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Theories & Speculation / Innocence Lost?
« on: May 03, 2007, 07:20:42 PM »
Okay so I haven't theorized in a while. Time to do that.

Locke has such a strong connection with the Island because he is INNOCENT. His biggest fault is his anger, but even that could not make him kill his father. The island's gifts/powers are reserved for those who are truly innocent and unblemished. Ben's manipulations have tarnished him, and thus he no longer receives the island's blessings. He developed cancer because he somehow lost his innocence, thus the island no longer would heal him as it had all of his life. Locke on the other hand has always been a Good person and remained innocent even though he was betrayed on many occasions. Ben's attempt at making Locke kill his father was so that Locke would lose his innocence and the island would no longer hold him in its favor. Ben is jealous. Since Locke did not do it, he is still special/innocent in the eyes of the island.

The children are innocent also. Thus the Other's fascination with them. They display abilities that the adults cannot because of this innocence. Hence Walt being "a very special boy".

Although unborn children are the most innocent, their mothers are not. It is because of the sins of the mothers that fetuses cannot be carried to term on the island. IF the mother is innocent, then she may reproduce. Since sun has been manipulative in her past and has committed adultery, she MAY not be able to carry her baby to term. However, she has not killed anyone (as far as we know) and thus may still be considered to be innocent. So her baby may be carried to term....

The civilization that originally occupied the island degenerated (as all societies do) and ended up being in the position of not being able to reproduce because of their sins. They died off because of their inability to reproduce.

Smoky is all that is left of this civilization (besides some ruins). Smoky protects the island and ensures that only those that are worthy may continue to live on it. Thus Eko died due to his lack of repentance whereas Locke has thrived due to his innocence.

The Others have some idea that this is occurring. Maybe this was one of the things being studied by the Dharma Initiative??? That is why they only kidnap the Good ones... the innocent. They will receive the benefits that the island can bestow. Those who are not innocent (or at least repentant for past sins) are deemed to be an infection that must be eradicated. In the beginning, some of the others who were not so pure were taken by Smoky and thus the necessity of building the sonic fence to protect them. Ben has moved the others away from studying the nature of the island (as described here) and become obsessed with procreating on the island. And that is where we stand now.

Fire away  ;D

General Spoiler Talk / Anyone see this yet?
« on: February 08, 2007, 03:43:01 PM »

Community Lounge / An interesting read
« on: December 06, 2006, 03:53:44 PM »
I did not see this posted anywhere, but if it is a repeat my apologies  ;D

Anyway I thought it was an interesting read and maybe you will too:

LOST Talk / The next philosophical link in Lost?
« on: September 13, 2006, 03:16:15 PM »
Well so far we have Rousseau, Hume, Locke, so it is only a matter of time before he appears....

 ::) ::) ;D

Websites / A good music site.
« on: August 06, 2006, 01:49:46 PM »
Good music site.  ;D

LOST References (Books, Movies and Music) / Lost Horizon by James Hilton
« on: August 03, 2006, 06:32:52 PM »
This is an incredible book and I highly recommend it to anyone who is a fan of lost!

In a nutshell it's about a disillusioned British Officer (Conway) whose plane is hijacked by a mysterious Tibetan as he and three others are trying to escape to China from an Indian rebellion. The plane crashes in the Himilayas several thousand miles off course (sound familiar?). The Tibetan hijacker dies in the crash, but all of the passengers survive. They are soon greeted by a strange Chinese man who speaks perfect English (Chang) and his livery bearers. They are brought to the Lamasery (Tibetan monestary) that is called "Shangri-La". There they discover that the natives live a fairly idyllic existence predecated on "moderation". After some time Conway is summoned by the Head Lama and everything is explained to him. I won't give anything away after this, but we have the following common elements with Lost:

1) People "hijacked" or brought to a place against their will.
2) A utopian society hidden from the rest of the world (there is only one mountain pass to enter/exit 
    Shangri-La and it is well hidden).
3) A group of strangers (French, German, Chinese, etc.) living in this foreign hidden land (Others?)
4) A mysterious, ancient, and wise Leader of these people (HIM?)
5) Life-Extension (one of the Hanso projects)
6) The main character is a disillusioned war veteran (Sayiid), one is a christian missionary (Eko?), one
    one is a swindler running from the law (Sawyer or Kate?), the last is a young British Officer who
    wants nothing more than to get home and away from Shangri-La as quickly as possible
7) Only one way in or out (compass bearing of 325?) with the exception of air travel, which was fairly primitive
    in 1933 when the book was written and supplies are brought in from the outside world, as are people.


