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Episode 6x16 / Re: Unanswered Questions
« on: May 25, 2010, 01:39:02 PM »
Unanswered Lost Questions from the people at College Humor, LOL.

Episode 6x16 / Re: Did Locke have to die?
« on: May 25, 2010, 01:11:08 PM »
Actually, MIB could've killed Jack when he knocked him out.  But he left him and tried to leave, and it wasn't until Jack tracked him down and MIB knew he wasn't going to get to leave without a fight that the knife came out.

Exactly, MIB had nothing to gain by killing Jack at this point nor did he really want to, he just wanted to get off the Island. The only reason MIB was fighting with Jack was because Jack bought into Jacob's thing about not letting MIB leave, and this originally came from his fake mother before MIB became smokie.

MIB's motivation was never to kill people for the hell of it, he didn't even want more people to get trapped on the Island like him. Remember the scene when Jacob & MIB was sitting on a beach watching the Black Rock sail in...Jacob brought the Black Rock to the island simply to prove MIB's wrong. How many people on that ship died as a result of this just to be used to prove MIB wrong? MIB didn't seem to want them on the Island, I suspect because he doesn't want more people trapped on the island like himself. MIB was definitely smokie by this point, and wanted to kill wouldn't he welcome the Black Rock people he could use to kill Jacob for him & possibly help him get off the island? Nope, seems like MIB was pissed at Jacob bringing people to the Island and then decided to use this opportunity to try to get Richard to kill Jacob. Now thinking about it, I think MIB only killed the officers on the ship when they started killing the prisoners. Then after days watching Richard suffer couldn't take it any more and saved him. Of course he'd be pissed that Jacob caused all this, so concocted the plan of getting Richard to kill Jacob for him.

And how many others were brought to the Island and died because Jacob wanted to prove MIB wrong and/or to be a replacement to Jacob? If Jacob needed a replacement, why not promote Richard?! But nope, got to bring down flight 815 and kill a bunch innocent non-candidate people in the process and then eventually as a result. Oh no the candidates got off the island....lets bring them back on the Ajira plane with some more red shirts that will eventually all die. And dead is dead, they died on the Island which is supposed to be "real life", we see a bunch of them in the side universe again....but that doesn't make everything okay as side universe IS death. Just because there's an afterlife now doesn't make getting people killed okay.

The more I think about this, the more I see Jacob as the real "Bad Guy" here. He brings people to the Island just to prove a point to MIB, and as a candidate to replace himself...regardless if other people get killed as a result. Both are unnecessary as proving MIB is wrong results in nothing and Jacob can replace himself with Richard or an Other (Also why doesn't Jacob just get Richard to bring his candidates to the Island via the sub like Others recruits thereby avoiding the unnecessary red shirt deaths?!?). So Jacob's job is to protect the Island from men who might meddle with the cork thereby extinguishing the light. Well, it doesn't seem like Jacob's doing a good job of protecting when he unnecessarily brings unintentional people to the Island (Red Shirts) and lets them wander around. Doesn't this increase the risk of somebody uncorking the island by accident?! If you add up all the people who died indirectly by Jacob's unnecessary actions, and all who the MIB killed directly to get off the island....doesn't Jacob win the kill count?

When Jack replaced the cork and the light returned, the world was once more safe.  However, if Locke was not killed before the cork was replaced, then Smokey's power would have been returned to him and the danger/battle would resume (and no 'end').

