The cabin was "Esau's" not Jacob's.... ya think?

[BadRobot64]

ok talk about misdirection... the more i rewatch the season the more i think that Jacob's cabin really wasnt his... it was The man in Blacks.... think about the first time we see a man in the empty chair the first time we enter the cabin... the silouette does seem to look alot like the man in black, and the voice "help me" could be the man in blacks voice.. very deep. then when Hurley finds it... he sees the eye in the window... could very well be the man in black's... ok there was one scene when Ben and Sun in the present time 2007 when Ben "summons" smokie... they go outside and Locke is nowhere to be found til he emerges from the tree line saying he had to take care of something... you think The Locke- alike ( The man in black) went and HE was the one to disrupt the ash, and release The REAL Man in black we see talkign to jacob? also the cloth that Ilanna and Bruno find shows, with a knife stuck in it, that the Locke-alike is on the way to the 4 toed foot to kill Jacob ... because he is now free to?

[LostinLock]

BR I have been saying the same thing.  Help me.... like a genie in a bottle he needed to be released!   

[BadRobot64]

ya there has been talk about how the black/ white symbolistic nature of Jacob/ The man in black is a misdirection. that Jacob is really the antagonist and The MIB is really the "good" side. the more i rewatch.. the more i see this... LOST has been known to misdirect... maybe this is the biggest one yet...

[LostinLock]

I have been saying that since the season finale.  He had Nadia killed so I saw him as bad right there, not a good person.  Duplicitous perhaps?
He could have locked up MN2 because he wanted to kill him.  I am glad you see this.

Okay good thoughts keep watching

[BadRobot64]

I have been saying that since the season finale.  He had Nadia killed so I saw him as bad right there, not a good person.  Duplicitous perhaps?
He could have locked up MN2 because he wanted to kill him.  I am glad you see this.

Okay good thoughts keep watching

Exactly we are to make judgements on characters from what we see them do on the show... we have seen Jacob have a hand in killing people... aka Nadia... but we havent seen MN2 kill anyone... if he really did possess Locke we see him get Ben to kill Jacob then thats a kill on his column but we havnet seen him do anything bad...

to further this theory ... Charels Widmore is a perfect example. we first see and hear about him through Ben narrating that Charels is " a very bad man". then through his actions... with Locke and other times... we see him doing good.

[LostinLock]

I have been saying that since the season finale.  He had Nadia killed so I saw him as bad right there, not a good person.  Duplicitous perhaps?
He could have locked up MN2 because he wanted to kill him.  I am glad you see this.

Okay good thoughts keep watching

Exactly we are to make judgements on characters from what we see them do on the show... we have seen Jacob have a hand in killing people... aka Nadia... but we havent seen MN2 kill anyone... if he really did possess Locke we see him get Ben to kill Jacob then thats a kill on his column but we havnet seen him do anything bad...

to further this theory ... Charels Widmore is a perfect example. we first see and hear about him through Ben narrating that Charels is " a very bad man". then through his actions... with Locke and other times... we see him doing good.

Ah where is Rebel he would like to see this post as Charles is, in his mind, a good person!  I think Widmore, as presented is a shrewd business man and his vendetta with Ben was the fact that Ben, which we have not seen manipulated the power from Charles.  But we forget in 1977 Eloise Hawkings was the leader, but they showed us during that time that Charles was exiled.  This is frustrating for me cause they "jacked" with the time line or series of events.  Rather annoying cause at one point when and how Ben gets control, gets rid of Charles and there goes the fight.

With Eloise we see her banter with Charles about their children and how she has given up Daniel and Charles is concerned about Penny's welfare.  But other than that there was nothing written where they have issues with each other, or exhibited issues, like you louse you got me pregnant and left me in charge....blah blah blah.  It comes over as this was their destiny and as a result of the destiny well, they live with the choices.

I think Penny is not to be involved because she is not of the island or the issues of the island.

So we know that Eloise knows Ben is a manipulator and liar.

I digressed but yes, what we have been given to look at is very "black and white".  I don't think MN2 is bad just cause he wants to kill Jacob, cause Jacob appears to be an instigator as mentioned and annoys MN2 with his superior attitude.  Just like it might other folks in real life.    Or cavalier attitude might fit better.

[BadRobot64]

I have been saying that since the season finale.  He had Nadia killed so I saw him as bad right there, not a good person.  Duplicitous perhaps?
He could have locked up MN2 because he wanted to kill him.  I am glad you see this.