"The novel opens in a gentleman's club in Berlin where four Englishmen have met for the evening. Talk turns to a plane hi-jacking which had occured in Baskul, India the previous year. When the men realize they all knew one of the kidnap victims, Hugh Conway, the conversation briefly touches on his probable fate. After the group breaks up, one of their number, the author Rutherford, confides to another that he has seen Conway since the kidnapping and goes on to provide a manuscript accounting for Conway's experiences.

Conway is among four kidnap victims, the others being Mallinson, his young assistant who is anxious to get back to civilization, Barnard, a brash American, and Miss Brinklow, an evangelist. Conway himself rounds out the group as an established diplomat and stoic. When the plane crashes in the Kuen-Lun Mountains, the quartet is rescued and taken to the hidden lamasery of Shangri-La.

Hilton is stingy in letting out the secret of Shangri-La, which helps build the tension in this novel. Mallinson's attitude towards Shangri-La makes his actions somewhat targeted, while the rest of the group, while not as flamboyant, also telegraph their eventual course of action.

Lost Horizon is not, of course, an adventure novel. It is more cerebral than that. The monks at Shangri-La believe in a philosophy which is a mix of Christianity as brought to the valley by the eighteenth century French priest Perrault (also the name of the French fabulist who compiled fairy tales such as "Sleeping Beauty") and the Buddhism which existed before Perrault's arrival. The motto of these monks could best be summed up as "Everything in moderation, even moderation."

The valley of Shangri-la is a peaceful place, taking from the world around it, but remaining aloof from all the negative actions of that world. Although idyllic, it is not the paradise of the Bible, nor of any Western philosophy, invoking instead much that is Eastern. The dichotomy between the world outside the valley and the society which Hilton envisioned is brought into even starker contrast by today's knowledge that a war much worse than the one Conway fought in, would engulf many regions of the world less than a decade after Hilton wrote the book. Hilton foresaw another great war and mentions it as a vague prophecy in the book.

One very telling moment comes when Miss Brinklow decides to attempt to understand the religious beliefs of the valley's residents. Chang, the lama-in-training assigned to be their tour guide, explains that the lamas "devote themselves. . . to contemplation and to the pursuit of wisdom." "But that isn't doing anything," Brinklow complains, expressing a Western viewpoint. Chang calmly agrees, "Then, madam, they do nothing." Chang does not attempt to argue with Brinklow nor sway her to his point of view in any way. When she announces her intention of converting the monastery's followers, the lama's neither stand in her way nor help, they merely allow her to do as she will.

Lost Horizon is the type of book written to make the reader think. Even at the very end, when everything seems to be settled, Hilton throws the reader a curve ball, causing them to wonder whether Conway's memories of Shangri-La are real or merely the result of shock and exposure. And, if they are real, does the secret guarded in Shangri-La really exist or was it merely a fairy tale like those told by a different Perrault?"

Theories & Speculation / Bernard is HIM!
« on: June 26, 2006, 11:38:24 PM »
This is something that I have been tossing about for a while.

Bernard was first discovered by Ana Lucia in a tree attached to an airline seat. He was discovered by one of the "Others", who then told Ana Lucia. The person next to him in the airline seat was dead,.... so why wasn't Bernard?

Rose didn't seem to be all broke up about Bernard's absence. As a matter of fact, she made a point of saying that she could "feel him still alive" or something like that.

Despite not having done anything bad, he is one of the tailies that escaped capture. Ana Lucia and Eko are murderers. We have very little on Libby, etc. Bernard is an enigma so far.

Rose did not seem all that enamored with the hatch. She basically spent a couple of days of melancholy mourning and then went about her business. When Hurley pointed out the Hatch and its washer/dryer, she still used the clothesline.

Bernard is HIM!!!!

Okay, blast awa7  ;D

LOST Talk / Lost Humor
« on: June 23, 2006, 08:53:04 PM »

Community Lounge / Real or What?
« on: June 21, 2006, 11:35:51 AM »

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