So taking the cork off makes the light go out everywhere, which the fake mother says to MIB & Jacob that it's bad. Short term, this doesn't seem to affect anything other than wrecking the island and removing the smokie power from the MIB. We see that putting the cork back on restores the light and other than that, apparently no lasting ill effects. The only person that can take the cork off is Desmond because he's immune to the effects of electromagnetism. Jacob supposedly gets Whitmore to bring Desmond to the Island as a failsafe against the MIB (Presumably to make MIB lose his smokie powers so he can be stopped from leaving the Island). MIB originally wants to kill Desmond not knowing what he's up to. So it seems like MIB's goal is not to put the light out. Later MIB finds out what's the deal with Desmond, and only then he decides he wants to destroy the Island so he can get off the Island and not because he wants to put the light out. But MIB knows supposedly if the light gets turned off, it will turn it off everywhere. If that's bad, then even if MIB got off the Island wouldn't that be bad for him too? I think this could only mean either MIB expects somebody to put the cork back on after he escapes but before something bad permanently happens, or nothing really that bad actually happens. I doubt MIB would want to leave the Island only to have either the world destroyed or all humanity killed. If either of that happened, what's the point of MIB leaving because either there's nowhere left to goto or he can't be with "his" people as they're all dead.

It seems to me that it's only Jacob that doesn't want the MIB to leave. Not because MIB will make the world worse, but because his mother didn't want him to leave and/or Jacob doesn't want MIB to leave too. Additionally Jacob would risk taking the cork off (which is really bad in his and fake mother's opinion) all to stop MIB leaving. That sounds really reckless of Jacob if his job is to protect the Island and to ensure the light doesn't go out. I don't remember preventing MIB from leaving part of his job description as Island Guardian, it was more something his fake mother wanted.

Whoa, I really went off on a rant here, LOL. I guess I'm just upset none of this was touch upon in the Finale.

Summary: Jacob bad, MIB not so bad.

Episode 6x16 / Re: Vincent's purpose
« on: May 25, 2010, 07:04:03 AM »
Why wasn't Vincent at the church in the Alt?

Episode 6x16 / Unanswered Questions
« on: May 24, 2010, 07:32:26 AM »
So what are your remaining unanswered questions? Post them up.

Some of mine are:
What's the Box that Ben talks about where anything you can imagine is inside?
Why weren't the Others able to have children?
Why did the Others dress up with beards and tattered clothes?
What's with that Dharma medicine injections Desmond was taking, and was given to pregnant Claire?

Episode 6x16 / Re: I cried
« on: May 24, 2010, 07:14:35 AM »
Uh...."I got something in my eye" a bunch of times.

Episode 6x16 / Re: Not Happy......
« on: May 24, 2010, 07:09:29 AM »
I wouldn't say I'm not happy, but I would say I want more.

I liked how it wasn't an ambiguous ending, they say what it is and stuck to it, so I can't dislike that. I find ambiguous endings cheap and really unsatisfying. While enjoying the finale throughout...there wasn't quite enough for me to feel like I got full closure in the story. There was closure, but I feel like I need more. I feel like there should be another 3 episode or something to tie up everything else and to give me a little more closure to feel completely satisfied.

Episode 6x16 / Re: Best LOST Memory
« on: May 24, 2010, 06:59:55 AM »
For me it's the Season 2 intro with the introduction of Desmond in the Hatch with the Button.

Episode 6x16 / Re: Did Locke have to die?
« on: May 24, 2010, 06:52:46 AM »
But the light was LIFE. With it out, everything dies. So either ending dooms the world. Let Locke go and he spreads evil. Leave the light out and nothing but death. What Jack did was the only positive outcome.

I was never fully convinced the Man in Black was totally evil. From his back story it seems his whole motivation is he just wants to be with "his" own people. Of course later he finds his own people are "bad" as his fake mother says....but he just wants to get off the island. I don't think I've ever sensed any motivation from the Man in Black to want to spread evil. That leads me to conclude either others saying he want to "spread evil" is false, the Man in Black never personally revealed his true intention to spread evil, or the Man in Black spreads evil unintentionally based on what he is now (smokie), but no indication of that either.

Don't get me wrong, the Man in Black is definitely doing some bad/evil things to get what he wants, to get off the island. But he doesn't seem to be wanting to spread evil. He didn't seem to be the one corrupting "his" people (the ones his fake mother kills), and he's actually sadden by their deaths...even though he views them as "bad".

Episode 6x16 / Re: Thank you Sledge!
« on: May 24, 2010, 06:33:34 AM »
Thanks Sledge and everybody else on this forum!