Okay good thoughts keep watching

Exactly we are to make judgements on characters from what we see them do on the show... we have seen Jacob have a hand in killing people... aka Nadia... but we havent seen MN2 kill anyone... if he really did possess Locke we see him get Ben to kill Jacob then thats a kill on his column but we havnet seen him do anything bad...

to further this theory ... Charels Widmore is a perfect example. we first see and hear about him through Ben narrating that Charels is " a very bad man". then through his actions... with Locke and other times... we see him doing good.

Ah where is Rebel he would like to see this post as Charles is, in his mind, a good person!  I think Widmore, as presented is a shrewd business man and his vendetta with Ben was the fact that Ben, which we have not seen manipulated the power from Charles.  But we forget in 1977 Eloise Hawkings was the leader, but they showed us during that time that Charles was exiled.  This is frustrating for me cause they "jacked" with the time line or series of events.  Rather annoying cause at one point when and how Ben gets control, gets rid of Charles and there goes the fight.

With Eloise we see her banter with Charles about their children and how she has given up Daniel and Charles is concerned about Penny's welfare.  But other than that there was nothing written where they have issues with each other, or exhibited issues, like you louse you got me pregnant and left me in charge....blah blah blah.  It comes over as this was their destiny and as a result of the destiny well, they live with the choices.

I think Penny is not to be involved because she is not of the island or the issues of the island.

So we know that Eloise knows Ben is a manipulator and liar.

I digressed but yes, what we have been given to look at is very "black and white".  I don't think MN2 is bad just cause he wants to kill Jacob, cause Jacob appears to be an instigator as mentioned and annoys MN2 with his superior attitude.  Just like it might other folks in real life.    Or cavalier attitude might fit better.

I see what you mean... especially about how the black and white doesnt necisarily mena good/ evil. we are meant to assume so, but assuming things have more often than not led us astray when it comes to figureing out LOST.

[LostinLock]

I don't want to wish the months away, I enjoy summer way to much, but I am seriously wanting the show to resume.  I am holding steadfast and making sure that my expectations are not overwhelming if you now what I mean.

I want to be surprised and to another degree I don't want to be right about some of the stuff I have speculated over the years.

hard to believe six years have flown by like this.  Gee at the end we get no more Lost

[BadRobot64]

I don't want to wish the months away, I enjoy summer way to much, but I am seriously wanting the show to resume.  I am holding steadfast and making sure that my expectations are not overwhelming if you now what I mean.

I want to be surprised and to another degree I don't want to be right about some of the stuff I have speculated over the years.

hard to believe six years have flown by like this.  Gee at the end we get no more Lost

ya i think that LOST fans theorize sooo much that we set these high standards and expectations cuz we are all smart and insightful that when it ends we will eb let down a lil... and about it ending very soon all i have to say to that is... " it only ends once... but anythign before that is just progress... " ha ha ha

[LostinLock]

I don't want to wish the months away, I enjoy summer way to much, but I am seriously wanting the show to resume.  I am holding steadfast and making sure that my expectations are not overwhelming if you now what I mean.

I want to be surprised and to another degree I don't want to be right about some of the stuff I have speculated over the years.

hard to believe six years have flown by like this.  Gee at the end we get no more Lost

ya i think that LOST fans theorize sooo much that we set these high standards and expectations cuz we are all smart and insightful that when it ends we will eb let down a lil... and about it ending very soon all i have to say to that is... " it only ends once... but anythign before that is just progress... " ha ha ha

You need a T-shirt that says that.  Seriously you are having a great time with it.  Well, yes I agree there is a tremendous amount of reading into things and theorizing.  I just want to walk away saying dang you got me.  I don't want to walk away swearing going what the heck did you do with my time folks.  Dalrton will have to fear the wrath of Lil, not really but I would think twice of investing this much time in one TV show.  there is a lot more out there.

[E.S.B.]

I don't want to wish the months away, I enjoy summer way to much, but I am seriously wanting the show to resume.  I am holding steadfast and making sure that my expectations are not overwhelming if you now what I mean.

I want to be surprised and to another degree I don't want to be right about some of the stuff I have speculated over the years.

hard to believe six years have flown by like this.  Gee at the end we get no more Lost

ya i think that LOST fans theorize sooo much that we set these high standards and expectations cuz we are all smart and insightful that when it ends we will eb let down a lil... and about it ending very soon all i have to say to that is... " it only ends once... but anythign before that is just progress... " ha ha ha

BR, I'm with you on that quote - it keeps coming to me, I just quoted it in LiL's thread!  I think it sums up what the whole show is about.

