desmond probly hit the rock around 2001. So Kelvin was there anywhere from 2-10 years when Desbo arrived. I think Kelvin may have been brought in after a SECOND incident. WHY would you need a former spook to press a button every 108 minutes. He KNOWS or KNEW about Dharma.

I think that he signed on without really knowing what he was getting into. He "conditioned" Desmond as BF Skinner would condition a lab animal. When it was time to go, he faked his death and moved on, leaving Desmond behind to press the button. Now what evidence do I have for this? One, Kelvin made a big deal about only having 108 minutes to bury Radszinsky, whereas Desmond never mentions burying Kelvin and probably did not. Two, no evidence of Kelvin's body anywhere. Three, Kelvin was a career spook (intelligence gathering spy). NO WAY Desmond lays him out and kills him like that! ?It had to be planned.

Bring it on.

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