Episode 6x06 / Re: Ben's Job or Church of Latter Day Saints Speech
« on: March 11, 2010, 07:58:31 AM »
I was thinking about why Ben and his dad have a good relationship.  Good relationship maybe=his dad was never an alcoholic maybe= Ben's Mom didn't die in childbirth?  Any thoughts as to how that could be?

I was thinking it was either because the purge never happened (Ben killing his dad changed him into the Ben we know), or Sayid never shot Ben as a Sayid never time traveled back in time to shoot Ben in the side-timeline. The others saving Kid Ben changed Ben forever. I was thinking since Ben & Roger did go to the Island with Dharma all that other stuff happened the same.

Episode 6x05 / Re: Miles
« on: March 04, 2010, 03:57:02 AM »
I hope not, I actually really like Miles. I identify with him the most....even though he doesn't do much lately. LOL, he just needs to get his gun back from Jack, he was more aggressive and take-charge kind of guy with it back then. =)

Episode 6x05 / Dogen's Indestructible Bowl
« on: March 04, 2010, 03:47:09 AM »
This is more funny than anything important, but did you notice when Dogen & Sayid were fighting in the beginning the first bowl Sayid threw at Dogen bounced off one pillar then chipped a huge gouge in the side of another pillar and still did not break! LOL! Check it out, it cause a huge chip on the pillar.

Is this is a clue?! What does Dogen use that bowl for? Eating his cereal?! =D

Episode 6x05 / Re: Dogan's story
« on: March 04, 2010, 03:38:09 AM »
I have this theory that the Others got manipulated into following Jacob when they really should be following MIB. It would explain why MIB was "very disappointed" in all of them. Maybe MIB initially recruited Dogen, but Jacob got him to go traitor (maybe MIB lied and his son wasn't really saved or something). Maybe that's why MIB couldn't go in when Dogen was alive, being an agent of MIB maybe meant Dogen can kill MIB (ala Ben with Jacob). Maybe that's why Dogen sent Sayid to stab MIB, believing Sayid being an agent of MIB can kill MIB.

But then again, I can't see why MIB would force Dogen to stay away from his kid....after all MIB wants to go home too. So putting Dogen in that position wouldn't make sense. It actually makes more sense of Jacob doing that to Dogen, as Jacob seems to believe in the sacrifice for duty thing.

Episode 6x05 / Re: Are we being misled?
« on: March 04, 2010, 03:24:06 AM »
Yeah I suspected Jacob of possibly being the "bad" guy from the start because he just was so smug talking to MIB on the beach. Then later when confront by Ben who spent his entire life working for Jacob, Jacob treats Ben like crap. And it's obvious by now Jacob is a really harsh manipulator, even though he acts all gentle and benevolent. If Jacob was the one who recruited Dogen, that was a crappy deal he gave Dogen. Also since Jacob can seem to foresee what's going to happen, you would figure he foresaw Dogen's death at Sayid's hands. So Jacob didn't bother to try to save Dogen or even tell him about it.

MIB on the other hand, he seems to give people choices (maybe sometimes not very good ones, "leave or die"). He seems to generally tell people what's going on rather than keeping them in the dark, and he seems to do what he says he'll do. I'm not saying he's super "good", he's done his share of killing and manipulating. But I think I rather side with MIB than Jacob from what I know so far.

I don't think Jacob & MIB represent "good" & "evil".....they do have the colors of white & black associated with each of them. But isn't it kind of like playing Chess? Each side's pieces are black or white, but I never really saw them as the good side or the evil side.

Episode 6x05 / Re: MIB is the winner
« on: March 03, 2010, 12:59:21 PM »
The only part with Jacob coming to see everyone is that he came to see Hurley after they got back from the island. Everyone else was visited prior to the crash. Very mind boggling

Didn't Jacob see Sayid after the crash too? When Nadia got ran over by the car? He asked Sayid for directions.

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