And LiL, don't worry, we will not be let down.  I am preparing myself for not having some mysteries answered, but I have come to terms with the fact that some things need to be left to imagination, which is part of what makes this show great.  They will resolve the key stuff, and most importantly they will wrap up the characters' journeys, their redemption, and the science vs. faith/black vs. white struggle.

[BadRobot64]

I don't want to wish the months away, I enjoy summer way to much, but I am seriously wanting the show to resume.  I am holding steadfast and making sure that my expectations are not overwhelming if you now what I mean.

I want to be surprised and to another degree I don't want to be right about some of the stuff I have speculated over the years.

hard to believe six years have flown by like this.  Gee at the end we get no more Lost

ya i think that LOST fans theorize sooo much that we set these high standards and expectations cuz we are all smart and insightful that when it ends we will eb let down a lil... and about it ending very soon all i have to say to that is... " it only ends once... but anythign before that is just progress... " ha ha ha

BR, I'm with you on that quote - it keeps coming to me, I just quoted it in LiL's thread!  I think it sums up what the whole show is about.

And LiL, don't worry, we will not be let down.  I am preparing myself for not having some mysteries answered, but I have come to terms with the fact that some things need to be left to imagination, which is part of what makes this show great.  They will resolve the key stuff, and most importantly they will wrap up the characters' journeys, their redemption, and the science vs. faith/black vs. white struggle.

agreed

[LostinLock]

I don't want to wish the months away, I enjoy summer way to much, but I am seriously wanting the show to resume.  I am holding steadfast and making sure that my expectations are not overwhelming if you now what I mean.

I want to be surprised and to another degree I don't want to be right about some of the stuff I have speculated over the years.

hard to believe six years have flown by like this.  Gee at the end we get no more Lost

ya i think that LOST fans theorize sooo much that we set these high standards and expectations cuz we are all smart and insightful that when it ends we will eb let down a lil... and about it ending very soon all i have to say to that is... " it only ends once... but anythign before that is just progress... " ha ha ha

BR, I'm with you on that quote - it keeps coming to me, I just quoted it in LiL's thread!  I think it sums up what the whole show is about.

And LiL, don't worry, we will not be let down.  I am preparing myself for not having some mysteries answered, but I have come to terms with the fact that some things need to be left to imagination, which is part of what makes this show great.  They will resolve the key stuff, and most importantly they will wrap up the characters' journeys, their redemption, and the science vs. faith/black vs. white struggle.

agreed

Don't fall off your chairs ~ anyone~  I agree.  Wow you guys are helping me out here. 

Yes, I commented how you both are quoting Jacob!  I love it.  Okay got to get this great dinner moving along.

Huggles guys oopps man hug guys

[E.S.B.]

Okay, here's something that's been bugging me about the cabin for a while and I keep forgetting to post about it...

I feel pretty confident that Jacob was not in that cabin, and rather it was the Man in Black.  I mean, Jacob was at the statue, that's where he lives.  Ilana is on Jacob's side and when she went to the cabin, she was acting like the cabin was supposed to be holding someone in there as a captive, presumably the Man in Black, and the idea that he was gone meant it was a threat to Jacob.  That's the idea that I got, at least.

So what bothers me is, why did Ben bring Locke to the cabin?  If Ben and the Others are truly led by Jacob, why would Ben think that Jacob is in the cabin?  And we know that Richard knows where Jacob lives, so you would think that even if Ben had never spoken to Jacob, he would at least say to Richard "hey, I'm thinking of bringing Locke to see Jacob - he lives in that cabin in the woods, right?" rather than potentially bring him to see Jacob's nemesis.  So was Ben somehow tricked here?  Was it an Others communication breakdown?  Or did Ben know that Man in Black was in the cabin and he wanted to test Locke to see if Locke was somehow able to commune with this nemesis, and therefore a threat?  And then, after Locke heard this guy, Ben tries to kill him.

Anyone have thoughts on this?  Sorry for rambling...

[LostinLock]

E.S.B. - great thoughts and I get where you are going.

Well, if they knew Jacob was not in there then they bold faced lied that Jacob was in the cabin.  I mean for the sake of the story they couldn't reveal his true location.  Though I still have strong suspicions that Ben is not all knowing of the Others.


 but I thought that Locke made it clear when they were at the "camp" ground after Ben' surgery that Locke wanted to go to the cabin.  He brought his dead father back so that Ben would take him there.  that is when Ben shot him cause he was upset that Jacob was speaking o him and end of this past season Ben whined that Jacob never reached out to him.

Which is another interesting subject in itself, surprised why not one picked up on that.